Matt Slick Live: September 9, 2024

Opening Announcements and Upcoming Travel

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Hey everybody, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick, and you're listening to Matt Slick Live. If you want, you can give me a call, as usual. All you need to do is dial 877 -207 -2276. I want to hear from you.

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Yeah, we try and get stuff out there like that. So anyway, there you go. We don't have anybody waiting right now, so if you want to call me, the number is 877 -207 -2276. Today's date is September 9th, 2024.

Now in two days, it's 9 -11. What I'll probably end up doing is talking about two major topics. Islam, 9 -11, and Mormonism, because in September 11, 1857, something very significant happened in Mormonism.

It's called the Mountain Meadows Massacre, and I'll talk about that. Unless the calls come in a lot, but I'll be talking about that. Let's see. Let's see. So I got to hear Ed Romine preach yesterday in Provo, Utah.

That was really good. He did a very good job. Hope he's not listening. I don't want him to get a big head, but he did a really good job. He did. And had a nice drive back and enjoyed it. Now this Friday coming up, I will not be on the air live.

I'll be going to California to speak at a conference at Yorba Linda, Calvary Chapel, Yorba Linda. And I'll be speaking, doing a panel discussion Friday night, speaking three times on Saturday, then I get to preach at Norco, Calvary Chapel on Sunday, then fly back Sunday afternoon-ish, evening-ish.

And then, then I'm going to Europe, about three weeks after that. So I'll be gone for three weeks and I guess we'll just do, just run reruns all the time I'm gone. We'll see. We'll see. Also, if you want, you can email me a question or comment, just direct it to info at carm .org, info at carm, C-A-R-M dot O-R-G, and put in the subject line, radio comment or radio question, and we can get to it.

I just released an article today, Do the Properties of Jesus' Two Natures Conflict in the One Person? This was a challenge offered to me by some atheists and I wrote a response to it. It's a little technical, not very much, just a little bit.

And I try and get into properties that are essential and accidental. And I actually mentioned a little thing in quantum physics as an analogy about superpositioning. So as an analogy, now I did that. So if people want to read that, I make it simple, like in quantum superpositioning, a quantum system can exist in different and distinct states simultaneously until measured, then one state collapses and is actualized.

That's what it is when superpositioning occurs. And then I like the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum stuff because it means when there's an observer, then potentiality is actualized. I love that kind of stuff.

Judging Sin and Applying Morality to All of Life

All right, so there you go. Hey, I'm going to get to the calls. Let's get to Matt from North Carolina. Matt, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, how are you doing? I'm doing all right. Hanging in there, man.

What do you got, buddy?

My question was, I'm a conservative Republican and I'm against like abortion. And so I have some Christian friends that tell me things like, well, you shouldn't you shouldn't judge people based on these issues.

And you shouldn't make it a big issue because we we shouldn't judge people based on their sin. And so but I want to take a position where I'm against.

That. So so where do I draw the line on that? You can go to First Corinthians 215. That's a verse that says the spiritual man appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no man. And it's from the Greek word on a crema.

And it deals with the issue of judgment. So if we were to go to other translations, for example, let me get to that and I'll show you what how they render it. But First Corinthians 215 and we'll talk about the logic behind what's going on.

And so spiritual man examines all things. We have different translations saying judges all things that ESV says that King James has judges. So we are allowed to make spiritual judgments. So you ask your friends to say, do we know what makes those kind of judgments to see?

Do you judge whether or not murder is wrong or murder? Yes. Oh, you're making a spiritual judgment, aren't you? You're making a moral judgment because you know that adultery and murder and homosexuality and all this stuff are sinful things and you're judging them as sinful, right?

Yes, you are. Well, then let me ask you, does morality stretch into every area of life? And the answer is yes. And there's a reason. Here's the reason. God is moral and holy in his character. And he's the sovereign king over everything, every part of our lives, not just part.

And because he's the morally superior, holy one, then everything that he is in charge of and sovereign of in the Christian's life has a moral value and a moral relationship. Therefore, politics, child rearing, eating, walking, having pets, everything has a moral value related to it and the obligation that we're to honor God through all of it.

Okay. All right. Thank you. That help. Remember, first Corinthians two fifteen. All right. Okay. Oh, thank you. All right, buddy. God bless. All right. Now let's see. Let's get to Ed from Roanoke, Virginia.

Welcome. You're on the air. Hey, slick, how you doing tonight? I'm going to kick out of people. Call me slick. Doing fine. Hanging in there. Hanging in there. What do you got, buddy? I get my slick fix again tonight.

I'm.

I heard a I heard a radio preacher. Well, a guy I really enjoy listening to. And sometimes he stretches things a little bit. And I'm going, you know, sir, I don't quite think. But it was interesting. He was preaching on Romans 10, 9 and 10.

And he said, this is not a salvation verse because this is written to Christians. And what he was because, you know, a lot of people would say, well, you can't confess with the mouth, Lord Jesus, if you're mute or deaf or something like that.

You know, a lot of people say, what about that? But he was saying, no, this is not a salvation verse because this is written to Christians. And what he was basically saying was that to confess the Lord Jesus meant in your everyday life, you need to confess Christ in to whoever or whatever person you come into.

And if you deny him, thou will confess the Lord. Believe my heart, God will raise thou shall be saved. He was saying that salvation aspect is a daily salvation of God's intervention in your life, answering your prayers because you're willing to confess Christ.

And the application he made was that that Jesus comes to God, the Father, and says, Dad, Matt is asking for this prayer request and he's asking for me to answer it. And God says, no, he's denying you.

He confessed you in his life. So therefore, we're not going to save him today in his problem or answer his prayer today because he's denying you, my son. That was the application he was using on that verse.

What do you think about that? Wow. If he did.

That in seminary and I was a professor judging his sermon, I would give him a C minus or a D and say, we need to talk to say it's not a salvation versus ridiculous. If you confess with your mouth, Jesus says, Lord, believe in your heart.

God raised up the dead. You will be saved. Okay. He's saying it's a different kind of salvation, whatever, but it says for with the heart, a person believes resulting in righteousness in the mouth. He confesses resulting in salvation.

So righteousness and salvation are being spoken of. This is definitely redemptive. Now it's a general principle and you're right. People who are mute, you know, what if you have a tube down your throat, you're on your deathbed and you can't talk?

Well, of course, but so no, this is salvific. It's a terry illogical. So he's, he's, he's not getting it right. Okay. Okay. Cause it gives me, it was speaking at, in terms of.

Who, who, who, uh, the Paul was writing to the Roman church. And well, yeah, it was written.

Up. But here's the problem is that, you know, I, it's called task theology, T a S K. What's the task you're writing to the Roman church? Oh, is it just Christians in the church in Rome? Yeah. Cicero papism is around the emperor worship where the Jews and Gentiles are kind of mixing in here.

So it just for them. No, he's, he's talking to, to both groups simultaneously as he's, as he's working through things. And that's what he's doing. You know, he mentions Moses in Romans five, Romans 10 verse five, I mean, and uh, in righteousness based on faith speaks as follows.

Do not say in your heart who will ascend and you will descend. And you know, the word is near you. And then if you confess, it's your mouth. This is salvific. So no, I would totally disagree with that guy.

Okay. Okay. Well, thank you for my, uh, lick fix. Well, God bless. All right. Same to you, sir. All right, man. God bless. Hey, there we go. Now we've got one other person waiting, but not quite released.

So I can click on them and add him in. But, uh, yeah, there we go right there and do that with this and can't do that. That's weird. So, uh, we got some other stuff trying to get out of my, out of my way on my screen at lots of screens open.

That's interesting. That won't save. So I've got to get rid of that. Don't save. There we go. And, uh, let's get to Jermaine from California. Jermaine, welcome. You're on the air.

Eastern Orthodoxy, Salvation, and False Doctrine

Oh, I'm mad. Yeah. I want to ask about, um, what's so wrong with the Eastern Orthodox church. I've had some friends come out of that, but I've never heard a very good explanation from people who are supposed to know about it.

So I just want to hear what you had to say about it.

They teach a false gospel, a false communion supper, and a false Mary. They have a, and they have a false priesthood. There's four main areas that they and Roman Catholicism are guilty of a false gospel.

And I'll go over why a false Mary, because they basically, they turn her into a functioning goddess, a false priesthood where it's sacerdotal, which means that the priest has the authority of Jesus. And in the true church, they have a, you know, their true church and their authority.

You go through the sacramental system and graces is worked upon you and through you to make you more like God that you can be saved. That's, you know, it's just, it's salvation by works. And, uh, they, they teach, um, the RC Roman Catholicism teaches transubstantiation, and I'm still learning and trying to figure out exactly the view of the Eastern Orthodox, but it, from what I understand, it's basically the same thing.

So, uh, Eastern Orthodoxy denies justification by faith alone in Christ alone. And it adds baptism as a requirement to salvation. It's just one of many things. I can read you some of this stuff from them, but, uh, it's basically, it's a gigantic cult.

Okay. There's like RC Roman Catholics. All right. Yeah. I remember.

There was a big controversy when Hank Canagraph had gone over to the Orthodox church and I know.

It kind of created some shockwaves, but yeah, it did. In fact, uh, they, he was on this network and they quickly and properly got rid of him. And then they asked me to fill in to take a spot. I did. So that's why I'm on this network.

But yeah, Hank Canagraph, uh, went rogue and went over to the Eastern Orthodox church, which I would gladly debate them, you know, uh, but Eastern Orthodoxy, uh, it says this, uh, let me get into some quotes.

Justification is accomplished at baptism. The point where a person is granted forgiveness of sins and placed in a right relationship with God and is maintained through a life of obedience. Well, that's where it's.

Hey, hold on, man. We've got a break. We'll be right back after these messages, folks,.

Please stay tuned right back. Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276. Here's Matt.

Slick. All right. Welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with Jermaine. Hey buddy, you're still there. Yes, I am. All right. So, um, let me continue on. I had to kind of go quickly because the, uh, the break was there.

So this is what it says. Uh, justification is accomplished at baptism. The point where a person is granted forgiveness of sins. Now, whenever anybody teaches that forgiveness of sins occurs at baptism, then they're denying justification by faith.

Because when I talked to them and I asked them, are you justified by faith? They have to say yes, because that's what the Bible says. Then I asked him, are you justified by faith when you have faith? And that's the trick question.

And they stumble. Well, you have to get baptized. You can do, you know, and they really want to justify the false teachings of their church. But this quote goes on and it says, uh, and his plate person is then placed in a relationship with God and is, uh, this right relationship is maintained through a list, but it's going to be through a life of obedience to God and confession of sins.

It is accomplished at baptism. The sacramental instrument by which sins are forgiven and is maintained by confession of sins. So you maintain your salvation before God by what you do, your confession, your obedience, et cetera.

Yet they also say we come to Christ as centers that are justified by faith apart from good works. But once we connect with Christ and enjoy a saving relationship with him, we ought to honor him with good works.

Now that's, that's fine, except they're inconsistent because I just read from a website, Catholic, I mean, uh, Eastern Orthodox website that says you'll be baptized. And then I just read from another one that says you're safe without any works, but this is, that's what the Catholics will say.

They'll do the same thing. No, we're saved by grace through faith, not by, by works. And they, they talk, but they're, they're not being deceptive. They just don't have their brains just aren't, aren't, aren't hitched up to, uh, the taillights, you know, it's just not working right.

Okay. So they, they can, they hold contradictory ideas without thinking through. So for example, this is, uh, in the one, the quote where I said that, uh, you're justified by faith apart from good works, that same website says this, according to St. Paul, not only loving deeds, but also the sacraments of baptism and the Eucharist are decisive to salvation.

So you can't have both ways. So what they'll do is they'll say that the works that you do are not your works. They're God's works in you and through the sacraments and through penance and various ceremonies, but they're God's works.

So you're saved by grace through faith, not by works because they're God's works, but you've got to do them to get saved. That's the deception that they have. They're, they're, they're whacked. Okay. So I can go on more if you want,.

But that's the idea and that's just there. Right. Right. Yeah. It sounds like another form of, uh, Mormonism or any other workspace belief system. Yeah, it is. It's, it's workspace. And, um,.

So get this, I've talked to some pretty knowledgeable EO guys and I asked them questions and I said, let me write down what you're saying is necessary for salvation. And so I said, this is what it is, right?

And I quoted it back to them and they said, yes, correct. And here's one of them. Adam lost the proper relationship with God through his sin. Jesus restored the ruptured relationship through his resurrection.

Therefore, by participating in the energies of God, the energies, that's God's grace working through you, you slowly become divinized. That's from the word divine, divinized, being made more like Jesus ontologically, which means in nature.

And in this process we become justified. So now they're denying justification by faith. And another one says, um, uh, God is working in and through you to do good works, which are perfecting your faith in God.

These same works, purify your faith and that purified faith and brings theosis and Christ likeness by which righteousness is obtained. It is the grace in true faith of orthodoxy that achieves theosis.

It just goes on and on. It's just a load of crud. Okay. That's just on salvation. Yeah. There's a, and all groups where, where your, your righteousness is based on your goodness, even in totality or in part, they all teach you can lose your salvation because it's based in part of them.

Yeah. So there you go. Okay. All right. Well, thanks man. Appreciate you. All right. God bless. All right. So there's, uh, yeah, Eastern Orthodoxy is making converts more and more. That's what I've been hearing all over.

And so, um, what I do and others are doing is exposing the, the false teachings of Eastern Orthodoxy folks, Eastern Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism are not Christian. They are false churches that teach a false gospel, a false Mary, a false priesthood and a false communion supper.

They are false teachers. Those churches are not Christian. If you believe in official Roman Catholic theology and official Eastern Orthodox theology, you're not a Christian, but that doesn't mean there aren't good people in there and Christians in those churches who don't know what is really taught.

This is why I say official doctrines. Okay. Let's see. Next longest waiting is Nadja. Welcome Nadja. You're on the air.

Dietary Laws, Romans 14, and Christian Freedom

Hi. Um, so my question, uh, is related to the, the, um, uh, conversation you had with the first caller actually. Um, so you mentioned eating. And so, um, I understand eating to be, you know, a behavior.

Um, it is a dietary law, a part of the moral code. It was in the old Testament. So.

There are certain things that were meant for the Jewish nation only. And you can go to the old Testament. You can find the phrase, say to the sons of Israel. And in there were the codes of dress. Don't mix these fabrics.

Don't eat these foods. Oh, do this. Don't do that. That's for the nation of Israel. And it was for the purpose of their sanctification and their demonstration of being different than the neighboring nations and their holiness.

But this was fulfilled. The sanctification issues was fulfilled in the work of Christ. And now we're in a new covenant because that's part of the old covenant, but I just talked about, but now we're in a new covenant that's ratified with the death of Christ and Hebrews nine, 15 through 17.

So we are not obligated then to follow those dietary laws. We do not have to. The proof of that is in Romans chapter 14. And it says, now, except the one is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions.

One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he was weak, eats vegetables only. The one who eats is not to regard with contempt. The one who does not eat. And the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats for God has accepted him.

And he goes on, he says, uh, ladies, man, be fully convinced in his own mind. Okay.

Okay. Now I thought that had to do with the Judaizers, um, um, trying to convince people.

Of vegetarianism specifically. Nope, not at all. So this, what, uh, what this goes on says in verse four of Romans 14, who are you to judge the servant of another to his own master? He stands or falls and he will stand for the Lord is able to make him stand.

One person regards one day above another. Another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. He observed a day does it for the Lord who does not, does not one who eats, does it for the Lord and when he does not eat, gives thanks to God.

So he's saying, you can be convinced in your own mind on these issues. We've got a break, so hold on. We'll unpack it a little bit more for the break. Hey folks, we right back after these messages, please stay tuned.

It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All right. And welcome back to the show. I just want to give you thanks for listening. And also just remind you that we stay on the air by your support. Would you please consider supporting us? All you have to do is go to karm .org forward slash donate and all the information you need right there.

We could certainly use it and we appreciate your consideration. Let's get back on with Nadja. Welcome. You're back on. Hi. Okay. So I gave you a bit of info there. Did that help any?

Yes. I understand the Romans 14 for reference here. And I'll, I don't have a Bible in front of me, but I will go back and go look further at what follows a little bit more closely. So my other concern with this, and I'm really playing devil's advocate because I don't follow her law and I wasn't raised that way, but I, I've come down with an illness and it's funny because the diet that was suggested by my practitioner, there's no pork because of the parasitic potential reality of those foods.

And I just thought it was interesting that it was, you know, related to what we find in Leviticus 11. But yes. I began to look in this just personally, you know, and, um, so I I'm wondering though, if, so the argument that, like you mentioned, this is specific to Israel and says the sons of Israel.

I also, I get that. However, would it be, could it be dangerous to, because now we're picking and choosing what command? No, we're not. No, we're not. No,.

No, no, no, no, no. The old Testament law and all that it represented was fulfilled in Christ. And he went and we died with Christ, Romans six, six, Romans six, eight. And Paul, the apostle clearly teaches that those who have died are freed from the law.

We have died with Christ and Romans seven, four, who has died is freed from the law. So we are not under any obligation to follow any of these dietary laws. This is why we don't have to, I agree. Right.

Right. And this is very serious because there are cult groups that are growing now that are saying that you need to follow these old Testament laws. Dietary laws are for today and they're not, you can do it.

If you want, but that's, you don't do it to be saved. My question is then, why are we talking about doing it for salvation, obligated for salvation? Because if anybody, if anybody says.

That you do these things to keep yourself right with God, then it's a cult. If anyone says you can't eat this or can't eat that, or you got to worship on this day or that day in order to be.

Saved, it's a non Christian cult. Right. Run. Right. We're saved by faith to grace. Right. Of course.

Okay. But if they say, Hey, it's just healthier to eat this way. You go, yeah, it is. Okay. No problem. Do it. If you want to do that, do it. No problem. Right. Right. So it's not a matter.

Of salvation. I'm just, okay. Right. Okay. Got it. Because we're free. It's a very important.

Principle. We're free. We're free in Christ. He did the law. We don't have to follow it, but we do accidentally when we love God and love our neighbor, because God's in us, he's changed us and we're, we're, we're to love and we, we follow these things, but we're free to eat pork or veggies or not veggies or do the carnivore diet or not, whatever you want,.

Mediterranean diet. Right. Okay. Right. We are, we, it's our free will. Yep. That's right. Okay. Okay. Good. Thank you so much. You're welcome so much. Okay.

Have a good one. Okay. You too. God bless. All right. All right. Let's see. Next longest waiting is Elijah from Pennsylvania. Elijah. Welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt. Hey, my question.

Noah, Faith, Works, and the Oneness View

Today is this because there's this one, this video that I saw years ago, and I still remember what this, what this, uh, this, this guy said, uh, regardless of salvation. So, you know, I watched many debates on this and, uh, in the Trinitarians, I'm all on salvation and, you know, the guy and stuff, but, uh, but I never saw a oneness bring this argument up before for faith and works.

So this, this one, this guy said that, um, faith in the works is required for salvation because, uh, Noah, he had to obey God and do his commands or else he would have died in the flood. So therefore faith and works was required for Noah in order to be saved.

And he does this with other examples of people in the Bible as well. I can't remember them, but that's the one that stuck in my head is the example that he gave with Noah. So, so, so what are your thoughts on that?

Yeah, it's stupid logic. Okay. It's stupid. Notice the emphasis there. So saved has different meanings in different contexts. He was saved from the destruction of the flood. It doesn't mean that building an ark is what saved his soul.

It's what saved him and his family. And God wanted the lineage to continue when he called Abraham, I mean, called Noah to do this. And so eight people were saved through the waters. They were not saved because of their obedience.

Well, they were, you know, from the destruction of the flood, but not for salvation because that's by faith. So when someone says, look, they were saved through the flood, therefore you're saved by works that the word saved now has different meanings.

And there it's called the fallacy of equivocation. Okay. So he's just teaching cult theology with, with bad hermeneutics and lousy logic. You know, the oneness people, I've debated them many times and it's a cult and they deny the Trinity.

And then they have problems with the hypostatic union, the communication of the properties. They had baptism in, in the name of Jesus, you know, with the Holy ghost and you've got to be saved that way.

And, and all this stuff, it's like, would you stop? You know, which he's got would stop. And I challenged the number one guy in America, uh, to one, this guy to a debate and he, he didn't want to debate me.

I did. I met him in person with him. Number one guy. And, uh, he says, no, he's not doing debates anymore. I said, how about written, uh, written debate? He goes, that sounds doable. And then he backed out of that.

So, you know, oneness is, we have a technical word for this. It's called lame. Okay. Lame,.

Lame theology. All right. Yeah. And, um, and, uh, since we're talking about a oneness, um, this scripture just, just, uh, uh, popped up in my head before about, uh, cause I remember the scripture. Um, so, so, uh, Kelly powers when, when, uh, debating a Bishop Jerry Hayes several years ago, he brought this up and, uh, and, and, uh, and, uh, I can see, I can see his argument in this now.

So, so, so, so he used this scripture in the first John, what is this first John four, two, two, I think three. Okay. So, so, so, so, so his argument is is that, is that, uh, is that, uh, uh, one is people are, well, first I'm going to read it first.

It says, uh, this is how, you know, this is how you can recognize the spirit of God. Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God. So Kelly, Kelly powers points out that oneness, they don't say that Jesus came in the flesh.

They say the father came in the flesh. So, so the fact that they don't say, Oh yeah, but there's a problem with that.

Sorry. I know Kelly and he used to work with us here at Karm. Kelly's a good guy, but there's a logic problem. So Jesus by definition, uh, began to exist 2000 years ago. Not, it may sound heretical, but let me explain.

Jesus is by definition, the union of the human and divine natures where the properties of each nature are ascribed to the single person. That union of the two natures, which is what Jesus is began 2000 years ago.

So it's not possible that Jesus came out of heaven because Jesus in the union did not exist until the incarnation. Are you with me so far? Yeah. So the word, which is eternal, became in union with, with the human nature that called the hypostatic union that in the one person are two distinct natures.

So to say that Jesus came down from heaven, well, you could play with this. I could say to somebody, I could, you know, as a Christian, I could give him a hard time to another one who believes this. I'd say he believes in orthodoxy.

I'd say, how did Jesus come out of heaven? If Jesus by definition didn't exist until he was on earth, in what sense is going on? And the answer lies in what's called the communication of the properties and where the attributes of both natures are ascribed to the single person.

And that's what John is doing. He's talking about the divine quality and aspect of God, the second person that became flush. And then we'd call him Jesus. He said, he came out of, out of heaven. Well, that's what we get.

And that's what he means. I just being more technical, but when you're in a debate with somebody, technicality is very important. So when Kelly's talking about this, I know what he's saying and he's right in that one sense, but a oneness person who's sharp could put a wrench in it.

And then Kelly, he's smart enough to know how to respond to it. Anyway, we've got a break. So hold on, buddy. Okay. We'll be right back. All right, buddy. All right. Hold on folks. We'll be right back after these messages.

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All right. And welcome back to the show. I guess we're, we're done with that guy. Oh, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, that's right. There we go. Sorry. Got mixed up. You're back on Elijah.

Yeah. So, so we were talking about faith and words, right?

Right. And the oneness of false teaching. It's a cult. Yeah.

Yeah. So, so what are your thoughts on, on people who like to say that, that you have to, to follow like, like all of the commandments in the Old Testament in order to be saved? Because, because I've seen some videos from Seventh-day Adventists, and they, they like to say, you know, all Christians today, they say that, oh, oh, it's okay to keep all nine commandments, but, but it's okay to ignore the fourth commandment.

And they like to say, we're, we're, we're a cherry picking the 10 commandments and stuff. So, so what are your.

Thoughts on that? Well, may their damnable heresy die in hell with them. That's what they're teaching. Demonic doctrine from the Antichrist. No, I want them redeemed. They need to repent from their false doctrines.

They need to understand what they're teaching is Antichrist and from Satan himself. Anyone who would say that you meet need to keep the commandments of the Old Testament in order to be saved. Nope. They are teaching an Antichrist theology.

They're in league with the evil one. They're teaching false doctrine and they're bringing other people to damnation. So let me read you some scripture. Okay. These are harsh words. I'm saying, check this out.

Galatians three, verse one, you foolish Galatians who has bewitched you. That's pretty strong language from Paul. You foolish Galatians who has bewitched you before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified.

This is only the only thing I want to know from you. Did you receive the spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish having begun by the spirit? Are you now being perfected by the flesh?

Did you suffer so many things in vain? If indeed it was in vain, he goes on, he goes, you're ridiculous. And then he goes on in Galatians five. He says, I, Paul, say to you, that you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you.

And again, I testified every man who received circumcision, he's under obligation to keep the whole law. You've been severed from Christ. You who are seeking to be justified by the law, you've fallen from grace.

He goes on and he says, uh, let's see, uh, where's you say it? Yeah. In verse 12, I wish that those who are troubling you, now the context is circumcision. I wish that those who are troubling, troubling you would even mutilate themselves.