July 19, 2005

Webcasting around the world from the desert metropolis of Phoenix, Arizona. This is the dividing line. The Apostle Peter commanded Christians to be ready to give a defense for the hope that is within us.

Yet to give that answer with gentleness and reverence. Our host is dr. James white director of Alpha Omega ministries and an elder at the Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church. This is a live program and we invite your participation.

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Technical Difficulties and the Day’s Delayed Start

And good afternoon. Welcome to the dividing line at a unusual time 408 p .m. And That's because first of all, we had to to get that roof sealed up. Well, I shouldn't say we rich had to get that roof sealed up.

It was a rather unpleasant feeling When that monsoon storm hit last night to stand there in the doorway and and watch torrents of water Coming down out of the ceiling. It was it was coming down when a monsoon storm comes through Rarely, are they are they wimpy if they're gonna rain you they're gonna do their mud thing.

We have actually mud showers here in in Arizona where you have the dust storm it comes through and just a few drops of rain, so it turns everything to mud and That happened on on Wednesday night, but we also got the straight-line winds that ripped there the roof off of that room and Only got the only got the plywood back down before last night.

The radar looked good. You know, we all went home the radar looked good and Then all of a sudden Here it came and drew a an X on on the top of our house and boom. So Anyway, hopefully that has been taken care of.

So if we get blasted tonight I can guarantee there's a few folks staying in the doorway looking up at the roof I assure you of that Pete just left. Thanks Pete. Pete got us back on the air. That's why it's 408 instead of four.

Okay, there's Pete again. Pete is is the one who makes it possible for you to listen to this program as far as the live real audio version of it goes and the server went it and Died and and we had to get Pete out of bed.

I hope he doesn't sick or anything like that. I hope he was just you know, having a nice Afternoon nap during the lazy days of summer up there in in the People's Republic of Canada, but anyway, we very appreciative of Pete's Helping us out Pete web .com.

I'm not sure if we should tell people that he may not want people to know that actually when you Think about it It starts getting all sorts of nasty notes from people and it's all our fault. But anyway So the the server was dead so we had to get the server going we had to Had to get poor poor Pete out of bed and he got the server restarted so we're getting a late start.

So I'm not I'm not sure it's gonna be difficult for me to remember what time to get done. But we'll we'll figure it out one way or the other and that's assuming that rich who just climbed down off the roof Took a quick shower and is now on the other side of the wall.

There doesn't like die during the course of program, which I wouldn't know except we get to the break if the break doesn't start then I'll know there's something wrong and and I'll I'll do what I can at that particular point.

Because the poor man's been up on the roof and let me tell you something standing on a black surface in Phoenix and it's currently My little weather thingy with Bobby here is it has it's just not it's about a hundred and twelve 113 right now something like that and So anyways, thanks again Pete God bless.

He's probably listening to me. Anyways, so I'm probably wasting my time there. Anyways, eight seven seven seven five three Three three four one moving stuff out of the way here so that I can I can pull the phone out here.

You know, I you remember there was an envelope on your desk just a few days ago and now it's not there and it's when you when you Didn't need it. You saw it all the time. And as soon as you need it, you don't see it anymore as ever that happened to you, I think it happens to every human being on the planet and Anyways, I was looking for that.

I couldn't find it now. I need to find it and it's Maybe I gave it to did I give that? Well, I'll talk to you about later. Why am I I'm talking about like this? I don't know. It's an odd day the heat.

He's getting to all of us out here. I was driving a car about an hour ago. And when I pulled the key out I Could not hold the key and it wasn't in the Sun it was just it was just that's just how hot is I could not hold the key.

I had to hold by the plastic thingy and it was oh this is this is the 90 to 120 days or so where you just you just go ha and then you look forward to when the the monsoon breaks in September and starts cooling off and it's It's just different but right now When it's been over a hundred and ten how many days in a row now has been over a hundred and ten like two weeks.

Something like that. It's.

Yeah.

Lows in the 90s. First thing in the morning you open the door. It gets smacked in the face. It's 93 degrees or something. But that's why we have palm trees and and not Christmas trees out here, but anyway anyways.

Eight seven seven seven five three. Three three four one. Obviously there is a a lot of thought right now going on in that at least according to my clock in an hour and 47 minutes The President of the United States will be announcing his nominee For the Supreme Court of the United States.

If you're outside the u .s. You might not Understand that over the past 50 years or so there has been a quiet revolution in our land where the judiciary has abandoned the role that it was designed for and the only role that it is actually given authority to do and Has become the new legislature.

When you can't get the elected officials To push your social program through you gets the non elected officials many of whom are on the bench for life by by just rule from the bench and the vast majority of the moral decline of Our nation has been directly related to this.

Reflective of it I saw an article by a senator Santorum on this very subject earlier today and So a number of us a couple of us in Channel 2 are really.

I.

Don't know We just had the feeling that We're not going to be happy in an hour and 45 46 minutes now That we are going to be pulling a very very long Sword out of our backs Shall we say and I don't know I just I just have that feeling of course if If certain people are are nominated be really really excited and you're gonna see people like Ted Kennedy you know actually putting down their glasses long enough to To get very very angry before picking back up again, and I'm not talking about spectacles there either, but anyway It I don't know what's gonna happen none of us do it's a very very tightly kept secret in Washington these days.

But I don't know I just I just have a feeling that We're gonna. We're gonna have one of these I Have a feeling that the current president will follow his his father's footsteps in Nominating somebody who you can get through without a major fight.

Which means they're they give in to the left and and are anti-religion and anti-constitution. And so on and so I don't know that's just sort of what I'm seeing coming but we will see and we will be off the air before then anyways and I will be watching it very very very closely.

Critiquing Catholic Apologetics Through a Clip on the Eucharist

I have a little clip here. I I Didn't take the time. I probably should have to Convert this over to wave and stuff like that. So I only have it in the real audio format and playing it at a real player which You know it just doesn't work as well as as some other things obviously can it you know things like that, but I Have been some of you know that over the past number of years We Have taken the time at times When I have the time to do it to go listen to other Apologetics programs from the other side now believe me if the Mormons for example had an apologetics program We'd be listening and we'd be responding to it if the Jehovah's Witnesses had an apologetics program That we could listen to we could record stuff we could respond to it.

We would we would most definitely be doing that but it's the Roman Catholics who generally do have this kind of material They have their radio programs and so on and so forth and so I took time to Have taken the time excuse me to listen to various presentations from various people.

I Find the call-in ones to be the best because you can get the best questions things like that and I was listening just briefly this afternoon while rushing around doing other things to The Catholic answers program once again.

We played some clips from Tim Staples last week and I was struck by something once again. Have you ever noticed? You know the what was it two years two years ago now. Well the actually would be To it it was last debate with Mitch Pacwa on the subject of the priesthood part of that the reason of you know the the situation had developed in regards to The scandals regarding the priesthood things like that, but we want to address is there a biblical basis for the priesthood?

When you look at the the Roman Catholic Priesthood as it exists today around the world not only is it in essence? And I don't I don't think I'm being overly dramatic here dying in the sense that there are so few people going into the priesthood and part of that obviously is due to the corruption within it, but You would think That the majority of the apologists would in fact.

Be.

Ordained priests. Maybe some of the younger ones because they're excited about their faith in that some of the older ones because they've been doing this long time. Whatever, and certainly as you look back 60 70 years ago.

Most of the spokespeople were in fact priests and in fact really the whole Catholic answers. Jerry, Matthews. Carl Keating. Patrick Madrid Robertson. Janice Tim Staples. What do they all have in common?

None of them are priests. They're not ordained. They're layman. And you know who spoke for the church in the 1940s the 1950s. Well priest did of course and. So it's somewhat odd that. It's not priests that are taking the lead anymore on those lines, but then when some do speak I'm not sure it's it's out there somewhere.

I know that people have mentioned that they have listened to this, but I remember listening years ago to a Radio program over in LA and. It was with Greg Bonson. Jerry Matta ticks and who was that who was the priest Michael.

Oh? Dread it all. He's sometimes on Larry King. He's been Larry King recently when when John MacArthur was on I'm waiting for the lag for the channel the people in the channel to tell me. This is cuz they'll remember.

We've talked about an in channel a couple of times. Did you eat it up anyways? Michael Medved. Michael Manning, thank you see John Mark knew it. Yeah, Medved is of the wrong religion there brother. See everybody came up with it.

Michael. Oh dread it all. Yeah, that's that's who it is.

I.

Bother it all isn't that what we're supposed to say something like that Manning and man. I'll tell you something listening to that debate all I could all I could think the very first time I heard it I Was like excuse me, but um Why did they have him there?

Could could we get him out of there so that the two guys who actually believe something and have something to say Can debate because every time they turn to what do you think about that father Manning?

It was just sort of like Everything you've been flying along and there been some good give-and-take and then you go to the priest and so it's like Can't we all just get along and it's just. And he's the same way when he's on Larry King.

I don't know why anyone has this guy on. I'm sorry I just I just don't and So I was looking at the archives for the most recent Catholic answers programs and Doctor my American accent, I'm sorry we American.

I don't have an accent believe me the British do but I don't anyway I Was looking over the archives and I ran across this program with a priest explaining the Eucharist. I thought ah Here we go now. We will have something okay, and So I'm just I'm not sure how much is going.

I'm gonna play but right off the bat. He explains what the real presence is and I've listened to Roberts and Janice and Jerry Matta ticks and and all these lay people explain their beliefs. But now we have a priest doing it all right.

Let's let's just listen here for a moment. I think you'll you'll see what I mean.

You know the context of Eucharist is always in the Holy Mass and the Holy Mass can be divided into basically two parts you have the liturgy of the word the liturgy of the Eucharist and The liturgy of the Eucharist that they're basically three parts.

You have what is called the offertory then you have the consecration and then you have communion. The moment of the consecration is a very sublime moment in Holy Mass When the priest is Repeating the same thing that Jesus did 2 ,000 years ago He takes bread the words of Jesus take and eat This is my body and he takes the cup of wine and says take and drink this in my blood.

When the priest lifts up the bread you have what is called the act of Transubstantiation which be it would be the word that st. Thomas Aquinas use where the bread is really and truly Transformed into the body the blood the soul the divinity of Jesus Christ.

And then when it lifts up the cup of wine and says the word that Jesus said that the Last Supper take and drink This is my blood Once again, you have a real radical transformation of the wine into the body blood soul and divinity of Jesus Christ.

This is called Substantiation the word that st. Thomas Aquinas used Using the philosophy of Aris happens is the.

The.

Appearances Seem to be the same it. Even after consecration the bread is no longer bread. It tastes like bread. It breaks like bread. It smells like bread it fragments like bread, but it's really not bread.

The substance is truly the body blood soul and divinity of Jesus Christ. So it's a very sublime moment in the context of Holy Mass and when the Certain attitudes that people should try to have in that sublime moment Certain prayers that can just flow from their heart.

One would be Oh sacrament most Holy Oh sacrament divine all praise and all thanksgiving be every moment dine or other people Unite themselves with the sentiment to the heart of st Thomas who said my Lord and my God a beautiful act of faith in the divinity of Christ and then.

Another one would be the the the Christmas hymn that we sing. Oh, come let us adore him. Oh, come let us adore him. So the real presence is is Becomes a reality in that moment of the of the consecration and Holy Mass.

Now it was it was clear it was it was accurate.

I.

Appreciate the fact that is very open the fact that they they worship the consecrated host. There's prayer adoration worship the whole nine yards because. That's how real. Quote-unquote. Transplantation is a concept a term term not known in the first millennium of the Christian Church and a term dependent upon Aristotelian philosophy as he rightly pointed out.

A term that therefore since it's dependent on Aristotelian philosophy and that would have been unknown to the the Apostles makes the alleged biblical application rather rather extenuous. But I.

I.

Just it seems to me. I'm just observing this really from the outside in many ways. But it seems to me that The priests are not overly concerned about communicating to non-catholics. Maybe because they don't have a lot of a lot of you know Conversations with them.

I don't know. But have you noticed that when you listen to someone like a medics or a Keating or an Aiken. And medics and Aiken are both converts they tend to make their presentations in such a way as to answer Protestant objections and and and in fact to when saying things that are extremely offensive to a a Protestant.

Well talking about worshiping the the sacrament for example. They tend to set it up. They tend to prepare you for it. You know they they don't just simply throw it out there at you. They try to communicate because many of them are former Protestants themselves, and and they feel they know the best way to proselytize or to evangelize the the Protestants, and so they just present things in a different way and In a much more much more compelling way quite honestly.

I mean that was clear. But it you know wasn't the most exciting presentation. You've you've ever heard and so the next question that Jerry Usher asks has to do with the biblical basis of of this.

Alleged belief. I'm father. You mentioned that the priest repeats the words of Jesus Christ, so. Obviously then we're looking at that scripture for support for this. Yes.

You know we can actually go back to the Old Testament there. When you study scriptural theology you have what is called Typology. Certain types in the Old Testament that become a reality in the New Testament.

One would be Adam and Eve. Jesus becomes the second Adam. Mary becomes the second Eve. The Ark of the Ark of the Covenant that the Jewish the Jewish people carried. Mary becomes the new Ark of the Covenant.

Then you have the Passover where Moses brings the people from slavery to liberty through the Red Sea. And Jesus becomes the new Moses leading the people from the slavery of sin to the freedom of their sons and daughters of God through Red blood that he shed shed on the cross on Good Friday.

But not a key type.

Let me just stop right there now. Most people that I know most Protestants that I know most good Evangelicals, you know sitting in their in their churches listen to that and they go what? You've you've got to be first of all it's typology and it's almost like he wasn't sure how to pronounce the word and.

Then they'd go. Wait a minute.

The.

New Eve but the Arctic they have no idea what the Roy's talking about and again, that's why I say it doesn't seem like they're overly concerned. For Protestants to understand what in the world they're saying now you go and listen to him at a ticks and man He will do an entire hour on Marian typology and and some of it gets really Wacky, you know Caleb and all this stuff and and allegedly knows how old Mary was when she was bodily assumed into heaven and and all.

This stuff, but he does it with such fervor and passion that Most people are like wow. This is really cool stuff. That's really amazing. And and when you start going through I've mentioned this numerous times before but we have a lot of new listeners.

And so I'll mention again the first time I ever heard matics and I need to find this tape I need someone needs to send me a little note saying find that tape so you can you can play it. So people see what you're talking about.

The first time I listened to this presentation that matics made on Mary I was just blown away I Mean, I wasn't near a Bible at the time. I was driving I don't remember if I was riding my bike if I was driving somewhere What it was but it was in a position where you can listen and you you know You can listen fairly well but you can't stop and start to tape and check things out and scriptures and things like that and that's how most people would hear it anyways and He's going so so quickly that probably Most folks sitting in the audience weren't turning to these references either.

It's not like he was saying now turn in your Bibles as such as that. He's just giving all these rapid-fire, you know pre verses and stuff, but it was so smooth. And it was it was so passionately done That I'm sitting here going.

I've never heard anything like this and He's using he's going along saying now Luke is specifically paralleling the language of the Greek Septuagint here and and the Greek Septuagint is talking about the Ark of the Covenant and and first Samuel 6 and and the here Luke uses the same language and in Luke chapters 1 and 2 and and and he's Clearly making Mary the Ark of the Covenant and he's going on and on and on.

I'm just sitting going. Wow.

I.

Got all the way through seminary didn't hear anything like that. Well, this is Wow, we you know, and so I go home and I sit down at the computer fire up Bible works and I get out my Greek Septuagint and I put the tape in a tape recorder that has a stop at a start button on it and I start listening and You get to the first point and you stop it.

And you check it out. And you see you got to realize. Anyone who is a good speaker? Can start to pile stuff on top pile stuff on top. You just start slamming and hammering and going after it and you can really create a an emotional tsunami.

Just by the way, you you make your presentation. That that's very easily done. Anyone who knows how to speak. Well can speak in that way and that's what matic says and It's when you stop and you go, okay, let's check That particular argument out.

Let's check this fact out. You've you've you've presented what you think is a fact let's check it out, it's a little bit like the blog articles that I was just That I was just posting over the past couple days.

Responding to the argument presented by a Roman Catholic correspondent. I'm certain that that man has heard this presentation these presentations made by people like matics and Han and others and Believes fully that the that what he's saying is is actually true and that it it holds together.

But it's when you start examining each part of the argument when you start looking at the papacy and you look at this long series of very questionable assertions. That forms the very foundation of the alleged infallible authority of the Roman Catholic Church.

That's when you start realizing that the whole thing doesn't hold together, but you see most people never stop to do each point and A lot of Protestants feel uncomfortable examining his points. They've never even heard somebody saying something like well, there is the Queen Mother in the Davidic Kingdom.

Or.

In this case Mary's the Ark of the New Covenant and and Jesus is the was within her and and he's the new law and and the Ark carried the old law and you've got these parallels and and we've never heard stuff like that and especially you start going to the Old Testament a lot of us are like shades been a while since I read this book, you know and and because so many evangelicals are are canonically challenged along those lines and So they get away with it, but I sit down with the tape and I start doing it point by point and He says Luke is paralleling the language of the Greek Septuagint well you know what I happen to have the Greek Septuagint now, I'm not in my car and What percentage do you think of Jerry Matytix's audience has access the Greek Septuagint.

Not too many. I can reach out my hand here and there's my Rolf's Greek New Testament Septuagint sitting right there. And of course you have Bible works. It's it's right there as well. And so I started thumbing through.

I go Okay, let's turn the New Testament. Here's Luke's language. Here's the verbs Luke looks at and of course when I look at a text that goes there a textual variance here. No, no textual variance. Okay.

This is the verb that Luke uses. We go back to the Greek Septuagint and we start looking around and We don't find that word. We don't we don't find. Wow that that's good Jerry. That's not true. And So we make a note.

Jerry says this Septuagint reads this Luke reads this first point and wrong. And then you start the tape again. You go to the next point and then you stop it and you go the Septuagint you go to Greek and the whole presentation Was based on smoke and mirrors and once some of the primary Foundational assertions are gone.

Some of the rest of the statements can be true statements in and of themselves but the way they were used in this very convincing type of presentation actually is false and So the next time we ended up doing a debate he starts into this stuff and I start throwing Refutations right back at him and you can tell when Jerry Maddox gets Unhappy about things that's what happened in the debate with Scott that Scott Hahn moderated on the Isaiah 22 22 stuff I ended to happen again in 1996.

When we as well six years there and we we debated the the Marian dogmas. You can tell that in the debates that he did and you know these days he's running around challenging pastors of small churches to debates.

Which I find just absolutely reprehensible. I've talked about that before but you can tell he had never been challenged on those things and I sort of wonder today if his presentations have changed at all because of that.

But this priest is simply throwing this Ark of the New Covenants of a as if it's you know, just believe what I'm saying. And I'll talk a little bit about how priests respond when you challenge him. We're gonna take our Half hour break here.

I think we started about seven minutes after so we're right around the right time and Take your calls at eight seven seven seven five three three three four one. We'll be right back.

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The Pilgrim’s Progress and the Return to the Eucharist Discussion

The pilgrims progress. It's not an easy way. It's a journey. And welcome back to the dividing line on this Tuesday afternoon. Unusual time, but we had to.

Move it back to this time period and even at that then a few minutes later, and so if you're just now Listening and wondering what in the world we're doing the break at 440 in the afternoon for that'll explain it for you we're listening to a little presentation on the subject of.

The.

Eucharistic sacrifice by a priest and It was on Catholic answers and I was mentioning some of you have noticed that Aside from Mitch Pacwa, I've not found him to be this way, but it's it's been my experience that When you challenge Roman Catholic priests, and you say no sir you're wrong about that.

They don't like that. They they don't get that very often evidently and That was certainly my experience in Doing the debate with Peter Stravinsky's was it it became very obvious by his language that.

Yeah, they smack you with a ruler yeah. It became very obvious by his language and his mannerisms and his body language. That that he just thought it was terrible that that I would dare to say that he was wrong about anything he was saying.

He accused me of playing games when for example, he completely miscited scripture he I think Squished together a number of citations from different sources I think he put some Paul in together with some Peter or it was all Paul different parts of Paul and said it was Peter and and He throws this thing out, and I'm like excuse me.

Where where's that oh? Now you're playing games. No. I'm not playing games. You're citing the scriptures, but you're not actually citing a scripture that exists and Yes, he did want to leave in the middle debate.

That's exactly right and the same thing with the Augustan quote. You know he has his his Augustan quote well Augusta never said that and you can just see look on his face like how dare you Question me that you're not supposed to do that and that has been the the standard experience that I've had with exception is Mitch Pacwa.

But for most of us Are you say such a thing to me? I am a priest you're supposed to believe exactly what I say. And so I think part of that goes into the attitude that in essence says you know I don't have to actually defend this.

Mary is the argument of a thing you're just supposed to believe what I say and that's how it's supposed to work, so here's here's the.

Some more of the alleged biblical evidence here of the Old Testament we can find in the book of Exodus Where Moses has brought the people out of the? the slavery In the time of the Egyptians, and he's moving through the desert and the people start to complain Because there's no food and Moses makes the prayer begging God to send food.

And what happens. God sends the manna from the skies and.

The.

Moses tells the people to gather the man at the beginning of the day. And it was this sweet this sweet tasting bread that they would be nourishing themselves on for good time of their journey through the desert and that that actually becomes a symbol of what would become the reality.

When Jesus says in John chapter 6 he says I Am the bread of life. Whoever eats my body and drinks my blood will have everlasting life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

Now of course I would agree completely that Jesus takes that Prefigurement and he applies it to himself as the bread which comes down out of heaven. No question about it. I just wonder why it is repeatedly and I'm is this not everyone else's experiences.

I'm talking here to apologetically minded non Roman Catholics. Here isn't everybody else's experience that Roman Catholics jump immediately to the illustration Jesus uses in John 650 and following rather than to the Actual didactic teaching that preceded that and that defines that.

Is that amazing. Isn't that amazing that that is the first place that they go and You know you hear people Talking about. You know all sorts of Literal ways of reading the text in John chapter 6. But if you're gonna read it read it in its context, and I don't hear Catholic apologists Talking about the issue.

Of.

Reading John 6 in its context. Dealing with John 6 35 through 45 dealing with what Jesus says there. I. It's almost like you have to force them to get there. You almost have to force them to get there so.

Not not unusually he'd go directly to that by the way just for those who care. The drudge report is reporting that federal appeals court judge John C Roberts jr. Is Nominee to Supreme Court. I haven't the foggiest idea who on earth that is.

But that's what the dredge report is saying and so will the dredge report. Be accurate we don't know. But we will know particularly in an hour and 14 minutes. When when that is officially announced. So we will definitely be taking a look at that and wondering what's What's going to be going on?

But anyways we continue on with the presentation here because I look over my microphone. And I see no lights on which may mean that poor rich over there is so zoned out. People call it just picks up the phone goes Oh a two three oh four.

Okay, that was my way of finding out all six lines going at once. Isn't that gorgeous they're all on hold which means no. Well at least I know you're still alive over there. You know it would be a really bad thing to get get down with the program.