Matt Slick Live: September 9, 2024

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The following program is recorded content created by The Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live!

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Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at karm .org.

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When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers. Taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877 -207 -2276.

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Here's Matt Slick. Hey, everybody. Welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick, and you're listening to Matt Slick Live.

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If you want, you can give me a call, as usual. All you need to do is dial 877 -207 -2276.

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I want to hear from you. Give me a call. You can also watch the show by going to YouTube, Matt Slick Live, all one word.

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Also you can go to Rumble, rumble .com forward slash Matt Slick Live, and get it there.

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We're in a clubhouse and stuff. Yeah, we try and get stuff out there like that.

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So anyway, there you go. We don't have anybody waiting right now. So if you want to call me, the number is 877 -207 -2276.

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Today's date is September 9th, 2024. Now in two days, it's 9 -11, what

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I'll probably end up doing is talking about two major topics. Islam, 9 -11, and Mormonism, because in 1857, on 9 -11,

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September 11, 1857, something very significant happened in Mormonism.

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It's called the Mountain Meadows Massacre, and I'll talk about that, unless the calls come in a lot.

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But I'll be talking about that, and let's see, let's see, so I got to hear

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Ed Romine preach yesterday in Provo, Utah. That was really good.

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He did a very good job. I hope he's not listening. I don't want him to get a big head, but he did a really good job. He did. And I had a nice drive back, and I enjoyed it.

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Now this Friday coming up, I will not be on the air live. I'll be going to California, going to speak at a conference at Your Belinda, Calvary Chapel, Your Belinda.

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And I'll be speaking, I'll be doing a panel discussion Friday night, speaking three times on Saturday, then

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I get to preach at Norco, Calvary Chapel on Sunday, then fly back Sunday afternoon -ish, evening -ish.

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And then, then I'm going to Europe, about three weeks after that.

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So I'll be gone for three weeks, and I guess we'll just do, just run reruns all the time

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I'm gone. We'll see. We'll see what happens. Anyway, that's what's going on. And also, if you want, you can email me a question or comment, just direct it to info at carm .org,

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info at carm, C -A -R -M dot O -R -G, and put in the subject line, radio comment or radio question, and we can get to it.

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I just released an article today, Do the Properties of Jesus Two Natures Conflict in the One Person?

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This was a challenge offered to me by some atheists, and I wrote a response to it. It's a little technical, not very much, just a little bit, and I try and get into properties that are essential and accidental.

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And I actually mentioned a little thing in quantum physics as an analogy about superpositioning.

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So as an analogy, now I did that. So if people want to read that,

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I make it simple, like in quantum superpositioning, a quantum system can exist in different and distinct states simultaneously until measured, then one state collapses and is actualized.

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That's what it is when superpositioning occurs, and then I like the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum stuff, because it means when there's an observer, then potentiality is actualized.

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I love that kind of stuff. All right. So there you go. Hey, I'm going to get to the calls.

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Let's get to Matt from North Carolina. Matt, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, how are you doing?

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I'm doing all right. Hanging in there, man. What do you got, buddy? My question was,

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I'm a conservative Republican, and I'm against like abortion, and so I have some

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Christian friends that tell me things like, well, you shouldn't judge people based on these issues, and you shouldn't make it a big issue, because we shouldn't judge people based on their sin, but I want to take a position where I'm against that, so where do

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I draw the line on that? You can go to 1 Corinthians 2 .15, and that's a verse that says the spiritual man appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no man, and it's from the

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Greek word anakrina, and it deals with the issue of judgment. So if we were to go to other translations, for example, let me get to that, and I'll show you how they render it, but 1

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Corinthians 2 .15, and we'll talk about the logic behind what's going on, and so a spiritual man examines all things.

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We have different translations saying judges all things. The ESV says that King James has judges, so we are allowed to make spiritual judgments, so you ask your friends, and say, we're not supposed to make those kind of judgments, to say, do you judge whether or not a murderer is wrong, or a murderer, yes, oh, you're making a spiritual judgment, aren't you?

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You're making a moral judgment, because you know that adultery and murder and homosexuality and all this stuff are sinful things, and you're judging them as sinful, right?

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Yes, you are. Well, then, let me ask you, does morality stretch into every area of life, and the answer is yes, and there's a reason.

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Here's the reason. God is moral and holy in his character, and he's the sovereign king over everything, every part of our lives, not just part, and because he's the morally superior holy one, then everything that he is in charge of and sovereign of in the

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Christian's life, it has a moral value and a moral relationship, therefore, politics, child rearing, eating, walking, having pets, everything has a moral value related to it, and the obligation that we're to honor

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God through all of it, okay? All right, thank you. That help?

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Remember, 1 Corinthians 2 .15, all right? Okay. Thank you. All right, buddy,

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God bless. All right, now, let's see. Let's get to Ed from Roanoke, Virginia.

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Welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Slick. How you doing tonight? I'm going to kick out.

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People call me Slick. Doing fine. Hanging in there. Hanging in there. What do you got, buddy?

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Well, I get my Slick fix again tonight. I'm on the road again. There you go. You're a smart man.

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I heard a radio preacher, well, a guy I really enjoy listening to, and he said, you know, and sometimes he stretches things a little bit, and I'm going, you know, sir,

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I don't quite think, but it was interesting. He was preaching on Romans 10, 9, and 10, and he said, this is not a salvation verse, because this is written to Christians.

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And what he was, because, you know, a lot of people would say, well, you can't confess with the mouth of the Lord Jesus if you're mute or deaf or something like that, you know?

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A lot of people would say, what about that? But he was saying, no, this is not a salvation verse, because this is written to Christians, and what he was basically saying was that to confess the

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Lord Jesus meant in your everyday life, you need to confess Christ to whoever or whatever person you come into, and if you deny him, thou will confess the

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Lord Jesus, believe my heart, thou shalt be saved. He was saying that salvation aspect is a daily salvation of God's intervention in your life, and it's answering your prayers because you're willing to confess

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Christ. And the application he made was that Jesus comes to God the

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Father and says, Dad, Matt is asking for this prayer request, and he's asking for me to answer it, and God says, no, he's denying you, he confessed you in his life, so therefore we're not going to save him today in his problem or answer his prayer today, because he's denying you, my son.

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That was the application he was using on that verse. What do you think about that? Wow. If he did that in seminary and I was a professor judging his sermon,

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I would give him a C minus or a D and say, we need to talk.

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To say it's not a salvation verse is ridiculous. If you confess with your mouth, Jesus says, Lord, believe in your heart,

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God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Okay, he's saying it's a different kind of salvation, whatever, but it says, for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and the mouth he confesses resulting in salvation.

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So righteousness and salvation are being spoken of, this is definitely redemptive. Now it's a general principle, and you're right, people who are mute, you know, what if you have a tube down your throat, you're on your deathbed, and you can't talk, well, of course.

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But so, no, this is salvific, it's eteriological. So he's not getting it right.

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Okay. Okay, because he was speaking in terms of who

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Paul was writing to in the Roman church, and he was saying it was written by Christians.

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But here's the problem, is that, you know, it's called task theology,

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T -A -S -K, what's the task? You're writing to the Roman church. Oh, is it just Christians in the church?

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In Rome? Yeah. Is that what Caesaropapism is around? The emperor worship? Where the

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Jews and Gentiles are kind of mixing in here? So is it just for them? No, he's talking to both groups simultaneously as he's working through things.

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And that's what he's doing. You know, he mentions Moses in Romans 5, in Romans 10 verse 5,

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I mean, and then righteousness based on faith speaks as follows, do not say in your heart, who will ascend and who will descend and, you know, the word is near you, and then if you confess it's your mouth.

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This is salvific. So no, I would totally disagree with that guy, okay? Okay, well, thank you for my quick fix tonight.

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Well God bless. All right. Same to you, sir. All right, man. God bless.

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Hey, there we go. Now we've got one other person waiting, but not quite released, so I can click on him and add him in.

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But, yeah, there we go right there and do that with this and can't do that, that's weird. So we got some other stuff trying to get out of my way on my screen, lots of screens open.

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That's interesting. That won't save. So I've got to get rid of that. Don't save. There we go. And let's get to Jermaine from California.

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Jermaine, welcome. You're on the air. Hi, Matt. Yeah, I wanted to ask about what's so wrong with the

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Eastern Orthodox Church. I've had some friends come out of that, but I've never heard a very good explanation from people who are supposed to know about it.

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So I just wanted to hear what you had to say about it. They teach a false gospel, a false communion supper, and a false

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Mary, and they have a false priesthood. There's four main areas that they and Roman Catholicism are guilty of.

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A false gospel, and I'll go over why. A false Mary, because they basically turn her into a functioning goddess.

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A false priesthood, where it's sacerdotal, which means that the priest has the authority of Jesus and in the true church, they have their true church and their authority.

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You go through the sacramental system and grace is worked upon you and through you to make you more like God that you can be saved.

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It's salvation by works. And they teach, the

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RC, Roman Catholicism, teaches transubstantiation. And I'm still learning and trying to figure out exactly the view of the

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Eastern Orthodox, but from what I understand, it's basically the same thing. So Eastern Orthodoxy denies justification by faith alone in Christ alone.

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And it adds baptism as a requirement to salvation. It's just one of many things.

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I can read you some of the stuff from them, but it's basically, it's a gigantic cult.

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Just like RC, Roman Catholics. All right. Yeah, I remember there was a big controversy when

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Hank Canegraaff had gone over to the Orthodox Church and I know it kind of created some shockwaves, but yeah.

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Yeah, it did. In fact, he was on this network and they quickly and properly got rid of him and then they asked me to fill in to take a spot and I did.

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So that's why I'm on this network. But yeah, Hank Canegraaff went rogue and went over to the

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Eastern Orthodox Church, which I would gladly debate him, you know. But Eastern Orthodoxy, it says this, let me get into some quotes.

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Justification is accomplished at baptism. The point where a person is granted forgiveness of sins and placed in a right relationship with God and is maintained through a life of obedience.

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Well, that's worth righteousness. Hey, hold on, man. We've got a break. We'll be right back after these messages, folks, please stay tuned, right back.

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It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276.

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Here's Matt Slick. All right. Well, welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with your main.

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Hey, buddy, are you still there? Yes, I am. All right.

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So let me continue on. I had to kind of go quickly because the break was there.

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So this is what it says. Justification is accomplished at baptism.

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The point where a person is granted forgiveness of sins. Now, whenever anybody teaches that forgiveness of sins occurs at baptism, then they're denying justification by faith.

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because when I talk to them and I ask them are you justified by faith they have to say yes because that's what the Bible says then

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I ask him are you justified by faith when you have faith and that's the trick question and they stumble well yes they get baptized you can do you know and they really want to justify the false teachings of their church but this quote goes on and it says and it's played a person is then placed in a relationship with God and is this right relationship is maintained through a list but it's gonna be through a life of obedience to God and confession of sins it is accomplished at baptism the sacramental instrument by which sins are forgiven and is maintained by confession of sins so you maintain your salvation before God by what you do your confession your obedience etc yet they also say we come to Christ as sinners that are justified by faith apart from good works but once we connect with Christ and enjoy a saving relationship with him we ought to honor him with good works now that's that's fine except they're inconsistent because I just read from a website of any orthodox website that says you'll be baptized and then

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I just read for another one that says you're safe without any works but this is the Catholics will say they'll do the same thing no we're saved by grace through faith not by by works and they they talk but they're they're not being deceptive they just don't have their brains just aren't aren't aren't hitched up to the taillights you know it's just not working right okay so they they can they hold contradictory ideas without thinking through so for example this is in the one the quote where I said that you're justified by faith apart from good works that same website says this according to st.

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Paul not only loving deeds but also the sacraments of baptism and the Eucharist are decisive to salvation so you can't have both ways so what they'll do is they'll say that the works that you do are not your works they're

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God's works in you and through the sacraments and through penance and various ceremonies but they're

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God's works so you're saved by grace through faith not by works because they're God's works but you got to do them to get saved that's the deception that they have they're they're whacked okay so I can go on more if you want but that's the idea and that's just there right right yeah it sounds like another form of Mormonism or any other works based belief system yeah it is it's works based and so get this

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I've talked to some pretty knowledgeable EO guys and I asked them questions and I said let me write down what you're saying is necessary for salvation and so I said this is what it is right and I quoted it back to them they said yes correct and here's one of them

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Adam lost the proper relationship with God through his sin Jesus restored the ruptured relationship through his resurrection therefore by participating in the energies of God the energies that's

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God's grace working through you you slowly become divinized that's from the word divine the divinized being made more like Jesus ontologically which means in nature and in this process we become justified so now they're denying justification by faith and another one says

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God is working in and through you to do good works which are perfecting your faith in God these same works purify your faith and that purified faith and brings theosis and Christ likeness by which righteousness is obtained is the grace in true faith of orthodoxy that achieves theosis it just goes on and on it's just a load of crud okay that's just on salvation yeah there's teachers and all groups where where your your righteousness is based on your goodness even in totality or in part they all teach you can lose your salvation because it's based in part of them you know so there you go okay all right well thanks man appreciate you all right

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God bless all right so there's uh yeah

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Eastern Orthodoxy is making converts more and more that's what I've hearing all over and so what

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I do and others are doing is exposing the the false teachings of Eastern Orthodoxy folks

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Eastern Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism are not Christian they are false churches that teach a false gospel a false

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Mary a false priesthood and a false communion supper they are false teachers those churches are not

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Christian if you believe in official Roman Catholic theology an official

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Eastern Orthodox theology you're not a Christian but that doesn't mean there aren't good people in there and Christians in those churches who don't know what is really taught this is why

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I say official doctrines let's see next longest waiting is

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Naja welcome Naja you're on the air hi so my question is related to the conversation you have the first caller actually so you mentioned eating and so I understand eating to be a behavior is the dietary law a part of the moral code it was in the

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Old Testament so there are certain things that were meant for the Jewish nation only and you can go to the

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Old Testament you find the phrase say to the sons of Israel and in there were the codes of dress don't mix these fabrics don't eat these foods don't do this don't do that that's for the nation of Israel and it was for the purpose of their sanctification and their demonstration of being different than the neighboring nations in their holiness but this was fulfilled the sanctification issues was fulfilled in the work of Christ and now we're in a new covenant because that's part of the

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Old Covenant but I just talked about but now we're in a new covenant that's ratified with the death of Christ in Hebrews 9 15 through 17 so we are not obligated then to follow those dietary laws we do not have to the proof of that is in Romans chapter 14 and it says now except the one is weak in faith but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions one person has faith that he may eat all things but he was weak eats vegetables only the one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats for God has accepted him and he goes on he says ladies man be fully convinced in his own mind okay okay now

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I thought that had to do with the Judaizers trying to convince people of vegetarianism specifically nope not at all so this what what this goes on says in verse 4 of Romans 14 who were you to judge the servant of another to his own master he stands or falls and he will stand for the

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Lord is able to make him stand one person regards one day above another another regards every day alike each person must be fully convinced in his own mind he observes a day does it for the

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Lord who does not does not one who eats does it for the Lord and when it is not eat gives thanks to God so he's saying you can be convinced in your own mind on these issues we've got a break so hold on we'll unpack it a little bit more for the break hey folks be right back after these messages please stay tuned it's

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Matt Slick live taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276 here's

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Matt Slick all right and welcome back to the show just want to give you thanks for listening and also just remind you that we stay on the air by your support would you please consider supporting us all you have to do is go to CARM .org

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forward slash donate and all the information you needs right there we could certainly use it and we appreciate your consideration let's get bit of info there did that help any yes

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I understand the Romans 14 for reference here and I'll I don't have a

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Bible in front of me but I will go back and go look further at what follows a little bit more closely so my other concern with this and I'm really playing devil's advocate because I I don't follow that hair law and I wasn't raised that way but I I've come down with the illness and it's funny because the the diet that was suggested by my practitioners no shellfish no pork because the parasitic potential reality of those foods and I just thought it was interesting that it was you know related to what we find in Leviticus 11 but yes

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I began to to look in this just personally you know and so I I'm wondering though if so the argument that like you mentioned this is specific to Israel and says the sons of Israel right

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I also I get that however would it be could it be dangerous to because now we're picking and choosing what command no we're not the

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Old Testament law and all that it represented was fulfilled in Christ and he went and we died with Christ Romans 6 6

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Romans 6 8 and Paul the Apostle clearly teaches that those who have died are freed from the law we have died with Christ and Romans 7 4 who has died is freed from the law so we are not under any obligation to follow any of these dietary laws this is why we don't have to I agree right right and this is very serious because there are cult groups that are growing now that are saying that you need to follow these

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Old Testament laws dietary laws are for today and they're not you can do it if you want that's you don't do it just be right are we talking about doing it for salvation obligated for salvation because if anybody if anybody says that you do these things to keep yourself right with God then it's a cult if anyone says you can't eat this or can't eat that or you got to worship on this day or that day in order to be saved it's a non -christian cult right run but if they say hey it's just healthier to eat this way you go yeah it is okay no problem do it if you want to do that do it no problem right right so it's not a matter of salvation okay right okay got it because we're free it's a very important principle we're free we're free in Christ he did the law we don't have to follow it but we do accidentally when we love

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God and love our neighbor because God's in us he's changed us and we're we're to love and we we follow these things but we're free to eat pork or veg these are not veggies or do the carnivore diet or not whatever you want

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Mediterranean diet right okay right we are free well yep that's right okay okay good thank you so you're welcome so much okay okay you too

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God bless all right all right let's see next longest waiting is

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Elijah from Pennsylvania Elijah welcome you're on the air hey

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Matt uh hey my question today is this because there's this one this video that I saw years ago and I still remember what this but this this guy said regardless of salvation so you know

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I watch many debates on this and in the Trinitarians I'm all on salvation you know the guy but uh but I never saw a one this bring this argument up before for faith and works so this this one this guy said that faith and works is required for salvation because Noah he had to obey

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God and do his commands or else he would have died in the flood so therefore faith and works was required for Noah in order to be saved and he does this with other examples of people in the

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Bible as well I can't remember them but that's the one that stuck in my head is the example that he gave with Noah so so so what are your thoughts on that yeah it's stupid logic okay stupid notice the emphasis there so saved has different meanings in different contexts he was saved from the destruction of the flood doesn't mean that building an ark is what saved his soul it's what saved him and his family and God wanted the lineage to continue when he called

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Abra I mean called Noah to do this and so eight people were saved through the waters they were not saved because of their obedience well they were you know from the destruction of the flood but not for salvation because that's by faith so when someone says look they were saved through the flood therefore you're saved by works that the word saved now has different meanings and there it's called the fallacy of equivocation okay so he's just teaching cult theology with with bad hermeneutics and lousy logic you know the oneness people

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I've debated them many times and it's a cult and they deny the Trinity and then they have problems with the hypostatic

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Union the communication of the properties they had baptism in in the name of Jesus you know with the

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Holy Ghost and you got to be saved that way and and all this stuff it's like would you stop you know what she's got would stop and I challenged the number one guy in America to one this guy to a debate and he didn't want to debate me

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I did I met him in person with him number one guy and he says no he's not doing debates anymore

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I said how about written written debate he goes that sounds doable and then he backed out of that so you know oneness is we have a technical word for this it's called lame okay lame lame theology right yeah and and since we're talking about oneness on this scripture just just popped up in my head before about because I remember the scripture um so so Kelly Powers when when

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I debating Bishop Jerry Hayes several years ago he brought this up and and and I can see

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I can see his argument in this mouth so so so so he's this scripture in the first John first John 4 2 2

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I think 3 okay so so so so his argument is this is that is that is that one is people are first I'm gonna read it first this is this is how you know this is how you can recognize the

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Spirit of God every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God so Kelly Kelly Powers points out that oneness they don't say that Jesus came in the flesh they say the

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Father came in the flesh so so the fact that they don't say oh yeah but there's a problem with that sorry

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I know Kelly and he's to work with us here at CARM Kelly's a good guy but there's a logic problem so Jesus by definition began to exist 2 ,000 years ago you may sound heretical but let me explain

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Jesus is by definition the union of the human and divine natures where the properties of each nature are ascribed to the single person that union of the two natures which is what

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Jesus is began 2 ,000 years ago so it's not possible that Jesus came out of heaven because Jesus in the union did not exist until the incarnation are you with me so far yeah so the word which is eternal became in union with with the human nature called the hypostatic union that in the one person are two distinct natures so to say that Jesus came down from heaven what you could play with this

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I could say to somebody I could you Christian I could give him a hard time to another one who believes this

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I'd say who believes in orthodoxy I'd say how did Jesus come out of heaven if Jesus by definition didn't exist until he was on earth in what sense is going on and the answer lies in what's called the communication of the properties and where the attributes of both natures are ascribed to the single person and that's what

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John is doing he's talking about the divine quality and aspect of God the second person that became flesh and and then we'd call him

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Jesus he came out of heaven well that's what we get and that's what he means I just being more technical but when you're in a debate with somebody technicality is very important so when

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Kelly's talking about this I know what he's saying and he's right in that one sense but a oneness person who's sharp could put a wrench in it and then

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Kelly he's smart enough to know how to respond to it anyway we've got a break so hold on buddy okay we'll be right back all right buddy all right hey hold on folks be right back after these messages they've got well the last segment of the show already so hope you're enjoying it be right back please stay tuned it's

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Matt Slick live taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276 here's

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Matt Slick right away and welcome back to the show I guess we're done with that God oh no wait wait no it's right there we go sorry got mixed up you're back on Elijah yeah so so we were talking about faith and words right right and the oneness false teaching it's a cult yeah yeah um so so um what are your thoughts on on people who like to say that that um you have to to follow like like all the commandments in the

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Old Testament in order to be saved because I've seen some videos from Seventh -day

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Adventists and they they like to say you know all Christians today they say that oh it's okay to keep all nine commandments but but it's okay to ignore the fourth commandment and they like to say to where we're a cherry picking the same commandments and stuff so what are your thoughts on that well may their damnable heresy die in hell with them that's what they're teaching demonic doctrine from the

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Antichrist now I want them redeemed they need to repent from their false doctrines they need to understand what they're teaching is

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Antichrist and from Satan himself anyone who would say that you meet need to keep the commandments of the

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Old Testament in order to be saved no they are teaching an Antichrist theology they're in league with the evil one they're teaching false doctrine and they're bringing other people to damnation so let me read you some scripture okay these are harsh words

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I'm saying check this out the Galatians 3 verse 1 you foolish Galatians who has bewitched you that's pretty strong language from Paul you foolish

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Galatians who has bewitched you before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified this is only the only thing

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I want to know from you did you receive the spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith are you so foolish having begun by the spirit are you now being perfected by the flesh did you suffer so many things in vain if indeed it was in vain goes on he goes you're ridiculous and then he goes on in Galatians 5 he says

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I Paul say to you receive circumcision Christ will be of no benefit to you and again

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I testified every man who received circumcision he's under obligation to keep the whole law you've been severed from Christ you who are seeking to be justified by the law you've fallen from grace he goes on and he says let's see where's you say it yeah in verse 12

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I wish that those who are troubling you now the context is circumcision I wish that those who are troubling troubling you would even mutilate themselves no people go man you can't say that kind of stuff that's a wait a minute that's what

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Paul said ooh there is a time to be severe when it comes to the issue of salvation and soteriological issues when a false group starts saying you have to keep the

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Old Testament law in order to be saved that's a demonic teaching from the devil himself the reason we know this is because of this in Romans 6 6 it says this knowing this that our old self was crucified with him that our body of sin might be done away with in verse 8 now we have died with Christ we shall also live with him we died with Christ were crucified with Christ because he represented us in Adam all die in Christ all should made alive he represented us so this is what the

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Bible says in Romans 7 for therefore my brethren you are also made to die to the law through the body of Christ so that you might be joined to another to him who was raised from the dead in order that we might bear fruit to God so wait a minute he says we died to the law through the body of Christ that's what he says well then he says in verse 1 the law has jurisdiction over person as long as he lives for the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living but if her husband dies she's released from the law even so if while her husband is living she's joined to another she commits adultery but if her husband dies she's free from the law therefore my brethren you also are made to die to the law through the body of Christ we have died to the law we don't have to keep those

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Old Testament laws we don't anybody who says that he virtually is saying anybody who says excuse me that yes you got to keep the

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Old Testament laws to be saved they're saying we haven't died with Christ we haven't been crucified with Christ that means they're not elect in Christ there means are not saved okay yeah then and then and then one of seven days

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Venice when you point out you know that we're justified by faith and not by works they'll say that we also believe that too but then they'll try to try to say the same things that that reform people say they'll say they'll say that um they'll say that if you if you have true genuine saving faith then you'll then you'll keep the commandments and but but but here's the problem though is that is a seven -day

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Venice say that they believe in in faith alone as well but then but then we get into the issue of the market to be they say that if you don't keep the fourth commandment then then you're gonna eventually receive of the market the peace so please work yeah there it's a cult the official

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SDA theology is a cult okay and Ellen G white the founder was a plagiarist and a liar so and she taught what's called the investigative judgment and the investigative judgment deals with your salvation being based upon what

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God does in his investigates your whole life about your good and your bad and with them it's the law keeping the dietary laws believing that Ellen G white was a true prophetess and you can't worship on Sunday it's a cult now so if that's the case then why does

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Paul say in Romans 14 5 he says one person regards one day above another that's a

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Sabbath is included in one day another another regards every day alike every day includes a

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Sabbath every single day Sabbath is one of those of every day each person must be fully convinced in his own mind see one person regards one day above another

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Sabbatarian another regards every day alike non -sabbatarian each person must be fully convinced in his own mind so here's another verse 1st

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Corinthians I hate when I do this bill Colossians Colossians 2 16 now notice it'll go yearly monthly weekly watch this therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to in regard to food or drink in respect to a festival or a new moon or a

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Sabbath day things which are a mere shadow of what's to come so Colossians 2 16 or 17 says don't let anyone judge you about even the

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Sabbath day so the SDA when they're teaching this are teaching false doctrine

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I need to call them on the carpet so you're teaching false doctrine and furthermore only nine of the

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Ten Commandments in Exodus 21 through 17 the Ten Commandments only one of them is not restated in the

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New Testament and it's the Sabbath because Jesus is our rest they're back under the law because they're a cult yeah okay the

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SDA will bring up Hebrews 4 9 what are your thoughts tonight and and I'll let that be my last question okay

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I'll bring up 4 9 to say that that's about Sabbath yeah there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God it's a metaphor for talking about our relationship with Christ that we're in him that we have that rest in him because what he's doing is writing to the

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Hebrews and he's applying the issue of the Sabbath which they were holding we have a

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Sabbath rest it's in Jesus you don't have to do all these works that's what he's doing so when you talk to the

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SDA and they quote you a verse what I do sometimes is I'll say whoa did you hear that and they'll say you hear what well you know like like a verse being ripped out of context you didn't hear that sound was big was loud

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I think would you stop ripping verses out of context would you start reading them and they'll say you're ripping out of context

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I say then what's the context of what I just quoted well I don't know what it is but you're ripping out of context well how do you know if you didn't know what the context is so anyway yeah

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I get upset when it comes to heresy that causes people to be damned that that deals with salvation and work of Christ that upsets me that's the one thing it

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I get uppity about don't mess with my Jesus and what he did you do that the gloves are off I'm sorry to go

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Krav Maga all right all right thanks

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Matt I'll uh I'll talk to you soon all right buddy God bless all right now hey let we lost a cessation this guy so now we'll get to Steve from Charlotte North Carolina hey hey

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Matt how you doing this evening all right good well that's good

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I have a well here's the problem I'm having having a little battle with my brother okay now my brother and I are both

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Christians we're both believers in Jesus Christ and but he's a

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Democrat and I'm a Republican so my what's that okay what did you say well he calls himself a

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Christian and yet he wants to vote with the party that's pro -homosexual pro -LGBT pro -abortion this is what he wants that's

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I call him on the carpet say don't call yourself a Christian and you vote Democrat who I'm making people mad right now don't be calling yourself a

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Christian yeah I vote for the party that kills the babies and that wants socialism and Marxism I vote for the party that's pro -LGBTQ and forcing it on the children yeah

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I'm a Christian don't don't right these are these are the questions that I've asked him I said how can you vote it for a group people who think that murdering babies is okay how can a

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Christian vote for a party that allows drugs to enter the country in cartels to exploit women and children how can a

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Christian vote for a party who wholeheartedly attacks Christianity and calls it a religion of hate yeah you know how can a

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Christian vote for a party which stands in direct defiance of what God says concerning marriage and and and and if you remember what

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Biden did on the lawn of the White House and making that declaration that this is now not just for marriage between a man and a woman that's just blasphemy that you and I think

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God is gonna judge our country because of what he is I mean he already is a horrible thing that he did there people don't realize the profoundness but I tried to tell him and he just keeps going back to the but Trump it doesn't matter what

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Trump did or didn't it's not we're not that's not the issue yeah that's not the issue Trump this

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Trump that that's not the issue see whether he did this or did that whatever that you're not that's not the issue the issue is you're voting for a party that wants to kill the unborn that wants to promote the alphabet mob all over society is this what you stand for because that's what you are telling me and I would say to him don't call yourself a

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Christian don't be saying you're a Christian and you're voting for the the party that kills babies that was a party of slavery the party of Jim Crow laws the party of socialism and communism that hates

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Christianity that is freeing the the wicked and penalizing the good that's overtaxing us and that promotes all kinds of ungodliness don't don't call you the

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Christian you belong to the Democratic Party I make a lot of your mad right now that's my I believe you're preaching to your preaching to my choir right now and that's that's what

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I told him and and you know we we we do have a right to judge other people the

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Bible doesn't say we can't judge the Bible says don't judge others lest you be judged so so we do have a right

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I mean you pass judgment on people would you would you let your daughter date a sex offender

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I mean of course not would you you know there's there's sure call back and on and call back we'll talk some more okay but here's the end of the show all right folks hey sorry about that we're out of time yeah that's what

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I said don't call yourself a Christian if you're knowledgeably voting for the Democratic Party how could you dare do that yeah call me tomorrow if you don't like it we'll talk