November 5, 2020 Show with Eric Hovind on “Is Atheism on the Rise in America?”

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Eric Hovind and the Question of Atheism in America

And I'm thrilled to have, for the very first time ever, Eric Hovind as my guest today. He is president and founder of Creation Today, and we are going to be addressing the theme, Is Atheism on the Rise in America?

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you, for the very first time, to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Eric Hovind.

Hey, Chris, I think we both know and everybody...

And somebody that is a mutual friend of both Eric's and mine, that our listeners, well, many of our listeners are sure to be familiar with, that is Sy Ten Bruggengate, one of the four...

Don't say that, don't say that publicly. I don't like to admit that publicly. Come on now, Chris. I don't know if we'll talk about that later, but boy, that was a good...

Yes, he is one of the foremost presuppositionalist apologists, especially actively involved in debates in the world, really. Obviously, there have been much more famous folks who have written things like Cornelius Van Til and others, but Sy is certainly the one in the trenches today, doing a lot of the debating and engaging unbelievers, and even believers alike, who disagree with the presuppositional approach to apologetics.

But he's a dear brother, and a very humble brother, and I'm giving him a shout out now. I hope you're listening, Sy. Tell our listeners about Creation Today.

Wow, they wrote a book today in prison, got out and started with the same name as his old one. I get to be the president of this incredible... You simply buy somebody a cup of coffee...

Great, well, I guess you can't do that with a Mormon, though, can you?

We have our limits, but I did buy whyaboutyourmeal .com, whyaboutyourdrink .com, well, I got about 30 different websites like that, that I'd love to develop over time.

Well, I'm sure especially our Presbyterian and Lutheran listeners will love the whyaboutyourdrink .com.

I did buy whyaboutyourbeer .com, just to make sure a beer company didn't buy that one and use it against what I'm trying to do.

Well, if anybody is interested in finding out more about Creation Today, you go to creationtoday .org, creationtoday .org, and I am going to be repeating that, God willing, throughout the broadcast, so I wanted to make sure that I got that in there right now before I forget.

But as we do, as a tradition here, whenever we have a first-time guest, we have that guest give a summary of their salvation testimony, what kind of religious atmosphere you were raised in, and what kind of providential circumstances our Sovereign Lord raised up in your life that drew you to Himself and saved you.

And you already hinted at your upbringing, but if you can give us more detail on that.

Well, my dad being a pastor, Jeff Redlin, the church, rather than having a relationship with God, it's huge. You know, the unsaved have a desire for a bath. I realized it was actually through Ray Comfort's Men for What it Really Was.

I was in my 20s. I had already been traveling and preaching, you know, grew up, you know, going to camps, going to speak at camps, work at camps, and it was in my 20s, early 20s, that I heard hell's best-kept secret.

I listened to that message and I went, oh my goodness, this has some big, giant implications. I listened to the message again and I went, oh my goodness, I called my brother-in-law, said, you got to come hear this with me.

He came over that same night on my living room floor that I had become a prophet. My desire for righteousness was really a desire for popularity and a desire not to hurt mom and dad and parents. I got that, that God saw my sin.

Well, praise God. Brother Ray has been on this program. I just wish that we could get a longer interview out of him. He typically is only on for about 15 minutes when he comes on, which is a record for the shortest interview on I Am Jefferson Sign Radio.

That's so funny because that is him. He is super just ADD. He doesn't like, great, that's really cool. How long is the interview? Two hours.

I'm going, two hours of the interview?

Seriously?

Well, with the commercial breaks, it's really about 95 minutes.

Okay, well, I got a confession.

Well, if anybody has any questions of your own, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com. Please give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA, and only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.

Let's say you disagree with your pastor over something that we're going to say today, which actually would surprise me because we're speaking about atheism. But perhaps you have a close family member that's an atheist.

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Now, if you wouldn't mind, and this is up to you, you could say, I'll pass on that. But since you brought it up, you said your dad was in prison for a while. Why don't you explain that if you can, if you desire to, just so our listeners, since you kind of pulled that rabbit out of the hat, if you will, why don't you just explain a little bit about that?

My dad was, he was discharged correctly. I think they kind of got him on something they should not have gotten him on for $10 ,000. My mom and dad went to more than $9 ,000 to get into that and bringing him back and actually doing this and said,.

You know what?

I decided to try to focus on other battles and not focus on that, but that's.

Yeah, and I think if I'm not mistaken, one of the things as far as what you teach that you have changed from your dad's legacy is that he was, and perhaps is, a King James onlyist and you are not.

Well, he would say that Steven Anderson have a King James Bible, you really can't even get saved. And I was like, wow, I don't speak English. This is really bad for you and your head. So yeah, I put that up as a, I don't even get into it.

It's not something I take a stand on. So am I not a King James act, even though it's a small minority? Okay, well, is,.

Let me ask you right off the bat, is atheism on the rise in America?

His attention and look at the actual data and say, I think there's lack of evidence. I'm not saying he doesn't. I just don't, well, that's agnosticism on a regular basis.

Yes, even Bill Maher, the very notorious anti-Christian comedian and talk host, he has said, I don't know if he's changed his rhetoric, but he has said that he is an agnostic because if you claim to be an atheist, you would have to claim to have all knowledge.

And logically he's hitting the nail on the head. You cannot be that intellectually and logically you can't be an atheist. There's, if atheism is true, then atheists don't, atheism. I mean, and you think about it, why does this next generation, they want to be known as the none.

I, that's what's real. I'm just going to.

Yes, you can. You can be yourself as if we're just hanging out in the living room at the coffee table.

Well, then I, you see such hypocrisy, such division. When you see so much arguing in what looks like hatred and vitriol, who would want to be a part of that? Even if it was true, if I'm being honest, I'd say my heart goes out to them.

Now, the other side of that coin is even though my heart goes out to them, that position, it doesn't mean that that's a valid or a tenable. I mean, you got to think about it. And this is what the nones realize.

The reason they want to be none, if atheism is true, you got to think about the tenets of atheism. You know, now there's no chemical reactions taking place. He was going through cancer and to his body, as he goes through the chemo.

Hitchens said, I don't have a body being consistent with what, I'm just molecules in motion. What are you talking about? I'm not, I'm just molecules. There's no me inside of this. It's reality. That doesn't match a choice or a chemical reaction.

Vinegar and baking soda. It's going to have a reaction. There's nothing you can do. Molecules in motion. There's really nothing you can do. They're not accepting atheism because that's not consistent.

There's no way this could happen. And you look at that and you go, there's just no way it doesn't work. I think what they're doing things, the God that's against science, you know, you can't believe in God and science.

You know, there's that famous guy who's writing on a science chalkboard and they say, well, we don't know. God must've done it. So it's just kind of a God of the gaps type thing where the big bad happened or suffering happened or I got emotional trauma and therefore God doesn't.

So I think what they're really rejecting are the gods that don't, really rejecting that. And we need to introduce them to the one true God of the Bible. I don't know. What do you think about that?

Yeah. I mean, I see a lot of validity in that. And also I would throw in there that people, if they are not regenerate, if they are devoid of the Holy Spirit, they don't have a conscience that oppresses them with guilt.

They are going to follow what the world thinks about that. And the world, not all of the world, but a very significant segment of the world and perhaps even, especially with the youth, there is a craving, there is an idolatry of being hip, being sophisticated, being cool.

There is a disdain for the idea that you're being tricked. And I know that a lot of young people view any kind of religion as something that is a trick. They don't want to have the wool pulled over their eyes.

But of course, going back to the original concept about atheism, doesn't Romans 1 teach us that there really are no atheists?

Yeah. Nobody gets... At the end of the day, if you legitimately did not... I mean, you got to give it to somebody. If they truly didn't... Hey, you know what? You guys really... on your spirit. You know me.

You have eyes to see clear. And I think it... What do you have to have? A ball, the truth. They want to do what they want to do. In the next verse, I can apply to everything. The laws of science, the laws of logic, nobody gets to use that excuse.

And then it says, because the creator of the universe, the judge of all ideas that you didn't know and you're hiding it, you're suppressing it.

Well, we have to get to our very first break. And as I said before, if anybody would like to join us with a question of your own, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com. Chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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The Challenge of Answering Children and Skeptics

Welcome back.

This is Chris Lawrence.

And if you just tuned us in, our guest today is Eric Hovind. And by the way, Eric, am I pronouncing your last name correctly?

Eric Hovind. Of those that actually write.

Chris Lawrence. Well, it is phonetically spelled. But one of the things that, this may sound really strange, but when I hear somebody say that people who openly admit to being atheists are on the rise in America, there is something actually refreshing about that because when I hear statistical information about the majority of people in the United States being Christian and things like that, even when I hear about the statistics of those who profess to be born again, that makes me more depressed because I know that multitudes, if not the majority of those people, are deceived or lying because there's no way our country could possibly be dominated by regenerate people.

Do you understand where I'm coming from?

Eric Hovind. Oh boy. Now you know where you really stand before God. Maybe this is what needs to lead up to another great awakening where people will realize their sin before God. Maybe I take that too far.

We do have an anonymous listener who says, my heart breaks that all of my children are not believers, although a couple of them out of six appear to be getting drawn by God to Him. One of the things that I feel so helpless and inadequate about when I'm having conversations with my unbelieving children is that they will bring up subjects outside of the Bible that I have no knowledge of and no ability to counteract.

They will bring up things regarding science or technology. They will bring up all sorts of subjects, obviously, to derail the subject away from hell and their spiritual need. But their attempts to get me tongue-tied to prove that I know what I am talking about can be very frustrating and quite frankly can be infuriating.

Do you have any advice about how to keep your children or anyone to whom you are having a conversation who is in opposition to the Christian faith, to keep them on the track rather than chasing all these different conversations that they want to bring up?

My heartbreak, everything that I've been talking about today is in a Jesus degree. As I think of the different of them on the ground, you wouldn't believe your or I'll tell you this, God's grace and God's grace alone.

Be that now. Be the parent that says, man, I love you no matter what. I've got a Christ-like love for you. And man, I love these conversations. I'm not going to get mad at you for thinking. I'm not going to get mad at you for having an opinion or having done some research.

I want the truth. I think the Socratics and the Bible and then listen to them about what you've done wrong in the past. So when I mess up, I want them to know I'm a human. Don't put me on a pedestal with God.

I am imperfect and I'm going to prove that by apologizing when I mess up and just going to them and saying, I'm sorry. It's great when they're, you know, the kids get to middle school and high school finding out what they think and why they think it.

And I'd say even before middle school, well, why do you think that? Well, what objections are there to that? You know, where, when, why question. Okay, how am I going to answer this for the audience? How am I going to help my audience?

And that's the question to me the other day. Well, just to get an idea, and it's a huge youth group. It's got about 300 kids and I'm going, God, I want to reach these young people. I know 70 of these are going to walk away from this church in just a couple of years.

How do I give me insight? Give me wisdom to reach these young people. So for example, somebody gave me a question about creation evolution. And Eric, what do you think about that? Man, I just boom, boom.

But one of the questions, nobody questioned, nobody questioned and is a loving judge. Simple answers out there. And so my heart goes out to you.

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