WWUTT 1915 Q&A Christian Coffee, the Location of Eden, Incest in the Bible, G3 Conference

Was incest ever okay in the Bible? Where was the Garden of Eden originally located? And is there a Biblical case for attending big conferences like G3? The answers to these questions and others, when we understand the text.

This is When We Understand The Text, a daily Bible commentary in the Word of Christ, to encourage your time with the Lord. Tell your friends about our ministry at www .utt .com. Here once again is Pastor Gabe.

Thank you Becky. You're welcome. Psalm 71, In you, O Yahweh, I have taken refuge. Let me never be ashamed. In your righteousness, deliver me and protect me. Incline your ear to me and save me. Be to me a rock of habitation to which I may continually come.

You have given the command to save me, for you are my rock and my fortress. Protect me, O my God, out of the hand of the wicked, out of the grasp of the unrighteous and ruthless man. For you are my hope, O Lord Yahweh, you are my trust from my youth.

By you I have been sustained from my birth. You are he who took me from my mother's womb. My praise is continually of you. Such a wonderfully applicable psalm to all kinds of situations. And I've sent that psalm to several people this week.

Oh yeah? Yeah. So it's just kind of a time a lot of people need some encouragement and reminders. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. It's very encouraging. Yeah. Reminders that the Lord is with us, protecting us and has sustained us even from our birth.

Amen. Now you weren't a Christian from your birth. No. But consider that the Lord brought you to the place that he had predestined you to be, to hear the gospel of Christ and be convicted of heart by it and come to faith in Jesus.

Yeah. All of this by the mighty hand of God. First Corinthians 1 .30, it is his doing that you are in Christ Jesus. Amen. So praise the Lord. Even this trial or circumstance or difficulty that you're going through is something that God means for you to go through for your good and for his glory.

Do not be ashamed. Let me never be ashamed in your righteousness. Deliver me and protect me. Yes. Well, this is the Friday edition of our broadcast when we take questions from the listeners. Yes, we do.

And you can submit those questions to whenweunderstandthetext at gmail .com. Babe, have you gotten your Squirrelly Joe's order yet? Not yet. Not yet. Looking forward to it. We've tried Squirrelly Joe's.

We really like it. It's coffee. We're talking about coffee. We? Well, my role in this is to smell it. Ah, I see. Yeah. I don't drink coffee. No. But I like the smell of it and I like a happy wife. Which makes me very happy.

That's right. I buy her the coffee she likes. I think it's the best coffee I've ever had. I was hoping you would say so.

Yeah. Yeah. Now, we love supporting local commerce, but in this particular instance, we're supporting a Christian company. Yes. The fellow that owns and runs Squirrelly Joe's Coffee is a Christian. He's not asked us to do this.

We're not getting a perk. No. Except by drinking the coffee. I'd hope that would perk you up a little bit. I hope so. Right. She's had some.

We're waiting for the new order to come in. Yeah. I ran out not that long ago from the sample pack that you got me.

Which had like all the different kinds. Yeah. And you settled on, what was it called? Early Bird or something like that. Early Bird. Yeah. Which most of the coffee I've ever bought you, you want that light roast or the medium light in the morning.

Yeah. And the rest of it is, I mean, it tastes really, really good. It's just that one was my favorite. But usually with other brands, if I get anything other than some sort of, I guess it's Donut Shop is seems to be the common name that I go to.

I don't even know what that is. But yeah, anyway, go on. But it doesn't have all the extra flavors in it. And so it doesn't irritate my tongue. Yeah. Because something in the others, I don't know if it has cinnamon or what flavor it is.

I don't know. Or if it's just too bitter. But it'll agitate my tongue.

It has real squirrel nuts.

But Squirrely Joes didn't do that at all. Oh, okay. They're darker. Like, the really dark one, it was really, really smooth. Oh, was it? Yeah. It wasn't too heavy for you?

No, it was amazing. Well, I had come across them listening to Justin Bullington's podcast, the Theo Bros podcast. Oh, yeah. And he interviewed the owner. Sorry, owner. I forgot your name. It kind of just left my head.

I know it's a family. Yeah, right. The whole family helps. So, I looked him up online and like, okay, we still haven't found a good coffee for Becky. Yeah. There was a coffee that I was buying you when we were in Kansas that you like.

We moved to Texas. All the brands are different. Yeah. So, I came across this one and, hey, thought I'd give it a shot. See if you liked it. Yeah. And my wife's happy. So, I'm going to keep buying it.

Yes. Passing on the info to you as well.

I know they're on Facebook and they're on Twitter. Yeah. That's Squirrely Joes.

That's Squirrely Joes. I follow him on Twitter. And yeah, again, still can't remember his name. Yeah. I could do the not lazy thing and actually look it up here. You could. But all you need to know is Squirrely Joes and then you're looking up.

Dot com, right? Yep. Squirrelyjoes .com. I think I did a Google search for it. I didn't go straight to the site. But you'll get there if you like good coffee. Check it out. Excellent coffee. There are several Christian coffee makers out there.

Really? Oh, yeah. I had no idea. All different kinds. Is it like reformed coffee? Well, that makes sense. I mean, I'm sure there's one called reformed coffee. Yeah, I don't. I don't drink coffee. I don't think that your morning beverage should injure you.

Injure? Yeah. Injure. How does it injure? It's scalding hot. I put an ice cube in it. It's lava. If I got into it, I would probably drink iced coffee, but I've never been into the taste. I can count on one hand all the cups of coffee I've had in my entire life.

Two of them have been married to you. This is true.

Iced coffee actually doubles the price, if not triple, depending upon where you're at. That's lame.

I know. You're not even using as much energy to heat it. Doesn't make any sense. Yeah. It's a fad. Well, costs on everything have gone up so much, I've had to just cut out soda. I know. I'll drink soda when somebody gifts it to me, but I don't go out and buy it anymore because it's so expensive.

Yeah. But I'll keep you happy with your coffee. Thank you. All right. Well, let's get to some questions here. This first one comes from Daryl. Hello, Gabe and Gabe's babe. Hello. I felt weird calling her babe.

So it's the Gabe and Gabe's babe show. It's almost a little redundant. I have two questions regarding Adam and Eve and the garden. Number one, how can we combat arguments that God is for incest since we all originate from Adam and Eve?

A coworker last week said God is for incest since Adam and Eve's offspring would have had to procreate with each other in order to populate the earth. Second question. This is a question I've wondered for some time.

Do we know geographically where the Garden of Eden was located? I'm curious to know. If nobody was allowed back in after the fall, where is it today? I appreciate the help, love the podcast, and I really appreciate your dedication to teaching sound truth.

The Location of Eden and the Pre-Flood World

Yeah. Well, let's start with that second one first because I want to answer that one more than I want to answer the question about the incest. So where is the garden? I don't blame you. Where is the Garden of Eden?

Well, it would have been destroyed in the flood. So it does not have a geographical location on earth anymore. Now, prior to the flood, yes, it would have existed with the angels guarding the entrance and the flaming sword, the flashing sword that was passing back and forth at the entrance to prevent anybody from coming in to this paradise.

But in that period of time, 2 ,000 years or however long it would have been from the creation of the world to the flood that destroyed everything, that garden would have stood there as a reminder of what God gave to mankind and mankind rejected by rebelling against God.

Right. By going his own way instead of being obedient to the Lord. Adam and Eve, of course, fell, but the rest of mankind after them would see the garden and know. As a reminder. As a reminder that this is what we were promised, but we rejected that to go after our own way.

And clearly the people weren't mourning over that or torn about it because mankind became so increasingly wicked that God regretted that he had made man on the earth and then brought the flood that destroyed everyone except for Noah and his wife, his three sons and their wives, eight people on an ark.

Yep. So where would the Garden of Eden have been? No idea. Yeah.

Now, the possibility. Isn't there like the continent split too?

Well, yeah, we know that continents have divided and that probably happened around the time of the flood or in the receding waters of the flood, somewhere in their continent split. And we can even tell by fossil evidence on those coastal lands of the continents that there's similarities.

You can look at a map and you can see, well, South America looks like it goes connected with the Western coast of Africa there a little bit. Yeah. You know, there's even evidence when you look at a map that these things look like they were joined together at one point.

But as it says in 2 Peter 3, the world that once was was deluged with water and perished. So the world that was before the flood is different than the world today. Right. Now, I've heard some make the argument that the Garden of Eden could have been somewhere in what's called today the Fertile Crescent, which would be in the Middle East, since that's such fertile area.

But how do we know that that would have been fertile area before the flood? True. So that doesn't necessarily mean the Garden of Eden could have been there. We just traditionally choose that place since the land is so fertile and the garden was so it was so fruitful.

So surely it could have been right there in the in the Middle East somewhere. I think that's a pretty decent argument, because everything that happened in the world in the Old Testament originates kind of from that same central place of the world that I was thinking to.

Right. You know what I mean? So it's not out of out of bounds to say that the Garden of Eden was in the Fertile Crescent somewhere. I'm just saying you can't really definitively say that. Right. Since the world prior to the flood was different than it is now.

Yeah, I've got nothing to add to that.

That's a very good point. And then we know the table of nations, which is all the nations that had descended from Shem, Ham and Japheth. They all would have originated from Mount Ararat in Turkey, right, where the Ark would have run aground.

So then you have the well, the Tower of Babel that was built, of course, in Babylonia, which would have been modern day Iran, most likely Iran or Iraq. And so then where the Tower of Babel was located and God confused the languages and the people were scattered around the world from there, you can look up a map of the table of nations kind of shows the directions that the three families would have gone.

So where Shem's line went, Ham, Japheth, I did a video on it, too, where I've got the map and the arrows. Oh, yeah, I remember that pointing in different directions. So that's that's post-flood, though.

But those things that are pre-flood, they're just going to be a mystery to us. We're not going to know for sure. Right. OK, now let's do the Insats question. The pre-flood. Yeah, right. So and again, all of this is pre-flood as well.

When we talk about Adam and Eve having children, they had sons and daughters and and those sons and daughters indeed would have married one another and procreated and had children. So is that, therefore, an argument for incest?

Well, no, it's not, because this was before the law. Right. Even Abraham was married to his sister. Mm hmm. True. Sarah was his half sister. Right. We don't think about that. You know, when when Abraham had gone into Egypt and he lied and he said that Sarah is my sister so that he technically didn't.

Yeah, it was just it was a half truth, which is a lie. Right. He. But saying that she's my sister. That was the truth. Right. He just concealed the fact. Oh, she's also my wife. Uh huh. Now, at this time, at this day and age, that wasn't that wasn't, you know, considered to be a scandalous thing.

Right. For a man to marry his sister. In fact, it was pretty common because people married within their own tribes. So a lot of people were married to members of their own family. Yeah. It wasn't.

It wasn't it. Um, who who was Isaac and Rebecca? Was it them? Isaac and Rebecca were cousins. Right. But I'm saying that he went back to his family. Correct. Wife.

Right. So because Abraham did not want a wife from the Canaanites. Right. For his son, he wanted to go back to the family that he came from. Right.

So that was where it's a little bit not quite brother and sister, but it's still the same concept of, you know. Yeah. Marrying within the family.

Within the clan or the tribe. Right. You know, however you would put that. And in Israel, that was still the case, not marrying within the family because the law came about and it was forbidden to marry a sister.

But they would still marry within, you know, like the Levites would marry within the Levites. Right. Or the Jews would marry within the Jews. Most of the time, not always, but generally they stayed married by tribe.

But in the law, it was said that if there is a man who lies with his father's wife, he has uncovered his father's nakedness, both of them shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.

That's incest. Yeah. And it was an offense punishable by death. If there is a man who lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them surely shall be put to death. They have committed perversion. If there is a man who marries a woman and her mother, it is lewdness.

Both he and they shall be burned with fire so that there will be no lewdness in your midst. This is Leviticus 20, verse 17. If there is a man who takes his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter so that he sees her nakedness and she sees his nakedness, it is a disgrace.

And they shall be cut off in the sight of the sons of their people. He has uncovered his sister's nakedness. He bears his guilt. Now, there, that would have made Abraham guilty because he's marrying his mother's daughter, you know, a half-sister.

But he's marrying a half-sister and then according to the law, he would be cut off from his people. But that's before the law came. With God's law now instituted, these things are forbidden and it became common in a lot of cultures after the giving of the law that it was now a forbidden thing to marry a brother or a sister.

When we get to 1 Corinthians chapter 5, the issue of sexual immorality that's going on in the church in Corinth that Paul has to confront is specifically that a man has had his father's wife, so it's his stepmother.

And that's considered incest. And Paul says this is a sin of a kind that is so reprehensible, even the pagans know it's bad. Even the pagans are looking at you going, what are you guys thinking? So if even the pagans know that that's bad, then over this period of time, over 1500 years, it's got to become a common thing in the world that you don't marry your sibling.

And so it is today. Now, we know today that there's even all kinds of health complications that can arise. If you sleep with a sibling and you conceive and have children, then there can be birth defects as a result of that.

And I believe that that is God. Major health problems. Yeah, seriously. I believe that's God having put upon a DNA line, a prevention that would hinder a brother or a sister from marrying one another.

It's like providentially God has put that in the line to prevent us from marrying one another so that it's even a bad, it's an unhealthy thing for us to do that. Right. So hence why there are even unbelievers in the world today that know it's bad.

And it sounds to me that this conversation you're having, so it says here, let me go back to the question again. How can we combat against arguments that God is for incest since we all originate from Adam and Eve?

A co-worker last week said God is for incest since Adam and Eve's offspring would have had to procreate with each other to populate the earth. So it almost sounds to me like you're communicating with an unbeliever.

Sounds like it. You know, somebody who's just making a biblical argument like, well, you Christians, I mean, you believe in incest. You believe in incest. Right. Because Adam and Eve had to sleep with one another.

I don't really see a Christian saying that. Right.

I've heard that argument many, many times. I've had somebody throw it at me, an atheist, like, well, you Christians believe in incest because where did all of us come from if it was just Adam and Eve?

Right. Yeah. It would have been Cain's sister, Seth's sister.

And then later Noah's sons.

Yeah. Well, yeah, then they would have been cousins. So Noah's sons, their wives, and then the children that they had would have been cousins marrying one another. Probably wasn't brothers and sisters.

Probably. I would say that's most likely cousins. Yeah, that's true. But they still filled the earth pretty quick because it wasn't long after that. You had the Tower of Babel incident. You know. Just learn.

So anyway, there's your answer, Daryl. It's probably not the cleanest answer that you would like, you know, wishing that you could say, well, they didn't marry their siblings. You know, that criticism is going to come from people, but it's because they don't like God's word.

Right. Not because they're trying to be rational and think these things through. Right. This next question comes from Daylen. He says, I have heard you mention multiple times that you are going to G3.

Why G3 and Other Conferences Can Be Worth Attending

Yes, we're going again this September in Atlanta. Would you watch or listen to the following podcast episode and give your thoughts on it and explain why you go to G3? I've been listening to you for about three years, and it just surprised me for you to promote G3 as much as you do based off of your teachings and comments on other topics.

I can't wait to hear your response and or comments. So this is a podcast called the Backwoods Baptist. I've never listened to it before, but, you know, it's good, reasonable guy. Okay. I didn't catch his name.

Harold, I think. Harold, who is the Backwoods Baptist.

The one that Daylen? Yeah, Daylen. Daylen suggested you listen to? Yes. So he sent me the link to this.

Okay. And so, so Daryl or Daylen. Okay. Now I'm mixing up names. So it's Daylen and Harold become Daryl. And the last person that I read from was also Daryl. Sorry guys, I'm mixing up all your names. But anyway, Harold, you know, pretty reasonable.

Some of the things that he says here, I think would make you nod. Okay. So let's listen to a portion of this. I'm not going to listen to the whole thing because it's close to half an hour. So I'm just going to pick parts of it here.

Okay. And here's the criticism that he gives, not about specifically G3, although he does target that one. At one point he says, let's just, let's just pick on G3. But he also mentioned Shepcon and T4G, which of course T4G is not around anymore.

They just did their last conference last year. So Together for the Gospel is done. But he does mention Shepcon and G3. So let's listen to thoughts here. Why would we or wouldn't we go to one of these big major conferences?

Are there good things about it as Christians? Should we be supporting these things or does it kind of elevate a superstar sort of culture where you have those star preachers and you have hero worship and things like that?

So for that reason, should we abstain from going to these big conferences? Let's hear Harold's arguments and we'll respond to that. All right.

The reason these guys are brought in is because their names are recognizable and they're popular and they draw a crowd. But here's what I've discovered. When you bring in popular names and you bring in nationally known names and you do it to bring in a crowd, the crowd that you attract often, not always, and not everyone, you can't paint with a broad brush, but you can definitely shoot a shotgun pattern.

There's going to be a lot of truth in this. It's going to spread out. People are not coming to hear the gospel preached. They're not coming to be encouraged. They're coming to say, I heard Paul Warsher preach, or I met Stephen Lawson.

And this is not a strike at Lawson or Washer or any, whoever the speaker is. It's just simply you're going to attract fanboys. You're going to attract people who want to go to a meeting to get their picture taken with that preacher.

Get on Facebook after any conference, look at the people that attended, look at people who got their picture taken with John MacArthur. They waited in line to get their picture taken with Votie Bockham.

They waited in line to get their picture taken with fill in the blank of who you think your favorite preacher is. When you bring in a big name, you are bringing in a crowd who's seeking to hear from a certain person because they hold him in high esteem.

OK, let's stop there. We'll consider that argument and we'll kind of go on to the next one. So we've got this celebrity culture kind of mentality or concept. You got these big names that come in. Mm hmm.

You got people that want to be seen with the big names. They want to get their pictures taken with the big names and things like that. I mean, sure, I see that on Facebook, treating them like celebrities.

Yeah. OK, and that's true. You know, I've seen we where we had our booth one year. We were right next to Steve Lawson. Mm hmm. So he's he's right there attracting all kinds of folks, which we were great with.

Yeah, because that brings them over to our table.

Yeah. As they're waiting on his table.

Yeah, right. But, you know, he's selling his books and it's part of his invitation of being able to come in and speak at G3. They also give him a table for his one passion ministry to be able to spread out their brochures or sell a book or something like that.

Yeah. So then he'll come over to his table when he's done speaking and people are there shaking hands, getting to talk to people. I don't I don't really see why that's wrong. And I don't see how that is instantly hero worship.

Because Lawson's writing books that a lot of people are using, your own pastor is probably using, helping with preaching and sermon prep and different things like that. People like his books, they'll read his history books, so on and so forth.

And so it's it's like meeting an author. Yeah. Which is neat to be able to do. I've enjoyed that. I mean, I grew up in a celebrity culture. Yeah, you did. Where? Because I grew up backstage while I was in Christian radio.

And so I was rubbing shoulders with all these guys. Yeah. Michael W. Smith, Stephen Curtis Chapman. My dad was friends with Keith Green. Right. Rich Mullins, who loved my mom's seven layer salad. Yeah.

You know, these guys, I grew up backstage with them. And so I got used to just they're just normal people to me. Right. You know, it was still neat to see some of the guys that I enjoyed listening to on my CDs the most.

Well, CDs, when I got into middle school, it was cassette tapes and records before that. But anyway, you know, it was always neat to see those guys. But since I was around them so much, they were just normal people to me.

And anyway, I was I was about to jump into stories.

I won't do that. You're going to refrain.

I'll refrain from what do they call that when you're just kind of, oh, you're name dropping. Yeah, sure.

But I mean, it I guess it all depends on your heart.

Right. See, that's going to be upon the person. Yeah. Like what's. And he says, you know, we can't paint with a broad brush. We can't get everybody. Very true. So he's being generous. That's going to be on each individual person to examine their own heart.

Yo, yeah, for sure. I like going there and meeting people that I have talked with on on Twitter and Facebook. Yes. Well, I can't say Facebook because Facebook's more of a personal like I do know you kind of thing because I.

You just keep your friends there. Yeah. Yeah. Well, family mostly. Yeah. Right. Anyway. But on Twitter, it's like anybody and everybody. And so I love meeting people that I've I've talked with and I can actually hear their voice and I can see them, you know, like how they mannerisms and stuff like that.

And it's just I love it.

We go to be with our friends. Yes. We go to fellowship. Yeah. And it's completely godly reasons to. It's not just being there to meet people and have fun.

Right. We get to pray together. Yeah. And I get I don't know. It's just it's a lot more personal whenever you're you've like I said, I've been chatting with them. I've been praying with them and then that sort of thing.

And then, you know, we meet and then it's I don't know, it just gives it a whole new.

Level. And we're all there gathering around the gospel. So he makes the comment like they're not going for the gospel. I disagree. Yeah. I mean, G3 is is gospel glory grace. That's the the three G's in the name.

So those speakers that they bring to that conference, they are doctrinally sound and as a line and is alike on these things as you can get these guys to be right. OK, we're there for the gospel. That's that's the thing that we have in common.

That's what you're going to hear in every single sermon. That's what you're going to hear in the music that is sung. It's all gathering around the gospel. So the common love that we have for our Lord Jesus Christ brings us there and we fellowship with one another.

Yeah. People that we don't regularly see or meet anywhere else in the world except at G3. Yeah. And which was why when they went to doing every other year, it was so disappointing. It's like now I got to wait two years to see my friends.

I know. Are you kidding me?

I mean, if we were to drive around the country to see everybody in the United States alone, the lower 48, if you will, it would we wouldn't get to everybody. Yeah. It would cost so much money just to go to see everybody.

Yeah. And it cost is going to be one of these things that he's going to mention here in just a moment. Just think how much money you're spending when you're going to these things. Well, so what? How much money do you spend going to Disney World?

Right. I'd rather go to G3. Yeah. But yeah, we're we're there gathering around the gospel where they're fellowshipping in Jesus name. And guess what? There's booths all over the place. You can do some Christian shopping while you're there.

Yes. I love it. And connect with different ministries and see what they're doing in an environment and in a capacity that you probably are not getting through, you know, even weeding through social media, finding all those things.

Yeah. And speaking of that, like they have so many missionary booths that you can find out what they're doing and where they're going and how to pray for them in that. Because, I mean, every like you were saying, everything gets lost in social media if you're not like in tune with that specific person or that specific organization.

So I really find it enlightening and beneficial. And just to glorify God altogether. Right. It's just awesome. I go home thinking that I have been with family.

Absolutely. Yeah. So. And when you hear you hear my voice going going up as I'm talking about this, I'm not mad at this guy. No, no, no, no. I'm excited. Yes. All right. I love G3. Yes. G3 is my favorite.

Now, I love ShepCon, too, but I like G3 more because my whole family can go. Whereas with the Shepherds Conference, that's specifically for pastors. Yeah. So it's mostly men that are there. My wife can't go.

Although I did. I sat with somebody at this most recent ShepCon. He said his wife came with him and she was out shopping somewhere.

Oh, yeah. So I've tried to convince you to do that with me.

But you're like, no. Well, because I'm going with the church. I know. So our pastors as the church are going, I can't, you know. Yeah, it's good. Maybe I can work that out another time. But now when they had truth matters, we were able to go to that.

Yeah, that was awesome. We met people from Australia there. Yeah, that was so cool. That was great. That was a lot of fun.

Well, anyway, let's continue on to the next part. So then he then he talks about cost. And yeah. So here is thoughts. And then we'll respond to that.

There's a cost that comes with bringing in well-known popular people, and the fault is not on the person that you brought in. It's just the cost of doing business and bringing people in. Well, how do you cover that a cost?

You either have to have a pretty deep pocket, you have to have some donors, maybe you have other churches that have contributed to this, maybe you, you know, you've got a group of churches that want to pay to bring somebody in.

But more often than not, in these conferences that are stacked with popular, well-known speakers that have been flown in from all over the country, there's a cost associated with the conference. You pay to attend.

You pay a fee to go to the meeting. I've heard people say we have to charge or we couldn't accommodate everybody that comes. So we charge to cut down on the crowd. Well, you've brought in big names to draw a crowd, and I guess you've drawn too many, so you charge money.

Friend, I've got a problem with charging money to hear somebody preach. Maybe I'm old fashioned, maybe I'm a weirdo, maybe this is where you turn off the podcast, but this is what I really want to talk about.

If you're charging money to hear people preach, stop for a moment and think about what you're doing. Well, this is a ministry. You know, ministry is not free. Can you fathom, can you fathom an early church conference?

We're going to have Titus and Apollos and the apostle John will be here one night and one night only. The cost of this conference is just four denarii. I can't fathom any of these men mentioned in the new Testament.

Gayus, we're going to have gayus here. He'll open us up because he's lesser known of the biblical names. And then, and then Apollos, the great orator, he'll be here and then Titus will come in and talk about the church.

And then John, John's going to bless us in that evening message. You won't want to miss that. All for three denarii. These men would slap you silly. If you were charging money to hear them preach, you'll say, well, brother, hell, that's just the time in which we live in.

We've created this conference culture. It's came out of what we used to have was revivals. And one guy traveled around and did this and we said, no, no, revivals are bad. We shouldn't meet for evangelism.

We should meet for doctrine and fellowship. And I say, great. But it should be ran through the local church and the local church should cover that. And if the local church can't afford that, then maybe they need to get together with a couple other local churches and put it on.

Well, he just described G3. Yeah. I mean, it's put on by a local church. Yeah. And it's gotten so big, they've got some other churches that have come in and help them put all this on. Yeah. This started at Praise Mill Baptist Church.

It did in Douglasville. I guess is the name of it. So this was Josh Bice and his church, which was just a couple hundred people at the time, I think. Yeah. And they started doing G3 and they hosted it at the church.

Yeah. But it kept getting like two years.

Oh, I think it was more than that. Was it more than that? I think it was a few more than that, because I was watching. I would watch the sermons that they would do online. I would catch Voti on there.