They Went Out From Us? | 1 John 2:19

1 John 2 19 it says here is this what

I think it is they went out from us but they were not of us for if they had been of us they would have remained with us but they went out what in order to what in order that it might be shown that all of them are not of us now what does he mean in this passage obviously if you look at all of John's talking about who these people are you will come to the inevitable conclusion that he's talking about the

Gnostics the Gnostics were real actual people who believed in some interesting stuff and you know from John's experience just like with Paul with Judaizers right they came in spy out the

Liberty and things like that okay well John he has same problem these Gnostics he says look if you don't believe that Jesus came in a flesh you're

Antichrist so those are the people that came into the church apparently tried to corrupt it the church said no we're not having that and from there they left that's the crowd that he's talking about that's real different from removing that crowd context and after that I'm gonna place in there like people that claim that they were saved but all sudden they're atheists now no longer saved

I'm gonna place all in people into that context and that's what I'm gonna read it as and man does that verse make sense what until what you decide to you know actually entertain or actually ask the thought of who is

John talking about because if he ain't talking about my group that I'm preaching I can't say that no more

I read the crowd and I'm like wait a minute he don't believe Christ in the flesh like wait these people once did believe that these jokers here they never believe it and they were in the church they were trying to go and corrupt it and do all these other things church said no but that's what you see you even read some of the early church fathers don't talk to you about this stuff how these people ended up trying to come into church that's a context but if you don't know that then hey it's any man's game to say what

John means and so that that's I think that just that's just plain you know all right

Jeremiah any thoughts you're right the Gnostics did possess the spirit of Antichrist but Antichrist presents a true dichotomy you either have the spirit of Christ or you had the spirit of Antichrist of course

Gnosticism possesses the spirit of Antichrist guess what so does all false ideologies and worldviews that deny

Christ Jesus said you are either with me or you are against me this is a true dichotomy and so first John presents the the true dichotomy as well all throughout first John and I just want to simply point out in 519 of first John he says and we know that we are from God and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one you got those who are of God the children of God but you have unbelievers the spirit of Antichrist they are of the devil which are the antithesis of who

Christ is so yeah you have a particular group of people the Gnostics that are Antichrist so are the atheists they are

Antichrist in their own way but that is the whole world that lies in the lap of the the evil one so I think this this scripture presents a problem for the worldview that says truly regenerate born -again

Christians can lose their salvation because John is saying no they will manifest themselves that they are not truly of us why because God's children