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Yet to give that answer with gentleness and reverence. Our host is dr. James white director of Alpha Omega ministries and an elder at the Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church. This is a live program and we invite your participation.

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And good afternoon. Welcome to a live dividing line on the one day of this month. Basically that I'm home. I got back yesterday afternoon from Sydney, Australia and And Leave tomorrow morning first thing looking forward to seeing everybody tomorrow evening in New Orleans.

Please pray that my flights make it on time because normally don't speak on the same day. I travel but doing that tomorrow and So, you know when there's flight cancellations or issues like that that could cause Some problems, but anyhow, we are to be speaking on Islam a to Z tomorrow night and Thursday night in New Orleans.

See the nice very nice banner ad. Thank you very much Hasim king of graphics and then Friday Saturday and Sunday Leaving Nolans and again all the information's on the website if you want to look at the banner ads if you actually look at them long enough to allow them to scroll through basically and So this very very very very busy time which finally ends for me Monday afternoon Continues on so I just brought my my luggage home opened it up dragged the clothes out through them in the washing machine actually Very thankfully I've been married for almost 30 years.

So somebody else did that for me, but I will just basically repack all that stuff and head back out in the morning which is Is a challenge but we will we will press on you may notice a little bit of huskiness in my voice not nearly as bad as It was last week in Australia, and as I'm sure it will be by the end of the weekend Down south but Feeling fighting it and feeling a little bit better.

Had a pretty decent flight back as as any Flight of I think they said it's a little bit faster going back than it is coming out, so it's only about 13 hours on the way back so Had a little little turbulence at one point.

That somehow ended up in a dream. That was interesting I knew we were in turbulence, but I didn't actually wake up from it. That's the the joy of those those long flights, but Wanted to thank very very much everyone involved.

I'm I'm scared to start naming names because then you you skip people. But there were just so many people that made the time in Australia worthwhile both in Sydney and Brisbane and especially David old and his wife.

My wife got to go out for about four days. Sort of in the middle of things and as she says we do working vacations. I work she vacations and David's wife and Kelly got to go do things that are fun in Sydney and For example she did the the Harbor Bridge climb.

Which I would never do ever in my life because if I can see through the stairs, or if I can fall off of it, I don't like it and But she's not afraid of me that kind of stuff so she went and did all that kind of stuff and had a great time and So I very very very much appreciate that of course Poor David had to do so much work taking care of Kate taking care of me and all my many many needs as he reminded me more than once but Anyways, you may remember David.

He was on the program this last summer when he came by and told us all about the few surviving conservative Anglicans down there in Sydney and more college and places like that and and so. He he I got to well He even tried to make me feel guilty about not coming over one night to play with the kids, and I mean oh, it's just but we have a lot of dirt on the other ones, so I won't go into that on the program right now, but Excuse me we had a lot of fun, and he had to do a lot of work, and I bribed his kids with hot chips.

Yeah, that's what you know what hot chips are those are called french fries. Yeah, hot chips are french fries and when you have young kids in the in the backseat French fries and McDonald's are tremendous bribery mechanisms anyway if once we get well if you Hear in fact am I correct that after the program okay after Today's program we will be Playing the audio of the debate with Abdullah Kunda from University of New South Wales which took place a week ago yesterday and so you can stay tuned and listen to that right here on the dividing line stream and I think you'll find it to be a very useful and a very cordial and respectful debate.

And I think it'll definitely explain some of the fundamental and foundational issues. I was very very pleased with it, and I hope you will enjoy it as well, and you will hear David's sonorous tones as He moderated the well didn't moderate debate, but he What did he do he introduced the debate the moderator had to do almost nothing other than sit there and threaten to ring a bell?

And that's all she had to do during that that particular debate because Abdullah and I Obviously have debated before and it was very very respectful. So we will you will get to hear that right after the dividing line today I will be playing a brief portion of it during the dividing line as well.

Just one question and We will go from from there. I was gonna play more than that, but then I thought you're gonna be listening the whole thing. So there's no reason to do that so my tremendous. Thanks to David old and Craig the rector there at neutral Bay st. Augustine's st. Augustine's Anglican Church there in neutral Bay in Sydney and all the folks there had a great time with them up at their Their get-together.

I don't even know where the place was, but it was down near the water. And I discovered that they have cockatoos or cockatiels whatever they are Big huge honking, I mean, these are the biggest ones I've ever seen and they're in the wild and they are the loudest Things I have ever heard flying over my head.

I mean like a 747 except much more obnoxious they're just incredible and those were very very interesting things to experience out there in the wild and Beautiful place and then I spent three days with with mainly folks from Egypt Recording 19 television programs, which will be Cockatoos, um, okay, which will Be put into two DVDs.

One's called the renewed mind and we talked about Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses and gay marriage and a bunch of stuff like that and then we did a bunch of stuff on Islam, which will be on midnight cry and They said they'll be sending those to us.

So We may be able to make them available, I don't know what we're gonna do with them but 19 programs in the middle of the week. That's well, that's what my wife got to go do other things other than sitting there watching me do television programs, which would have bored her to absolute tears and Then I Took a flight up to to Brisbane and That Friday evening the debate with Roger Perkins, I want to thank Everybody that was involved up in Brisbane.

There's two different churches up in Brisbane. I I Craig Ireland and His folks did the debate and then I was with them Sunday morning and then in between time on Saturday I did a family camp with Craig and David Amore and all the guys that I was with two years ago You may recover.

Well, some of you might remember that Phil Johnson and I were with them two years ago and did a conference at that time and so everybody was involved and You know, there were the folks at the TV studio were running out and finding Guafenison for me because I was starting to get sick and my you know, I just never gave my throat my voice a break just just just never did I spoke Friday Saturday Sunday Monday Tuesday and for hours not just 45 minutes but like before the Abdullah Kunda debate, I did two hours of lecture at Moore College and so, you know with all the Speaking you do during the debate before the debate after the debate I mean hours and hours and hours of just constant use the voice and then 19 television programs and another debate and you know, it eventually just just caught up with me and You know, you look like you're zoning into the next universe out there proby especially with that with that Huge Arby's thing that you're munching on.

That's that's great. No, no, no No, that's I do not want to hear you talking with your mouthful No, you just you just keep eating away. You need all that protein that you can get anyway. So many many thanks to everybody some reports I I blogged from Brisbane About the two debates and there really couldn't be More of a contrast.

I I didn't even bring up evidently Roger Perkins has Written some type of response that Has been posted on the on the net. I saw the first few paragraphs of it earlier today response to my article on a tale of two debates and I'm gonna play some of the cross-examination With with mr. Perkins now all I have of the Perkins debate is what was recorded on my pen.

Yes, my pen I have a live scribe pen and some of you have heard of live scribe pens. I am NOT a paid spokesperson or an unpaid spokesperson, but I Ralph just said read the Perkins response didn't get the vibe of it.

I'll explain that later I'm not sure. I think I think I did explain to Ralph if you hear if you hear it silence. It's cuz I'm coughing. That's just just how it works. Um I think I did explain in channel the vibe thing and the dreamin thing, but I may explain that again.

I don't know. Anyhow, I will play a section of the of the cross-examination from my live scribe pen if any of you have Students in high school or college I cannot think honestly, I'm saying this absolutely seriously.

I Cannot think of a greater tool for a student a live scribe pen. I really can't I in my my daughter may be going back to school and so She may not listen to this but I can I can if that's the case. I Know what?

I need to get her for Christmas because there is just nothing More useful that I can imagine and so I have on my Mac in the other room Which is currently transferring to another Mac in the other room All of the notes from both debates on my computer in my own handwriting however, I can take my mouse and Click anywhere in my handwritten notes, which are on the screen and it will play what was being said at that time during the course of the debate and That's how I have the cross-examination Available to me even though we have not yet received the much more high-quality Recordings because this will be a recording from my pen.

So I'm much easier understand than mr Perkins is because I was closer to my pen than he was for obvious reasons. But that's how I have that is I have that in case anyone it hasn't happened yet but in case someone says something during a debate and Then they go back and say I never said that I Could actually stop it.

You know if I've got a microphone put it hold it down next to the pen go back and click on what I was writing At the time and it will replay exactly what was being said and That's why I've got it. So I think it's pretty cool anyway.

So I will play some of that the tale of two debates most of you know if you are a listener to this program That we spent a lot of time Reviewing a number of debates we reviewed a major portion of the Perkins slick debate major portions we played all of the Perkins Reeves debate and reviewed opening statements and some rebuttal in both days and Of course we did the same thing with Abdullah Cunda's debates some major debate on Trinity and Tauheed between Abdullah Cunda and Samuel Green who I got to meet down there in Australia as well.

Do you know he's from Tasmania? You know Tasmania actually exists, but I'm not sure if they have Tasmanian devils there. That's where that's the only that's the only thing It's famous for amongst Americans, but anyway And as I Mentioned in the blog article it was amazing the completely opposite reactions of The two debaters to my reviews.

One debater chose to Listen to what I had to say hear what I had to say Evidently accept correction when needed and Understand the insights provided on a subject where look I take the time to listen to Muslim scholars lecturing on Tauheed and I want to understand how various Islamic groups Understand Tauheed.

Okay They're the experts on it I need to learn from them so I listen and learn. When it comes to doctrine the Trinity Abdullah Cunda is a Muslim. I have written on this subject and so he was the wise one.

To go it would be good for me to listen there may be things I can learn I can increase in my Understanding of where you're coming from can dialogue more effectively etc. Etc. Etc that makes sense, that's that's doing the same thing in reverse that I do looking that direction in essence and So I I got no feeling that Abdullah took offense there were times.

I said no you're wrong in my reviews. I said no, I'm sorry for example his you know, we didn't talk about this, but his view of the woman touching Jesus's garments and Jesus is turning around, you know, I took strong exception to Abdullah's comments on that and I just don't think it's even even close to a meaningful reading of the text.

But he could have very easily chosen to be offended by everything. I said You said negative things about my position and you know could have just simply chosen to be offended at the whole thing and The result would have been a less than Cordial meaningful debate, but he didn't and the result as you will see from the debate I Think was very very useful.

I I would be happy to have any Muslim View and listen to the debate because I am confident that they will feel that The the topic was addressed with adequate depth and respect and cordiality and everything else and So that's what I wanted and that's what I said from the beginning.

Why am I doing this so that we can have? Better debates. So we can have more in-depth debates so that we don't have to deal with all the straw men and the false argumentation and we're really talking to each other and So on and so forth.

However The polar opposite was the case With Roger Perkins and Roger Perkins chose to be offended At everything I said he chose to interpret everything as ad hominem. Evidently if you're in the oneness camp if if someone says you are factually wrong about X Y or Z that is is ad hominem argumentation and You're attacking somebody and and He is not the first person Rich was mentioning that we have a fellow who calls He's actually called the program once or twice and he just seems to have a perennial chip on his shoulder.

I mean, he's just he's in constant overdrive emotional mode and If you even want to try to talk to the guy You've got to talk him down off the roof before you can even start having any meaningful conversation with him and evidently, this is just part of for many one to spin a costal is just the mindset of This just constant, you know in-your-face type thing.

And so It was very very odd He had flown in Four days before he needed to be there. I guess he was deathly afraid of jet lag and So he got there on Monday and the debate was on Friday. He did nothing all week.

He did absolutely nothing all week and You know really required a fair amount of Looking after shall we say on the part of his hosts something I try to keep to a minimum as much as I can when I am traveling, but anyways In the course of the debate, it became very very clear that Mr. Perkins was there to in essence Defend himself by Not so much engaging the subject.

But by defending himself and oneness theology in general. By making accusations against me, for example, he numerous times said that you know, he had Examples where he for example, he says I misquoted Moulton Milligan.

He never gave us an example never and I did anyone notice did he finally say where this allegedly was because because look every time I've looked up Roger Perkins use of scholarly materials, I've found it to be an error, so I You know, I can't even can't even guarantee You know things like that, but you can't even respond to that kind of thing.

It's just he just throws that stuff out there. I found that to be extremely Well That would have disqualified him at that point. Here it is I Can't even I don't even have Moulton Milligan in the room right now.

But evidently that was put in there. So I'll I'll look it up and be happy to happy to respond to it. Anyways, he threw this stuff out and it was just it was just a sad example of choosing not to take all that time and Focus your arguments.

Because look remember we even listened to where Perkins mentioned When mr. Reeves remember remember when Perkins made reference to the Savin debate and evidently from what I've been told Perkins has little respect for for Savin.

Which I found interesting. But anyways and He mentioned the Savin debate. So he knows of the Savin debate everybody on that side knows the Savin debate. What did I say in? this program I specifically said that I would be presenting pretty much the same material that I did in That debate and I did I presented pretty much the same texts.

I didn't do them in the same order. I had to cut things back because as I recall Savin one of these huge was a 45 minute. I think they're like 45 minute opening statements or some incredible thing like that and So I had to cut back a little bit I had to go through it a little bit faster than I than I did, but I I presented the same material.

So he knew exactly what I'd be doing. So if he really really really wanted to respond to me if he really wanted to refute what I had to say all he would have to have done was to provide a meaningful Counter-argumentation From the texts that that's all I had to do and Is that what he did.

Unfortunately, no, that isn't what he did. And in fact, he just Left responding to Philippians 2 5 through 11 and and These other things for later in the debate or during cross-examination. He didn't provide any meaningful exegesis because I am absolutely positively convinced That he cannot engage the text on that level.

I Am absolutely convinced that mr. Perkins While he Will say in his debates I can tell you about diya with a genitive. I think if I showed Roger Perkins a line of Greek that had diya with a genitive and he couldn't even find diya with a Genitive in it.

He doesn't know what it is. I don't believe you can read the Greek alphabet. I don't believe you can pronounce Greek words. I don't believe he knows anything about Greek grammar and Don't even start on Hebrew.

He just doesn't know these things. He's going on secondary sources and tries to make up with bluster what he lacks in training and that came out very very clearly in the cross-examination, which I'll play a portion of later on and So as a result One of the two debates was what I had hoped for.

It showed respect for the audience. We set a standard for how these things could take place. The other did not. I cannot Do any more than I did for both of my opponents in? Laying out for them exactly what it is I'm going to say and exactly what it is.

We need to be discussing one had ears to hear the Muslim. One did not the guy who claims to be a Christian. I Not sure what that means. But it is a fascinating commentary. It it really really does is a fascinating commentary so Let's uh, let's start.

Sometime in November probably late November I'm going to be doing a radio program With a fellow by a name of Patrick novice Mr. Novice is an anti-trinitarian Unitarian Who together with Dan Magus was on the Gene Cook show a number of years ago.

Both went to master's college and both are now Anti-trinitarian Unitarians and as far as it one of the things was confusing about listening to the Gene Cook program, which I listened to this morning again while writing was that I Couldn't always tell who was talking.

They didn't identify themselves. They both have very similar voices and they were on the phone. So It was a little bit confusing as to who was taking what position but at least one of them was a Person who doesn't believe in hell open theist anti-trinitarian and I'm not sure what exactly where the other one was but One thing I did find very very interesting was how many times the arguments being used by the Unitarians were the same arguments that Abdullah Kunda had presented.

Very similar so right toward the end of the program. I think this was Patrick novice Asking Gene Cook a question listen to this question and then I'm going to play the last question that Abdullah asked me and See if you don't see a an interesting.

An interesting parallel difficult to make a case on a statement like that. I have one question. I'd like to just present. Maybe it's kind of a final question. I see that time is running out. Just curious how you would answer this question.

It's claimed like as we talked about before at the Trinity doctrine itself is Necessary to accept to be saved according to the classical orthodox position. My question is is simple But I just the question I've always had and kind of always driven me to pursue the issue Is why if in fact that doctrine is so crucial and in fact required for us in order to be saved?

Why in your opinion gene? Why do you think that the Bible writers never made it a point to teach it in a clear way in the same sense They did teach other doctrines for example Jesus. He's the Messiah God sent him into the world to save us that God raised him from the dead.

Those are all Doctrines and concepts that the scriptures teach not only clearly but they emphasize so that anybody who reads the Bible you know, you know when you don't need or require a Class in theology to understand those concepts because they're taught directly.

Why do you think in the case of the Trinity a unique concept? Distinguishing distinguishes Mainstream Christianity from other beliefs. Why do you think and you're why is it that the writers of Scripture never made it a point?

To directly teach us that. So there's there's the question there now. Let's. I don't think there's any collusion here but here is the very end of Dillikunda's cross-examination of me and I tell you what I'm gonna do is.

Well, we're gonna play all this so. Well, anyways, here's here's here's here's the question.

To Accept the idea that you put forward when words like or terms like God man I'm not present in the New Testament or the Old Testament for that matter when you know It's a historical reality that the idea of God was Repugnant to you know Jews in the Greek period and therefore the time that Jesus came.

I mean has God not made it extremely difficult for us and And basically asking us to accept that. Well, yeah this contradicts with that but if we put it together we can only marry it in one way.

Now isn't that interesting that's pretty much the same question they both said the same thing and. And that is well, you know, why is it so difficult? Why isn't there just a nice clear? Credal statement, you know if this is so central.

And I'll just briefly pray play my brief response to him. No, I don't think God has made it difficult. And in fact Abdullah, I pray regularly in the spirit of God who is upon your heart. You'll find me very easy.

I do not say that in a flippant way. I do not I don't say that in a flippant way. I I do. Honestly, I can honestly say that I have prayed for Abdullah Kunda and I respect him. He's about the same age as my son.

I Do not believe that God has made it difficult. What I do believe is that God requires us to believe all that God says and as you said My argument is there are three biblical teachings. There's one God distinction of persons and the equality of persons.

It's I think from your perspective you have to believe everything that God has said in the Quran. I'm simply saying if God has said it all we believe it. Could it be more conveniently stated? Well, maybe in a Western mindset maybe but I think there's something beautiful the fact that it has been revealed in God's Activity with his people and in the way that it's real description rather than to be perfectly honest with you I don't find a printer manual overly compelling for that might be easier to look it up, but I'm glad guys.

So there was my response to that question with with Abdullah and then I had my 12-minute closing statement and Then he had had his. He did liken he did liken my closing statement to a 12-minute sermon and I suppose in in some sense, you know come to think of it.

I just realized even though we are playing this afterwards We won't be playing as a part of the regular dividing line rotation. So it would be okay. I think if I played that Because that's what will be heard, you know farther on down the road.

So I did want to do that but before Let's let's Before I do that. I do want to let's even see if this is Listenable because I'm not sure that it is. It's it's amazing how things can sound in earphones in comparison to when it goes out.

I want to play a few minutes of the cross-examination with the Roger Perkins the first cross-examination I had Where I am attempting attempting to get him to deal with the text of Philippians 2 5 and following because that's what I presented as Really the heart of my presentation and that is that the Sun as a divine person Pre-existed his birth in Bethlehem and here is evidence thereof so let's go ahead and listen to a few minutes of this and I'll I'll try to leave enough room to make sure to get to my closing statement and maybe a little bit more of With with Abdullah Kunda, but here's Hopefully understandable.

I will be louder and I suppose I'll have to explain this or I'm gonna get accused of something I will be louder and more understandable than mr. Perkins in this recording. Because the recording is coming from my pen.

Which is lying on the desk in front of me and he is about 10 feet farther away from my pen. And therefore you will not be able to hear him as well. We aren't trying to doctor it or anything else. I'm sad to have to even make that kind of comment, but that seems to be the mindset of certain people.

Here's. Here's my interaction with Roger Perkins. They were Holding for two verbs. Hey gates at all in verse six and a Kenilson in verse seven the term means to empty literally. Could you please tell tell me are you saying that the historical Messiah?

Did not consider the equality he had with God something to be grasped. But emptied himself. Could you explain when this happened, please? Walter I'm still not getting an answer. When did the action when did the action of cannot oh in verse seven take place if you're saying it's during the human ministry.

When during the human ministry of Jesus. So you just said it's describing the incarnation which is what I said. But I thought you just said this is actually describing Jesus's human ministry. What and could you please explain to us how Jesus the Messiah Was equal to God if he was God.

Tainai is a fail. What does it mean to be equal with God because this is this is what he does not consider. Something to be held on to. How was the human Jesus equal with God? Okay, so how would this be an example then of humility you're sitting.

Are you saying that God did not give consideration To being equal with God. I Know that's your position, but I haven't gotten an answer yet for what it means for the text to say that he did not Consider equality with God a thing to be grasped.

What does that how is that related to his humility if he did not lay that aside. Perfect you're getting. Could you explain the use of the reflexive pronoun the beginning of verse 7 how time he Emptied himself.

Who is the specific subject of the verb who does this act of emptying? Okay, so what was involved in the Messiah Emptying himself that would be related to equality with God. How did Jesus do that? So the following words taking the form of a servant really aren't filling out what the emptying actually was.

And. But you just said adding humanity himself that takes us back to the actual incarnation. Which would mean the consideration of verse 6 had to be before the incarnation. A. But on a simple Greek grammatical basis.

Can you dispute that the verb of a gaze at all takes place before a kenosen and in light of what you just said? Forces you to believe that there is an action on the part of the Messiah before his incarnation.

Okay, you just said that the. Okay, you just said that the emptying of verse 7 referred to the incarnation. But hey gaze at all by any Translational language has to come before the Emptying so you have a divine person not considering equality.

He had with God something to be grasped prior to the incarnation. How is that not a vindication of my Jesus? In John chapter 17 verse 5, could you please explain to us? Who is speaking when the temporal phrase pra to Tom Cosmo is used before The world was who who is speaking about this time period?

Or. Okay, I'm just asking from your perspective not not my perspective from your perspective exegetically who is Speaking about this time period before the world was. Did the Sun exist before the world was.

And is the Logos a divine person. Then what is the then what is. Then what is the Logos in your understanding of John 17 5. So This was a plan that is speaking and speaking of the time when the plan Existed para say alto and para soy.

So a plan Knows of its pre-existence. So Mr. Perkins, do you recognize that the statement you've quoted to me three times had a particular context that completely removes it from relevance to what we're talking about.

Yeah, I'm the one who said the words here's here's. Let me let me try to focus once again. Are you saying that the human nature of Jesus? Is it is the father speaking in John 17 5. Okay, so since Potter the father is the direct object.

This is someone else praying to Potter, right? In John. Okay, then so he defined who that was prior to John 17 5. Okay, so who is the person who was by the father's side in eternity. All right. So the human being was para say alto was by the side of the father before time was.

Okay, I think you get a good sense from from that of The nature of attempting to cross-examine Roger Perkins. While I was playing that all of a sudden it struck me. I have the time to look up Moulton Milligan so I just looked and I I I Despair.

I'm sorry. Mr. Perkins Feels this is all ad hominem. I don't need to do ad hominem against. Mr. Perkins He provides me with all the necessary argumentation. I need ad hominem is for people who don't have an argument.

Mr. Perkins interprets refutation of his horrific lack of scholarship and in fact his horrific inability to understand basic English sentences as Being ad hominem. It's not when he gives us so many examples of this which unfortunately is done again in this debate he accused me of misrepresenting Moulton Milligan and then he Didn't say why?

Well when I mentioned that someone put in channel the specific reference. Quoted from what? Mr. Perkins put up on the web. So I went and got Moulton Milligan and I looked at the quote. I looked at page 417 and I quoted it exactly.

Correctly the only the only possible accusation you might make is that the Greek term monogamous actually starts on page 416 so maybe and then unigenitis is right afterwards. So maybe I should have put 416 through 417, but it's all in 417 at the actual English that I quoted.

It's all in 417. So I'm going. All right. What did I do wrong here, so I said somebody give me the URL so someone gave me the URL and. So I looked up what it what he said in your article the pre-existence of Christ you reference Moulton in dealing with Magenet's Theos as.

More accurately the unique God in quote Moulton says nothing about the unique God has given definition. Yet you include it in quotes question mark so I said Huh, okay, so I went to the article. This is an old article.

I wrote this in seminary about 1988 ish and. So I looked it up and you can look it up for yourself. It's Vintage that ailment org won't be there for long. I hope in the sense that that's going to be switched over to the new format someday.

It probably already has been we're just waiting for the new we've got a new website heading in your direction folks. It's gonna be really cool. But anyways, it's the underlying pre-underlying existence underline of underlying Christ at HTML and I'd say about third of the way into it.

The prologue continues to identify the log-offs of the person who Jesus Christ in 114. It is interesting to note that John very carefully Differentiates between the word in his absolute nature and all of the things.

When the eternal word is in view John uses in when created things are being discussed such as John in John in 1 6 Is found however, oh that was ain't I'm sorry when we come to the we're gonna have to stick the Greek in these eventually.

These were this was back before you could actually use much Greek and that kind of stuff. Well, we come to the time event of 114 ie the incarnation John switches from the timeless aim to the aristocanata.

The word became flesh at a point in time in history finally in 118 footnote 9 John seals the case by calling Jesus the quote only dash begotten God comma quote or comma more accurately comma the quote unique God close quote footnote 10 who reveals the father who exegetes footnote 11 God to man.

If you go to footnote number 10 You will see that the word in his absolute nature and all of the things that are being discussed at the time event of 114. And you just scroll down to the bottom of the page not a hyperlink, unfortunately, maybe someday.