September 9, 2022 Show with Delano Squires on “The Forces of Our Culture Trying to Undermine God’s Design for Men and Women”

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This is Chris Arnson, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Friday, and today's date is

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September 9th, 2022. I had to look at my calendar because I've been so busy today,

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I didn't even remember what day it is. But today also came with some very sad news.

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There are people globally who are mourning the loss of Queen Elizabeth, who passed yesterday, but there was another death that occurred this morning that no doubt will invoke the mourning and grieving of people globally, perhaps not the number of people who are aware of who

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Queen Elizabeth is, but to Reformed Baptists, there is a name that is near and dear to most of our hearts.

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His name is Walt Chantry, and he went home to be with the

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Lord today, and I for one am among those who are going to be grieving, but obviously that grief is tempered, enlightened by the fact that I know exactly where Walt Chantry is right now, and he would never want to change places with any of us on the planet

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Earth, being with his Lord, God, Savior, and King, who he served so faithfully and so powerfully for so many years.

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I hope to eventually conduct a tribute program to Walt Chantry in loving memory of him, and in honor and tribute to him, so stay tuned for that.

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Walt was 84 years of age, and he was a prolific writer.

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He was among the pioneers in the mid -20th century, one of the pioneers bringing a resurgence of Calvinistic belief and practice to Baptists worldwide, and he was the pastor of the church where I am a member for 40 years.

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I believe he was the third pastor. The church was founded in the 1950s, and I believe

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Walt was the third pastor, but by far the pastor who was there the longest, he was there before I became a member, but I was very fully aware with Walt, and we developed a friendship, and I interviewed him a number of times on the program, have become close to his wife, his mourning widow,

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Joey. And I also extend my condolences to you, Joey, if you're eventually going to be listening to this via recording, and my prayers are with you and your family that the

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Lord gives you the peace that surpasses all understanding, and that is, again,

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Walt Chantry, Reformed Baptist author, pastor, and mentor to many in the faith, went home to be with the

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Lord today at the age of 84, and keep in touch or stay tuned to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio for updates on when we will have a tribute program to dear

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Walt Chantry. I'm very excited to have a guest today for the very first time.

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His name is Delano Squires. He is a research fellow in the

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Richard and Helen DeVos Center for Life, Religion, and Family at the Heritage Foundation.

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He's a contributor to Blaze Media, who writes about faith, family, and culture, as well as Blaze TV's Fearless with Jason Whitlock podcast.

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He's an essayist, having been published by Newsweek, the Institute for Family Studies, The Federalist, Black and Married with Kids, The Root, and The Griot, and he's a speaker on the roster at the upcoming conference that I will be attending next week,

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Manning and Exhibitor's Booth for Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, as I do every year, the 2022

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G3 Regional Conference in Washington, D .C., and today we're going to be addressing the forces of our culture trying to undermine

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God's design for men and women. It's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Delano Squires.

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Thank you for having me, Chris. I appreciate the opportunity. Well, Delano, we have a tradition here on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, whenever we have a first -time guest, we like that guest to give a summary of their salvation testimony that would include the kind of religious atmosphere in which they were raised, if any, and what kind of providential circumstances our

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Sovereign Lord raised up in their lives that drew them to himself and saved them, and that would include you, so I would love to hear your story.

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Sure. So, I grew up in New York City, in Queens, and my parents came to this country in the late 70s, early 80s from a small island in the

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Caribbean called Barbados, and for as long as I remember, we went to church on Sundays and raised in a church and in an environment with my best friend.

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One of my best friends is his father, the pastor of the church that he ended up going to for many years, that I ended up going to for many years before I left for college.

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So, I was raised in a Christian home in a very sort of Christ -centered community, but if I were to pinpoint a particular day or time in which

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I quote -unquote got saved, it was September 16, 2001, so five days after 9 -11, and first year in college, no, second year in college, sophomore year in college, and heard about the planes crashing into Twin Towers and into the field in Pennsylvania, and I was going to school in Pennsylvania, so that one struck a little bit close to home, and I don't know, for whatever reason,

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I felt prompted to take the walk down the aisle, as it were, and that's the day that I would typically, if someone asked me for my salvation story, it starts there, but it certainly doesn't end there, because I wasn't living as someone whose actions would suggest he prioritize

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God's Word and His holiness and righteousness, so over a period of years,

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I think God was refining me and cleaning me and maturing me, sanctifying me, so that by the time

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I got into my early 30s and was married, taking the

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Word a lot more seriously, we were going to a church that my wife and I really liked, and then

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I came across Reformed theology, and...

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Well, that's when you were really saved. I'm only kidding, I'm only kidding. But that really opened up my mind to a lot of things, because I realized there were certain things that I had not been hearing in the church that we were attending at the time, and I realized that I didn't, even though I had read different parts of the

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Bible, I didn't understand how the Bible fit together as one sort of cohesive, coherent, unified story, and then from there

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I just began to understand things in a different way. So again, I would say

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September 16, 2001, but again, God in His abundant grace and mercy was just continuing to work on me and mature me and sanctify me over the course of a decade.

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I would certainly say that I'm much more spiritually mature now than I was when

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I was a 19 -year -old at college. Okay, and how did you come, providentially, to meet

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Virgil Walker and Daryl Bernard Harrison of the Just Thinking podcast?

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Sure, so I was a fan of Daryl and Virgil and Just Thinking long before I met them in person.

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I'm not sure how I came across their podcast, to tell you the truth. I might have seen it online, seen it on Twitter, but I started to listen to their podcast, and one day

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I was putting together a playhouse for my kids, and I'm not the most handy guy in the world, so they said it would take,

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I don't know, three to four hours. It took me about eight or nine hours, but I just was consuming their podcast, and for Daryl and Virgil, nine hours may be four episodes, four to five episodes, but I just was impressed by their willingness to turn pages, as they always say, right?

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To dig into primary source material, but always keeping

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Scripture as sort of their reference point, right? Always the rule upon which they measure any other type of content, regardless of who's writing it or what the topic is.

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So, at a certain point, when I started, while I was writing, I think maybe for the

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Federalists and certainly the Blades, sometimes I would share my articles with them, and sometimes

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I would write on matters of faith, particularly as they related to issues of culture. So, we just, you know, we began to correspond online, particularly on Twitter, and then

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I had the pleasure of meeting them at the G3 Conference. This was, this would have been,

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I think, last October in Atlanta, and then from there, you know, we hit it off, very like -minded, and that's how

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I ended up meeting them in person. So, since then, we've just stayed in regular contact, and now

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Virgil is a contributor to the Fearless for Jacob Whitlock podcast as well, so.

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But that relationship has only deepened over the last, you know, year or two. Well, praise

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God for that, and I probably should have asked you this first, but how did you become such an in -demand essayist and writer for some very major Christian organizations and conservative organizations?

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Honestly, Chris, I'm still trying to figure that one out myself. So, my journey as it relates to public commentary,

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I would say it's fairly unique. I am not a writer by trade, whatever that means.

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I studied computer engineering in college. I didn't take any writing classes. I think the last time

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I took an actual writing course was probably in high school.

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But I'm someone who's always been able to think clearly, and then the writing just follows, you know, along with the thinking.

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But I started to write publicly for a website called Black and Married with Kids. This was probably about 2010, and the site was created by a couple who wanted to provide more positive images of black families, and particularly as it relates to marriage and child rearing.

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And then from there, I started to write for a site called The Root. So, you know,

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The Root covers all different types of issues, politics and culture, but catered to an

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African American audience. The same with The Griot. So, I wrote for The Root and The Griot, and then

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I had my own blog for a period of time, and then I decommissioned that. And then, when

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I resurfaced, I pitched a few pieces to the Federalists that they took, including a review of Paul Lyons' Pasta Vodivacum.

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And then I ended up with The Blaze. So, I'm probably the only person in America who can say he's written for The Root, The Griot, The Federalists, and The Blaze, and who can say he's been edited by both

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Joy Reed and Jason Whitlock. Yeah, that is an interesting opposite pair of people.

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Yes, yes. Well, tell us something about what you intend to speak on, if you know yet, at the upcoming

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G3 Regional Conference in Washington, D .C. I'm very excited about it. I've been to every

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G3 in Atlanta, I believe, for the last six years. And this is my first regional conference, where I'm manning an exhibitor's booth, as I always do at the

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G3 Conference. And it's always a phenomenal experience manning an exhibitor's booth for Iron Trip and Zion Radio at the

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G3 Conference. Not only because I meet so many people that I never would have otherwise heard from, but likely, who love my show, who approach me at the booth and tell me how blessed they are, people from all over the

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United States and even other parts of the world, but also to introduce my program to new listeners.

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And there are many who have contacted me over the years to tell me that they began listening after meeting me at my exhibitor's booth at the

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G3 Conference. So, what is your intended subject at this event?

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So, I know the event is about the sufficiency of the

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Scriptures. I'm not sure what our specific panel is going to be about, but, I mean, in general,

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I write and talk a lot about the importance of marriage. Depending on the venue,

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I may lean more into its cultural and social importance, but always thinking with an eye to its importance as it relates to God's created order.

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So, I write a lot about marriage, family, fatherhood, but also about theological matters.

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I'm not a pastor, so I'm a layman and I'm very upfront with that, but I believe that it's important for every believer to be well -versed in the

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Scriptures and to understand the various threats, sometimes direct and explicit, and other times more hidden threats to both religious liberty and God's role as creator.

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So, I tend to say that the designer is the definer. So, when you see people arguing that men can get pregnant and that abortion is health care, these are ways in which, oftentimes, government of a local, state, or federal ends up exceeding its authority on these types of matters.

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And it tries to bring unto itself an authority that it does not have by attempting to redefine things that God has already defined in Scripture.

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So, I figure we'll get into some of those issues. I mean, this is an all -star cast of pastors and theologians, people involved in politics and the culture wars.

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So, yeah, I'm really looking forward to it. I don't have any specific remarks prepared, but, as I said,

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I'm really looking forward to the conference. Praise God. And, by the way, if anybody would like to join

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Delano and me at the G3 conference coming up next week, the 15th through the 17th of September, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, go to g3min .org,

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We are going to our first break right now, and when we return, we're going to be addressing the subject that we have allotted for today, and that is the forces of our culture trying to undermine

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God's design for men and women. And if you have a question of your own for Delano on this, our email address is chrizarnsen at gmail .com,

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We are now back with Delano Squires and we are discussing, I think, a very important theme one of the most important themes of our day the forces of our culture trying to undermine

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God's design for men and women. And if you have a question send it to chrisarnson at gmail .com

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give us your first name at least, city and state and country of residence only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.

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Before I even get into the heart of this theme I was just curious about how your worldview may have changed and your political affiliations and all those kinds of things when you became a

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Christian, because I know people who I trust are actually regenerate, born again brothers and sisters in Christ, but for the life of me

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I'm astonished that a number of them probably a minority of them but a number of them still vote for every single

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Democrat running for office when they have a vote in that race. They still, even if they are personally opposed to the murder of unborn children and maybe personally opposed to the

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LGBTQ agenda and same sex marriage, they still think there are far more benefits to voting for Democrats and keeping them in office, which is mind blowing to me.

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How much of your worldview changed and how quickly did it change?

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That's a great question. The first thing that changed for me is even thinking about these issues from a worldview perspective because when

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I was growing up the term worldview was not one that I heard at all.

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The reason that's important is because a worldview speaks to a more comprehensive perspective on issues.

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I liken my worldview before as it's like a man who owns a house and let's say it's a 20 room house and for me my faith occupied one room but it was in a separate room so it was closed off down the hallway from how

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I thought about money and how I thought about relationships and how I thought about politics and so on and so forth.

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Now the way I think about these issues is that God owns the house and His word

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His definition His law make up the foundation of the house.

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The only reason that the entire structure stands is because God is the foundation both the foundation of the structure and the owner of the structure.

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Everything that I think about economics, law, culture relationships and money now rest on those set of biblical presuppositions.

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It is a significant change now on some issues I may end up in the same place but I'm getting there for different reasons.

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Sometimes it's slightly different reasons, sometimes it's drastically different reasons. For instance I remember, and this is a personal story

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I believe that I voted in favor of what was called marriage equality in Maryland in the 2012 election because my position is who is the government to tell two consenting adults what they can do if a man and a woman can get married discrimination of a man and a man can get married so I was exactly the type of person you described.

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Personally against same -sex marriage but believing that the government didn't have standing to keep people from doing so.

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Right, there are a number of right -leaning libertarians who may personally vehemently oppose same -sex marriage for theological or other reasons but they still don't believe it should be the government's business to be involved in anybody's marriage but would be more concerned about how the government may impose upon everyone an acceptance of those marriages and a celebration of those marriages.

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Right, and there are areas in which libertarians and conservatives overlap on issues and in the areas of deep, deep disagreement because the libertarian focus is always on maximizing individual liberty but it's liberty and freedom to do what exactly, right?

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Taking the libertarian perspective to its logical end, there would be nothing that would stop a government from sanctioning, supporting or legalizing the quote -unquote marriage between two men and one woman or between four men or six women or two men, two women, and two dogs.

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Right, and this may sound outlandish but they don't have a limiting principle so for them it's just well, if consenting adults want to do it then the government should stand in the way of it and a lot of people may feel that way but they don't realize that there are downstream effects to all of these decisions because ultimately all laws are moral whether it's tax law or criminal law, all of these things speak to what a given population of people at a given time believe are the right and wrong things to do and our law speaks to that.

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I definitely have had my mind changed and to me that's what believers should that should be the testimony for every believer, right?

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I thought one way when I was unregenerate and then I began to think a different way when

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I became regenerate and even within that I began to be transformed by the renewing of my mind so now

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I believe different things than I did then because I'm a more mature believer at this point now.

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Well, we have let's see, I'm looking for we have some listener questions coming in oh, here it is we have a question from an

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Orthodox Jewish listener who actually enjoys this program from time to time even though it is clearly a

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Fearless show Jason Whitlock, who I think is amazing has said the executives putting out the filth in media and music are

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Jews. Are they Jews because they eat a bagel? Do they actually follow the tenets of the

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Jewish Bible? The answer is obvious so why stress their un -Jewish

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Jewishness? I guess he's referring to nominal Jews obviously. How for quite a long time, perhaps even centuries, people will categorize somebody as a

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Jew just because it has something to do with their family heritage they will call Woody Allen a Jew and Woody Allen is an atheist or he's certainly not a practicing believer of the

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Hebrew scriptures and so on. Do you know anything about that exactly what our listener in Great Neck is referring to?

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I believe I do. It's happened you know, they come up in conversation a couple of times and I mean people will reference this from time to time in general they will speak to the

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Jewish executives in Hollywood or media and oftentimes people respond to that by saying that the reference itself is anti -Semitic

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I don't necessarily agree with that. Now my position on this and I try not to ever speak for other people but my position on this is this

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I try not to bring up a person's ethnicity or religion unless it's pertinent to my argument right?

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Or even pertinent to what their religion is. It might be exactly according to the tenets of that religion.

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Correct. So for instance if someone, if I'm criticizing someone who practices ex -religion and my criticism is in relation to a particular practice that that religion sanctions then

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I think it's more than relevant to say this religion believes in, I don't know in child sacrifice.

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So I think the people who are pushing abortion in this country are doing it in some respects because they practice this faith.

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I think that's totally fair. There are other times and I get the listener's question where particularly when it relates to Jews in media, people will say well this person is secular.

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They're not really a practicing Jew. Now I have no way of knowing who's practicing and who's not so I can't speak to that part of the equation but we live in a country in which everyone categorizes other people by race, skin color, ethnicity, religion when it suits their argument.

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So as much as people for instance will say that they're colorblind when it's time to talk about violent crime in big cities all of a sudden people can start to see again and say oh wow it's young black men doing it.

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Now is it the case that these young men are doing it because of some biological defect?

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I certainly would argue that it's not the case but people still bring up their skin color as a description of who is committing certain offenses and I think as it relates to these issues it's a similar type of dynamic.

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But I do think that this is an interesting area because I've even thought about this as it relates to the

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Christian faith which obviously is different than the Jewish faith in terms of I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, but among Jewish people if a person's mother is

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Jewish and the child is Christians don't have that sort of matrilineal or patrilineal passing down of the faith.

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And I'm not even sure that that's a canonical teaching of the Hebrew Scriptures either. Right. But one thing that I've certainly noticed is that there are people, and I notice this particularly people who will say that they grew up in a black church who are familiar with the

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Christian saying, Christianese as it were. Grew up in church, went to church with grandma, sat on the pew, sang the hymns, swayed with the choir, but have no interest or any there's no sign that they are practicing the faith of their ancestors.

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And I think it's a similar thing where a person may be familiar with the tradition and may have some respect and honor sometimes for the tradition but are not actually practicing the faith.

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And the question is, to what extent should that person still be identified by the faith that they're associated with?

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And I mean, I don't always have the answer for that, but I'm a person that doesn't believe that any group is above criticism.

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It's just, I try to make sure that if I'm engaging in public commentary, particularly criticism, that I'm careful to hit my target for the intended purpose, right?

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Because I'm always trying to minimize collateral damage. So I don't believe in scapegoating people, but I don't think we should be afraid to tackle tough subjects when these things come up.

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Yeah, so basically you're saying you disagree with your friend and colleague's choosing and timing of using or referencing the

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Jewish people when it comes to the creation of hellish music and other forms of art.

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I'm not saying I disagree. One, I'm saying I will let Whitlock speak for himself.

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And two, I'm saying I can't speak to the extent to which their self -professed

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Jewishness impacts their decision -making. So for example, let me pose a thought experiment.

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I've thought about this. I don't know if I've ever written it, but I've thought to myself, would these executives support market music, art, culture,

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TV shows, movies in which the artists were shown shooting, killing, demeaning, degrading people who look like bear dogs?

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Yeah, interesting. I highly doubt it. I highly doubt that these executives even...

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And all of them are not Jewish. Some are.

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Many are not. But any of them, whether they are white, black,

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Jewish, Italian, because they all fall into different ethnic groups or religious groups,

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I would wonder whether they would allow their own children, people who look like their children, people from their communities, their own neighborhoods, to be depicted in the ways in which they are comfortable depicting certain black communities.

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Again, my sense is that they would not do that. So I think it raises the question, is there an ethical responsibility that people have to not produce art that they know is cancerous to a culture?

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And you can tell that they know it because they wouldn't do it for their own kids. Now, I first asked that question to the artists.

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So the artists are the ones who say that they're doing this for their community and they're speaking for their community. But I think it's a fair question to ask the executives as well, regardless of who they are, what they look like, or how they identify.

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By the way, I would love to have Jason Whitlock on the show. I'm a huge admirer of his.

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I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with what our guest, our listener,

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I should say, Robert from Great Neck, is speaking of because I didn't hear it and I didn't see it in context.

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But I think that he is an amazing brother in Christ and a very bold voice for truth, unwavering and uncompromising.

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And I would love to have him on the program as well, if you could put in a good word. And we will have

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Robert's question right again when he is present. One thing that I can say to put my two cents into the situation, sometimes those kinds of comments are relevant.

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For instance, when you may be referring to many politicians who are liberal and leftist siding in favor of the

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Palestinians during a skirmish or some kind of a battle or problem or violence with Israel or Israelites.

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I think it is completely proper to say and some of these or many of these liberal politicians are

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Jewish that are siding with the Palestinians. The reference makes sense because it's in context.

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It's a point of amazement. It's almost as if you're saying that in fact,

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I could say this having researched the issue, the American Nazi Party founded by George Lincoln Rockwell actually had

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Jewish members. They were closeted Jewish members for some reason who hated their own families and their own heritage and were eventually outed.

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One of them committed suicide when he was outed. But that's the kind of thing

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I think that because of the context, a comment like that makes perfect sense to say something like, and even some of them are

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Jewish or many of them are, what have you. But thank you, Robert. And guess what?

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Since you're a first -time questioner, you're going to receive a New American Standard Bible.

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I hope you read the second half of that Bible as well as the first, meaning the

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We'll ship that out to you. And I hope you enjoy reading that even if it's just for educational purposes.

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But one thing is interesting that Delano, you and I know that according to the

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Apostle Paul, these nominal Jews that our listener is referring to, you and I are more

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Jewish than they are because Paul says that to be a Jew is one inwardly and not one outwardly and it involves the circumcision of the heart.

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And so therefore those who are actually regenerate believers in Christ are true

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Jews. That's according to the New Testament. That's no controversial kind of a statement and should not be ever taken as an anti -Semitic remark.

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Just happens to be true from a Christian viewpoint. But we're going to our midway break right now, folks.

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Please be patient with us because it's the longer the normal break and we are going to be right back after this longer than normal break with Delano Squires, so don't go away.

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I just wanted to very quickly insert here, in case somebody was confused by my comments about why it sometimes makes sense in context to say many

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Jews do this or many Jews do that. In regard to rap music and much of the art form so called that have been denounced as being satanic and being anti -Christian and of course there are also

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Christian rappers who would vehemently oppose to that categorization of the art form itself.

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Obviously they would be equally outraged by much of the content of secular rap music but I think that possibly

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Jason Whitlock was referring to the fact that many in the leftist culture including much of the hip -hop culture are openly anti -Semitic so that might have been a reason for the comment that this is financially backed very often by Jewish people.

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That could have been the context but I don't know. But anyway, we have a listener for you

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Delano who says as far as the same -sex marriage issue goes and all of the things that come under the category of LGBTQ and now there's even more letters and numbers added to that that I don't even remember.

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How is it that at one time until very recently you had your typical average black folk even in the church who were very opposed to those things even if they voted for liberal political candidates but it has become more and more accepted universally as things that are acceptable behavior and practices?

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Do you have an answer Delano? I think part of it is at a certain point

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I'd say since the 1960s black racial identity has been fused with democratic party politics so now, so I think for a lot of black people particularly black liberals, black progressives, black democrats they see their

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I guess well -being or future or social and political outcomes that are inextricably linked to the future of the democratic party so as the party moves so do black progressives so that's how you see that's why you see and I've written about this since the

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Dobbs decision came down that overturned abortion of the quote -unquote right to abortion in the constitution a number of prominent black pastors so I'm thinking of Senator Raphael Warnock who's also a quote -unquote pastor who leads the church that Dr.

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King used to lead Ebenezer Baptist Church in Georgia, Atlanta Reverend William Barber who's a very prominent activist who also

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I believe has a church in North Carolina and a number of other people I could go down the entire list but they all sound like secular atheists when they talk about abortion they talk about a woman's right to choose always using euphemistic language never straightforward in terms of killing the unborn and part of it is because they are completely beholden to the democratic party and I hate to sound so partisan but it's true another factor here is that some of these people their worst nightmare would be being tied to white conservative evangelicals particularly

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Trump voters so what you'll hear often times is well I'm personally pro -white but the government shouldn't tell women what to do with their bodies and this whole abortion thing is being pushed by white conservative evangelicals and I think that's another reason that many self -professed black

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Christians end up backing things that so clearly go against the scriptures but again this is an area which you know going back to what we were talking about before in which naming specific groups by their identity characteristics is seen as acceptable right so and I think it's relevant in this case because these are people who claim to hold to a particular religious tradition but so clearly betray that position because of partisan policies well before I go to any more listener questions we have several people waiting to have their questions asked and answered by you but I wanted to get to some of the primary reasons or should

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I say the primary forces of our culture which is the theme of our day the primary forces of our culture trying to undermine

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God's design for men and women can you be more detailed and specific about some of these

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I mean obviously a number of them are very obvious but it doesn't mean that they don't bear repeating and be analyzed more clearly if you could sure

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I mean I think the easy way to address this is

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I'll start here I think outside of you know

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I don't want to use conservative that sounds political but like theologically solid biblical churches and other people of you know other religious faith who hold to traditional teachings on sex and gender basically every other institution has been corrupted and is undermining

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God's design for men and women this includes every level of government starting from the federal government the

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Biden administration stated position is that quote unquote gender affirming care for children should include the social transition of children so that's for instance a school using a different name and opposite sex pronouns for a child who identifies as the opposite sex this is medicinal transition so this is the use of puberty pre -blockers for children cross -sex hormones for adults and surgical transition so this is everything from quote unquote gender affirming hysterectomies for teenage girls to double mastectomy to I think it's called like a penile inversion this is what they do for the boys and all of these things are signed off on by the medical establishment so it's in the government it's certainly in the schools, anyone who has a child in K -12 has certainly if they're paying attention has seen how radical schools have gotten in terms of gender ideology sexual orientation and gender ideology both in the curriculum classroom instruction and then you'll see signs and pride flags and so on and so forth around the school to create a particular culture of they would call inclusion so it's government, it's schools and it's corporations everyone saw in May everyone had up their blue and yellow

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I support Ukraine flag and then come June those flags got tossed out of the window and then everyone was raising their pride flags and corporate

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America is one of the biggest advocates of these things again it's easier to count the number of corporations that do not engage in pride pandering in June than it is to list out the ones that do and for instance when the

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Equality Act came up and the Equality Act was a piece of legislation I think passed the House, I don't think it's come up for a vote in Senate yet but the crux of it would the

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Equality Act would change federal law such that gender identity would be included in would be a protected category as is the case with sex and race so if the

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Equality Act passes and becomes law then transgender students would be able to a boy would be able to compete in women's sports all across the country and the vast majority of Fortune 500 companies including

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Amazon Google signed on in support of the Equality Act so government education both

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K -12 and certainly higher education corporations and then the other big one is the media and what

01:21:42

I often say is that the corporate press basically runs a media laundering operation where there are activists and other government actors who push these types of radical ideologies in the public and the media basically washes them and makes them clean so the media will take again double mastectomies and hysterectomies for children and they will spin that into gender affirming care they make it sound very benign and then when people hear, oh wow, gender affirming care

01:22:22

I'm for that and then once that cleaning takes place once the dirty idea is washed and declared clean then the media acts in concert with the forces behind the campaign so again this is radical ideologues, academics corporations, government agents to exert maximum pressure on the rest of society to conform to their particular world view so the media is one of the biggest forces undermining

01:22:58

God's definition of male and female because these journalists and people who write for the

01:23:05

Atlantic and the Washington Post and the New York Times, these are the people that make these ideas seem legitimate and respectable.

01:23:14

When the New York Times said that Rachel Levine born Richard Levine is the first female, not even a transgender woman but the first female four star admiral in US history they were legitimizing an idea that would be rejected if it came and I've said it to my wife before if this gender ideology stuff started at the

01:23:46

Jiffy Loop or started at the barbershop among people working class people, no one would take it seriously just guys talking but because it starts on college campuses where most of society's truly terrible ideas start, then they have a certain air of legitimacy and all of these different institutions sign onto it which makes it even harder to root out because now the people who believe in the gender binary are the ones who are on the defensive and the ones who believe that there are an infinite number of genders are the ones who are taken seriously.

01:24:34

Yeah, this is mind -boggling, the whole thing because I would tend to believe that the vast majority of people, and of course this is a guess but I can't help but think that I'm absolutely right, the vast majority of people who affirm these things publicly, even as a matter of policy if they're in politics

01:25:00

I believe that the vast majority of people, whether you are leftist and lost or are a regenerate ambassador for Christ we all believe in our heart of hearts and in the secret recesses of our minds this is all garbage and a lie.

01:25:19

I don't really believe any of these advocates for this stuff actually believe this.

01:25:25

It's too laughably bizarre, and I say laughably I don't mean to be insensitive of the seriousness of it, but you can't help but to realize that much of it is comically ridiculous and even feminists not all of them, some of them and too many of them are still too frightened of the backlash of leftists in power who promote

01:25:57

LGBTQ agendas but there are still feminists who are saying wait a minute this is wrong, this is garbage and they're actually on some occasions becoming allies with conservative evangelicals who are opposed to feminism and egalitarianism but it's interesting how sometimes on certain fronts we have as Christians interesting allies and not universally but even in the issues of pornography and other things, evangelicals,

01:26:32

Christians Bible -believing Christians have had some feminist allies as well, knowing that this is very destructive for both men and women, but especially the women that are the victims of being used in pornography

01:26:51

Yeah Absolutely One of the things that I've written about before is that so many women who have said, and they've faced barriers because of this but these are some of the most powerful women in media and industry these are women who have been sports journalists, women in politics when it comes to the transgender issue, they're completely silent because to your point, they don't want to get on the wrong side of the gender activist and as I've said before, and I'm not trying to be funny but it sounds that way the feminists have finally found a group of men that they can submit to because when

01:27:42

Richard Levine or Caitlyn Jenner or any of these other people say, I'm a woman the women who've spent their entire lives being women feel powerless to speak up and say, no you are a man, and part of this is because as people who have spent their entire life claiming to be oppressed, they are deeply, deeply uncomfortable with playing the role of the oppressor so anyone who comes along who is further down in terms of the oppression totem pole they feel that they have to do what's necessary to lift that person up even if it's at their own expense

01:28:25

Yeah, I think that, I mentioned this recently on the show I may have mentioned it a number of times on the show but I think this fear of even leftists being out of step with the accepted dogma of leftism because it does change, it seems to be mutating and changing rapidly but an obvious example of this fear is when

01:28:49

Kentonji Brown -Jackson was being interviewed before her confirmation into the

01:28:57

Supreme Court was asked the simple question what is a woman, and out of fear of offending her leftist allies, she said

01:29:06

I'm not a biologist, I can't answer that but the irony is that's not the leftist argument or doctrine of the left they don't believe biology has anything to do with being a woman

01:29:21

So she misspoke We have an anonymous listener who says

01:29:28

I have problems in my own congregation and the Christian company that I often keep from friends and brothers and sisters who rebuke me for being a

01:29:39

Pharisee and judgmental when I complain about the fact that even hairstyles and manners of dress have been contributing greatly to the very problems that you are talking about the forces that try to undermine

01:29:58

God's design for men and women Let's face it, there are many young people especially where you have to give them two or three or four or more looks before you even can determine what gender they belong to Am I overstepping here?

01:30:14

Am I really the Pharisee and the bigot that some of my friends claim? I don't think that person is a bigot

01:30:23

It is somewhat strange sometimes to see the entire rainbow of persons here and increasingly it does feel as if our society wants to erase all of the lines of gender to blur the line between man and woman and make us into some one big homogenous unisex blob

01:30:55

That will never happen because again, God is undefeated and if He said

01:31:01

He created man and female then that's what we have. Now we can fight against His creation just the same way we can fight against gravity but every time you throw the apple up in the air it's going to come back down and hit you in the head

01:31:15

I understand that and my guess is that particular questioner is probably a little bit older I doubt that they are millennial or Gen Z persons so sometimes it can seem strange to see boys who dress often times in styles associated with girls and girls who do the same in terms of styles associated with boys but it is quite common to see that nowadays and sometimes it is difficult to tell whether an individual person is a boy or a girl sometimes because that is exactly what the person wants there are people who claim to be non -binary and that is the distinction that should be given the entire game away.

01:32:02

There are some people who say I don't have a gender at all and that is such a patently absurd claim but for whatever reason we are still taking these things seriously my friends who are fundamentalists seem to be the few who are speaking out,

01:32:25

I think rightly against appearing as the opposite sex to what you are of course,

01:32:33

I have to be quick to say many of them, and I'm not saying all of them, I'm not broad brushing, but many of my fundamentalist friends and acquaintances also elevate those things to such a high degree of importance that they eclipse the gospel and sometimes their identification of certain clothing that they believe men shouldn't wear and certain clothing that women shouldn't wear have nothing to do with actually trying to appear either like you're androgynous or you're trying to look like the opposite sex.

01:33:08

I think sometimes the criticism is off the charts and slanderous but at the same time in our reform circles

01:33:18

I don't think that those issues are addressed seriously enough or often enough and I've been to many reform conferences and churches where women are dressed in such a way where you wonder why is that husband letting his wife dress that way because it's so sexually provocative it's more in line of what

01:33:36

I mean, not necessarily gender neutral stuff, or why are those parents letting their teenage daughter dress that way and on and on.

01:33:45

But thank you Anonymous, and by the way, for any of our Anonymous listeners, if you're first time questioners please give us off the air of course in an email your full name, mailing address so that you can receive a free

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Delano if you could I don't want to have you not have your voice heard with exactly everything that you want us to focus upon today before we go off the air obviously in a summary form so if you could give us what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today regarding this subject

01:52:29

I think what I would most want listeners to take away is that God's design for man and woman is good that he didn't make a mistake when he designed it the way that he did and that people who struggle with their identity as it relates to their

01:52:47

God -given sex those people deserve our compassion and we should love them by speaking to them truthfully about who they are and how it is that they were created so I mean often times these conversations get taken over by activists and ideologues and I think there's a different response for those people but ultimately what

01:53:13

I would want people to take away is that we are created beings created in God's image according to his word

01:53:20

Genesis 127 right and that his design for humanity ultimately is for his glory to his glory and for our good so if I were to take away anything or to leave anything it would be that reality and a hope that believers would not allow the twisted sense of compassion and inclusion that that would not prompt us to lie to people in order to protect our reputation even if it means driving them further away from God that's a good question

01:54:21

I mean there are people who I know that I may have went to school with or at different periods of my past who have been critical of some of the things

01:54:31

I've written but my family, my wife, my best friends you know my immediate and extended family are all pretty supportive they may not agree with every position that I take and I think there are a number of reasons for that but ultimately the people who are closest to me and who matter the most to me are very supportive of what

01:54:54

I do and it's not because I've become more conservative per se, it's because the people particularly the

01:55:04

Christians of my life recognize that all I'm trying to do is to say exactly what the scripture says now they may have issues with how

01:55:17

I say certain things and that's fine and sometimes I take that back and I say you know what maybe I should address the same issue in a slightly different way but ultimately my goal is to be biblical more than it is to be you know political when

01:55:33

I break down these issues who are on the opposite side of the aisle politically and even outside of the

01:55:56

Christian faith or perhaps even inside the professing Christian faith who are promoting such things as abortion which should better be called infanticide or child murder and the same sex marriage issue you have on the one hand people across the spectrum if you begin on the left they would be far too accommodating and want civility to be supreme in any disagreement almost to the point of trivializing the matters over which we disagree and then on the other end of the extreme of the spectrum you have those who do nothing more than yell and shout and bully those who disagree with them where is the biblical balance?

01:56:49

that's a great question I think the biblical balance has to start with particularly for Christians with the actual

01:56:57

Bible one of the biggest problems for Christians who want to engage in the culture wars from whatever direction they want to do so is that they lay down their sword their first act when they get on the battlefield is to lay down their sword so the

01:57:11

Bible is the only thing that I have to judge the rightness or wrongness of any particular idea or position

01:57:21

I try not to insert my personal opinion I just say ok if God said he created man and female then

01:57:28

I believe him if he said he created marriage to be between one man and one woman for one lifetime then I believe him so once we establish what our standard is we hold the scripture as a ruler in one hand and any other opinion as a crooked stick in the other the key is to never confuse which one is used to measure the other so ultimately

01:57:54

I believe that I believe in being winsome

01:57:59

I know that's an overused term but winsome doesn't mean soft it doesn't mean accommodating wickedness or evil by the way that was my favorite cigarette when

01:58:09

I used to smoke I'm only kidding no I always hated menthol that was a joke so you know there's a way in which you can speak the truth honestly, boldly, forcefully without attacking people that being said 90 % of the criticism as intense as it may get that Christians get for their stances on these issues 90 % of that criticism is the stance itself it's not how it's delivered because no matter how gently or winsomely you tell two people that a marriage is meant for one man and one woman they are going to say that's bigoted that's homophobic, that's transphobic and that you're a bad person for holding that view which is why all these attacks ultimately come down to attacks on the authority and sufficiency of the

01:59:12

Scripture so it's the Gospel is offensive enough to people there's generally no need for us to add any extra sauce on top of that that's the way

01:59:24

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