F4F | Discerning Sound Biblical Doctrine vs Subjective Theologizing

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Welcome to another installment of Fighting for the Faith. My name is Chris Roseboro. I am your servant in Jesus Christ.
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This is the channel that compares what people are saying in the name of God to the Word of God. Alright, today's episode we're gonna be listening to somebody who is obviously false.
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It's kind of like way out there, super obvious. So rather than playing a game of discernment called
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Captain Obvious, which I don't think helps y 'all, what we're going to do instead is we're going to ask simple questions like, what is the primary issue here?
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What is the major problem? Why is this going astray? And the idea here is that by exposing you to somebody who's like obviously wrong, that you can sit there and go, okay,
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I learned the lesson about how to spot that this person's wrong, but in the future, when
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I run into somebody who's doing the same thing, doesn't matter how popular they are, that when you run into somebody who's doing the same thing, you should be able to have enough discernment to go, oh no, that's wrong.
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So here's kind of the major rubric that we're gonna be working with here today. There is a difference between sound biblical doctrine and personal theologizing.
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Personal theologizing is subjective, and what it does is it attempts to subvert the actual meaning of Scripture by asserting your opinions and your theologizing and your speculations, and making them the criteria for determining what you believe the
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Bible is saying, rather than you listening to what the Bible says and you changing your beliefs accordingly.
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This kind of the standard way in which this manifests itself, if we were to think about this, is have you ever been to a
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Bible study where what happens is the Bible study leader reads out one or two verses out of context, and then says, let's pray, and then after saying the word just like 500 times, like,
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Lord, we just want to thank you for the word just, Lord, and then after that, they then begin to work their way around the room by asking this question, what does this verse mean to you?
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This is no way of determining the truth of Scripture. Far from it. This is a way of completely missing the point of the biblical text altogether, and what it does is it exalts your feelings, your thoughts, your experiences, and it exalts them above the
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Scriptures. And here's where the sneaky little trick is, is that in the United States in particular, we live in a society where we have the right to freedom of speech, and along with the right of freedom of speech is the right to having your own opinions.
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And so, I mean, that's kind of the whole point, freedom of speech. I'm going to share with you what I think, but in the kingdom of Christ, yeah,
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Christ is king. I know that that phrase is like super charged, get over it,
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I'm not speaking of it in the Nazi way, this is, I'm just talking about the fact that the universe is run by a king, patriarch,
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Jesus, okay? In the kingdom of Christ, your opinions amount to nothing. You do not have freedom of opinion when it comes to what
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God has revealed. You are free to believe it. You are free to disagree with it, but when you disagree with it, you're disagreeing with Christ.
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But what happens in the visible church is there are people who want to stay within the visible church and make it appear like their opinions and their rejection and their opposition to what the
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Bible says, they shroud it in pious -sounding language, which then that people sit there and go, well maybe that's what the
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Bible means here, when in fact, far from it, like not even close.
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So case in point, what we're gonna do here, let me let me whirl up the desktop, and yeah, it's really cold outside right now, so I thought, yeah, we'll show a photograph
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I took of some hoarfrost, but let's whirl up the web browser. So we're gonna head to MCC Toronto.
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This is about as liberal of a church, woke, you get the idea. And this guy, the
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Reverend Dr. Brent Hawks, the best way I can describe him is that he's like a theological dinosaur, and what
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I mean by that is that it's very clear that he is very heavily influenced by modernist liberalism.
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Modernist liberalism within liberal circles has fallen out of favor and has been replaced with postmodern liberalism.
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That's not the point of this video, but understand there is a distinction. It's very clear that in his theological training, he was trained by modernist liberals, and so this is one of those
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LGBTQXYZLMLP churches, and they're all about whatever the the liberal agenda is, but he's going to be taking issue with the word
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Savior, and how he does it, again, you're gonna know, it's going to be obviously wrong, but how he does it is exactly how many others do it, and in fact, some people you may actually listen to who are popular as Christian influencers or people on YouTube or things like this, but they're guilty of doing the same thing.
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It's just that they're not as obviously wrong because they may be theologically conservative, and as a result of that, you might respect their opinions.
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But the problem is is that when it comes to the Word of God, we're not allowed to theologize.
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We are to preach the Word, and we are to preach it as it's already taught. Your opinions are not allowed to rise to the level of Christian doctrine within Christ's Church.
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That's outside of the rules. So you got to remember, as Christians, you may have citizenship in a country which allows for freedom of speech.
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In Christ's kingdom, your dual citizenship, freedom of theologizing, freedom of opinion when it comes to biblical doctrines, biblical truth, that's not a freedom you have.
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You are free to be wrong, but you're wrong and you're gonna be called to repentance. So all that being said, what we're gonna do, we're gonna listen to part of this, and you know, hat tip to Protestia.
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They were the ones who found this, and I was able to find it through their social media channel, but I thought it'd be a good lesson, and of course along the way, we'll take a look at what the
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Bible says, and what the words mean when it comes to Savior. But let's let the
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Reverend Dr. Brent Hawks of MCC Toronto explain to us how apparently we as Christians need to reconsider our use of the word
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Savior. Here we go. Now when they came out, very quickly there was one word in those bedrock beliefs.
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Now he's talking about a document that was put out by MCC Toronto, which had basically a list of their core beliefs and doctrines.
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Okay, and so when those bedrock beliefs came out, there was one word that apparently the
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Reverend Dr. Brent Hawks took issue with. That began for me to be uncomfortable. Problematic.
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Problematic word? What would that problematic word be? You know, it couldn't possibly be the biblical word, you know,
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Savior. When people now come to our church, many of them will first check the website to see what this church is about, what they believe, and many of the folks who did that would tell me out in the community,
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Brent, I looked up your church and it sounded reasonable, but when I got to that word Savior, it was a problem.
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Like I said, this is not an episode of Captain Obvious. This guy's wrong! Way wrong!
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This is terrible! I know! Okay, that's the point. Okay, the
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Bible is completely... New Testament! Old Testament! Both of them, you know, are filled with words like Savior and salvation, but he says the word is problematic?
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Okay, what's going on here? Answer. He's asserting his opinions.
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He's asserting his theologizing, his speculations, and his morals, and he's exalted them above the
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Bible. Just plain and simple. And as a result of it is now that his high and exalted reason and his morals and values, which are different than the
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Bible's, now they are looking down on the Scriptures and saying, nope! Can't have that word!
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That word's got to go! Well, clearly what's got to go is his opinion.
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His opinion is wrong. It is contrary to the Word of God, and he's opposing the truth.
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That's exactly what he's doing. But let's keep going here. It was a problem because I'm from another faith tradition, or it's a problem because I don't believe that everyone has to accept
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Jesus as personal Lord and Savior like the fundamentalists say. Okay, now that language, by the way, as the fundamentalists say, shows that he was theologically trained by modernist liberals.
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They're big Goliath, if you would. Their main antagonists were the fundamentalists.
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Read Harry Emerson Fosdick, shall the fundamentalists win? All of that being said,
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I would note the soteriology that he's expressed here, I think, is problematic.
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I am a monergist, but that, again, is not the focus of this episode. We will talk about salvation in this one and what the problem is.
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But so, he's using the antagonists of the modernist liberals, the fundamentalists, oh no, the fundamentalists, and as basically, kind of everybody that disagrees with them are fundamentalists.
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Now, granted, if you don't believe that Jesus is your Savior, that he has bled and died for your sins on the cross, and that he is your
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Lord, you are lost. There's just no way around it. And so, you don't have saving faith, far from it.
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But again, I'm not gonna quibble on the issues between synergism and monergism here, that's not the point.
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But you can see what he's doing here. He's gonna pull out that evil fundamentalist trope to basically say there's kind of just two ways about this.
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We're gonna reject the fundamentalist because he's so liberal -minded. Or that everyone has to define
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Savior in the way that the fundamentalists define it. Now, note, he said earlier, in fact, let me back this up, is that he says that there are people who look at their website who find the the word
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Savior problematic. Listen to two of the reasons. It was a problem. It was a problem because I'm from another faith tradition.
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Another faith tradition. You know, I'm into Wicca. I'm into Buddhism.
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I'm into, you know, I come from, I'm spiritual but not religious. And so I take issue with the word
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Savior because I don't need to be saved, right? Since when did non -believers have a say in what
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Christianity is to believe, teach, and confess? Because that's determined by Scripture, not consensus with people outside of our
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Christian faith or people from a different faith tradition, right? So in other words, your
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Muslim neighbors do not get a vote when it comes to what your church believes, teaches, and confesses.
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Nope. Neither do your Buddhist neighbors or those who are into Wicca or the spiritual and not religious crowd, the esoteric agnostic crowd.
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None of them get a vote as to what Christianity is to believe. That's the faith once for all delivered to the
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Saints, and it's revealed and very succinctly and wonderfully described and in detail and taught in the
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New Testament. And your neighbors, regardless of their faith tradition, don't get a say.
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They don't like the word Savior. My attitude is this. Get over it. You need one, right?
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Let's keep going. It's a problem because I don't believe that everyone has to accept
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Jesus as personal Lord and Savior like the fundamentalists say. All right, so you don't believe that everyone has to accept
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Jesus. They don't have to believe in Jesus, okay? That's a problem. Or that everyone has to define
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Savior in the way that the fundamentalists define it. Define? Now here's where the word games come in.
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So clearly he's a modernist liberal, but he's playing some of the postmodern word games. And so postmodernity attacks the definitions of words.
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So, well, we're not gonna define it that way. We're free to define it any way we want, the liberal says.
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Oh no, you're not. You have to define it the way it's properly used, using proper grammar, proper lexical meanings, and things like this.
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So watch this next move. And it soon became that I kept having to explain that word. And I knew that many people would never give me the opportunity to explain that word.
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And in membership classes, when we would go through the vision, mission, values, and bedrock beliefs, that was almost always the point that was raised by somebody that they had a problem with.
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I have a problem with you telling me I need a Savior. And so twice in my 40 years here,
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I tried to get the word changed. And because I quickly realized that one crucifixion was enough.
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So no, in his own telling of the story, he tried to get the word
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Savior changed from their core doctrines and beliefs. He wanted that one out. But there was too much pushback from the folks there at that congregation.
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I wonder why. Maybe they still had some memory of what it is that the Bible teaches regarding the word
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Savior and the need for salvation. I backed off and thought, okay, this is not the right time to do that, because it upsets some folks.
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Yeah, so you got more deconstructing to do, you know, so that people will not have any concept at all biblically of what the word
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Savior actually means, and so that you can then smuggle it out later. Got it.
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Then I had to figure out my own definition of the word. And there's the problem. And then
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I had to figure out my own definition of the word. What does the word
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Savior mean to you? When anybody, and I mean anybody, starts playing this game, you know that what is gonna come out of their mouth is false.
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Because the question is not, what does this word mean to you? What's your personal definition of this word?
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The question is, how is it defined in Scripture? Because God the Holy Spirit inspired it to be, you know, put into the biblical text in multiple places.
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That's the problem. So when somebody says, I came up with my own definition, and they may not say it in those words.
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They might say, well, the word Savior means, and then they give their own definition.
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But in order to be discerning and to test somebody's teaching, you have to go back and say, okay, is the definition they gave, is that the biblical definition, or is that a
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Dr. Brent Hawkes, was honest and said, I had to figure out my own definition.
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No, no, no, sir. In biblical Christianity, we don't get to create our own definitions. Christianity is the faith once for all delivered to the saints, as taught by the
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Apostles of Jesus Christ. You don't get to come up with your own definitions of words.
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We are called to bend the knee to the actual definitions and the real teachings of Scripture, rather than to oppose the truth.
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In fact, let me give you a text on this, okay? All right. Now, I didn't find this one ahead of time, so I'm gonna have to do this.
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I'm just gonna look for the word oppose. It's gonna either be 2 Peter or Jude. Hang on a second here.
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I don't want it that way. I don't want, I want the word, let's just do this, the truth.
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There we go. And I got to check, check, hang on a second here. I flex search, and I don't want the book of Revelation.
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I want the epistles. Here we go. All right. Okay. In fact, let me do this, since I now have this open.
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Oppose. There we go. Okay. Beware of him.
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Okay. Oppose the truth. Okay. Janice.
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Okay. Second Timothy. Here we go. Second Timothy, chapter 3. So, watch what it says.
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The Apostle Paul prophesying about what, what it would be like in the last days.
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We happen to be in them, and we've been in them since Christ ascended. Here's what he says. Second Timothy 3. Understand this.
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In the last days, there will come times of difficulty. People will be lovers of self, lovers of money, and by the way, what he's describing here is the state of the church in the last days, because unbelievers are this already, okay, right?
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So, this is gonna run rampant in the church. Lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self -control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit.
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Lovers of pleasure, rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people, for among them are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins, led astray by various passions, always learning, never able to arrive at the knowledge of the truth, just as Janus and Jambres opposed
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Moses. So, these men also oppose the truth. Men corrupted in mind, disqualified regarding the faith, but they'll not get very far.
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Their folly will be plain to all, as was those of those two men. Now, if you're wondering who are
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Janus and Jambres, well, Janus and Jambres are the magicians of Pharaoh who opposed
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Moses. That's what we learned from this text. And so, just like Janus and Jambres opposed the truth of Yahweh, so men in the
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Church in the last days will oppose the truth. And so, these men will oppose the truth, but these people are corrupted in mind, disqualified regarding the faith, and that's what's going on here, is that the the
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Reverend Brent Hawks is opposing the truth of Scripture. And instead of believing what the
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Scriptures teach regarding Christ being our Savior and the need for salvation, he figured out his own definition of the word
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Savior. Why? Because this man doesn't stand in the truth, he opposes it.
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Let me back up, let's continue. That's some folks. Then I had to figure out my own definition of the word, and so today
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I want to talk about my definition, how I approach that word. Your definition is worthless.
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So is mine. If I have my own definition, it's worthless, too. Anybody who has their own definitions, worthless.
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Okay? The question is, what is the definition used by the Holy Spirit in the biblical texts and the authors of Scripture that he used to, you know, to write these things down?
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And I have not vetted the sermon by the two theologians I deeply respect. So he only respects two theologians, he will only expect, receive correction from them.
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So if I err on heresy, I'm sure 25 of you and one of them will tell me.
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So here's where I got. I believe that in Scripture the... I believe that in Scripture.
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This is his definition. Praise salvation means healing our relationship with God.
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Oh, it sounds so pious. I believe that salvation means healing our relationship with God.
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And here's now where we can fact -check. Okay? So let's pull up the Scriptures, and we're going to look at a couple of texts.
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Maybe a few, okay? Because you'll note that this is a text,
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Ephesians 2, that talks about being saved. So salvation is mentioned here.
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Jesus talks about salvation in John 3.
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I'm gonna trust his opinion, but here's the thing. The words being used here, how they are properly defined, not how
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I define them, but how they are properly defined by true, accurate, lexical scholarship is the thing that matters, okay?
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And so let's do this, all right? So in talking about salvation...
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In fact, let me do this. We'll start with Jesus, okay? John chapter 3, starting at verse 13.
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This is Jesus talking to Nicodemus, the Nicodemus passage. No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the
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Son of Man. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life, okay?
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So eternal life is something that seems to be, if you would, you know, a synonymous concept with salvation.
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But we'll get into this more. And then he goes on, and this is Jesus talking. For God so loved the world that he gave his only
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Son that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his
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Son into the world to condemn the world but in order that the world might be saved through him.
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So here we have Jesus talking about being saved, being saved by believing, by having faith in him.
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So let's take a look at the word sozo, which is your Greek verb here, and let's look at its actual meanings.
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This isn't my opinion, this isn't the opinion of the people who put this lexicon together, this is the actual definition of the word itself, okay?
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Now watch what it says. Sozo, okay? This is where we get the word saved. And definition number one, to preserve or to rescue from natural dangers and afflictions, to save, to keep from harm, to preserve, to rescue.
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Now that makes sense, okay? Christ as our
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Savior is preserving us, rescuing us from what?
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Right? Answer. The consequences of our sin, rescuing us from the dominion of darkness, to deliver us from sin itself, and to preserve us from God's wrath to come.
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Yeah, that's absolutely part of this. But so again, God did not send his
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Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
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Whoever believes in him is not condemned. Whoever does not believe is condemned already because he has not believed in the name of the only
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Son of God. Condemned by whom? God.
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Condemned by God. And this is the judgment. Light has come into the world. People love the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.
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Everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come into light lest his work should be exposed. Whoever does what is true comes to the light so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.
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Now let's take a look at the word salvation itself, okay? For instance, in the book of Acts, chapter 4, the
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Apostle Peter says, and there is salvation in no one else for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.
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Talking about Jesus Christ, right? So the question is, what does the word salvation mean?
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Not my opinion. This is my own definition of the word salvation. No. The question is, what does it mean?
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When Peter said this word, soteria, what did he mean by it?
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So let's take a look at the meaning of soteria. Deliverance, preservation, okay?
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So there's a physical focus on this of, you know, deliverance and preservation from impending death, okay?
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Salvation, focus on transcendent aspects, that's another meaning, but you get the idea.
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It has to do with preservation. The question is, well, what are we being delivered from? What are we being preserved from?
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Answer, the second death. Let me read to you a portion of the book of Revelation, chapters 20 and 21.
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Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it and from his presence the earth and the sky fled away and no place was found for them.
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And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne and books were open.
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Now we're going to talk about how salvation works then in this context. Books are open. So this is describing the
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Day of Judgment. Do you all know that you have an appointment with God on the Day of Judgment? I have one too, right?
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And books are gonna get opened. You're sitting there going, books? Yeah, you know, all the evil that you've done is written in the books.
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All the good you've done is written in the books. And you're not saved if the good outweighs the bad.
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No, if there's anything negative written in there, you're toast. I kid you not.
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I'll prove it, but let's keep going here. And books were open. Then another book was open, which is the book of life.
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And the dead were judged by what was written in the books according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it.
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Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one of them according to what they had done.
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Oh yeah, you're gonna be judged by what you've done. You're sitting there going, oh, I know.
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We're being preserved from death, right? That's what salvation is. So death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire.
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This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire too.
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Salvation is preservation and deliverance from the consequences of sin, also from the devil and from sin itself.
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But I continue. So in Revelation 21, the same theme is picked up just one chapter later.
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He who was seated on the throne said, behold, I am making all things new. And also he said, write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.
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And he said to me, it is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, to the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment.
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The one who conquers will have this heritage. I will be his God, he will be my son. But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.
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Now you're sitting there going, well, but Pastor Roseborough, I got some really nasty things written in my books.
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So do I. So here's where an understanding of proper salvation comes into play.
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If we were to take a look at, like, Colossians chapter 2. Colossians chapter 2, consider what this says, okay?
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Verse 8. See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy.
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Okay? You'll note that philosophies oftentimes have a worldview that opposes
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Scripture, and you do not judge the Scriptures based upon philosophy.
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Philosophy gets judged by the Scriptures, and where philosophy opposes or disagrees with the
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Scriptures, philosophy's wrong, right? And so do not make sure that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.
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For in him, in Christ, the whole fullness of the deity dwells bodily, and you have been filled in him who is the head of all rule and authority.
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Now in him, in Christ, also you were circumcised.
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He said, I was? Yeah, you were, if you were baptized. That's what he's referencing here. With the circumcision made without hands by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God who raised him from the dead, and you who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh,
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God has made you alive together with him, having forgiven us all of our trespasses, and here's the important part, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands.
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This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. So on the Day of Judgment, when the books are opened and people are judged according to what is written in the books, and anybody who has evil in there is cast into the lake of fire, second death,
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Christians have nothing to fear, and the reason they have nothing to fear is due to this fact, that all of their evil deeds, that portion of the books, has been ripped out.
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He canceled the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands, this he set aside and nailed it to the cross.
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So Christ, for everybody who believes, the entire record of debt is ripped out of their books, and they are judged by what they've done, but the only thing that God sees, the only thing that Christ sees on the
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Day of Judgment in their books, are all their good deeds. All the evil they've done has been canceled, nailed to the cross.
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Is it any wonder, then, that in the opening portion of Colossians, it says this, that He has delivered us from the dominion of darkness.
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Delivered here is another, is a synonym with saved. He has delivered us from the dominion of darkness, transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved
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Son, in whom we have redemption and the forgiveness of our sins.
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So when you let the Scriptures define these things, not you, then you can see, oh,
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Jesus is our Savior. And I would note that that's exactly what a
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Savior is. If you remember, the word sozo means to be delivered or preserved. In Luke chapter 2, 11, the angels announced to the shepherds, for unto you was born this day in the city of David a what?
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A Savior. Who said this? The angels who were there at the birth of Christ.
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I think they know a little bit more than the Reverend Hawks, you know what I'm saying here? Let's take a look at what
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Savior means. Savior is one who rescues.
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A Savior, a deliverer, a preserver. That's the definition.
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Not my definition. That's the definition of Savior in the Scriptures. And that's exactly what
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God has given us in Christ, one who has rescued us from the dominion of darkness, who has saved us and delivered us and preserved us, even from the consequences of our own sin, who set us free from slavery to sin itself.
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We don't have to face its consequences. We don't have to end up in the second death in the Lake of Fire at all.
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All of this He gives to us freely because Christ has merited our salvation for us, and that's how
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Jesus talks about salvation. Is it any wonder that the Apostles say that there's salvation in no one else?
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And so you'll note that even the angels announced that Jesus is the Savior.
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John 4, that the disciples of John the
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Baptist said that we know now that He is indeed the Savior of the world. In Acts 5,
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Peter says regarding Jesus, God has exalted Him at His right hand as the leader and Savior to give repentance to Israel and the forgiveness of sins so that we do not have to face the consequences of our sins.
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So what we've seen here from the Reverend Brent Hawks, again, obviously wrong, but here's the thing.
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It's obvious when you listen to somebody who's out there on the liberal woke spectrum.
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It's a little less obvious when it's somebody who is teaching in a church that is otherwise conservative, but it doesn't matter if it's the
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Reverend Hawks or even if it's John MacArthur or even Chris Roseborough. We are not free to give our own definitions when it comes to what the
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Bible says. The Bible says what it says and it means what it means in the context that it was given, in the time that it was given, and you don't get to create your own definitions at all.
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Anybody who does that is engaging in teaching false doctrine, and by doing so, they are opposing the truth by opposing what the actual biblical texts say and what they mean.
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So hopefully you found this helpful and it wasn't like, okay, well that was just a Captain Obvious episode of Fighting for the
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Faith. No, I think you need to learn the lesson. Start with somebody easy, but apply this then to everybody you hear from the pulpit.
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When they start giving their own definitions and they say, well, what this really means to me is this.
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You know you're dealing not with what the text says, but what this guy is basically teaching what comes out of his heart rather than the biblical text itself.
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