Adoption (Special Guests William & Makayla Dillon) | Season 5 Episode 6

Well, hello, welcome back, everybody. If you notice, Pastor Josiah is not here today, but we have, to my right, your left, if you're watching this, we have Elena, and then to my left, you have Michaela and William Dillon, the newlyweds.

They had their wedding yesterday, and they have crazed us with their presence. You've seen Emperor's New Groove. Do you remember that scene where the Emperor and Pacha are in disguise, and they're at the restaurant, and they're like, oh, what would you have, and they're like, oh, well, this is our, like, we just got married, this is our honeymoon, and she's like, oh, bless you for coming out in public.

Donovan and I watched that the other day, and it was just perfect. So thank you guys for being here, even though you guys have already been married for a little bit, but we appreciate you taking the time to come out and chat with us.

Adoption, Fatherhood, and the Testimony of Being Chosen

So today, we are actually going to continue the topic that Michaela's parents did on adoption. We didn't get a chance to discuss that with them at that time, so we actually brought in William and Michaela to talk about their perspectives, Michaela being adopted by Shane, and then William's perspective of adopting Michaela's daughter, Nova, which is now their daughter, which is a beautiful story.

So but first, we want to play a game. It's just a would you rather. I feel like those have been pretty popular this last season. So let's see. Would you rather, and we'll just do one today, but would you rather sell all of your possessions or sell one of your organs?

Huh? Why don't I sell one of my organs? Do we get to pick our organ? Do we get to pick it? I would assume, one that, like, you can't donate your brain, like, you can't sell your brain. I would give a kidney.

I was about to say, I'd sell an organ.

But what would be the price? What do you mean? On the black market or just like, just whatever. I don't have the numbers. I don't think you really sell your kidney for like, does it say give a kidney or sell it?

No, it says sell.

Sell one of your organs. So all of your organs are like 10 grand. That's going to literally rack up as much as selling all your possessions, if not more. And it's just one thing. What are we talking about?

Like possessions. So like your house. Yeah. Like your house can be like several hundred thousand dollars. Yeah. I'm keeping that. I'm keeping that. But you have to sell all of your possessions. So you'd rather just get rid of a kidney and keep the money from selling your other possessions.

Yeah.

That's what I'm saying. I would have more money. I'm like, I can just rebuy stuff that I like, you know, I want to be a good like decluttering.

Thing to start over, be a minimalist, which I kind of got into that idea because I just hate crap in the house. And my husband was not too keen on that because I started like getting rid of his stuff.

I heard that he said something about wanting our treadmill and he said, maybe if Anna lets me, because she's a big minimalist right now, we don't have room, the room that he, our spare bedroom he's using for his office, which I'm like, we're eventually going to have to turn that into another baby's room.

Like we can't put two kids, like especially, you know, a newborn and like a toddler in the same room. I'm not doing that to myself.

That's like suicide mission. My mom did that to me with my little sister.

She's a better woman than I would have been. Make Helen and Austin all shared rooms, the same room, all three of us for like a while. I don't know. It's like, I get you, you do what you got to do, but no, like, so now what I do is if I haven't seen them like wear something or use something for a long time, I'll set it in a pile.

And I said, you just need to go through that. Like, I just need you to go through that. Let me know what you don't want to keep, you know, like all that, and then I'll take it to Goodwill. But no, I've asked him, I said, is, is the treadmill like foldable?

Like, can you move it around? Because also it's foldable. Well I have, I have a leg lamp for Christmas. So like the Christmas story, yes, my mom bought it for me for my birthday. So I'm like, well, I might need that window for the lamp, so I need to make sure that the treadmill folds up.

And it's only out once a year, that leg lamp. Well, this is, this will be the first year I put it out because my mom bought it in March.

Please tell me you're just going to keep it up.

No, no, we started setting up Christmas decorations yesterday, like outside the house. And I said, okay, I'm still trying to plot out where we need to, because I need to plot out where we're going to put the Christmas tree, if we're going to move it from last year, you know, or whatever.

But going back to the question, you said Oregon, or would you rather go?

Well now I'm second guessing, because I mean, if we don't rebuy everything.

Like, but how much, we should Google, how much does an Oregon go for on the black market? Because then we can have a better understanding of what we're getting into. So do you get to pick like certain possessions that you could keep?

It says all your possessions. Yeah, so see, I couldn't do that because a lot of my possessions are like things from my childhood and like family heirlooms and stuff. So I would probably just rather sell my kidney.

See. Most of our furniture was given to us.

Your kidney is your possession? No. But what happened? What happens to your kidney? I'm saying I'd rather sell my kidney so that if I sell my possessions, then I can lose all that stuff. I would lose all the stuff that I've kept and held on to.

So the mentality and stuff. So I'd rather just keep that. Here's what all your organs and parts are worth on the black market. Oh, okay. Just a Google search away. Kidneys. 200 grand. See? Definitely selling a kidney.

Right. But it's like, is that one kidney? I'm sure. Because you can't sell both and live. So that's one kidney. So liver. There's dialysis. Can you live without, you can't live without your liver. Right.

Yeah. But it regrows. Yeah. It's like. Yeah. And you couldn't sell yours if you wanted. You wouldn't be able to. It's like a lizard. A lizard tail. That one's out of the question. Well, if you sold your liver, it'd be 157 ,000.

I think that's only if it's in good condition. Oh, I was about to say. His would be worth like 2 ,000.

It's like when you go through like a car guru or the Kelly Blue Book. And you're like, good but used condition.

Or you look at the car facts and it's like. Yeah. Fair. It has had blood damage or something like that. Two to three accidents. A few wrecks. The heart goes for 119 ,000. Blew up a little bit. It goes for how much?

119 ,000 for your heart. Why is the heart less than the kidney? Well, it's not like you're going to get the money from the heart. Oh, that is true. You're going to be dead. Yeah. Your corneas are 30 ,000.

What is a cornea? Is that your eye? Yeah. Your eyes. My dad actually donated his corneas when he passed away. They used his organs. But it's like. So, if you. I mean, I'm already an organ donor. So, why not?

Beforehand. Beforehand. Beforehand. You just actually make money. Bone marrow. So, I can actually keep the money. It says bone marrow, parentheses, legally. Three grand. And then, I guess you can sell.

Like, women can sell their eggs for money. So, that's like anywhere from 5 ,000 to 50 ,000. I feel like that's a pretty good range. And then. This is. I don't know. This is so interesting. Like, I understand it's a black market.

So, it's not people like actually like spend. You know, selling their own stuff. But your coronary artery is about 1 ,500. Your small intestine is about 2 ,500. Skulls. Which one? With teeth. Oh, with teeth.

It's 1 ,200 dollars. Wow. Your spleen is only 508 dollars. I don't think you need your spleen. You don't. So, that's a quick buck. You can. Your scalp. 600 dollars. The further I go down on this list, I'm going to hurry some of this.

Was it the Cherokees that used to take scalps? Oh, they'd scalp. Man, they would have been rich. Oh, gosh. Your gallbladder is 1 ,200.

Stomach is 500. Shoulder is 500. Per pint, blood is 337 dollars. Hair. Just hundreds of dollars.

Hundreds of dollars. I actually donated my hair once. I did too. My hair never grew long enough to do that. Oh, I did.

It was like down to here. And I think I donated like 10 inches. I did it once. I'm like, never again. Because my hair had no volume. It was just horrible. Skin is 10 dollars per square inch. I didn't know you could even donate your skin.

There's a short story about that. Okay, I need you to go.

Okay. You said short story about skin?

As in like an actual, you can read it, short story. By Roald Dahl called Skin. Really?

Mm-hmm. Oh. Very good. Okay. I was about to say, I'll have to read that. I only grew up with like Matilda and Willy Wonka. No, these are his adult short stories.

Okay. I didn't know he wrote them. Have you ever read like Lamb to the Slaughter or? No. Do you have any of those? I have them all.

Okay. I was about to say. I have The Complete Works. He's my favorite. I'm a reader now. I'm currently reading about Prince Harry. His book. Just because my mom had it and I'm like, I love drama.

I love drama. Oh, and I have the new Duggar book if you would like to borrow it. Yes. Okay. Is it Jenna? Jenna.

Jenna Duggar, I think was it. Okay. Yeah. We'll talk later. We'll talk later. I'm reading Phil Robertson books right now. Ooh. Are they, do you like them? So far. Is this the one? The one that I'm reading is about like he's, there's a, what the world says versus what the Bible says.

Mm-hmm. And he puts both of those things in perspective. So like he wrote what the world says is that God is dead and what the truth is that God is alive just as he always been. So that's, it's every single chapter is a different lie that the world will spread versus what the truth of the Bible is.

He is so wise. Just incredibly wise. And he has such a great testimony too. And don't they have a movie out? They do. Like about his, his testimony. I think that's really amazing. I was telling William I really want to go see it.

I feel like that would be like such a great movie. You have a babysitter. If we had a babysitter. We got plenty options. We have options. Yes. We're like right down the road. I forget that sometimes. Yeah.

It's like we can just swap kids. My husband and I need to go on a date night. So it's just like, you know, I hate asking people to watch our son. I really do. Just show up. I'm there all the time. I don't ever leave.

So just show up. I don't either. I just stay at home mom. I just sit in the house. Both of you need to go out to the park together and get out. Does it even have a park out there?

Mm-hmm. I live in another neighborhood where Ashley lives. She has one. But there's just so many geese. There's so many geese and there's goose poop everywhere. And I am, fun fact, I am afraid of geese.

I got chased by geese when I was little because my babysitter at the time like antagonized the geese and they were like mama geese and they had their babies with them. And so. So adoption. Yeah. I was about to get to that.

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm hosting. I'm hosting. Geez. You're right. I apologize. You're doing a great job. Thank you for keeping me on track. But so we'll go ahead and talking about Phil's testimony, we'll go into your testimony.

Adoption in the Home and the Gospel of Being Chosen

If you would like to start and just kind of how that whole thing went down with you. With me being adopted by Shane? Mm-hmm. All right. Do you want to dig into before Shane? Whatever you want to. Whatever you're comfortable with sharing.

I'm game for. All right. Well, my mom was married to my birth dad. I don't know exactly how long. I know that she had all three of us with him and she stayed with him for a little bit afterwards. But they finally separated, which was very, very good.

And she started dating my dad and they got married. And I think I was three. And then I would assume, I would assume Austin was, you know, they were all just kids. I think around 15 and under. So me, I was always the little daddy's girl with Shane because I was still like a baby baby whenever he got me.

And so he ended up adopting us when I was around maybe seven or eight. And at the time, I didn't really think anything of it. You know, me and Shane have never had the best relationship up until these recent, like this recent year.

I was not saved and I did not understand half of the, like half of why they did what they did as parents. And I always would look at him and say, you know, you're not my dad. Like, you're just you're just married to my mom.

And to me, that was something that was like a defense wall that I put up. And for a long time, I just wouldn't let it process in my mind that that was my dad and that was a man who stepped in and adopted us and changed our entire lives.

And he has been there since I can remember. Like most of my memories of my real dad are not good ones. If there are any that are there. But now that I'm in this point where I'm saved and my salvation is set, like I'm in a better place to finally fully understand that.

They were amazing parents and they did have they did have flaws, obviously, like there was a lot of flaws to it, but now that I've had Nova and I'm married to William, I'm like. Yeah, it's I don't know how to explain it.

Nova's birth father is the exact same as my birth father, and William mimics Shane in a way. So it's kind of like the same thing that my mom went through, passed down on to me. Like so we have both kind of been through the same thing.

And now that that's all happened, I've kind of taken a greater appreciation to everything that Shane did. Seeing it in my daughter, knowing that one day whenever she's older and she'll be able to understand it, I don't want her to ever.

Doubt or not be able to trust that what William and I have done for her is in her best interest, and. You know, he's been there since I was like nine weeks pregnant, so he has loved and cared for her since before she was even born.

So him adopting her or being in the process of adopting her. Has been very has been something that is very. Big to me, I have cried about it a lot, the happy tears, I was saying, plus the hormones are still right now, the hormones are still like, yes, he fully understands that part.

But. Yeah, at the time, you know, I just I craved my real dad to be there and wanted and I think most of that was I victimized myself a lot when I should not have. And I made myself feel blame and hurt, and I craved my dad to get better and to do better, and so in a way I kind of pushed Shane out and I was like, I don't want you to be my dad, you're not my dad, you know, and that is something I will probably always kind of have a little bit of regret with.

But ever since I got on the right path and I've started living my life as a child of God, it has all changed, it has all changed, me and him are closer than ever. I've enjoyed watching you grow because I've known you since you were in GA's, which is like first through sixth grade for y 'all who aren't familiar with that, and so to see you actually come to know Christ and to not only make that decision, but also one that benefits your family and you guys taking that role on together and then you guys both getting baptized and saved and like then dedicating Nova in front of the church.

I remember standing, I was actually standing next to Brother Jeff in the back and he's just like getting, he started to cry and I was like, oh my gosh, you're such a baby, you know, like giving him crap about it and he's just like, we had been waiting for this for both of their families for so long and it's just such a beautiful picture to see you guys live according to the way that scripture is in your lives going so much better for you.

The same things that you guys had like growing up, like the issues that you had growing up with like being adopted and then like resenting Shane in a way and like having issues, you know, when I shouldn't have, right.

Yeah. Nova won't have to know those same things and that is one thing that like, you know, my husband and I talk about a lot is like our kids will never have to feel the things that we felt. We're still going to screw up.

I just told my husband, I said, I just don't want to be the reason my kids are in therapy. Oh my goodness. Yeah, it's just like, no, it's always the mom and I'm like, I could just be the dad, it's fine, but it's such a beautiful picture of what Christ does for us and so let's go to, what was it, Ephesians?

I haven't, I'm actually using pastor's Bible, so let me see. It's, I thought I had it bookmarked. Here it is.

While you're looking for it, go for it. Um, what you said about Shane coming in and you being that daddy's girl and like craving that, I was the same way with my stepdad. My stepdad was actually the first person to hold me in the hospital after I was born before he and my mom ever like ever dated or anything like that.

They were all very close family, friends and stuff. And, um, I just, I remember when my, my mom and stepdad got married, I went around the whole wedding day going, we're marrying Stevie today because I was so excited to have that, um, father figure in my life to have him because I knew from the get that he loved me, that he cared for me.

And, uh, then as I grew and realized that my dad was not who I thought he was growing up or who I needed him to be, excuse me. Um, and you know, as a girl, you crave that relationship with your dad. You just do, whether it's your stepdad or your real dad.

Um, and that's something that I struggled with, especially as a teenager as like, why, why can I not be good enough for my dad? And I, I kind of did the same thing. Cause I also have a younger half sister and I saw her relationship with my stepdad.

And so that was hard because while my, my stepdad, I knew he loved me and he cared for me and he wanted to do all these things for me. He and my sister always had a bond over things that I never connected with him with, but there are other things that he and I connect on that.

I get to have those relationships and still have that bond with him that I never had with my dad.

And that's something that I never understood at the time. My real dad got remarried and, um, she already had three kids for, I don't know. She had kids. And he was there for quite a few years with them.

Like they have grown up with them. They're not married anymore. Um, but he still like kind of talks to them and will take them out. And so seeing that, you know, he has not been in my life ever for more than maybe two or three months at a time.

And, um, seeing that from like an outside perspective, I'm like, okay, so you can be a father to them and not me and my brothers. That obviously makes you feel a type of way to make you feel like you're not worthy.

It feels you feel rejected and you feel like you're not worthy enough. And that has played a part into, I have allowed that to play a part into my self image and how I've always kind of felt about anything in relationships.

I mean, me and him are finally at a place where I know my worth with him and I know my worth in God. And that changes. I just cannot stop stressing enough. Like how everything in my life is completely different and all of it is to God.

There is not a single aspect of my life that is not because of God. So it makes me so happy. Like I said, just watching you grow up and then like talking to you and seeing the changes that have happened.

It's just such a blessing to be able to be a part of that. And so, but William, as you've seen, we all had crappy dads growing up. So like the role of fatherhood is such an important one. And I think, well, especially with our society now, there's a lot of absent fathers and it's like sometimes even if your father is present physically, he's absent mentally.

And I mean, that's something that my mom went through growing up. And then like, you know, I had issues with my dad and then my husband has issues with his dad. And I just remember looking at my dad passed away like several years ago and at the funeral, you know, like we got to view him and like I went in privately because I hadn't seen him in like 10 years at this point because we just didn't have a relationship.

And I don't harbor anything against him, you know, for what he did because I don't deserve forgiveness from God. So like he doesn't either, but it's like, but I'm giving him forgiveness because I don't deserve it.

And so I remember looking at him in his casket and just saying, you know, dad, like I'm not mad anymore. Like I still don't understand why you did the things that you did, but it's like, I just know that like my kids will never feel the way that you made me feel.

And so that was the conscious decision that I had that me and my husband were making of like, we are not, not that we're going to like make the same. I don't want to make the same mistakes because I don't want to be like my dad.

It's just like, I want to live according to how scripture calls me to live. And fathers serve such an important role. Like my husband was raised by like all women and the one man, the father figure about that from the church one day.

Yeah. And after DJ was born and one of the, um, his like man father figures was not a good role model at the time. So like he was literally just raised by a bunch of women and it isn't my mom and I were actually talking about it like just yesterday.

She's like, it is a miracle that your husband turned out the way that he did. I said, it really is. It's God. That's, that's all it amounts up to. But, um, so I'm going to read Ephesians if you guys, if you're actually reading or like watching this and not driving like I usually am or walking around the house doing chores, if you want to open your Bibles to Ephesians one, and I'm going to read four through six.

Um, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him and love, he predestined us for adoption and himself as sons through Christ Jesus, according to the purpose of his will to praise, to the praise of his glorious grace with which he blessed us in the beloved.

So William, so William, with your perspective, what was adoption like for you? I mean, coming in as like the outsider, not being the biological father of Nova, how did you step into that role? How did it make you feel like all of that?

Just kind of break that down for us.

Uh, I mean, like y 'all said in the beginning, father figure is very important. Uh, I never thought about it in the way that she isn't mine. Cause I know that, you know, to succeed, you need to have a, a two person household.

You need to have a father, you need to have a mother, uh, cause you benefit from both of those in a way. Uh, so I don't, I really haven't thought about it as in she's always been yours. She's always been mine.

That's the way I think about it. Uh, and he's always said that the only difference is there's no blood connection, but outside of that, that's the only thing that changes anything, but even that doesn't change how he felt about her.

But as she gets older, I know there's going to be some, like the same thing that Kayla went through, like, well, where's my real dad? Like, why doesn't he want me and stuff? And if you think about it, Michaela's lived through that.

So now she has that testimony, that example that she can share with her daughter and we can break that cycle. That way, you know, she is growing up, following God's word, being in a household that follows God's word and all that kind of stuff.

Can I give you guys some advice? Yes, of course.

Always be honest with her. Um, but don't speak illy of, of the father, the biological father, because my husband, like, I won't go too into depth of his testimony just because like, I want him to be able to share that on his own time.

And this is the internet, so this is a little different. Um, but he didn't really have, um, a good, well, an existent relationship with his, his parents, like, and he was about seven and his grandma ended up adopting him.

And so, um, they call his grandma Nini and he's just like, Nini, I just don't understand like why, you know, my parents don't love me. And she goes, they do love you. They're just being selfish right now.

And he said she was always honest, like without having to share like all the adult details with me. So like, I always knew that they loved me, but like, they were just being selfish right now. And now, um, him and his mom have a relationship, but like him and his dad, they just don't.

And, you know, it's nothing like ill between the two of them. It's just non-existent because you have to put forth an effort into a relationship with your child or with your wife or, you know, whomever, whomever you want to have a relationship with, you have to put forth in work.

And so, um, I don't know. I just, I still think it's a beautiful testimony. It's like, even if your grandma adopts you or like in William's case, you know, he adopted your daughter and you guys now have a family.

It's a perfect representation of what scripture says God did for us because like we, we did not deserve his adoption. We did not deserve his grace. We didn't deserve that, but he predestined us before, like I said, before the foundation of the world, we were chosen by him specifically.

And I don't know, I just, I'm like, well, it's amazing. Um, he actually hasn't adopted her yet. Well, you're in the process, but the reason I, the reason I say that is just because he said something this morning about how there are steps to take in order to adopt or become adopted.

Same thing in the Bible. There are steps to take in order to become a child God. And that stuck with me all day. So that's why I wanted to make sure that it was thrown out there that she's still in the process of becoming a, a Dylan.

And like you said, that'll come. I mean, it'll happen. It comes. The only thing that's changed is my signature. If I sign something, I just, it's just such a hassle. But now I think like since COVID, I don't think they make you like go to the social security office or anything anymore.

At least I'm about to say, at least they did it with my sister-in-law. No, she got to do all of her stuff online. And I'm like, I hate you because I had to go down to the one on like Austin P and, you know, like be afraid for my safety and like take a whole day off.

And we're like, no, I was just able to like file paperwork. And I'm like, I freaking hate you. But like, I don't know. I just, I think it's such a beautiful thing that we were not, well, we were originally the way that God created everything.

It was perfect. And then we ruined it. Yeah. And then, so he's like, all right, dingleberries, you have to like, now I have to adopt you back into the family. Now we have to fix this. And he gives us all that option.

Um, but I, I like to think, well, I like the thought that reading that scripture is he chose us. He picked us, he handpicked us and he has a purpose for us. And, um, that was honestly one thing I started praying for when I found out we were having, you know, a baby last year.

And then like, when I specifically knew that he was a boy, is that like, whether he's predestined to be one of God's children or not, like that's up to God. It's like, I've given him over Donovan and I have given him over to, um, God and it's like, use him however you see fit.

And, um, I'm excited, but nervous to see, because just the way that the world's going, you don't know how it's going to be, you know, when our kids are grown. And, but I think we have such a good church family and we're just going to marry all of our kids off to each other's kids.

So it's like, everybody's calling Emmett, Nova's boyfriend. So already I'm trying to think who I'm trying to take you are in the same room. Somebody's like, Oh, good. That's the boyfriend and girlfriends.

And I'm like, she is two months old. Calm down. People slow down. It starts, it starts early. I think, um, our son is with Colleen. Cause she's only a couple of months behind him or, um, Noah, Chris's baby.

My God, I should probably be a lot taller. Wasn't Davidson with, um, Nadine. I think so. I don't know. We're just all going to marry all the babies together. Yeah. We're just all going to marry off our kids to each other's kids.

And so it's just like, have this one big group of people, but, um, okay. So let's go ahead and do Exodus 1248.

And then that's what I was going to say is, um, you were talking about how she's yours in every way, but, but blood and what she's about to read. That's exactly what, when the Israelites left, um, Egypt, there were a lot of people in families and stuff that went with them that were not Israel, but what they were done, what, what God said was, you know, get them circumcised and then they're to be treated no different because then they are part of our people.

And that's crazy. They came with like different cultures and customs and everything. And they were taken out of their homeland to escape. And then they were adopted into God's family. Like you said, you had to follow, I want to say like a ritual, but for lack of better terms, a ritual in order to go through that process to set yourself.

Apart, that was the whole point of circumcision in the Old Testament was to be set apart, um, as part of God's people. So just the fact that they were able to do that and then they're not treated any different.

They are, they are Israelites at that point, just like Nova is your daughter at that point, because you are taking responsibility for her. You are, um, you are the head of the household and I just, that is just beautiful to me because she'll know no different.

And that's, that's beautiful. That's what I'm hoping.

Well, and it's, well, and two, it's a perfect reflection of what God says in His word and you guys are doing that. And so she won't see hypocrisy in that. And so as long as you guys live in the mindset of, like I said earlier, it's like, Oh, I don't want to be, you know, like my parents or whatever, like whatever failures they made or mistakes that they made.

If you just look at it, like, I'm just going to live according to scripture. It's going to be a game changer because everyone messes up as parents, we are going to mess up. And like I said, we're probably going to be the reason our kids go to therapy and you know, it is what it is, but my goal is to not be the reason.

They're going to wonder where their mom goes once a week. Therapy, therapy, because I don't want to make y 'all have to come through it. I will, I will take on the burden, but I just think it's such a beautiful reflection.

And like I said, she won't see hypocrisy in the household like that. And that will be kind of a beautiful part of her story and her testimony too. Um, so going off what Elena said, um, Exodus 12, 48. Um, so the Israelites and everyone just escaped, um, Egypt and now they're going, you know, through, well, they're not the desert at this point.

They're just escaping.

Have they crossed the. It's right after Passover. Okay. Okay. As they're exiting.

So it says, if a stranger shall sojourn with you and would keep the Passover to the Lord, let all of his males be circumcised. Then he may come near and keep it shall. I'm sorry. He shall be as a native of the land, but no uncircumcised persons shall eat of it.

So it says you need to become circumcised, like you said, to be set apart. But if you are not uncircumcised, then you shall not eat of it. And so it's just like, you can't, you have to do this in order to partake into the Passover, if you want to fall within that family.

Sure. Um, and so, I don't know. I just think you guys have such a beautiful, beautiful story. And I don't know.