Pastor David Uth of FBC Orlando Accuses Us of Lying. Did We?

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Welcome to the program, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Justin Peters. I hope that you and your family are doing well today.

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I wanna thank you so much for joining me for this podcast. This is a follow -up podcast. I'm going to be interviewing

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Casey Butner. He is the pastor of Beulah Baptist Church in Winter Garden, Florida, just outside of Orlando.

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And I've interviewed Casey two or three times before. And so if this is new to you, maybe you're a new subscriber and you don't know what in the world we're talking about, then

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I will put down below in the description, the links to our previous interviews, and you can watch those and kind of get up to speed.

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But Casey and I have talked in our previous interviews about the concerns, grave concerns, that we both have regarding First Baptist Church, Orlando, Florida.

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And they are openly accepting of homosexuals.

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In fact, David Youth, the pastor just a few months ago, said that any healthy church must have

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LGBTQ people, transgendered people, sexually immoral people, and heretics to be healthy, to be a healthy church.

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And that is just the tip of the iceberg. So, but we have, this has been a few months since we've done our previous, our last interview.

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And so there have been a number of developments since then. And so I want to talk with Casey and let you hear from him.

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And we can talk about those things and how that we have heard from many, many people, both he and I, Casey and I both have, from current members of First Baptist Orlando, former members of First Baptist Orlando, and they affirm everything that we have said.

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And so Casey, brother, it is good to have you. I hope you're doing well down there in sunny Florida.

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And thank you for coming back on the program. Yes, sir. Good to talk with you again, Justin. It's good to be here in South Florida.

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So I'm looking forward to when you and Susan Heck come to our church here in December. Yeah, yeah, that's right.

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December 10th through the 12th. Is that right? Yeah, sure. It's Saturday, Sunday, and Monday. And perhaps another special guest speaker will be available to come as well, whom you'd be pleased to preach alongside with.

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So we'll see if that availability falls into place. So Joel Osteen accepted your invitation?

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I'll let you call him. Okay. I'm not sure he'll take my call, but all right.

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Well, I look forward to that. All right. Well, Casey, so as I just said in the intro, we've already done a few of these, and you and I have talked about how

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First Baptist Orlando is baptizing homosexuals. You've had a meeting with David Youth about this, trying to get to the bottom of it, giving him an opportunity to explain his position, explain what is really happening at the church.

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And so all that we discussed in the previous interview. And so this is kind of a follow -up.

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You and I have both heard, even before the last video that we did, you and I, from our very first one that we did, we began hearing from people.

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I saw comments from people in the comment section of the video that I did on First Orlando, saying that, yeah, what you're saying is true.

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I'm a member of First Baptist Orlando. This is happening. You're right. But since then, here in the last couple of months, we've had a lot more feedback from folks.

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So I'll just pitch it to you and take it away. However, what do you want to cover first?

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Yeah, you know, I didn't know what to expect after our video from the first time, and was in much prayer and felt in a clear conscience that we had done what was right.

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We had followed the biblical procedures, had gone through Matthew 18, 15, and gone to them first, privately, with the spirit of an appeal and wanting to just talk it through.

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So obviously, we've got all of those details in the prior video. And after that, some time went by.

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David Youth gave me a call. It was a voicemail, and I didn't recognize his number.

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So nevertheless, he simply apologized for the ambush and kind of went into that a little bit.

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So I responded, and it went to a voicemail as well, and said,

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Brother David, you don't have to worry about offending me. Who am I? I'm just a blood -bought slave of the

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Lord Jesus Christ, but we will be held accountable for how we handle God's word and the people in the church.

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So let's talk about everything that Justin and I have laid out in the video.

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Don't direct any attention towards me. Let's talk about what's being done there at First Orlando, and let's use the scriptures.

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So that went to voicemail. To his credit, I guess, I haven't heard back to him, but his mother passed.

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He went to Arkansas and back. And so nevertheless, many weeks have gone by between now and then.

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So it is what it is. I don't expect to hear from him. He did mention that he looked forward to the time where we could meet again and perhaps talk some.

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So that is an open conversation, but I don't really expect it to have anything accomplished through the conversation.

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It really seems that they've made a decision on the direction that they're going, and through the silence.

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Some folks would say you just hear crickets or whatnot. Well, Justin, crickets are much louder because there's just nothing here except for they're just moving forward and continuing on.

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So I haven't heard any change. Now, I gotta be honest with you. If some little old pastor out in the country or whatnot, we're not really in the country, kind of feels like it, and yourself did a video about something that perhaps

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I was doing and I was in the wrong, I believe that that would wake up my conscience.

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I would follow my knees and repent and go to the people and say, folks,

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I've been given to a worldly philosophy. Please forgive me from the bottom of my heart.

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I am sorry. And then I would cry out to God not to strike me dead for these things.

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And be transparent. There is such an opportunity right now for David Youth to be a leader in the

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SPC and to demonstrate that this woke social justice direction is complete heresy.

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It's worldly. It's going with the worldly narrative. And if he would speak up and say, listen, this is something that's happened in my own life, and I wanna be transparent, and I wanna be a leader for change,

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I think that it could be a great thing. But nevertheless, you hear nothing on that matter.

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And not nothing from Danny either. So, David called, Danny didn't.

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That's kind of where it was after that. Danny DeArmas being the executive associate pastor,

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I believe. So just for those people who don't know. Okay.

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So, Casey, what have you been hearing since our last video went up?

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What is the feedback been? Have you received any criticism? Or what has that been like?

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So, like I said, I had no idea what to expect. And I have been inundated with phone calls and emails with nothing but gratitude and gratefulness for the clarity.

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I am so surprised at how many people who are confused and living in pain right now.

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And Justin, when I get a phone call from someone who has been seeing this for years at First Orlando, their heart is just in turmoil.

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And it literally takes two or three hours for them just to unpack how they feel and what they've seen.

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And I've got a lot of testimonies whom we can talk through, but for the most part, you've got a lot of folks who are really, really confused in how to move forward.

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They've got friends and family that are tied in with First Orlando, with leadership. And it's a real situation.

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There's a lot of ministry that needs to be done. I can only trust the Lord that he'll utilize all of this pain for his good.

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And I look forward to seeing people rebound from this. I'll give you one testimony, just to kind of get things rolling.

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One gentleman who got out of the army, came back and joined First Orlando and got married and had kids and everything, was married there at First Orlando and was there for quite a while.

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He left a couple of years ago, somewhere around there. And he kind of felt like what he had seen, that he couldn't really talk about because he didn't want to talk bad about a church, especially a pastor.

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And so he really couldn't say to his friends and family why their family was leaving.

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And he felt silenced for the last couple of years. Him and his wife felt like they were living in a jail. And what an awkward situation to be in.

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And so nevertheless, after our video posted and he saw that, he emailed me right away and requested to meet in person.

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And he shared with me his personal experience there. And it just verifies everything that we said and more.

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So even down to a racial reconciliation workshop that he and his wife attended.

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And in that, there were Stanley videos played, there was critical race theory tenets that were taught.

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They were accused as white people of being racist. He personally felt like that David and Danny don't have any accountability.

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I've had others say that there can be some pushback from plenty of folks there at First Orlando if they do.

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But this one in particular felt like our video was spot on and he had been there for a long time.

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And he appreciated our warning everyone to kind of wake up and then it's time to move on.

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His personal observations were that the terminology is being changed slowly.

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And we use the words conditioning. And he said that sin has been replaced with words like brokenness.

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And so rather than preaching against sin, brokenness is the idea.

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And he mentioned this, I thought it was theologically spot on that in doing that, you search depravity.

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And so you're no longer addressing the depravity of man. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, it's sad.

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And it's interesting, he said that they were accused of, if you're white, you're racist.

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That's straight out of the social justice playbook, critical race theory, playbook, intersectionality, straight out of that.

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So of course, if you admit you're a racist, well, obviously you're a racist. But if you say, well, no, I'm not a racist.

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Ah, see, your denial proves you're a racist. So it's a lose -lose situation.

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You literally cannot win for losing. So either way you go with it, you're a racist with CRT and intersectionality.

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So go ahead. Yeah, exactly right. And along with this gentleman's firsthand testimony and in -person meeting with me, like I said,

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I've been inundated with emails and phone calls that simply verify everything that will be said.

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Another testimony from a prior First Baptist Orlando meeting, this is what was said, and I quote,

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I don't regret informing you regarding the sin at First Baptist Orlando. I'm glad you guys did the video.

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So one of the reasons my heart was initially stirred was because of this individual who

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I'm talking about, which is different from the one at the testimony I just mentioned. I was contacted by him and we went and met, and it was before our video, and I had just a slew of facts from this guy.

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And I thought, this is insane. I know that what you were saying is real, but I gotta go see it firsthand.

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So that's the reason why I went to First Baptist Orlando while I was on a sabbatical, just to see for myself what he was saying was true.

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And that was the case. And so now you've got one whom is a prior First Baptist Orlando informant,

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I guess you would say, who was saying everything that I shared with you and that you guys shared online is true, and I don't regret saying and letting you know all those things.

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And in addition to all of the information that we shared already is a ton of pictures via like a

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Facebook connection that he didn't feel comfortable disclosing. And those are pictures of homosexual men in Bible study being apart and all that kind of stuff.

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And two married men engaged with the

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Bible studies at First Baptist Orlando, I guess life groups. And so nevertheless, perhaps this testimony with these two men is connected with the following testimony that I've received even just today.

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I received a phone call and spoke with a prior homosexual.

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And he had been a member of First Baptist Orlando since he was a child.

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He went through the school there at FBO and became a homosexual early in life, went to college, lived what he would call hell.

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That's what he described the homosexual lifestyle as, destructive. And so nevertheless, after 20 plus years, he came back to First Baptist Orlando and Jim Henry welcomed him.

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Jim Henry loved him, but did not affirm his lifestyle. Jim Henry being a former pastor.

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Right. Okay. So Jim Henry did a great job with telling him the truth and leading him out of the lifestyle.

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And to his own testimony, he would say, I'm forever indebted to Jim Henry and the ministry there at First Baptist Orlando.

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And I'm so grateful. And he has divorced his partner. He was married to another man.

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And in his own testimony, he said, Casey, I still want to see my old partner saved.

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I still want to see him come to Christ. You know, I don't hate him. So nevertheless, his testimony is this.

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He called his prior partner up and asked him about his salvation and it wasn't there.

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But yet he's been baptized at First Orlando and the leadership there, they know him and they know of his open lifestyle with multiple partners and he still was baptized.

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So this is, you know, firsthand testimony. And I can only hope that things are tightening up over there.

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That's, you know, optimistic, but nevertheless, he would say, how can

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I leave my ex -partner to Christ if he feels like he's already been saved and he has been affirmed and baptized there at First Orlando?

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And so you see that there would have to be a lot of repentance and a lot of backtracking, a lot of undoing, a lot of work, a lot of one -on -one meetings from David and Danny for the damage that they've done.

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I mean, incomprehensibly so. So you're saying this is someone from the inside of former homosexual, married to a man, he's genuinely saved now.

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And so he has joined the ranks of 1 Corinthians 6, verse 11, for such were some of you.

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Praise God, he's joined those ranks, but his former partner, quote unquote, husband, which technically was,

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I mean, God defines marriage, not the state, but at any rate. So this other man is known to First Baptist Orlando, and known to the pastors there, was baptized anyway, despite him living an open homosexual lifestyle, baptized anyway, and apparently has multiple partners, but they baptized him anyway.

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That's the testimony. Yeah, I mean,

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I'll speak for myself here, and so I won't put this on you, but if that is going on, and it is, at First Baptist Orlando, you can't undo that with the current leadership.

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You can't undo that with David Youth and Danny DeArmas, because they have proved themselves to be biblically unqualified to be in ministry.

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If that's what the pastors are doing, they're not qualified to be pastors. Right. And so their repentance would be shown by stepping down.

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And that's what repentance would look like from them, because they're not biblically, they're not able to teach sound doctrine.

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They cannot refute those who contradict. They have a woefully inadequate understanding of salvation, of regeneration, of the gospel, period.

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So anyway, I'll put that on me, but -

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We kind of covered that in the first video as well, in that they're disqualified. And it's just the facts of the matter that I agree with you, to be honest with you.

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And I think that you can probably hear the soberness in my voice. It's a sad thing, the day that which we lived in to see these types of things happening.

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But that's the truth of the matter. True repentance would be public because of this public sin. Absolutely.

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Yeah. You know, I want to make sure, and I've always made sure that I do things biblically.

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And in 1 Timothy 5, verse 19, it says, do not receive an accusation against an elder, except on the basis of two or three witnesses.

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Well, we'll kind of work through this, but man, try 50, try 100.

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And I've literally been swamped with communication and just overrun.

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And then in verse 20, it says, those who continue in sin rebuke in the presence of all.

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And that's verse 19 to verse 20. For any of those who feel like that it was inappropriate for us to call out

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Danny and David publicly, we'll see when an elder sins publicly, he's to be rebuked in the presence of all and get the rest of verse 20.

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It's very important. So that the rest will also be fearful of sinning. Yeah. And that's one of this prior homosexual's points, his testimony of being converted, and then now developing a healthy hatred for the lifestyle and wants to see his homosexual friends coming out of the lifestyle.

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He says this, he would say, those who are trying to come out of the lifestyle are incredibly vulnerable.

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And when they see homosexuality on display, aka serving, you know, at First Orlando, then they think that it's okay and it's easy for them to slip back into the lifestyle.

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Yeah. And so the demonstration of the affirmation there at First Orlando is literally causing that much pain and suffering and sin.

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And so for them to continue to do these things and not to say publicly, folks, we've been in error, we've had a few things out of place, we got to repent.

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Obviously they haven't even bridged that, but yet how they've been responded was rather distasteful,

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I guess. Yeah. I was surprised. Yeah, you're talking about the sermon where he referenced our video, is that right?

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Yeah, yeah. So I'd have to, I don't have it in front of me. I don't remember exactly what

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Sunday that was, but that was a couple of months ago. Do you remember? Two or three months ago?

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Whenever we posted the last video, it was the Sunday after. Sunday after. Yeah. And he referenced this.

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He was very clearly talking about us. And he said that we told lie after lie after lie about First Baptist Orlando.

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Okay, so let's talk about that. If that's true, Casey, if you and I told lie after lie after lie about First Baptist Orlando and David Youth and Danny DeArmas, then you and I need to be working at Burger King.

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That's right. We shouldn't be in ministry. But we didn't tell any lies.

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We had our facts straight. All of those facts have been confirmed in spades since then, over and over and over and over since then.

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So what would you have to say to what David Youth said about us?

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Yeah, so obviously, again, it was a case for being inundated with texts and emails and phone calls when that was done.

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And part of living around here, I guess, and us all having mutual acquaintances. So I went and listened to the message and he was speaking from Ephesians 4 .14.

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As a result, we are no longer to be children tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness and deceitful scheming.

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So he would say, he kind of referenced us as being the crafty ones and the deceitful ones and deceitful scheming and then called us liars.

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So nevertheless, I thought that was disingenuous, inaccurate and inappropriate way to respond because you and I are not preaching a sermon before people.

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I'm not using people to step on somebody else. If anything, this is simply a call to righteousness and good conscience.

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We want folks to be able to see what is true and continue to walk with the

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Lord Jesus Christ. And if we have elders who are sinning publicly and nobody calls them out, nobody's rebuking them, then there's a few things going on there.

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Number one, our personal calling into ministry should be in question because we don't have the fortitude and the boldness to preach like a prophet in the

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Old Testament and to warn others like Ezekiel 33 calls us to be. We're first of all to warn.

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John the Baptist preached repentance. Jesus affirmed his messages. Repentance is first.

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And so we've got to call people to repentance. This is primary. And if we're not able to rebuke those who contradict the scriptures, right in the text of Titus chapter one, right in the middle of qualified elders, then we're not worth our calling.

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So nevertheless, it's a sad day there. And when he called us liars,

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I would just simply say, okay, let's go back through the video point for point for point.

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And I, and you, I know you, you would gladly say, please forgive me if I'm wrong on any point at all,

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I will publicly say to you, I'm sorry, I've misspoken. And that has been my heart the entire time.

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If I have someone who calls me and shares with me facts, then I'm gonna write it down. And brother,

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I would read it straight to you if I had anything other than verified testimonies.

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I only have one thing to share with you by way of correction. And so let me look for that.

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So the question was, and this was so surprising, by the way, the correction came by way of a question.

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It said, why in the world would you guys call, or he actually was talking to me, call them out publicly?

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Why would you do it publicly by name? And so I listened to about 30 minutes of grief and was very, very humble, very contrite.

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And then just simply said, well, in 2 Timothy 2, verse 17,

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Paul calls out gossip by name with Hymenaeus and Philetus. And then in 2

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Timothy 4 .10, he calls out Demas, who was a deserter. And then he called out by name, those who caused harm to others in the faith, and that being

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Alexander in 2 Timothy 4 .14. And then he called out by name, those who deserted the faith in 2

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Timothy 1 .15, that being Phygelus and Hermogenes.

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It's hard to pronounce those names, but that's who they are. And then in 1 Timothy 1 .20,

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Paul calls out Hymenaeus and Alexander for shipwrecking their faith. And this is

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Paul being an example to Timothy and church discipline, obviously, is missing in our ecclesiology and how we do church by and large, not at our church.

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We do church discipline. If a sheep has gone astray, then we go through Matthew 18 very clearly, very gently with the goal of restoration.

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And so nevertheless, I shared the scriptures, not stories.

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And then to my surprise, there was a complete U -turn in the conversation. And I feel like the individual was probably just sharing the hurt from the heart, but knew that it was right and it needed to be done.

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And so to be honest with you, we don't have even one iota of a correction from the last video.

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And that to me is astounding. I want people to hear that.

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I want people, I want that to seek in with people. So after two, and I did one video myself, and then if memory serves me, at least we've got at least three videos on my

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YouTube channel dealing with this. And I can honestly say with a crystal clear conscience before God, I have not had one person email me or call me or whatever and say,

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Justin, you are wrong. Here's why you're wrong. You're wrong. And in fact, here's why you're wrong.

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Not one single person has done that. Now there's a guy who has a YouTube channel and he's put videos up.

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I don't know if you've seen them or not, but criticizing us, saying that we lied about First Baptist Orlando.

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No, we didn't. No. We have not lied. There's not one thing that we have said has been refuted.

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And if it had, I would absolutely own it. You would own it.

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So we've made very serious allegations against a very large, very prominent

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Southern Baptist church. And nothing's been refuted.

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Yeah. And it's all of it. All of the feedback, 100 % of the feedback has been confirmed.

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And then some. In fact, I'll run through some more, if you don't mind.

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Yeah, sure. Please. So they've got a large private school and a testimony from a prior teacher at the

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First Academy there at First Baptist Orlando, testified of seeing the same things.

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And in fact, over 10 years ago, when she started spotting the decline, the downgrade,

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I guess you could say, if you're a Charles Spurgeon fan. Whitney Phipps, P -H -I -P -P -S,

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Whitley Phipps came and he was a guest speaker. And I guess he was sharing some critical race theory tenets on a

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Sunday morning. And that caused a lot of concern way back then. So nevertheless, the teachers are definitely caught in a conundrum.

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If they see these things and whatnot, what are they to do? Another prior

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First Baptist Orlando member who was also connected with the Brazilian church there, a

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Spanish ministry. I'm not sure if they have two different Spanish ministries or not. But nevertheless, they say the

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Brazilian families are leaving in the droves as well over this mess. So that's a testimony.

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I can't verify it, but that's what's been said. And a prior member called again and said that he was baptized there.

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And now God's called him into the ministry and he is a pastor. He's moved on.

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I don't know where he's at, but he appreciates us standing strong. Then another former homosexual called and testified to the same thing.

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Let's see, a pastor in Texas called, not Tom Buck, by the way. He knows people at First Baptist Orlando and was incredibly appreciative of the stance and the clarity because there's just a need.

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These people know people there and they're concerned about their friends and family. Believe it or not, a member at First Baptist Woodstock called and man, his email was scathing towards First Orlando, but appreciative to us for standing up.

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He said, I personally wanna thank you for not compromising the word of God relative to critical race theory and the

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LGBTQ initiatives as being accepted by many of our Southern Baptist Convention churches.

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I have just listened to you and Justin Peters about the heresy that has taken place at First Baptist Orlando.

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At the moment, I'm ashamed to even be identified with the SBC. It is apparent to me that the current leadership of the

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SBC is embracing both critical race theory and the LGBT agenda and initiatives.

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They have already capitulated on women pastors. It also appears that the North American Mission Board is partnering with First Baptist Orlando for church plants or startups on the campus of University of Central Florida.

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And that's true in many others. They've got other church plants as well. And this will only compound the issues with the

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SBC embracing what God calls an abomination and a perverted sin.

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So I can verify what he has said.

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When someone sends this email and talks about women preachers at First Baptist Orlando, the last thing

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I'm gonna do is come on with you and say, yes, if I don't know for sure. So I did.

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I went and checked it out and just looked around and it's very true.

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So I hear recently they've had a woman preach on Sunday morning named Kelly Mentor.

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She spoke on May the 1st, then Stacey Thacker on August the 18th at their church plant as well.

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Verizon West is a church plant that's pastored by Chris Ogden. And he had

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Holly Rockefeller speak on May 22nd and then Stacey Thacker in August as well. And you and I both know that 1

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Timothy 2, 12 says that I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over a man. And if we trust

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God and believe in his words and we tremble at his word, I can't help but read

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Isaiah 66 too. Thus all these things came into being declares the Lord but to this one

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I will look to him who is humble and contrite of spirit and who trembles at my word.

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Amen. I must admit I tremble representing God in his word every time

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I speak. Yes. I tremble at misrepresenting

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God and saying what is a slightly not true. I just cannot imagine.

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I would not be able to sleep Justin if I did one iota of a thing that was out of line with God's word.

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My conscience would just be shredded. Yes. My peace would be gone.

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I just, I can't even tell you. I mean, I would run to repentance. I would do everything that needed to be done to be right with God.

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Yeah. But to continuously to go down this road, obviously we differ with them theologically.

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Egalitarianism is a stance that David Youth clearly stands upon which is not complimentarian and that opens the door for women preachers and a lot of other things.

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It opens the door for pragmatism and once you allow this downgrade to start happening, really what you're doing is appealing to the people, the majority.

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You're kind of pulling the community to see what's popular and you're formulating your ministries and your messages based upon what you think the people wanna hear, what's popular.

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You kind of get them in the door and once you are on that hook and you're reacting to the culture, it's gonna sink you and it's gonna take you to the very bottom of the culture even down to accepting critical race theory, homosexuality,

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LGBT because this is what our culture is hungry for and that is the road that they're on and I'm just,

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I'm so, so surprised that with so many at First Baptist Orlando now being made aware of this that there hasn't been just an onslaught of people to push back on this and to make it a clear statement from the leadership.

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This is not who First Baptist Orlando is. We wanna make sure that everybody knows that we stand on the word of God and I believe that they can.

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There's plenty of people still there who love the Lord and who know Christ and who value the inerrancy of God's word and can stand and if they say, we're not gonna stop it until, but here's the game and this is another firsthand testimony.

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The game that's played is this. You call the office and request a meeting. You're a member of First Baptist Orlando, right?

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Well, you may be granted a meeting. There's just only a chance and then if you are granted a meeting, it's months out and then after months go by, you get the runaround and so that's how they intentionally delay and wear them out.

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Now, to their credit, they have met with a lot of people since our video and have been in cleanup mode and have been trying to work hard to salvage, but it was the same story that they fed me.

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So many who met with David and Danny came back around and said, yep, you're right.

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Everything that you said that they said to you, they said to me, same stories. And so that's how the game is played, which tells us that they've made their mind up, they're continuing in the direction that they're going and the die is cast.

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They're not changing course. Yeah, yeah, no, and no, and they won't.

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I mean, they won't. Lacking a sovereign move of God's Holy Spirit on their hearts, they won't, but as I said a few minutes ago, okay, so these differences, we're not talking about whether you're pre -trib or mid -trib or was the date of the

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Exodus the 13th or the 15th century or did Paul write Hebrews or did Luke write? We're not talking about minor issues here.

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What we're talking about go to the heart of the gospel, the heart of sin, the heart of the doctrine of man, the heart of the doctrine of God, our

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Christology, the atonement, I mean, these are primary issues. First tier, primary issues.

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And so if they can't get these things right, I mean, that's not a church.

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First Baptist Orlando is not a church. It calls itself a church, but it's not a church by the biblical definition of the term.

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It's not a church as how God defines a church. Yeah, Ephesians chapter five, verse three says, but immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you.

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Yeah, not even a hint of immorality should be even named or spoken of, but much less characterized.

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Right, and you and I would add, whether it's homosexual or heterosexual, sin is not to be named among God's people.

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So, I mean, this is just stunning. And I'm looking at the notes you sent me before we started recording.

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You say there's another testimony from someone at First Baptist Orlando who witnessed two homosexual men being baptized in the baptistry together.

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Yeah, so one of the men was baptized. And what they promote there at First Orlando is that if you lead someone to Christ, you should come in the baptistry with them to support them.

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So oftentimes there's the pastor who was baptizing, the one being baptized, and then the support or the friend or whomever.

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So oftentimes you'll have three or more people there at the same time in the baptismal waters.

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And I mean, that's cool. But at the same time, if everybody, and this is the testimony, everybody knew that this was a couple, two men, a couple, and one being baptized.

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A couple, a homosexual couple being baptized. Both in the water.

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There's no defense of that. This is, there is no defense.

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It is an indictment on the SBC that they haven't kicked this church out of the denomination.

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I don't even know why First Baptist Orlando wants to, well, yeah, I do. I just answered my own question in my own head because of the direction the

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SBC is going. But I mean, 10, 20 years ago, they would have joined the

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Cooperative Baptist Fellowship, which is the liberal. They were too liberal for the

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SBC back after the conservative resurgence. And so they broke off, they formed their own little play party.

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The liberals who didn't, who came out on the losing side of the conservative resurgence.

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I remember that. Or no, I remember reading about that. And that's surprising.

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You know, I'm from North Carolina and First Baptist Church of Winston -Salem, where I was born, now is pastored by a woman.

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And that's a Cooperative Baptist Church. I remember thinking, oh, this kills me. But, you know,

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I heard today, I had another phone call come in and that Danny removed one of the homosexual couples from service.

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So at first you would think, oh, that's great, right?

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That's good. However, as I thought about that, it seems that they're still untrustworthy.

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If they have been doing this for a long time, they get a little bit of pushback.

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They're still reacting to what is most popular or whatever the need is.

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And so they remove a couple and that is pragmatism.

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If you're simply gonna do what works to try and save face, that's not repentance.

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That's not making it right. That's not doing what we talked about. That's not running to Christ and saying, please forgive me for making this error.

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You know my heart got it, did it intentionally to try and grow the church, to reach the masses, whatever the heart might be.

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That's the only thing that I can guess. But it seems that they are like the ones who are pushing the waves of doctrine around, the cultural waves of doctrine and such.

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Well, I've heard it said, maybe you've heard this little saying, a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.

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Still, yeah. A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.

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So if this had been something, a conviction from his heart, then he would have done this a long time ago.

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I mean, and again, this is not high level discernment here. This is

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Christianity 101 stuff. Yeah. And we mentioned in our last video,

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Danny, correct me if I'm wrong, is either Danny or David told you regarding baptism that we're still trying to figure this out.

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Yeah, yeah. Danny mentioned that he was, he divided into two different categories.

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One that affirmed the church doctrine and those who defer. So those are his made up words, affirm and defer.

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So if you affirm the doctrine, you believe the doctrines that the church espouses.

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And then if you just simply defer to it, the category that he described it as was those who just simply have not maybe crossed over into faith.

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That's Danny's words, crossed over into faith, but yet they defer. So at the same time you think, okay, if they haven't crossed over into faith, why are they being baptized?

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Right. Why are they being baptized? Like you mentioned before, this is the very basics that are being skewed.

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So. And let me say while I'm thinking about it, Casey, because I think this is an important point.

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That fellow with the YouTube channel that delights in criticizing us, one of the points he made, well,

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I went to their doctrinal statement. I went to their website, looked at their doctrinal statement and what

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Justin and Casey are saying about the church and what they believe is wrong. And look, here's their doctrinal statements, good doctrinal statements. There's lots of false churches that have a decent doctrinal statement that would pass a basic doctrinal smell test.

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And Joel Osteen's church has that. Kenneth Copeland's church has that. I mean, they're gonna throw in the lingo, but I'm all for a detailed doctrinal statement.

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You can go to my website. I wrote my own doctrinal statements, very detailed. You can see exactly what

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I believe on most everything. But it doesn't matter.

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So there's a lot of churches that teach against their own doctrinal statement, that teach things that are a contradiction to their own doctrinal statement.

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But they just have that on their website just to throw a dog a bone just so, yeah, look at my doctrinal statement.

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You know, but they go and they teach and they practice. Their orthodoxy and their orthopraxy is in contradiction to their own statement of faith.

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Mm -hmm, yeah. You know, in reference back to the two homosexual men who were asked to step down, the phone call that I got in regards to that particular testimony, this gentleman was talking with this couple and these two men, the couple, and he asked them about repenting and separating.

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And this is what the homosexual couple said. They said that they have prayed about it and they have heard from God that it is a loving monogamous,

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I knew that you would like that, a loving monogamous relationship, but you'll love this response.

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The response was this. I have no doubt that you have heard from a God. And I thought that was a wise, but yet straightforward statement.

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And, you know, I could read a ton of scripture to just portray our heart, just in case there is anyone from the homosexual community or the

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LGBT community listening to us. First Timothy 1 .5

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says, but the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.

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For some men straying from these things have turned aside. So there's plenty who have turned aside and our instruction here would just be from a sincere heart.

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We truly want the best for everybody. And that would be whatever sin it might be to repent from that, to confess before God and to cry out to be reconciled and saved through the atonement of the

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Lord Jesus Christ. And so nevertheless, we continue to use whatever platform

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God gives us to be able to spread the gospel and share the hope of Christ with those who are trapped, especially underneath these pretenses.

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I truly hope that perhaps we may be a catalyst to be able to help move people towards boldness and demand from the leadership, whether David and Danny step down and other leaders come, however it works, that they would clarify their belief in the sufficiency of scripture, not just the inerrancy, but the sufficiency of scripture and make it very, very clear publicly.

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I mean, talk about the world watching. I mean, they're on television. They've got a huge following on media and the attendance there, it's three services, not that the place is full or anything, but man, it's

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First Baptist Orlando. Unfortunately, most around here would say if First Orlando is doing it, then that must be what is to be being done as a church.

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That must be right. That's coming from the higher ups, right? And I'm verifying that with you.

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If First Baptist Orlando is doing it, they're our example. Now, obviously we would refute that and say, no,

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Christ and the scriptures are our example, but I'm just saying how it is. Most pastors would look to First Baptist Orlando or other larger churches to see how to do their ministries.

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And if I could just say, don't do that. The scriptures are sufficient. Our ministries are prescribed.

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God is enough. Preach the word of God. Let God have the results. Let him grow the church.

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You just focus on growing the people and let God do these things. So never let him.

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That's right. Yeah, amen. Amen. I echo your heart,

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Casey, in that if there are any homosexuals watching us, you do not hate homosexuals.

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I do not hate homosexuals. In fact, I would say, and I say this all the time in my seminar that I do,

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Clouds Without Water, but the most loving thing you can do for someone is to tell them the truth. Amen.

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That's the most loving thing you can do. The most hateful thing you can do to someone is to know the truth, but don't tell them.

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If you really wanna show someone hatred, know the truth, but don't tell them.

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And you and I happen to believe 1 Corinthians 6, verse nine, when Paul says, do not be deceived.

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Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor revilers, nor covetous, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

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Right. Now, homosexuality is not the only thing that will send you to hell. Absolutely not. But if you die in that state, you will not inherit the kingdom of God.

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If you die in an unrepentant state in your sin, whatever that sin is outside of Christ, one of which is homosexuality, then you will not inherit the kingdom of God.

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And so you and I actually believe that, and we don't want that for people.

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We don't want that for anyone. We want them to come to a knowledge of the truth. We want them to come to a place of genuine repentance and faith in Christ.

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And we want them to join the ranks of 1 Corinthians chapter six, verse 11, when

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Paul says, but such were some of you. You were those things. You were a reviler, but you're not anymore.

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You were a covetous, but you're not anymore. You were a fornicator, but you're not anymore. You were a homosexual, but you're not anymore.

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Because you've been washed, you've been justified, sanctified. So, and there is real freedom.

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There were people in the Corinthian church who got saved out of homosexuality.

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They used to be homosexuals. They used to be Corinthianizers, yeah. Yeah, exactly. But they weren't anymore.

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They got saved. They heard the gospel. They repented, placed their faith in Christ.

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They were saved. Old things passed away. Behold, all things were made new. They became new creatures in Christ.

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And I believe that. You and I believe that. We believe that the power of God is the gospel, and then it can save people, homosexuals included.

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Yeah, and this is nothing new. The Colossian church was being tempted with a heresy.

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And these were, by all means, Christians within the Colossian church that the

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Apostle Paul is talking to in Colossians 2, 4. I say this so that no one will delude you with a persuasive argument.

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And so that's the beginning stages of Gnosticism. And then in verse eight, see to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.

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And so it's just simply, we have to tell the truth so that those who are being tempted, because Satan's a tempter, to tempt them to be drug away from Christ so that they can see

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Christ for who he truly is. Colossians chapter one is one of the strongest cases for the deity of Christ.

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And this is essentially an assault on Christ himself. And I mean, what

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I have to say, I have one verse for Danny and David. And if by chance this video could get forwarded to them for someone who has their cell phone, number it's 2

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Timothy 1 .9. And I would kind of preface this, if you're called,

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I don't know how anyone can do these things, who's called, but if you're called for 2 Timothy 1 .9

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says, God has called us with a holy calling. Our culture has switched the attributes of God around and reprioritized

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God as love as a first priority rather than as holiness. Yeah. But holiness is who he is, first of all.

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That's right. Secondly, he's love. And I fear that a lot of those whom are trapped in the homosexual community would be confused by David's language and how he capitalizes on the love of God so much over the holiness.

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And the holiness demands judgment of sin. So these things that are absent in his preaching, by and large, not always, there's hints and there's drops of sin here and there that he'll talk about, but he is not addressing the primary issue of today.

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What our culture will drag you out into the streets over and mock you for is if you buck the

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LGBTQ community movement and this gender identity movement and how medical professionals and therapists and such will lose their jobs if they go against this narrative, it's entrenched.

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And I can't help but believe that First Baptist Orlando has done their homework. They've done their studies.

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They know where the world is going. They don't want to be persecuted. They don't want to see

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First Baptist Orlando shrink in its size or lose their numbers. This is all personal speculation.

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It's the only thing I can come up with. All I see is a normal explanation. Yeah, the pragmatic explanation for why they would abandon the scriptures and do these things.

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So nevertheless, I have prayed a whole lot for David and Danny and for First Baptist Orlando and most assuredly for the people there.

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And I sought out some advice as to whether or not to do a follow -up video.

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And one pastor of a large First Baptist church said this to me.

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He said, Casey, I used to be an attorney and you need to stack the evidence, represent it so that it can be clear to those who are confused.

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And at that point, I thought to myself, I know for sure that there are hundreds who are still confused.

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And if by chance, a follow -up video would bring clarity and restate that what we said before has been verified by multiple testimonies.

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Maybe that would help them to be able to make a decision for them and their family.

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Or maybe that would help them to be able to stand strong and be bold and fight the good fight of faith, whatever that looks like for them in their context.

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So certainly have a clear conscience. Yeah, absolutely. Our first video, or maybe

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I should say my first video, I did based off of primary source statements directly from the mouth of David Youth and Danny DeArmas and going back all the way to the

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Pulse nightclub shooting back in 2016, 17, 16, I think.

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Going back to that and the horrific statements that were made there and what happened there. But after that,

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I started getting confirmation from people who were members of First Baptist Orlando. Then I interviewed you and we started getting more and then our previous video went up.

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And so since then to now, I mean, the evident, it's just been an avalanche. It's just been an avalanche of confirmation.

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So we've had confirmation all throughout this. It's just, now it's just absolutely overwhelming.

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Yeah. You know, in the book of Titus, one of the things that he was instructed to fight against was those prophets who were coming in and preaching for money.

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There were hirelings. And Titus, you know, was a younger man and he was faced with an insurmountable task to go in there and straighten out the churches.

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And it's possible. It just takes one bold, strong young man or a family or a group of deacons.

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The deacons over the years there at First Orlando. So I have heard have been gradually dismantled and usurped and overlooked.

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And the deacons meetings have just been informational. So the leadership has told them, you know, what's going on.

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And however their constitution reads, I don't know. But deacons are qualified servants in the church and they have clout.

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They have influence. They have a voice. They have the ability to make change if they want to.

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If they come together and they pray and they demand that their leadership publicly state and make it clear where they stand on all of these issues, social justice, critical race theory, homosexuality,

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LGBTQ. And that comes down to the specifics. You know, when Lifeway did a recent conference there, they had a social justice warrior come and speak,

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Jackie Hill Perry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. State clearly to the leadership, we do not want anyone who is affirming to this movement at this church nor the church plants, period.

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And we wanna hear this publicly. I can't think of anything better that could happen. The very fact that you would give the pulpit to Jackie Hill Perry, I mean, she says that she was a lesbian and she says she's not now.

01:00:03

She's married now to a man, but she is very much woke, very much into social justice, has no problem at all with same -sex attraction, which is also sinful, but not in the woke world, it's not.

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So yeah, that speaks volumes that they would have her. So it's, you know,

01:00:26

I keep coming back, I said it before, but I'll say it again. I hope they'll repent.

01:00:32

I really do. I hope they will repent, but this has been going on at this church for so long, for years now.

01:00:41

This is not - Right underneath the noses of the members. Yes, this is not a, you know, a one -off or one or two things that kind of, you know, slipped in.

01:00:50

And yeah, this has been going on for years. It's been the settled disposition of a leadership at this church, and they're not qualified to be a pastor.

01:01:02

They're not qualified to be in leadership at a church at all.

01:01:08

And it points, I'm sorry, it points to a bigger problem as well. Like you kind of mentioned already that there isn't any parliamentarian procedures for the

01:01:20

SBC leaders in the convention to kind of do anything except to disfellowship them.

01:01:27

And so that would be our call as well, disfellowship First Baptist Orlando, unless, hold them.

01:01:35

I mean, you got it right here. Look at this. The SBC church, we are called, especially planters to pledge that women cannot be pastors.

01:01:46

I mean, that is policy. And to go against the policy regards some type of follow -up.

01:01:55

Yeah. Nevertheless, what we have, what kind of recourse do we have as pastors in churches?

01:02:01

Well, our money goes into the cooperative program, and that goes to places like the

01:02:06

North American Mission Board and through NAM, it's sent to the SEND program to places like the

01:02:12

Florida Baptist Convention. Florida Baptist Convention is partnering with NAM, with First Baptist Orlando to plant churches.

01:02:20

And so our cooperative funds are being given to missions in church planting efforts and many other things, theological education, you name it, for missionaries,

01:02:29

North American missionaries, but specifically right back here to church plants.

01:02:35

So you've got a violation of policy. You got a violation of scripture happening right here underneath our noses.

01:02:43

It merits a call for explanation and change. It merits this.

01:02:49

And so this is a pledge and they have broken that. You know, guys like Rick Warren have been getting away with it for years.

01:02:58

He just resigned and, you know, named his successor. And this couple also has, you know, women pastors at their church.

01:03:08

So I guess Andy Wood and Stacey Wood both are teaching pastors. And now they're gonna follow

01:03:14

Rick Warren and they're still a Southern Baptist church. You know, he ordained three women pastors some time ago and the list just goes on and on and on, not to mention the many things that we've talked about already with homosexuality and the convention before.

01:03:34

So anyway, I don't wanna drag it all out, but it's just so deep and so connected.

01:03:41

And what I'm finding is that when I call and kind of try and work my way up the chain of command, of course, the

01:03:51

SBC is not a hierarchy. So, you know, but you do have leadership. So I call and they'll listen, but there's just nothing that they'll do.

01:04:02

And they will be very optimistic in giving them the benefit of the doubt.

01:04:07

And then when I kind of push back gently and say, well, what if I was to tell you, I got facts about this, this, and this, and this.

01:04:14

And then a change of subject happens and stuff like that.

01:04:20

So nevertheless, yeah. Yeah. What do you do?

01:04:27

Yeah. I'll tell you one other thing that was rather striking. A lot of predominant pastors in Central Florida were invited, conservative predominant pastors were invited to meet

01:04:40

Rhonda Sanchez here recently. And now generally speaking, anything that happens that is of any notoriety, any popularity, anything at all that's big, there's going to be representation from First Baptist Orlando there.

01:04:59

And it is the center church. It is the biggest church. So nevertheless, obviously the invitation would have been extended to First Orlando to come to meet

01:05:12

Rhonda Sanchez and have a meeting. Well, I got in through a friend, not that I'm anybody.

01:05:19

So I got in through a friend and I was able to bring our associate pastor and I was able to meet Rhonda Sanchez and sit in a meeting with him.

01:05:26

It was fantastic to hear from our governor who was doing so well at fighting against critical race theory and social justice and all of these things.

01:05:34

I like Rhonda Sanchez. I like, but anyway, go ahead. Right? Yeah, we want to keep him.

01:05:40

So yeah. I want him in the White House. But anyway, go ahead. Yeah. Go ahead.

01:05:46

So nevertheless, I just thought it was noteworthy in that they were not there at the meeting with Rhonda Sanchez.

01:05:53

And I went back in my mind the first time we met and they claimed not to be a part of the conservatives in the

01:06:00

Southern Baptist Convention. So in the midst of 80 conservative pastors and here in Central Florida attending this meeting, they were not there.

01:06:12

And there wasn't any representation there. Along with the fact that they are not part of the conservative

01:06:19

Baptist network within the Southern Baptist Convention, whom are doing their dead level best to invoke change in the

01:06:27

SBC and to get Tom Askall voted as the

01:06:32

Southern Baptist Convention president because he is very clear and very humble, but bold to be able to stand up against the woke agenda, especially by his video, by what standard he has revealed everything.

01:06:47

And so all the facts are laid on the table. And if anybody listening is not seen by what standard, they've got to watch that video.

01:06:54

That'll re -clarify everything that we're saying and how it's kind of working its way through. And then they also are supportive of Bode Bauckham to be the pastor's conference president.

01:07:05

And he has said that he would platform expositors that would speak to the issues of the day.

01:07:12

And I'm excited about this. There's thousands of churches that have joined the conservative

01:07:18

Baptist network and First Baptist Orlando is not a part of that.

01:07:24

Now, their name is on the pastor's conference list there that precedes the

01:07:31

Southern Baptist Convention next week as a financial supporter. And there's a lot of woke pastors on the list to preach before the convention.

01:07:42

And so nevertheless, all of these facts continue to add weight to their actions.

01:07:52

And I know it's hard as a member of First Baptist, not that I'm a member, but for the members at First Orlando, I know it's hard to discern because it's a massive issue and there's so many different moving parts, but we're just simply trying to talk slowly about all of these little things and how all of these little things reveal a narrative.

01:08:14

There has been a decision. They're going in a certain direction and it's been verified.

01:08:20

I don't know what else that we could do. And then moving from beyond the members to perhaps the pastors here in Central Florida, whom seem to be aloof to the subject,

01:08:32

I think that they're comprehending what's going on and their heart is agonizing.

01:08:38

And when you're comprehending this, there's a season of agony that you go through and it almost renders you speechless.

01:08:46

You don't know what to say, much less know how to fight against it. But I'm just gonna simply say it, it's time to man up and speak against this garbage and stand and be on God's side, no matter what.

01:09:00

Forget about your reputation, forget about your position. So what if your church fires you? So what if they ostracize you?

01:09:07

So what if David and Danny say something negative about you? That doesn't matter. I mean, Jesus covered that in his first sermon,

01:09:14

Matthew chapter five, blessed are you when you're persecuted for my name's sake. That's right, yeah.

01:09:19

I keep going, I'm gonna get too passionate. So I think I'll pull in the neutral. Well, no, hearty amen to that, brother, hearty amen.

01:09:29

Well, Casey, thank you. Thank you very much for your conviction, for your willingness to stand on truth and to speak out on these things publicly.

01:09:40

And I know it's not an easy thing to do, especially in the environment that you're in there in Orlando.

01:09:48

So yeah, I appreciate it, brother. Thank you very much. Hey, you know, one thing that I'm impressed about is the homosexual community who are trying to come out of the lifestyle or who have already come out of the lifestyle.

01:10:00

They have been so gracious to me on the phone. Their emails have been kind and I've been impressed, honestly, by them, more so than even

01:10:10

Christians. That says a lot. That says a lot. When former homosexuals will, through all of this and watching all of this and watching our videos, have called you and affirmed you and affirmed,

01:10:23

I mean, they're not affirming you, they're just affirming the truth. And so that speaks well of them, speaks well of the power of the gospel.

01:10:34

That's what it really speaks well of. Amen. All right. Well, Casey, again, pastor at Beulah Baptist Church in Winter Garden, Florida.

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All right. Well, thank you very much for joining me, brother. Appreciate it. Yes, sir. Thank you.

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I appreciate our friendship. I do as well. I do as well. Dear ones, thank you so much for watching this.

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Hope that it's been helpful to you. And let me just say to any of you who may be watching, maybe you're a member of First Baptist Orlando now and you see these things and you know that there's a lot wrong, but you've been there for a long time.

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You've got friends, you've got family members that are there. Please hear my heart in this. There is nothing more important than the nourishment and shepherding of your soul.

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There is nothing more important. No weightier task can be given to a man than to get up and to preach the word of God.

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As Casey and I said earlier, we tremble when we do that because of the weight of the task.

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So you need to be in a church that has biblically qualified leaders, biblically qualified elders.

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That are who are committed to expositional preaching. A church that practices church discipline per Matthew 18.

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You need to be in a good church because it's only there that you can grow. A church congregation is simply not going to rise to a level of spiritual maturity above that of its leadership.

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It's just not gonna happen. So if you see the problems that we're talking about, then find a good solid church and join yourself to it.

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And then, then and only then, will you truly be able to grow in the grace and knowledge of the

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Lord Jesus Christ. And that's what we want for you. Okay, thank you very much for watching. Until our next time together, may the grace of our