May 21, 2021 Show with Dr. Owen Strachan on “Christianity & Wokeness: How the Social Justice Movement is Hijacking the Gospel & the Way to Stop It”

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Proverbs chapter 27 verse 17 tells us iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. Matthew Henry said that in this passage we are cautioned to take heed with whom we converse and directed to have in view in conversation to make one another wiser and better.

It is our hope that this goal will be accomplished over the next two hours, and we hope to hear from you, the listener, with your own questions. And now here's your host, Chris Arnzen.

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Before I introduce my special guest today and the topic we are going to address, I just want to announce some sad news to my listeners. Perhaps some of my listeners, especially those that have been listening for many years going back to 2005 when I first launched this program on WNYG radio and WGBB radio in New York, perhaps those faithful long-time listeners will remember the name Fern Hill, who has been interviewed on this program most often alongside of her husband, Jerry.

They were co-founders of the Timothy Hill Children's Ranch in Riverhead, Long Island, New York, one of my favorite charities that I've been supporting for many years. In fact, in the 1980s, I was their very first winner of their volunteer of the year award.

And this is a home for abused and abandoned children and orphans in Riverhead, Long Island. For most of its existence, it was exclusively for young boys, but they not long ago established a separate facility for young girls.

Well, it was very sad news merely minutes before going on the air today that I heard that Fern Hill, at 86 years of age, went home to eternity with the Lord and Savior that she so faithfully served for most of those 86 years.

It was on Monday, she peacefully passed away in her sleep. And I just ask of you to pray for the Hill family as they attempt to manage to move on without the physical presence of their precious mother.

What a godly influence this woman has been to so many, an incalculable number of people. She has mentored an incalculable number of women and has been an inspiration to an incalculable number of both men and women for decades, including me.

And it is with great sadness that I heard of her departure. But of course, when a Christian at 86 years of age has got a reputation for being one of these stellar disciples of Christ that you hear about whose lives have just been marked with humility and unwavering service to their Lord, God, Savior and King, of course, remaining a sinner, Fern would always remind you of what a sinner she was and that she was saved by the mercy and grace of our Lord and Savior.

But amongst us here on this earth, she was certainly someone who stood out as such a godly and precious woman and a dear and sweet woman. And I will miss her greatly personally. As I said, please pray for the Hill family.

Pray especially for her husband, Jerry. He, not long ago, suffered from a stroke. So it's going to be obviously more difficult for him to get along without his faithful companion and bride assisting him.

And I am so delighted that providentially I interviewed Fern only days after Jerry had his stroke because they were both going to be on the program together. I providentially interviewed Fern for the last time on December 3rd, 2020.

I'm so glad I did. In fact, that program will be a rerun this Monday on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio. And I hope that you listen to it and I hope you spread word about it. There is going to be a memorial service this Saturday on the grounds of the Timothy Hill Children's Ranch.

And if anybody wants to find out more information, if you live locally, especially how you could attend that memorial service or how you can contribute to the Timothy Hill Children's Ranch in honor of Fern, you can go to timothyhill .org, timothyhill .org.

Dr. Owen Strachan and Christianity and Wokeness

And now let me introduce someone who I have loved interviewing already on this program. And I am honored and privileged to be interviewing him again today. His name is Dr. Owen Strand. If you're trying to Google that name, it is not spelled anything like you would expect.

His last name is spelled S-T-R-A-C-H-A-N. And he is the provost and research professor of theology at a seminary known as Grace Bible Theological Seminary in Arkansas, Conway, Arkansas, to be exact, which was established by my friend, Pastor Jeffrey D. Johnson, the pastor of the church that hosts that seminary.

And today we are going to be addressing a vital book that will be in print, God willing, next month, called Christianity and Wokeness, how the social justice movement is hijacking the gospel and the way to stop it.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Trip and Zion Radio, Dr. Owen Strand.

Thank you so much, Chris. Great to be back with you. Appreciate it.

Amen. And we're also going to be plugging a conference that Owen will be featured as one, where Owen will be featured as one of the speakers. This is the Wokeness and the Gospel Conference in Denton, Texas, to be held at the Denton Bible Church, June 11th and 12th.

And God willing, I will be manning an exhibitor's booth there for Iron Trip and Zion Radio. I'm really excited about this trip. Having never spent a full day in Texas before, I've only been there on a layaway at the airport, and never ventured outside the airport.

So I will be there for an extended stay, even longer than the conference, because my oldest brother, John, lives about 20 minutes away, providentially, from where this conference will be held. And I ask for your continued prayers for John, my oldest brother, 76 years old.

He is not a believer, and he has cancer, and he has critical stage emphysema, and he has an inoperable aneurysm. So someone in that condition who is not a believer certainly needs prayer. Pray that I can effectively minister to him with the love and tenderness of Jesus Christ, and enable me to not be ashamed of the gospel when I speak with him.

So please continue to pray for John. But I will be giving you more details about wokeness and the gospel very soon. So tell us, I know that you haven't actually begun your post, you haven't begun serving in your new post as provost and research professor of theology at Grace Bible Theological Seminary in Conway, Arkansas yet.

That's something that I believe is taking place next month. So tell us about your decision to leave a very large and highly esteemed seminary, Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, to take upon this new position.

Yeah, I appreciate the question. I'm very thankful for six great years at Midwestern Seminary here in Kansas City, and five years at Southern. The context and indicated that adding a faculty and that really a very training in the local church.

Now many people that might think, oh, okay, that's neat. He like held in the basement.

Not that there would be anything wrong with that.

Not that there's anything wrong with that at all. Definitely not. There are many good works, many good extension centers for get trained through those centers. So we're thankful for them. Very nicely done with it.

And then function or role to play in the kingdom of Christ and the training of pastor. Praise God.

Well, I am excited for you. And in fact, I know someone who is excited to explore possibly getting long distance training from this theological institute, this seminary. A pastor sends his greetings from North Dakota named Josh Fryman.

He is in awe of your work and has been following you for quite some time and making use of the gifts that God has given you to bless others from his pulpit and elsewhere. Josh Fryman is pastor of the New Testament Baptist Church in Laramore, North Dakota.

And he sends his greetings to you in our audience. And I highly recommend Pastor Josh Fryman. In fact, he almost became my pastor while he was still pastoring on Long Island, New York in Eastern Suffolk County.

And God had other plans and I moved to Pennsylvania. And he providentially also had other plans. God had other plans for Pastor Josh. And he moved to North Dakota to accept the call at the New Testament Baptist Church there.

But I just want to give a plug for his congregation. The website is Laramore, L-A-R-I-M-O-R-E-N-T-B-C .org. That's N-T-B-C for New Testament Baptist Church .org. And we are going to be interviewing Pastor Josh, just to let you know, next month.

If you want to mark your calendars for Monday, the 28th of June, God willing. So we are excited to have Pastor Josh back on the program. And I want to also make sure that our listeners have the website for the seminary there, the New Seminary, where you are going to be using your gifts and serving God's people.

That is, as I was saying before, Grace Bible Theological Seminary in Conway, Arkansas. G-B-T Seminary .org. G-B-T for Grace Bible Theological Seminary .org. And we'll hopefully remember to repeat that information later on.

We are going to be addressing, a lot of people are probably saying, wow, Chris Arnzen is doing another interview on the heresies of the Wokeness Movement. Because I've been doing a lot of them with very qualified men who have written books, or who have just become very knowledgeable about the issue.

Or perhaps they are also fellow speakers, along with Dr. Strand, at the upcoming Wokeness in the Gospel Conference. And some people might think that I'm beating a dead horse. But Dr. Strand, don't you think that this issue is so serious, that you really cannot be guilty of sounding the alarm and blowing the trumpet too loudly and too often to warn the Church about its existence, can you?

No, this is not God bless to Him. It's not that there are no others that rise to the fore and that demand attention. There are many things to be aware of. Truly, if you are in ministry of any kind, a member of a local church, you have to be watching at all times.

You have to obey in 1613 and 5 .8. Peter knows what it means to need to be on the alert. Peter knows what it is like to be taken. He denied his Lord that there are things we have to watch out for. You think about this in light of the Old Testament motif of the watchman.

In the city of High Wall, there would be men who would keep the night watch, and they would not sleep. They literally would not sleep through the night. They'd be walking on the wall, and if there was any threat, they had to sound the alarm.

There's no one else. There's no one else up there to sound the alarm. Well, we don't live in a walled city in an Israelite theocracy now to be watchful, to watch that ungodly ideologies, which are ever 3 .5 out there, and they seek playing nice.

They're not. And Paul teaches as it even seeps into.

Yeah, one of the reasons why this issue, this heresy, is so serious is that it has invaded and has captivated the hearts and minds of people who were not long ago considered to be among the modern-day heroes of Reformed theology.

Yeah.

Men who would stand by our side, declaring a nearly identical message to you and I, and to Pastor Jeff Johnson on the core issues of the Scriptures, especially. And then, in fact, not only that, but men who, some of whom were on this very radio program only nine years ago, who were actually in their interviews openly condemning the mindset that is now a prevalent theme and apologetic for the woke movement.

So this is one of the reasons why it's mind-boggling Reformed churches, over the centuries, one of the greatest errors that entered in the ranks of Reformed Christians was hyper-Calvinism, and it still exists to, I think, a small degree.

I think it's a minority for sure in the Reformed faith or in the Reformed churches globally. And you also had churches that began as Reformed, and institutions, some of the Ivy League schools that began as Reformed institutions driven by Puritan thought and theology, who became apostate and liberal and leftist, but it wasn't because of their Reformed theology, it was because they abandoned it.

Yes.

But this, other than those two very serious areas, this seems to be the most profound intrusion and invasion of false teaching of the Reformed faith in history, isn't it?

I cannot think of a more direct attack. You have to go in the 1920s and 30s, ending years of as we can identify, and I think on Protestant liberating in the 1970s, I'm anti-liberal, and that is a real trend that continues into the current movements, like trying to get into the way there are the oppressed, who are black people.

We are going to be learning more about exactly what the woke movement is in greater detail when we return from the break. If you have a question for Dr. Owen Strand on this issue, please submit your question via email to ChrisArnzen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com.

Please give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, your country of residence, if you live outside of the USA. Please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter, like, for instance, if you have great concerns over woke ideology entering into your own church, into your own pulpit where your pastor is supposed to be opening up the Word of God.

Perhaps you're even a pastor and you have serious concerns about this creeping into your own congregation or denomination. You might even be at odds with your fellow elders over it. We understand that that would be reasons why you might want to remain anonymous.

But if it's just a general question on this very serious issue, please give us at least your first name, your city and state, and your country of residence. Don't go away. We'll be right back with Dr. Owen Strand right after these messages from our sponsors.

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Welcome back. This is Chris Arnzen. If you just tuned us in, our guest for the full program today is Dr. Owen Strand, Provost and Research Professor of Theology at Grace Bible Theological Seminary in Conway, Arkansas.

We are addressing his latest book, Christianity and Wokeness, How the Social Justice Movement is Hijacking the Gospel and the Way to Stop It. We're also announcing the Wokeness and the Gospel conference, and I hope that you join Dr. Strand and I and other speakers.

Not that I'm one of the speakers. I'll be manning an exhibitor's booth there, but Dr. Strand is one of the speakers, among others. And of course, you'll be hearing the ads for that conference, not only today but every day until the day of the conference.

You can find out more details about that conference at wokenessandgospel .org, wokenessandgospel .org. But for the sake of those who may be listening to this program, especially for the first time, it seems I have people discovering this program every day, judging from the emails I'm getting every day.

Can you please define what wokeness means and what social justice means and what critical race theory means?

Questions, Chris. Dynamic. I apologize. So I have nothing but fire for them otherwise. So economic oppression is what they targeted in the 19th century. They looked at wealthy people and said, wealthy people are what we need to do.

And their movement was a successful idea in the history of applied in the 20th century, targeted the bourgeoisie. And now it's targeted. And those who benefit on Pinterest, then you're going to think, oh, that sounds good.

Justice, biblical justice is retributive fundamentally. When they get their just due, this is all about a theorist or a scholar of what's called intersectionality. That's another can of worms we can talk about.

They're going to assume that they're doing reality. They do life matters, including the ground from which these ideas to be woke means that you're awake to all of this. You see that American society is not fundamentally equal.

It's not fundamentally true with white supremacy. And when you are woke, you become a social justice. So the riots we saw last summer, you know, people rioting in social order, white supremacy.

Well, I know some of my listeners may roll their eyes as I repeat something that I've said many times about this subject. But one of the things that boggles my mind personally, when I hear very biblically literate and theologically astute and sound scholarly brethren who have come to embrace this garbage.

They must know that the Jewish people in the scriptures had been tormented and persecuted and enslaved and tortured and murdered for centuries by the Gentile pagans. And yet, when we enter into the new covenant, they were not given the Jewish Christians who were the first of the Christians.

They were not given some kind of a liberty or even duty to view the Gentiles who had come to Christ in some different way, a lesser way, where they viewed the Gentiles as owing them something from the past persecution they experienced.

In fact, the Apostle Paul obviously was so infuriated by that idea that was coming in to the church or that existed in the church, the early church, that he even rebuked the Apostle Peter in front of a number of other brothers and sisters in Christ, rebuking him for even contemplating, let alone participating, in that mindset where they were refusing, the Jewish Christians were refusing to even eat with Gentiles.

Isn't that just a clear evidence that there is no basis, that alone other than many other things, isn't that a clear basis on which Christians can say there is no excuse for any Bible-believing Christian to believe and participate in, let alone lead, a woke or social justice warrior movement?

Yes. Yes. That's right, Chris. I mean, seriously, what you just said is—and all kinds of questions you mentioned, real even pay everybody and have everybody in the church bring their grievances, money, but the appropriate—you're going to need to figure out how each person and each situation—people on the other side—and then you're going to have to sort that out, not only a period of, you know, a few hours, when you—over years.

They're going to get—that's how powerful the cross is.

We have RJ in White Plains, New York, who says, I have heard glowing reports about Votie Baucom's book, Fault Lines, the social justice movement and evangelicalism's looming catastrophe. And I've also heard Chris Arnzen, the host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, interview John Harris on social justice goes to church, the new left in modern American evangelicalism, and Jerry Boyer on what Jesus really said about social justice economics.

I don't know if you're familiar with these other books, but has your book taken a different approach or provided different information than these books contain?

That's a good question, and I appreciate it. I endorsed Votie's book, Fault Lines, unwoke, but either book, without getting too much into the details. I know most of Fault Lines is a—and Chris, the right stand in being a bestseller, a part of evangelicalism, and hand them out like a canstematic presentation of that ideology, and then you need a systematic Christ-driven refutation of it.

And there are different books that make different contributions, and I'm very thankful for them. That's what my book tries to do.

Well, I'm glad you finally got around to plugging your own book. And I want to give a shout out to Salem Books for having the integrity and courage to publish both Dr. Owen Strand's book, Christianity and Wokeness, and Votie Baucom's book, Fault Lines.

And by the way, RJ, you have to be patient because it's not in print yet, but our dear friend Katie Anderson at Salem Books has promised that we will get a limited number of giveaway books—giveaway copies of Christianity and Wokeness by Dr. Strand that you will receive in July as soon as we get them, and Cumberland Valley Bible Book Services will be shipping these books out.

That's CVBBS .com. We thank our friends at Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service for always shipping out the winners in our audience, the Bibles and books that they win by submitting questions to the program.

And we are praying that Votie is well enough to come onto the program. In fact, Salem Books and Regenery Publishing were working on an interview—getting an interview set up. Timothy Peterson was very instrumental in that of Salem Books to get Votie on the show, but that was before Votie had his quadruple bypass surgery, which I'm asking our listeners to please pray for Votie.

He is one of the speakers that was scheduled at the G3 conference, where I'm going to be manning an exhibitor's booth this fall in Atlanta, Georgia, and he has had a question mark put next to his name because obviously now it's not certain whether he will have regained the energy and health that he requires to still participate.

But pray that he is fully recovered, not only so we can be blessed, those of us who attend the G3 conference, and that I could be blessed with another interview with him. It was so much of an extraordinary blessing to see him and hear him speak before his health setback here in Pennsylvania, where he gave a remarkable series of lectures at a conference on social justice and critical race theory, and if anybody wants the audio or video of that presentation or those presentations, plural, send me an email to chrisarnson at gmail .com, and I'll try to get a hold of them myself from this church in Pennsylvania that hosted this conference.

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To see greater things in His design. Thank you. Anchored in Truth Ministries is the mission arm of Grace Life Church of the Shoals. Based in Alabama, it supports missionaries in over 13 countries around the world.

Anchored in Truth is in partnership with 36 church plants, as well as radio stations, theological seminaries, and various programs for unreached people groups. With an aim to glorify God and reach the nations with the gospel, it is a blessing to see how God has used Anchored in Truth in so many different contexts globally, as well as locally.

To find out more about this vital work worldwide, visit anchoredintruth .org. As host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, I frequently get.

Requests from listeners for church recommendations. A church I've been strongly recommending as far back as the 1980s is Grace Covenant Baptist Church in Flemington, New Jersey, pastored by Alan Dunn.

Grace Covenant Baptist Church believes it's God's prerogative to determine how he shall be worshipped and how he shall be represented in the world. They believe churches need to turn to the Bible to discover what to include in worship and how to worship God in spirit and truth.