Dinosaurs, the Ice Age, and more - are these answered in Genesis?

Hello, hello, everybody. Thank you so much for listening to Biblically Speaking. I'm your host, Cassie Belino, and I'm very excited today to have a new guest, Ken Ham. If you haven't heard of Ken Ham, you should because he's the founder CEO of Answers in Genesis, and he has created the Creation Museum out of Cincinnati, Ohio.

That's actually where I'm from. So this is extremely exciting for me. And also the internationally known ARC Encounter. But beyond that, you're also hosting a daily radio program called Answers. You are a published blogger, an author of over 30 books, and you're also a father.

So thank you so much for your time today, Ken. I'm really excited to chat with you today about early creation and young Christianity, young earth theory and early Christianity.

Well, thanks, Cassie. And it's great to be able to talk to you about those topics.

The Christian Background for Defending Genesis

Yes, this is one of those topics where I feel like you almost divide Christians because you have a lot of people that want to believe that dinosaurs are millions and billions of years away, but also that the earth was created a couple thousand years ago.

How did you get into this topic as a whole? What's kind of your background to get here?

Well, first of all, let me say, you know, division can be good and can be division can be bad. You know, we need to divide in regard to man's word infiltrating God's word. But we need to have unity over God's word.

And, you know, even the Apostle Paul talks about that. But, you know, we can get onto that a little later on. You know, I was brought up in a Christian home in Australia. Hope you can still hear my Aussie accent.

I don't want to sound American or anything like that. So and Americans love the Aussie accent anyway. So I've had someone tell me, it doesn't matter what you say. We just like to hear you saying it. So see, I can get away with anything.

But I was brought up in a Christian home with a father and mother who taught us God's word and a heart for evangelism, for reaching people with the gospel. And at the Creation Museum and the Ark, when people come here, they find that the gospel is presented in many ways in different places, because that's our heart.

Our heart is evangelistic. We're all about biblical authority. My parents, though, when they taught us God's word, they also taught us to defend the Christian faith. In other words, they didn't use the word, but I would use the word apologetics.

Apologetics comes from the Greek word apologia in 1 Peter 3 15. Always be prepared to give an apologetic, an apologia, a logical reason, defense of the faith. And so, you know, when I was a teenager, of course, liberal theology, questioning the miracles in the Bible, the virgin birth and so on, was sort of rampant in a lot of our Bible colleges, seminaries and churches.

And so my father made sure he taught us the answers so we wouldn't doubt God's word and that doubt lead to unbelief. And so I was brought up by parents who would never knowingly compromise God's word, who also taught me that the book of Genesis is foundational to the rest of the Bible in all doctrine, which it is.

Genesis 1 to 11 is the foundation for everything. There's nothing it's not the foundation for. And so, you know, I went through high school and course evolution was taught in the textbooks. And in those days, we didn't have the answers in regard to science, had biblical answers.

But, you know, we didn't understand the dating methods and things like that. And then I went through university, same sort of issue. And then I managed to get some books from different parts of the world that gave me answers biblically and scientifically.

And then I became a high school teacher. And in 1975, that probably was before you were born, in 1975, I was conducting my first teaching class in a science class in a public school in country town, two and a half hours west of the city of Brisbane in eastern Australia.

And the students saw that my name was on the list to head up the Christian group in the school. And they said, Sir, how can you be a Christian? We know that you can't be true. And I said, why is that?

I said, the Bible can't be true because of what we've taught in our textbooks about evolution and millions of years. And then someone said to me, one of the students said, and Noah couldn't fit the animals on the ark anyway.

And right there, I realized those students needed answers to questions. And they saw the teaching of evolution millions years as a stumbling block to even listening to the gospel to God's word. And that was the embryonic beginnings of that.

And I, as a science teacher, took my students to museums, but they're all from an evolutionist, atheistic perspective. And even back then in the 70s, I said, Lord, why can't we have a Christian museum that teaches the truth?

And so in 1980, actually, I and another friend of mine ran the first ever creation apologetics conference in Australia in 1977. And I displayed the books I had and people wanted to know how to get those books, because they'd got answers.

And so my wife and I started a bookstore in our home. That's how the ministry started in 1977. And then I began sort of a teaching ministry associated with that, being invited to speak in churches. And then in 1980, I and one of the board members had helped to start the ministry, stood on a piece of property, and asked the Lord if he would allow us to build a creation museum.

And the Lord answered that prayer in the state of Kentucky, the greatest Cincinnati area, northern Kentucky, in 2007. And then we opened the Ark Encounter in 2016. And they are the two leading Christian themed attractions in the world.

The Ark Encounter is the biggest attraction, themed attraction in the state of Kentucky. And we have thousands of people coming every day, millions have come. And then we have the Answers in Genesis ministry that runs the attractions.

We publish all sorts of books and curricula, and Sunday school, home school curricula, Christian school curricula, all sorts of books for all ages. We have massive that channels on on YouTube channels, with, you know, millions of I think we've up to 30 plus million live pro watches at the moment.

You know, we have all sorts of all sorts of outreaches that we do speaking, domestic outreach, international translation ministry. I mean, right now we're translating into, I think it's about 20 different languages, and so it goes on.

So there we are. Beginnings in Australia as a high school teacher, brought up in a home with a father who was a teacher. And the ministry today impacts tens of.

Millions of people every year. Oh my gosh, Ken, what an amazing story. You make it sound so easy. What were some of the obstacles or issues that you had to face in establishing such a renowned museum?

You know, that's an interesting question, the way you put that, make it sound so easy. It's like reading the Bible, you know, you read about the Israelites. Oh, yeah. And they went in and conquered Jericho.

Yeah. And then they went and conquered AI. And then they fought the giants. And you just, you can read that. And, you know, in the evening, just, you know, in a few minutes reading the Bible, and you think, I wonder what it was like.

All that must have happened during those battles at the time, and all the stresses and struggles. And, you know, to me, really, this ministry, the history of this ministry is like the Israelites conquering the promised land.

And remember, it says in the Bible, little by little. And so we've had our mountains to climb, we've had our valleys that we've gone down into. We've had opposition from atheists, we've had court cases, we've had to do all sorts of battles over the years.

So yeah, I think, you know, one of the biggest battles, obviously, is being able to have the finance you need to do all these. Because, you know, between the Ark and the Creation Museum, we've probably raised over the years over a quarter of a billion dollars to build those.

They are massive facilities. And, you know, we've all done it by stepping out of faith. We never have the every day to do what we do. And God raises up people and supplies that. And so we've had all sorts of challenges over the years.

Atheists have tried to stop us, tried to close us down, tried to stop us building the Creation Museum. We had court cases over that, we've had court cases over the Ark encounter. I mean, it's sort of never ending.

And in some ways, I'm sort of, you know, you look at that and people say, wow, you get so much opposition. And we even get opposition from within the church too, for those that don't agree with our message.

And we have skeptics and others and people who have, you know, said, what are you feeding all that money on that for when you should be feeding the poor, you know, and then you look at all the money they're wasting on the political battles right now.

And that's billions of dollars. Are they saying the same things to them? Of course not. They only say that to us because we're a Christian organization. So, you know, I'm one for saying we have to step out in faith.

We have to trust the Lord, because it's got to be a responsible faith. It's responsibility and sovereignty hand in hand. And we've done that over the years and the Lord has blessed us. I must admit every day, I sort of look at the facilities and we have 1500 staff, 750 full time and 750 part time and seasonal.

And the facilities that we have, we have our own Christian school too called Answers Academy and our own TV studios and audio. And you look at this ministry and I just shake my head sometimes and say, wow, how did that happen?

Well, it's a God thing. That's what we say,.

It's a God thing. Absolutely. So I understand that there probably is a lot of pushback, especially when it comes to museums. Did you, how do you deflect some of that doubt, some of the fingers being pointed at you that what you're preaching may not be scientifically.

Accurate? Well, that's where, you know, one of the things we do, actually, we do something interesting here at the Creation Museum that secular museums don't do. We actually, now while you hear this, this is radical for education.

We teach people how to think, not just what to think, but how to think. For instance, as you come into the first part of the Creation Museum, I mean, we have a planetarium with a laser projection show, which is absolutely stunning and a 4D theater.

But then we have this section where we walk you through and teach you how to think. And so we actually teach people how evolutionists think, how secularists think, and how Christians are to think. And we help them understand that there's two foundations or two religions.

In an ultimate sense, there's only two religions. It's God's word, man's word. You know, a battle between God's word and man's word started in Genesis 3, when God said to Adam, obey me, don't eat the fruit of this one tree.

In other words, obey God's word. The devil came and said, did God really say? You can be as God. You decide truth for yourself. In other words, obey man's word, don't obey God's word. And so we teach people, you know, our world, every one of us has a worldview.

It's a way of thinking. You know, when you look at the world today, and you say, why is there death and suffering here? Why are fossils all over the world? And you know, where did humans come from? And why are animals here or plants here?

Well, when you start from God's word in Genesis, it gives us a history that there was a perfect world. And then death came as a result of sin. There was an event called the flood of Noah's day. And that's why you have fossils and then the Tower of Babel.

That's why you have different people groups, not races. We all go back to one man and one woman, one race. But if you start from those who reject God's word, they start with what you call naturalism. In other words, everything came about by natural processes.

Somehow the universe came into being by supposedly a big bang. They didn't see it happen, but that's what they believe. And that somehow then the stars came and then the sun and then the earth is a hot molten blob and it cools down for millions of years to get water and then there's life.

And so there's been this evolutionary progression and death has always been here. The Bible says death is an enemy. And it's an intrusion because of sin. And so when they then build their worldview on that, and they look at the world and they say, yeah, death has always been here, been here for millions of years.

Yeah, fossils that were laid down over millions of years. Yeah, life evolved by chance, random processes. See, your starting point determines a worldview by which you interpret the evidence. And so what we do here is something that secular museums don't do.

We tell them what evolutionists say. We, for instance, have a model of Lucy, one of the supposed relatives of man, and we show the evidence and we show you how, when it's correctly interpreted, Lucy was an ape.

She was not human. But we go on and teach people, here's why evolutionists say what they do. Here's what we say. I mean, in secular museums, if they do mention Christianity, the Bible, they do it in a mocking way.

Whereas we're saying, look, this is why people think this way. This is how Christians could think, should think. And then we say, our foundation is the Bible. We admit that. Now, let me go through and tell you where the Bible came from.

Let's walk through the history in the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and show you how it makes sense of the world and how the evidence, correctly interpreted, confirms it. You can't ultimately absolutely.

Prove, but confirms. I was about to say, it sounds like you're using scientific evidence to prove the Bible versus just relying on the scientific evidence to prove the more evolutionary.

Secular beliefs. Well, we would not say prove, because we are fallible human beings who don't know everything. You know, the Bible tells us God knows everything and Christ is ahead of all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

He's infinite knowledge and wisdom. So in that sense, we as humans can't ultimately prove God. God is the one that proves that to us. You know, without faith, it's impossible to please him. He who comes to him, you know, must believe in him.

He is a revealer of those who do that. And God ultimately reveals that to each one of us. But if the Bible is God's word, it'll make sense of the evidence. And we would say, correctly interpreting the evidence confirms the history in the Bible.

And ultimately, you can't prove that. Now see, this is where the secularists say, oh, we can prove the earth is billions of years old. No, you can't. We can prove evolution. No, you can't. You can't scientifically prove those things in regard to the past.

You can interpret the evidence in a particular way and claim that it supports your view. And I would say that your interpretation is incorrect. But you can't go out there and say, we can prove this. In the present, we can say, you know, I can prove that I am talking to Cassian right now because we're here in the present and we can observe it and others can observe it.

And see, observational science involves using your five senses in the present to, you know, when you're in a laboratory, laboratory, you mix chemicals together and you can develop technology because of our observational science.

But when it comes to the past beliefs about the past, when you weren't there, we didn't see the Grand Canyon being laid down. We didn't see life forming. So there's beliefs. And as Christians, we have a God who said, hey, here's what happened.

And he gives us details. The evolutionists, the secularists have to say, we weren't there, but we believe this happened. And so they come up with their beliefs. We've got to understand that when it comes to talking about the past,.

You're talking about beliefs. Okay. I've been hearing a lot about that when it comes to like proving and just the nomenclature of it has to be very specific because you're right. We can't prove God. But I think when you are an early Christian, which is why I started this podcast was I just have basic questions about Genesis.

It's, it's one, it's the most important book of the Bible because it sets up the rest of it, but understanding it from a very logical 2024 modern mentality. I was raised as a Christian as well, that I should take the Bible literally.

Now I've had a lot of conversations with people and a lot of scholars have different outlooks. So I'm not trying to say who's right, but there's some that say Genesis is a biblical narrative. That is a more representative story that was told in a way that made sense for the ancient Israelites.

So the way the stories are told, like Noah's flood was told in a narrative form. That was very common at the time that stories like that were told now getting into kind of the meat of, you know, how should we interpret Genesis?

Because I want some answers in Genesis.

Genesis as Historical Narrative and the Testimony of Jesus

You can ask me whatever questions you want and that's fine. But let me just say this first of all, right? When somebody says, Oh, you're one of those people that takes the Bible literally, I say, now, wait a minute, wait a minute.

What do you mean by literally? You have to define literally because there is poetry in the Bible, right? That doesn't mean it doesn't teach literal truth, but it is poetic, right? The Psalms are poetic.

There's apocalyptic literature in the Bible, like revelation. Jesus taught using parables, which means he took earthly things to teach heavenly things. And so it goes on. And so what I say to people is when they say, you take the Bible literally, I say, you know, the best way to explain it is I take the Bible naturally.

And what do you mean by naturally? According to the type of literature, the language, if it's historical narrative, I take it as historical narrative. If it's poetry, I take it as poetic. If it's apocalyptic literature, I take it as apocalyptic literature.

And understanding language, we also know that we every day, we use words in symbolic ways or allegorical ways. For instance, we'll say it's raining cats and dogs. We know what that means. It's not literal cats and dogs.

The Bible says, Jesus is the door. Well, he's not literally a door, like a door to your room, but he is the door to heaven. We know what the door means. You're using a literal door. And by the way, for something to have a symbolic meaning, it's got to have a literal meaning first, and then you can apply it in an allegorical way.

And so, you know, it's the same in Genesis. For anything to have a symbolic meaning, it has to have a literal meaning first. We've got to remember that. And so, you know, when you were saying that what you were taught about how to take, you know, Genesis written against, you know, like the Near Eastern myths of the day or something or other and to explain things.

See, here's where I would say, I have a whole different view of the Bible, right? Because 2 Timothy 3 says, all scripture is inspired by God. Now, I would say it's God's revelation to us. And so God moved people by his spirit, actually says that over 3000 times in the Bible says it's the word of God.

So God moved people by his spirit to write his words. See, I think many of us can easily be influenced by a secular view of history, an evolutionary view of history, that man started primitive, he learned to grant, he invented language, he then learned to write and so on.

Genesis 5 .1 says this is the book of the generations of Adam. Now, could it be that Adam actually wrote a book? I mean, there's something radical for us. Could Adam have written a book? Why not? If God made Adam and God spoke to Adam, he already had a language to start with.

Who says he couldn't write? Who says that then Seth didn't write and down to, you know, Shem, and they took those writings with them on the ark and eventually handed down to Moses. See, I have a whole different view of scripture and that scripture is not written because of man, scripture comes from God to man.

And it's God's revelation for all people for all time. It says it's going to stand forever, says it's going to stand forever because it is God's word. And so when it comes then to how should we take Genesis, I would say, first of all, it is very much certainly historical narrative.

You have in Genesis, you have the barbed consecutives and God said, and God saw and so on, which is all characteristic of historical narrative. But the other aspect of it is this, if you go to the New Testament, when you look at Matthew 19, when Jesus, who's the God man, was asked about marriage, he said, haven't you read, read what?

Haven't you read, he who made them at the beginning made them male and female. That's a quote from Genesis 1 .26 and Genesis 1 .27. Well, it's actually a quote from Genesis 1 .27, attesting to the historicity of Genesis 1 .27, that God made them male and female.

There's only two options, by the way. And he reiterates that in Mark 10 .6, that he made them male and female. And then he says, and for this cause shall a man of his father and mother and cleave unto his wife and there'll be one flesh.

That's quoting Genesis 2 .24. And Genesis 2 .24 is the creation of marriage. And as I say to people who created marriage, because that's where marriage comes from, God did, not Joe Biden or the Supreme Court justices, right?

God created marriage. And there's only one marriage he created, a man and a woman. So there's Jesus attesting to the historicity of Genesis. You could do the same, 1 Corinthians 15 .45, the apostle Paul says Adam was the first man.

And, you know, Romans 5 .12, by one man, sin of the world and death by sin. Acts 17 .26, God made from one man, all nations put as well on the face of the earth. It's all attesting to the historicity of one man to start with.

His name was Adam. So you can go and you can look at Peter. You can look at, you know, the apostle Paul, you can look at Jesus' own words. In the new Testament, there are so many references back to Genesis 1 to 11 as history.

So they took.

It as history. So I'm going to take it as history. Okay. So maybe I need to reshape my brain as far as how I read Genesis 1. When it comes to, you know, what they believe as far as evolutionary theory, it took years.

Is there a way that it can be both and and not either, or as far as in Genesis 1 and 2 with the creation of the earth and then Adam and Eve, is it possible that yes, God did create all those things, but for you, are you, when I say literally, is it that it was seven days or do you think those seven days are more symbolic of a longer period of time and that would kind of play into the more evolutionary theory?

What do you believe and what evidence do you use to.

Support that belief? Well, you've asked a number of questions there. So let's see if I can remember them all. My age, I'm not sure I can remember them all. But so first of all, when it comes to the days of creation, okay, I mean, think about how we look at scripture.

If we read the account in the Bible, a fish swallowed Jonah, and he was in the fish for three days and spat the fish out. We read it and say, oh, that's what happened. Yeah, right. Yep. Do we say, hmm, I don't think a fish could do that.

So I don't think it means that. I'm not sure he was in the fish three days, maybe it was 3000 years. I mean, we don't know what do we know what a day means? I mean, in other words, you know, how do we know Jesus rose from the dead?

Because the Bible says, how do we know Jesus healed people who are blind, who raised people from the dead, who healed the lame? How do we know that? Because of what the Bible says? How do we know the Israelites crossed the Red Sea is a miracle because of what the Bible says.

And yet we come to Genesis and we say, God created in six days. And he created Adam from dust on day six and woman from his side. And we say, Oh, what does that mean? And why do we say that? And I'm going to challenge us.

The only reason we say that is not because of what the Bible says. But because we have been impacted by ideas outside the Bible, evolution, millions of years, they're not from the Bible, you can't point to the Bible anywhere and show me millions years, you can't point to the Bible and show me, show me a man coming from an ape like creature.

It's not there. So where do we get those ideas from? We got them outside of Scripture, and we're taking them to Scripture. Here's a danger. If we're taking ideas outside of Scripture and reinterpreting Scripture, aren't we putting man over God's Word instead of God's Word over man's Word?

And aren't we unlocking a door to say it doesn't mean what it says. And so could we do the same then with marriage? Oh, we can take LGBT and reinterpret God's Word. You see the danger? I absolutely see.

When you read Genesis as is, we let the language speak to us. So if it says tree, we know it means tree. Fruit, we know it means fruit. Now day, the word day is a Hebrew word yom. And it has a number of different meanings, just like most words have two or more meanings dependent upon context.

Like I could say, you were sitting in a chair with your back in the back of the chair. I have a sore back and we might come back one day to do another interview. I mean, there's the word back with different interpretations, right?

But context determines it. We can say during the day, you mean the daylight portion of a day, I worked, and then I took three days to drive to California. Oh, three 24 hour days, right? And one day, meaning time, sometime, I might come back.

And the Hebrew word day has the same range of meanings. And so the question is, taking the literature and the language as it's written, when according to the Hebrew dictionaries, like Brown Driver Briggs is a great lexicon and Cola Baumgartner, there's others out there.

According to them, when does the word yom mean an ordinary day? Whenever it's connected to the word evening, whenever it's connected to the word morning, whenever it's connected to a number, whenever it's connected to the word night, or whenever you have the phrase evening and morning.

And you'll look at the six days of creation. And for the first one, it says, and there was evening and morning. And it says, and it actually doesn't say that the actual word means one day, not first day.

In other words, is defining the word day, this is one day. And then for the others, it's evening, morning, second day, evening, morning, third day. If the word day just had a number with it, that's all it had connected to it, it means an ordinary day.

Because Cassian, if you look in Genesis two, Genesis two, four, it says in the day that the Lord created, well, what does the word day mean? They people say it doesn't mean an ordinary day. No, it doesn't.

Because it's not qualified by evening, or morning, or number or night. It means time in the time that God created, just like you would say, one day, I'm going to go somewhere. And you know, what's interesting, I'll say one more thing here.

Do you realize, the word day is used through the whole of the Old Testament. It's like, you know, 360 something times, it's used many, many times through the Old Testament. And we know what it means everywhere.

It's used except Genesis one. Why do we, we don't have a problem with Joshua marching around Jericho in a day, we don't say was that 1000 years? Was that a million years? We don't, we don't have those sorts of problems.

But we do with Genesis one. And the reason is not because of the literature, the language, it's obvious. It's because we're impacted by outside influences.

Wow, that just blew my mind. Ken, thank you so much for associating. That's why we have these conversations is because this type of information is exactly what needs to be the guardrails of how we approach the Bible.

And I absolutely struggled with the word yom. And I was for that previous argument of, it could be 1000s of years, we don't know how long that day is. But I think that specification of association with evening and morning, a number that is extremely helpful.

And Cassie, if I can just say one other thing, because some people will say to you, I'm sure you've heard this. But doesn't the Bible say a day is like 1000 years? I'm sure it does. 2nd Peter 3, it says a day is like 1000 years, then it says 1000 years like a day.

And people often use that to say, see, the word day couldn't be an ordinary day. Well, number one, it's a phrase from the New Testament, you can't use a phrase from the New Testament to determine the meaning of a Hebrew word.

That depends on the Hebrew language. Number two, it's in the context of the second coming, it says to God, a day is like 1000 years. In other words, God's outside time. It has nothing to do with defining the word day.

And then it says a day is like 1000 years or 1000 years like a day, which just cancels it right out anyway. It's saying to God, there's no time. And we think it's a long time since Jesus said he was coming back.

It's been 2000 years. But to God, that's not a long time. It's not his will that any should perish. So, you know, there's people bring up all sorts of arguments to try to come against the meaning of word day in Genesis, but you've got to go back to the language, the literature, the context.

Absolutely. Now, I think that really clears up things for Genesis one. And even with Genesis two, I have similar types of questions on how do we approach the literal story that's being told for Noah and the flood and people that argue that it is more of a local flood or that it is more of a biblical myth that is, you know, representing a different type of story.

Do you think that, you know, in Genesis, we can approach Cain and Abel? You know, is Cain and Abel representative of two different types of societies? Or is it literally two people that, you know, are the forefathers of two generations?

And the same with Tower and Babel. I feel like those are my core stories within Genesis that I struggle with as far as should we take it as the word says, or is there meanings that we need to be aware of and what it's trying to tell us?

And, you know, before I answer that too, you talked about, you know, Adam and Eve and evolution and so on. You know, for people who try to add evolution to the Bible, remember, the Bible says man was made from dust, not from an ape-like creature, from dust.

And then I've had some theologians say, well, the dust represents the ape-like creature, God breathed in and became a man. The Bible says, because of sin, we return to dust. When we die, we don't return to an ape-like creature.

And not only that, if dust to Adam is ape-like creature to man, what is rib to Eve? Because Eve was made from Adam's rib. And then when you jump over to the New Testament in 1 Corinthians 11, the apostle Paul says, woman came from man.

Twice he says that in that chapter. Woman didn't come from an ape woman. She came from man. And then you become one because you are one flesh. It all fits. It's the whole doctrine of marriage. It's all based on that.

And so it's very important. You know, when it comes to, okay, the flood, Noah and Cain and Abel and so on. Well, remember in the New Testament, God quotes about Cain and talks about the fact that Cain had a heart problem.

So he refers to Cain as a person, that he had a heart problem. And in Genesis 4, it even talks about Cain. Sin desires you. It wants to overtake you. Your sin nature wants to overtake you. Don't let it overtake you.

It wants to master you. You need a master over it. And he didn't. And he killed his brother Abel. And even the New Testament talks about Abel's blood crying out from the ground. And so, you know, we've got to look at the New Testament again that refers to these as real people.

Consider Hebrews 11. One of the people listed in Hebrews 11 as a person of great faith was a man called Noah. So it's referred to as a real man because you've got all these other people referred to in Hebrews 11, and you've got Noah.

You also have in the New Testament, as in the days of Noah, so shall the coming of the son of man be, and talks about, you know, even the flood. And it references in the book of Peter, it references eight people who were saved.

And you go back to Genesis and there were eight people on the earth, Noah, his wife, Ham, Shem, and Japheth, and their wives. And then think about the language of Genesis. It says, the highest hills under the whole of heaven were covered.

Now, does that sound like a local flood to you? No, it sounds like a global flood. And at the end of the flood, God said, I now make a covenant between man and the animals, between God and the animals, sorry, and God and man, that there will never be such an event again.

And a sign of that covenant will be the rainbow. When you see a rainbow, it's a sign that I now say that that is a sign I will never, I will never bring such a flood again on this earth. By the way, we've had lots of floods since, lots of floods, but no global flood.