September 4, 2020 Show with Dr. Jason Lisle on “Taking Back Astronomy”

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You have, after trying many times over the years to get our guest booked on this program, I am so thrilled to have today, for the very first time, Dr. Jason Lyle, a Christian astrophysicist, a popular speaker and author, and founder of Biblical Science Institute, also known as BSI.

Today we are going to address the theme, which is also the title of one of his books, Taking Back Astronomy, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio for the first time ever, Dr. Jason Lyle.

Well, thanks for having me on.

Well, thank you, brother, and I want to thank Denise Toth, your assistant, for doing all the hard behind-the-scenes work to get this arranged, and also for doing so much publicity for this interview.

And first of all, before we go into some of your own background and the theme at hand, tell us about the Biblical Science Institute.

Well, I founded it three years ago, and the accurate, that notion, in fact, rests in the light of the Christian...

Praise God. And for anybody who wants more information on the Biblical Science Institute, BSI...

Yeah, check us out. Yeah, check us out on the website, biblicalscienceinstitute .com.

Biblicalscienceinstitute .com, and I'm sure we'll be repeating that throughout the program. And there is a treasure trove of information and resources there on all things scientific from a young-earth Christian perspective, young-earth creationist Christian perspective.

And now I would like to have you give us some of your personal story. As you know, on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, we have a tradition. Whenever we have a first-time guest on this program, we have them give a summary of their salvation testimony, including what kind of religious atmosphere, if any, they were raised in, and what kind of providential circumstances did our Lord, our Sovereign Lord, raise up in their lives that drew them to Himself and saved them.

So I'd like you to do the same.

Happy to do that. I am very blessed to have been reared by Christian parents. And the interesting thing, too, is the way that they're—I think when they were married, they were not believers. And when they were very young, I could probably get Scott, the Lord and Savior, he would save me.

And so I did that when I was very young. And just going through the school system, I'm going to doubt that. I've certainly had people. That's why I founded the Biblical Science Institute. I remember, I remember reading about, you know, so that started my path down that we do at Biblical Science Institute.

Oh, praise God. I always love not only hearing about the dramatic conversion stories of people who were living far from God, living rebellious, satanic lives who were radically transformed. But I also love hearing about God's preserving mercy and grace in the lives of those who were raised in Christian homes and who God has spared from those things.

I think an equally remarkable story to hear, especially in the 21st century.

Yes. Praise God for boring testimony.

Well, I don't find it boring at all. As I just said, I think it's equally as amazing, especially when you remember the current situation of young people today and this age of rioting and all kinds of violence being perpetuated by even the youngest of teenagers among us.

And I just praise God to hear stories like yours. Now, when did this fascination and love for science begin in your life?

Also very young. As far back as I can remember, really, I liked the passion. Again, praise God for that as well. And what comes under the umbrella of the.

Duties, the responsibilities, the knowledge, the categories of science? What comes under the umbrella of astrophysicist?

Well, basically anything beyond Earth. And so it's an enormous field in solar physics for a number of reasons. But that's something that has always been fascinating to me. But I like other things about astronomy as well, things like space.

I find it very interesting. But anything dealing with...

Well, I wish my late dad, my father who passed in 1998, I wish he could hear our interview today because my dad worked for Grumman Aviation and later Grumman Aerospace. He helped. He was on the team that designed the lunar module.

Oh, wow.

And he was also very key in the development even before that of the thrust reverse that every jet has to slow it down when it lands. And...

Okay, yeah.

My father obviously had a great love and passion for all things aviation and aerospace. He was, in fact, in the Army Air Corps in World War II, trained to be a glider pilot. And thankfully, he got pneumonia because if he did not get pneumonia, it would be a very good, very strong likelihood I wouldn't be sitting here because many if not most glider pilots perished because they were basically going on suicide missions.

So I just thought I'd share that bit of information with you because it makes conversations like this even more important to me due to the connection to my dad. Yes. Well, you've written this book that we're going to be addressing today, Taking Back Astronomy.

Who are you taking astronomy back from?

From the secularists who have tried to use astronomy inappropriately to try and convince people to give it back to the Lord.

And what are the arguments, the typical major arguments that a secularist scientist would use to deny creation? I know it's ironic that they will very often bring up something like the Big Bang, but they offer no believable or logical explanation on how the Big Bang even happened, if it did at all, without some kind of architect, some kind of a superior being or a being that existed prior to the existence of everything else to start this Big Bang.

But tell us about what kind of arguments they would even have.

Yeah, I think a lot of secularists have the impression that religion and the whole idea of scientific process, the incorrect philosophy, I think that they have. And you'll hear this when they say things like, well, you know, people used to believe that God what we call natural force is the means.

And so once you get rid of that underlying philosophy, then they have, then they try to go to showing evidence that.

What compels our brothers in Christ, who are old earth creationists, to reject what you're saying in that regard, obviously, they are creationists of some form. But, you know, we have brothers and sisters in Christ who believe in the inerrancy of scripture.

They passionately defend the fact that the scriptures are God breathed right alongside us. They believe that the Word of God is the sole inerrant authority over the church. And yet, these folks, many of whom are scientists or just fans of science, they would not only disagree with you, but they might also reach the level of mockery, of rage and anger, as I've experienced.

There are old earth creationists out there, who have actually reached the point in their opposition to young earth creationism, that they say we are sending souls to hell, because we are driving especially the youth away from the church, because as the youth enter into high school and college, and they start hearing their professors very eloquently discuss, and in their minds, truthfully, that the earth is billions of years old, that when they hear folks like you, and like every other young earth creationist Christian, the kids are like, these people are morons, they're neanderthals, for lack of a better term, or pardon the pun, I should say.

They just think that our stupidity in their minds is driving the youth straight through the gates of hell. And so, why are they so enamored with the science of those that hate God? I mean, what about it seems to be.

Totally believable and provable? Well, I think one of the, I think the two together, they don't realize it. They get intimidated. We get intimidated. It's not a good argument. Why do you believe that?

I'm a scientist. I'm an example. Why is it that you think...

But the actual scientists who say these things, like, I'll give you an example. Um, and by the way, I want to make it clear that I have friends, good friends, and even I've had enjoyable interviews on this program with old earth creationists.

So I don't want to paint them all with some kind of a hateful, bigoted, snobbish brush. In fact, one of my dearest friends, one of my oldest Christian friends is Ken Samples from Reasons to Believe, who's an old earth creationist.

And he's never, at least in my presence, come across with that snobbery or even dared to make the kind of accusations that other old earth creationists have. But one of the, one of the arguments I've personally heard from an old earth creationist is that it's especially seen that there is lacking academic backing and scholarship amongst young earth creationists in the field of geology.

That there are really no, uh, accredited, uh, real renowned and, uh, prestigious geologists that anybody looks up to in any way who believes in a young earth. How do you respond to that?

He was my boss, actually, when I worked with Answers in Genesis. There's others. My point is Christian.

Yeah. And of course, uh, it's hardly, uh, fair to, to use that as your litmus test for truth when people could very easily and often do have their careers destroyed when they break from the narrative of, of the secular science and a belief in an old earth and all that.

That's quite right. They get amply demonstrated. And, but you know, the interesting thing, you know, you know, the astronomy, in other words, they, it was in a geology club. How do you know radiometric dating is reliable?

The geologists have encountered this many times. Yeah. I'm amazed that anybody from academia, perhaps I shouldn't be amazed,.

But would use argumentation like that. That is really so circular. It's laughably absurd.

Yeah. It's like, uh, yeah, they don't realize it's circular because they don't realize the geologist who relies on the, everybody thinks everybody else has the, usually the fruit or sugar, but. Hey, it reminds me, uh, many years ago when I heard, uh, a debate,.

Uh, between, uh, I think it might've been, uh, two or more debaters on each team, but there were Roman Catholics, Roman Catholic apologists who were debating, uh, fundamentalists, uh, evangelicals were actually, obviously these fundamentals would never call themselves evangelicals, but they were fundamentalist Christians.

And when the Catholics posed them with the question, how do you know Matthew wrote the gospel of Matthew and Mark wrote the gospel of Mark and Luke wrote the gospel of Luke and John wrote the gospel of John.

Uh, the answer was, well, that's because it says it right here in the index of my King James Bible. I mean, obviously being a born again believer and a Protestant, I was, uh, I cringed with horror hearing this.

I am a former Roman Catholic, by the way. And, uh, I am also, uh, quite disparaged by the fact that as a lover of science as a young man, uh, and a, uh, student in Catholic parochial schools for eight years, this would have been not very long after Vatican II, uh, when the Catholic church started to really become officially liberal.

Uh, I was taught in my science class in Catholic school by a, uh, a secular teacher who they called, uh, or should I say a non-religious teacher or a non-ordained teacher? It wasn't a nun or a priest.

Uh, they called them lay teachers. Um, I was taught by our science teacher that everything you read in the Bible about the origins of the earth and man are fairy tales. Don't believe them. We evolved from apes and the earth is billions of years old.

I can remember, uh, being quite shocked as a child to hear these things. Uh, but, uh, it is a tragedy, uh, that, that you hear things like that, uh, coming from, uh, places where they, they shouldn't belong.

Yeah, indeed. Uh, we have to go to our first break right now. If anybody wants to join us on the air with your own question for Dr. Jason Lyle, please, uh, send an email to chrisarenzen at gmail .com.

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Welcome back. This is Chris Arms and if you just tuned this in, our guest today for the full two hours with a little less than 90 minutes to go is Dr. Jason Lyle. He's an astrophysicist and he is the founder of Biblical Science Institute, also known as BSI, and just as a reminder, you can find out more about the Biblical Science Institute at biblicalscienceinstitute .com.

Today we are addressing the theme of his book, Taking Back Astronomy. Our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com. Chrisarnsen at gmail .com. As always, give us your first name, at least your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA.

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Before I ask any real questions, our mutual friend Dr. James R. White of Alpha and Omega Ministries has a question. I'm amazed at the shallowness of his question, knowing of the brilliance that his skull possesses, but he says, ask Dr. Lyle about his glow-in-the-dark picture of Albirio.

Oh yeah, James White, he took a picture of it. I introduced James White to Albirio, it was wonderful. Well, thank you for wasting some of our valuable time, Dr. White.

And let me go to some authentic questions here. We have Lou from Sharpsburg, Georgia, excited about today's interview. Also, your ministry has been a tremendous blessing in my life. Does your ministry sell, or could you recommend a telescope to view God's awesome creation?

Also, where would I be able to obtain an accurate guide to help me understand what.

Celestial bodies I'm viewing? Oh, perfect objects that you might want to get. I like all you want to get, it will depend on, you have to push it. Great, well, Lou, thank you for your.

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We have a first-time listener, or at least a first-time questioner, Caleb with a K, in Warsaw, Indiana, and he says, how do you think the universe was created given the vast physical dimensions? I've heard an idea involving a white hole, but I'm not sure if or how it could be tested.

That's an interesting question for a person like you, who believes that God is the creator of all things and could, without any effort on his part, create anything millions and billions and trillions the size of the planet Earth, but if you could answer Caleb's question.

Yeah, it seems to me, I think he's asking.

About the distance, you can see these distances, and that's not, one analogy, different locations, and you can do something like that in space, and so light can leave, and yeah, that is a very.

Frequently cited argument against young Earth, not only from a secular atheist who's a scientist or a fan of science, but also an old Earth Christian scientist. Yes, but probably not if they're.

Knowledgeable of relativistic physics. I don't think anyone who is...

Well, if I was going to lose listeners, I would have droven them away by myself a long time ago. So the title, The Science of Einstein, is that it? The Physics of Einstein. The Physics of Einstein, I'm assuming it's titled that because your claims in the book support Einstein's physics, or Einstein's physics support your arguments, is that why it's called that?

Yeah, yeah, because it's wonderful, it's just a, who would have guessed that God would, and as it happens, which is how you define what now...

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Do you consider those who hold to that old earth position within the fold? I assume he means as your brothers in Christ. Obviously, you'll have to give an abbreviated answer to what he is asking, for the sake of time, but what is the very best?

Maybe just narrow it down to one or two.

Perfectly honest. I'm sorry, but I mean, I would be perfect. I think most people want the best arguments, and also I have heard that understanding Genesis is the best argument of astrophysics. Well, Abram, thank you so much for the excellent question,.

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