July 20, 2016 Show with Mack Tomlinson on “Starting a Library: Suggested Building Blocks with the Best of Christian Books”

The Program’s Purpose and the Call to Read Christian Books

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Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania and the rest of humanity Living on the planet Earth who are listening via live streaming. This is Chris Arns and your host of iron sharpens iron. Wishing you all happy Wednesday on this 20th day of July 2016 and I am delighted that we have back on the program Mac Tomlinson, he was just on with us very recently and we have him back.

To discuss a topic that we did not have time to discuss the last time he was on. It was supposed to be part two of our discussion and we just got so involved in our discussion and got so many good questions from listeners that we We couldn't move on to the the topic that we are discussing today starting a library.

Suggested building blocks with the best of Christian books and as I said, my guest is Mac Tomlinson who is pastor of Providence Chapel in Denton, Texas and Mac is also going to be discussing a conference that he is not only organizing but speaking at.

That's the fellowship conference New England in Portland Maine and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron pastor Mac Tomlinson.

Good to be with you as always.

Amen, brother. And I know that reading is a very important part of Your life and obviously it should be a not only a part of every Christians life. But it should be a major part of every pastor's life, especially and that should go without saying.

But did you always have this passion for reading. In fact I could tell you With myself even though I I always all my life got very good grades. Up until I started experimenting with drugs in high school and that really Plummeted me down the toilet as far as the grades, but that had more to do with Not attending classes and things like that but I was always a Smart kid had good grades, but I really didn't become a voracious reader.

Until I became a Christian. I don't know if that's the same with you, but tell us something about this appetite for reading that developed in your life.

Conversion, Early Reading, and Hunger for God

During you know made probably see I became a Christian when I was 19 years. At that point and I had a pastor began reading the by hungry and soon to Different friends one book was and I read the book you and God correct.

I immediately realized I didn't know hardly anything, but that book impacted me so much. It made me say I must read the other book. In college someone gave me the little boy W tozer stirred me. Tell me what it meant to have a heart to seek after God to know him and A W toe in the 20th cent paperback book.

After that as I grew much and I learned so much That I realized so that was how I can books and reading now.

What kind of biblical encouragement can you give to our listeners to develop the Habits that will also increase an appetite for further reading in their life.

Well, I think one of the things to realize is intimidated about. You know, I've never been a reader. I Didn't do good in school. I'm not in intimidated about reading and. Or they don't even see you begin to reach the biblical and I wonder.

If we have often thought of this and by the way Let me just encourage your listeners if you're listening to way I could ever help other Christians. Hmm, and so I encourage you to get a pen iPad or your in fact.

Let me give my email address so that they could also ask you question. Yeah, that's Chris Arnzen at gmail .com see HR is AR n Z n at gmail .com.

Take notes. Not only of all I don't want so they could also and go to the archives. Biblical and I don't think we realize how often the Bible is referenced. Often mentioned in in Matthew 12 regarding The Sabbath he said have you not read what David did? in Matthew 19 for concerning true worship.

Babes. You have prepared me one. After his resurrection in Matthew 21 the stone looked in To a lawyer who were many places to the Thessalonians reading the little important with an oath. See the cloak that I love bring with him the Lord yet He still.

I've heard Christians say because about what God has done in his Bible alone. Oh, wouldn't you also say that?

There are Gifts that God has given to the church throughout the centuries Where he has placed teachers in our midst. Men who has spent their entire lives sometimes were able to dedicate more of their time to study in centuries past than your your average theologian or professor even could today because of the distractions and so on and we have such a wealth a rich fountain if you will of Available theologians and teachers who can help teach us what the scriptures mean who can exegete them and so on and we can find their exegesis in the written pages of these books and To discount them is the height of arrogance because you're really saying that you are smart enough and know your Bible well enough To do all this by yourself.

Exactly right. Well, I think you have a quote at the beginning of your program Every time I think it's wrong. Yeah, that's the solid grand Christian books commercial. It's a quote by Charles Adams Spurgeon and it is it is the heart of arrogance because if I If I believe all I need is the Bible.

I am saying I don't need any of my brethren. It's the same thing as saying, you know, I won't go to church and read my Bible. It's it's a delusion.

That's right. Amen. Well, did you have anything to add about the biblical encouragement for reading? Because I also like to know the spiritual benefits of reading. I mean, we've obviously just started addressing The fact that there are teachers available to us great giants of the faith that Know the original languages of the scriptures and so on and who have just been a precious help to.

They've been a precious help to each other. I mean you you read about Calvin and his learning from Augustine and you learn about Spurgeon and his learning from Calvin and many of the great minds before him Through the books that they read.

Well, that's exactly right and The benefit Encouragement about that a little more in a moment. But you get from what God has done in history through the lives of other Christian new world. I'll give an example.

Years ago. I got very interested in the subject It's work in the life of gene because I would read in the Bible about coming forth from the I need I want to see Our Lord's example called the banner of truth.

Oh, yeah trust magazine and About the time I was interested in this subject on the Holy Spirit truth had to bet on the Holy Spirit in the life of Jesus and it was exactly what was I was interested in those two and it opened up a Complete my lord in his bed.

I had never even thought of then I went to Oh expended on it if I had not read other men, right? Amen. Now, let me let me go ahead and add a negative the negative is a Mm-hmm on the internet more than ever many books are dangerous.

Yeah. Yeah, in fact the John MacArthur said something excellent about Joel Osteen's book your best life now.

He said if your best life is now that means you're going to hell. How else. How else for a Christian could he possibly even think that this would be our best life? Because if it is as being MacArthur said it very plainly if this is the best that that it's going to get that means later On you're going to help.

Well, that's that's it. Absolutely, right and many Christians are professing Christians don't see that they should Have about this because they hear about a book about it about it. And so they read it and I think oh, this is great many books it seemed good or not and You know, I think knowledgeable Christians Should use our knowledge of just to talk to people about bad books.

Many times when someone has asked me. Have you read? Your best life now. I'll use it as an opportunity not to be rude. I'll give him a recent example. I saw a truck driver. He was sitting in his truck.

I I Just wanted to go over to his truck and speak to him and witness to him. So I worked up the courage to do that. I walked over to his truck I climbed up on the step and I asked him how he was doing.

I said do you ever get to read on the road or live in. His answer was yeah, listen to Joe single-day opportunity. I Didn't. I didn't become negative. I said, oh, let me tell you about much better Listens to beg as much and I mentioned things for him to read and so my point is excellent because books are They're not enough initially.

They're not offensive. Everybody loves books. So we can use books as great tools if we under yeah, that was an excellent bridge there.

Well, I know that you have. As most Christians do you have your favorite authors that have blessed you throughout your life. And if somebody is especially if somebody is building a library and obviously they want to avoid wasting money on the garbage some of which you just mentioned and They want to make sure that they are stocking those shelves with the ammunition basically that they're gonna need.

To prepare themselves to Not only be further equipped to defend their own faith With those that they happen to encounter in public or even in their own families or their colleagues at work or wherever they may be but they also need to be able to expose the errors of the enemy.

So if you could let these folks know who were Wanting to start this library or this study. In their homes or their offices. What what should they start stocking their shelves with?

Building a Balanced Christian Library

Well, let me just mention some categories first sure because a Christian's reading should be balanced we should not just read devotional books or We should not read just biographies or just theology or just church history.

We need to have various category different categories. So in doctrine important category Commentaries readable commentaries and any Christian that wants to get a commentary on a book of the Bible a commentary is just.

When someone say to understand Romans, he's commenting on the book of Romans. So Commentaries can be valuable right ones because some are very technical. Or they use the Greek readable commentaries New Testament good for pastors.

It's called a let's that commentary. Christians daily devotionals very good to have it along with your Bible Paul David trip and of course these major categories They will for understanding in their in their Christian life.

Just like the Bible is got all different kinds of categories of.

Teaching in there. You've got all different kinds of literature in the Bible you have history you have theology you even have Songs, I mean you have all kinds of things in there.

Yes, that's important. Categories are.

Important have gained knowledge. We're gonna be going to the point. I'm sorry, brother. Go ahead. I was just gonna say we were gonna go to a break right now. So this way we could pick you up. Instead of cutting you off midstream We can pick you up right where we left off there.

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Well, there's a real hunger of Among I think because virtual climate is so dark. All conference Less than well less than two not large like many conferences in is I think information on that is on the website.

True. It's a warm-hearted atmosphere it's loving and Encouraging. Preaching is Pastoral. You will find it a delightful experience and very edifying. So we hope that are coming.

Great and Once again, that website is fellowship conference new england .com Fellowship conference new england .com and we'll be reminding you about that conference every day until The day of the conference or at least close to that day so keep your ears open for more information about that and we hope that you can attend and even if you are not in the Portland main area if you have the financial means to jump in a Plane or an Amtrak we would urge you to get out there and that again is a fellowship conference new england .com Fellowship conference new england .com.

Now, it's up to you pastor Mac. We do have several people Waiting to have questions asked that do you want to finish a point before we do that? Or would you like me to start off with some questions from the listeners?

I'll go ahead and take the listeners questions and then we can move on to other things after the questions.

Okay, great. Let's see here. We have. Well, we have a listener all the way in Scotland listening and It's spelled Kinross Scotland, but usually when I'm speaking to somebody from Scotland or the UK They have a completely different pronunciation for something that looks very easily pronounced phonetically spelt two syllables Kinross, but who knows the way they pronounce it.

But We have Murray. In Kinross Scotland, he's got a couple of questions for you. Could you ask Pastor Mac Tomlinson to advise whether the fellowship conference in New England will be streamed live so that those who live further afield might have the opportunity of Following.

And maybe you'll answer that first because he does have a question about books as well.

Yes, the plan is for their the conference to be live-streamed they go to the or possibly also God-willing and.

Of course Murray. There's also I'm sure an airport near you. Why don't you jump in a plane and fly out to Portland Maine and go to the Congress. But here we have a couple of other questions from Murray.

He asked. Given the proliferation of cults and sects in recent years Would Mac Tomlinson be in a position to recommend a book that maintains? The same standard as Walter Martin's kingdom of the cults, but is more comprehensive in.

Scope Murray, that's a great question. Unfortunately, they did work and that Walter Martin's work was was wonderful 30 years ago at least. Mm-hmm. And so it is not his work would not be.

Well, I can say that I know that the that Walter Martin's kingdom of the cults was updated even after his passing and Entering glory. They did revise that but this is quite providential Murray because on August 24th interviewing Bodie Hodge Who is one of the authors of a brand new book that is hot off the press.

Actually the volume 2 is a brand new book there's two volumes of world religions and cults and We just got into our hands volumes 1 2 and you know something I don't usually do this Murray because Overseas shipping is expensive.

We don't usually don't give our giveaway books To folks overseas, but I am going to get those two books to you somehow Both volume 1 and volume 2 of world religions and cults and Bodie Hodge Works with Ken Ham of answers in Genesis.

So I am very confident even though I have not read These books because I just got them within a day or so. But I I trust Ken Ham a great deal With his discernment and I know that he happens to be theologically a Calvinist just as my guest is and as I am.

So give me your complete mailing address Murray and I will make sure that we get those books off to you. I'm gonna let Murray have one more question here. Is there a definitive modern book? Covering the thorny issues of marriage divorce and remarriage That Mac Tomlinson could suggest.

I lost my Jay Adams book on the subject many years ago and assume it is still out of print.

He has better questions than I can probably answer.

Well, John Murray didn't John Murray write a book on that.

He did write a book. It was a small book. Murray the professor John Murray of Westminster Seminary wrote a small book either marriage and Divorce or may I can mention three books and okay Craig Keener Keeney Hendrickson, but he is a divorce and remarriage Keener Jay Adams book that if any listener were copy.

Wow marriage marriage divorce and remarriage.

Hmm.

So I can hardly recommend these that I've mentioned.

Yes.

And I've failed to mention that our guest even though we did a past interview on it. Our guest today wrote the biography of Conrad mural grace and truth and. Once again, you can get all these books at Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service anything that our guest is mentioning they can get their hands on it and.

Actually, I should say Biography on Conrad Murrow. Oh, it's not. No, but anyone could order it from Conrad. Can contact me? Let me. Before we leave Murray. Thank you for your good questions and a call from Scotland warms my heart.

Because I love Scotland. I've been there. I've traveled there. Scotland has a history That is almost unpersuaded.

In.

Their bars all Scottish. Now, there's a recent books and focus by Tom Lennie. It's called land of many revivals and Tom Lennie has has been a marvelous.

Over 500 pages. Wow. Is he a living author?

Yes, he lived land of many revivals every Major January 7 to 18. Well, if anyone wants to see God's the way tree.

Yeah, and I understand they need another one. They're badly. Very very badly now as we do in America. Yes. Yeah, my pastor currently at Grace Baptist Church in Carlisle, Pennsylvania is in Scotland right now.

His daughter's getting married and within at least a couple of weeks, I believe and he is From. I mean, I can't pronounce it correctly. Probably that's Irish ire, I think and he attended Glasgow University and then he is a graduate also a free Church of Scotland College in Edinburgh and He is traveling right there in Scotland now, but he is my pastor at Grace Baptist Church in Carlisle, Pennsylvania.

I'm very thankful for him. By the way, have you ever been to? Ken Ross where our listener Murray is. Okay, well I'm gonna try to get an interview with Lenny because Christian focus has been Encouraging me to interview their authors and they have sent out books to us from Scotland via there, I guess they're a United States hub and.

And.

We would love to see if we could get an interview arranged on that. Well, thank you so much Murray for those wonderful questions. And as I said get me your full address your full shipping address. So we could get to you those books that you mentioned.

We also have Waiting for his question to be answered. David in Ada, Ohio. His question is should I focus on reading reformed and Calvinistic authors and avoid Dispensational writers. For example, should I read Edwards pink Bettner Sproul MacArthur Spurgeon Calvin and Warfield? versus Dave Hunt Tommy ice Charles Ryrie, etc.

Well, it's interesting David. You might not know this but John MacArthur is a dispensationalist, but he's also Theologically reformed in his soteriology anyway, and he's a he's a wonderful author one of my favorites.

But he is dispensationalist, but but that's interesting that he asked that Pastor Mac because you actually encourage reformed Christians to go beyond the the barriers of our of our reformational heritage to Read other writers from different theological perspectives.

Do you not?

Pastor my heart Chris. Yeah, I Couldn't hear you for a moment. Could you repeat that?

Okay, would you want me to repeat the entire question by David? Can you can you hear me? Yeah, it seems like we're having some kind of phone problem. Can you hear me now?

I think I got the question, but I didn't hear the end of what you asked me. Oh.

Well, I remember That you had said I can't even remember if it was a personal Conversation off the air or if it was on the air, but you said That you think that reformed Christians should also investigate Reading the the writings of some great men of God who were not theologically reformed and Calvinistic.

Absolutely, I do believe in reading. Personally only Calvinistic in my theology. I do not only read now.

In fact he wrote a biography of Leonard Bravenhill and he will and he was not a Calvinist. He is now. He is now, of course.

No, I think there's a. I think if we only read Authors our theology. I think we we miss that on the benefits other authors for instance. Anyone who is interested in a high view of God true worship? They should read a W tozer.

But a W tozer was not right. Yeah Christian Missionary Alliance was his denomination or books on prayer.

You can't go wrong in reading him bounds. Mm-hmm. I think we you mentioned dispensation list.

I mean, I don't know if he would want to have on the top of his reading list Some of the men that he listed though. He listed David Hunt and Tommy ice and Charles Ryrie. Tommy ice is predominantly going to be writing exclusively about eschatology and David Hunt, although he is in heaven now and knows better.

He had some dubious writings in fact. He even later in his life developed the notion that if you came to Christ underneath a Calvinistic Ministry you are not saved. He became he began to hate Calvinism so much in his later years and and it's such it's a shame because his middle name is is Charles Spurgeon, it's Dave Charles Spurgeon hunt.

But.

He had a vehement hatred of of Calvinistic theology and Charles Ryrie, of course some of his writings. Didn't they lend towards the easy believers in camp and in opposition to Lordship salvation.

Exactly. True. They did. My personal opinion is The unity to the Bible. Wow.

It's destructive, but wouldn't you say. John MacArthur even though he is a dispensationalist seems to have overcome that because most of his right.

Right. I totally agree with that. He has overcome that I think in my opinion is He's only. Consistently, right, right.

Yeah, and so I mean he is one of my favorite of all time authors and still is and One of my favorite of all time preachers as well.

Yes, I can echo that as well in preaching. That I don't agree with dispensationalism.

Right I.

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Pastor glass is a thoroughgoing five-point Calvinist and the bulk of his preaching would be on Soteriological issues and things like that would not be weighted down With end time scenarios or anything like that.

But that there I've said my speech in defense of some of my Calvinistic heroes here.

We have a.

Are we having some sound problems there pastor Mac because it seems like there's a delay or something and well.

There may be. I'm doing my best. So I'm on track with you. Okay, hear me. Well.

Yes, and Let's go to one more question from a listener and then we'll move on to some of our other Topics from your Categories here of the best in books Tyler and Mastic Beach, Long Island, New York. Why do you think the church in America particularly is so anti-intellectual?

How do I answer those who lay the burden down on me for reading good solid doctrinal volumes?

Well, I mean, I think they're we're in an age where there's an attitude of I Don't know. In one sense in Anti-intellectualism many don't see connection. The truth has to come to the mind. I understand his question, right?

I.

Think those who do see the value of reading by family by Friends even by church, they're going to be can make them see and appreciate. You know the value from quality books.

Yeah, like we've said before.

When.

People tell you that you should only be reading the Bible and you shouldn't be wasting your time reading books. The very words coming out of their mouth are not in Scripture so they are acting as a teacher using their own thoughts and Giving you bad information because that that is not from the Bible what they told you to do.

And and the anti intellectual thing I don't know if you could broad brush America as necessarily being anti intellectual but probably the when you say that the the largest most heavily populated groups of people who profess to be Christian are not Stressing the intellectual end of the faith because that is just typically a Sign of you know, what's been going on for centuries that men? Want something that saves their conscience and makes them happy rather than the whole counsel of God, which is not always Not always pleasant to the ears.

I mean, I don't know have any other explanation. Do you have any Clue on that. Are you hearing me Mac? I'm sorry. There seems to be a real big delay here.

Yes, yes.

Okay.

My reply would be the professing if that's a broad term. There's matic Professing Christian denominations and I think about that question. I Think many Christians are experience based They or theology.

They think it's boring they think it's unimportant they make no connection others. They live in a culture of ignorance. About what's what's out there and what's available in terms of Christ? I did be told in South Africa by a diamond mind and Children were playing marbles with diamonds.

I've walked in the People have no clue what the difference because they're satisfied with the shallow Christian experience they're satisfied with shallow knowledge and so they can go to church on Sunday and Here at 20 minutes and they go away saying well that was really we live in and that can and they can.

Give an example. There's a with a large company. That's one day I gave him a young couple to China with the China in one about two years into being in China the Communist they were martyred. Hmm. She was not found.

But John and Betty Stan they were martyred. They were they died together. The story.

You know where the stands were from originally.

They were from. Pretty sure they were from.

Pennsylvania, that's what I think. That's a it's amazing that you said that because This that is obviously an old family name right in this town that I'm in now Carlisle, Pennsylvania. Because there is several businesses with that name STAMM, right?

I'm not sure that the exact spelling but I do know the daughter who survived.

Mm-hmm. I would be very Interested to find out if they were from this very area where this was a several businesses named STAMM including an excellent fried chicken Restaurant. I've got to go in there and find out.

Well, my point of bringing up that book is I gave that small book. You can anyone can find the life of John and Betty Stan easily. Only. It's a small book and I gave it to this. So ministered to him to see their love and their sacrifice.