December 1, 2020 Show with Geoff Thomas on “Growing in Grace: God-Breathed Counsel from Peter’s Final Words in 2 Peter”

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Peter’s Final Words and the Goal of Growing in Grace

And today is day number two of our two-day discussion with Reverend Jeff Thomas. I love the fact that we have started a tradition with Jeff where when he comes on this program, we schedule him for two days in a row.

I really love that. And yesterday was the first day. Today is the final day, at least for now. Of course, we'll try to get him back on in the near future for two days in a row. But today we are addressing a growing in grace, God-breathed counsel from Peter's final words in 2 Peter.

And Reverend Jeff Thomas, beginning in 1965, served for over 50 years as pastor of Alfred Place Baptist Church in Aberystwyth, Wales. He is very well known to those who know and love the Banner of Truth because he has written for the Banner of Truth and has also spoken at many Banner of Truth conferences.

And he has been not only published by Banner of Truth, but also by Reformation Heritage Books. And we will be providing those websites so you can find out more about Jeff's books from them later on in the program.

But it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back for day number two of our two-day discussion, Reverend Jeff Thomas. Amen, it sure does. And for those of you who are interested in finding out more about Alfred Place Baptist Church in Aberystwyth, Wales, even though our guest today is retired from the ministry there, his grandson is now the pastor there.

And if you want more details, you can go to alfredplacechurch .org .uk. Alfredplacechurch .org .uk. Well, if you want to, since this is a sequel, basically, from yesterday's program, perhaps if you could summarize what we discussed yesterday before we launch into these final words of Peter, in 2 Peter.

The primary reason that you wanted to specifically address Peter's final words today, they are basically his marching orders to the church, aren't they?

Great.

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And you may continue, brother.

The first thing, there are Christians who...

And before we go to that third point, we'll go to our first station break, and if anybody would like to join us in the conversation with a question of your own, again, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com.

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This is an anonymous listener who says,. One of the things that gives me great grief and does not give me peace in the loss of a late spouse is that this late spouse was so wounded by someone many years ago in church that for over a decade she stopped going to church, and she departed from this earth having been someone who didn't enter the door of a church for over a decade, and I am fearful that she was not a true believer primarily because of that.

Are my fears misplaced? Can I still have great hope and confidence? She will be in glory waiting for me when I depart this earth. She never renounced Christ, and she remained a believer, but she refused to attend worship services.

Now I'll have you answer that when we come back, and don't go away. We'll be right back after these messages.

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And before we go to point three of our discussion of growing in grace, Jeff, you may recall that before the break, an anonymous listener was very, very depressed and grieving because he fears his wife, who has passed, is not saved because for over a decade, she did not go to church.

Even though she never stopped professing belief in Christ, she never renounced her faith. It had something to do with being wounded by someone, I'm assuming emotionally, in church, and she just could not get over that and never returned.

Should that be something that absolutely convinces this man that his wife is lost?

Uh, warming up on her.

Christ's blood paid the penalty for all the sins of the elect, and that would even include something like that.

Yeah.

Like neglecting the assembling of the brethren.

Yeah.

So we will pray for our dear brother listening anonymously and that he comes to a perfect peace over the situation. I'll take one more question and then we'll go to point three of your topic. We have Murray in Kinross, Scotland, who asks, Would the first point Jeff Thomas made of caring for others be based on Peter's encouragement, be a lesson Peter himself learned from our Lord, feed my lambs, tend my sheep?

Very much.

Wow, Murray, what a privilege to know that Jeff Thomas is going to use one of your illustrations in his next sermon on this subject. By the way, have you ever been to Kinross, Scotland, where our listener is from?

I don't think so.

Well, brother... I'm sorry, brother.

There's time for me to do it yet, isn't there?

We're all under...

And by the way, Murray, I happen to have fallen in love with Haggis. My former pastor at Grace Baptist Church who took a call to North Preston Evangelical Church in the northern England.

Yes. David, yeah.

Yes, David Campbell. He told me how much he loved Haggis. So I just had to try it. And I ordered it from a company in New Jersey, of all places, called the Scottish Gourmet. And I love the way they made it anyway.

But thank you for listening, Murray, and keep spreading the word about the program in Kinross, Scotland and beyond. Okay, if we could now pick up at point three of your discussion, brother.

Yes, that would help us to grow in grace. To pick up on four and five after our middle break,.

I just have another question from a listener. We have Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania, who says, I keep hearing from preachers and pastors and even just your ordinary Christians who are not Reformed that we who are Calvinists are wrong by constantly bringing up things that are theologically deep in sermons and when we evangelize, such as the doctrines of Calvinism.

And I have constantly responded to them that if you want your hearers to grow in grace, that they should not be kept dumb by an infantile presentation of the scriptures, but they have to have something to reach for.

Now, I understand fully that there is a time and place to bring up things like an unconditional election, and that it is not perhaps the main focus of attention during every time that we evangelize, the lost especially.

But at the same time, I'm very opposed to this idea of dumbing down messages, treating everybody in the room as if they are spiritual infants. And I think that we have to, in order for them to grow in grace, give them the meat of the word.

Now, if you could respond to that, Lister, before we go to our break.

I find it interesting that Jesus Christ himself,.

He actually was not all that concerned that he maintain large, massive groups of followers. And he very often finned out the herd, if you will, by saying things that were very unpopular. And that would include something we who are Calvinists uniquely believe in the church today.

I'm not even sure how non-reformed people interpret this. But in John chapter 6, as you may recall, we have a scene where, let's see, I think it's in verse 50. Let's see, let's go back even further than that.

He says, I'm sorry, in 57, He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood is eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day, for my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.

As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me, he also will live because of me. This is the bread which came down out of heaven, not as the fathers ate and died. He who eats this bread will live forever.

These things he said in the synagogue as he taught in Capernaum. Therefore many of his disciples when they heard this said, this is a difficult statement, who can listen to it? But Jesus, conscious that his disciples grumbled at this, said to them, does this cause you to stumble?

What then if you see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? It is the Spirit who gives life, and the flesh profits nothing. The words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are life, but there are some of you who do not believe.

For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were, who did not believe, and who it was that would betray them. And he was saying, for this reason I have said to you that no one can come to me unless it has been granted him from the Father.

That's the verse that is uniquely Calvinistic. I don't know how Armenians interpret that or exegete that, or should I say exegete that. And then as a result of this, many of his disciples withdrew and were not walking with him anymore.

So even though Jesus knew that that would turn people away, that deep truth that no one comes to Jesus unless it is granted to them from the Father, even though he knew that would turn people away, he preached it anyway.

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