March 10, 2022 Show with Paul Abbott on “Rescuing Lost Souls from Damnation & the Lives of Infants from the Slaughter Mill in Reynosa, Mexico”

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I highly value.

That is Dr. Joseph C. Moorcraft III, well -known in

reform circles as an author and a pastor at Heritage

Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia, and

he told me that I've got to get Paul Abbott on the program, who is a Reformed

Baptist evangelist and founder of Our Goodly Heritage Ministries.

Today we're going to be addressing Rescuing Lost Souls from Damnation and the Lives of Infants from

the Slaughter Mill in Reynosa, Mexico, near the McAllen, Texas border.

It's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Paul

Abbott.

Good afternoon.

It's great to have you on, brother, and tell us about Our Goodly Heritage.

Everyone that works

on what

the Bible says.

Well, I want to give our listeners your website, and hopefully I'll remember to repeat it later as well, but it's

OurGoodlyHeritage .com, and that's goodly, not godly, although it is godly.

It's OurGoodlyHeritage .com.

While I'm at it, I'd like to give you the website of my dear friend,

Dr. Joseph C. Moorcraft III, who, as I said just moments ago,

pastors Heritage Presbyterian Church in Cumming, Georgia.

That's HeritagePresbyterianChurch .com, HeritagePresbyterianChurch

.com, and I look forward to my next visit from Dr. Moorcraft on this program as well.

Well, we have a custom here, a tradition, on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio whenever we have a first

-time guest, we have that guest give a summary of their salvation testimony.

That would include the upbringing that they had, something about the

religious atmosphere, if any, in their upbringing, and what kind of providential circumstances our

sovereign Lord raised up in their lives that drew them to himself and saved them.

And we'd like to hear your story.

And by the way, I'd like to just add, because there were a couple of moments when you seemed to drift away from your

phone or your microphone, please make sure your mouth is near the mouthpiece of

whatever you're using at all times because there were considerable dips in your volume for a

couple of times when you were just speaking.

So just keep that in mind, brother.

All right.

As the Lord would have it, I was actually adopted from birth.

I was able to reconnect

yet, but

she knows that I

exist.

The Lord had me adopted into a home in southern 68,

so a

generation appeared in a different type of home than my

playmates and my friends being much younger and a different mindset.

So the Lord, again, had me in a home that was stable.

My parents were married until they were 50 years.

And I grew up, oddly enough,

and what that did for

me, it made sense.

They did not have the gospel.

They also used a Bible.

They did use the Bible, even though their doctrine was wrong.

And so that kept me going a certain way.

I was pretty dedicated to that until I went to high school.

I ended up in.

I had a very, and they kept me.

I did not know much about the gospel.

I had made an eighth grade, actually, and a

seventh grade.

Very little.

On that

day, I understand

that

there was

some very

vast biblical

differences and that I was indeed being taught things that were not in script.

Some of the church leaders and my family, and for the first year, I was tracked down by many families.

They had been at this university.

In fact, you mentioned Dr. Morecraft.

I'll just throw this in there.

If you are any type of a preacher, pastor, missionary, evangelist, the first question he'll ask you is,

tell me about your call to preach.

I was on a gospel ride, a Baptist ride.

So to

generate, I

believe,

the

Lord

finally.

And I was in.

He does say the goodness of God leads me to repentance.

He taught doctrines, and right at the moment when he saved me, all made

sense with that.

Well, praise God for that.

It takes some folks years of grappling before those precious doctrines

sink in by God's grace and mercy and are lovingly embraced.

It didn't take me years.

I became a believer, and I had an Arminian mindset, although I didn't even know what

an Arminian or a Calvinist was.

But within a month of being born again, after

fighting what I was hearing under the label Calvinism, I finally came to

wave the white flag and embrace those wonderful teachings.

First, reluctantly and unhappily acknowledging that they were true,

but I was nonetheless not happy about that.

But then, I would say in about a month, I just fell in love with those precious teachings, largely

due to somebody giving me, of course, God using this, because it is God

who saves.

But somebody, a dear friend, gave me George Whitfield's Letter to John Wesley and Election,

a Chapel Library publication, and I read that, and the Lord really

opened my eyes to those glorious truths known as the doctrines of sovereign grace and Reformed theology and

Calvinism.

Yes, absolutely, and I would say the same with me,

is that not

just studying

Calvinism, but the more I studied

the arguments against it, I could not find enough logic and enough Bible to

back up their claims, and so I began to study further, and it was like you, I

got to the place where I had to surrender, and I had many influences coming from

different directions, different ministries, and finally, I believe, if there was a book that finally put me over the

edge, it would have been A .W. Fink's The Sovereignty of God.

Yes.

It didn't take much of the book at all.

I knew, while I was reading the beginning of the book, I knew I already agreed with him.

I pretended not to agree with him, but I could still read the book and be mad about it,

but it is a great surrender, and it changes everything about the ministry.

We have spent thousands of hours

putting all the

vertidology, and all the while

not understanding that salvation is of the Lord.

And that takes everything off of us.

Yes, we're to be obedient.

Yes, we are.

When we come to a place...

Amen.

And just to clarify something about my own coming to understand

and embrace Reformed theology, it was not George

Whitefield that convinced me.

It was George Whitefield's biblical evidence.

He had so much scripture to overcome John Wesley's

objections that it was used of God to convince me.

And a lot of anti -Calvinists will say that the Bible would never convince anyone

of the doctrines of grace, and that it can only come through some

deceitful man using his own words and so on.

Well, I didn't even know at that time who George Whitefield was.

The booklet I was reading, I didn't know who Whitefield was.

I didn't know who John Wesley was.

I didn't know who John Calvin was, and I didn't know who Charles Spurgeon was.

But it was the biblical evidence that Whitefield used that made me bow the knee to the truths, and as I

said, instinctively, it was something that shocked

me and depressed me, acknowledging that it was true.

But then I fell in love with him.

Head over heels.

Well, yes.

And so

when I've

helped

some other pastors,

and the

Lord's allowed

this to

happen, it's just a blessing.

But when I've been able to help younger men with this doctrine,

with the terminology,

when you understand...

That's the very first thing I tell them.

And then I tell them, go back, start reading the scriptures.

You start looking at who does the choosing.

Finding out who's the worst cause.

Who's creating the event?

Many times now, and

suddenly you begin to read for someone else.

In fact, I know two pastors who came to the doctrines of grace

through reading A .W. Pink's book, and they both had, as a part of their

testimony, that when they were midway through The Sovereignty of

God by A .W. Pink, they threw the book across the room, and then

curiosity later got the better of them, and they crawled underneath their beds to

retrieve the book and finish it.

It was like two different people had the same story.

And they finally surrendered to the truth that is in there.

And what glorious truths...

I was going to say, when you have Dr. Moorcraft on next time, ask him about A .W. Pink, because he is

another one that that book also put him over the top.

Oh, really?

Yeah, for some reason I don't recall that as a part of his story, but I'm looking forward to having him remind

us of that.

Yeah, that's great news.

I really appreciate how Dr. Moorcraft, although being a staunch Presbyterian,

has a great love for us Reformed Baptists, and even has you fill his pulpit on occasion, does he

not?

Oh, yes, I've been teaching him to

come and

preach.

Well, he said that I must

have you on to discuss the recent events that in fact Heritage

Presbyterian Church of Cumming, Georgia actually helped to fund this event,

where you went to Reynosa, Mexico, just near the McAllen, Texas

border to evangelize.

And tell us about why, first of all, you had a heart burdened to reach

those folks there in Reynosa.

Well, let me tell you, I came

home from the airport, I'd been preaching or been out of town, and I got a phone call that evening from Dr.

Moorcraft.

We do speak regularly, but it was an odd time for him to be calling, and I just had a feeling he had something he

wanted to talk about.

And he asked me what I knew for migrant situation

on the Mexican -American borders, whether that would be Metamoros, Reynosa,

Juarez, Tijuana.

He wanted to know if I knew something about that, I said I did.

He asked me if I spoke Spanish, and I said no, I don't.

Just a few words, but nothing usable.

And he said, I'm burdened.

And with tears, he said, I'm burdened for

the thousands of souls that are mounted up there that need to hear the gospel.

In his words, a little bit, not

so complimentary, I guess, but he said, when I think of sending someone there with the gospel,

he thought of me, is what he said.

And he wanted to know if I would go and bring the gospel to that place.

And so the very first thing I told him was, Dr. Moorcraft, I said, this is actually an answer to prayer.

I said, over 20 years ago, I had thought about these things, and I thought, wouldn't it be

nice if we had a team that was sort of on the ready, that within 30 days,

if we needed to mobilize,

because you have a captive

audience.

You have people there that aren't distracted by the Internet and by television and all these different things.

And I thought, wouldn't that be amazing to go

in there with a

situation,

how easy it would be to be able to go to the border, that type of thing.

And that's all I really needed to know.

I talked to my family about it.

I called my very good

friend to bring

along.

We had to have men.

We had to have men.

Kidnapping was not fearful.

So Pastor Graves and I, his son, my son, immediately, the

very next day, and I said, we are ready to go.

He said, danger and all that.

That's what's all

said and done.

Our plan is to bring the Gospel.

And so we initially thought we were going to go to Metamoros,

but things in Mexico moved very quickly, and many of the camps had

made good contact, and I

was able to engage Alfonso, a wonderful man

in Mexico.

He was ordained at Christ the King.

We contacted him.

It was amazing that he immediately thought this was a great idea,

bringing the Gospel to the camps, whatever camps we could find, and just spend as much time

as we believed that

without working out there, because of the danger for

that, immediately he knew he would

be our interpreter in the

library there in

Pensacola, Florida.

They gave us thousands of tracks.

I handpicked the tracks.

I went through the tracks specifically looking for

information

from them.

So we had portable speakers,

sound systems, amplifiers.

Everything

we needed.

We had a restating we

didn't have to worry

about.

There's an Airbnb over the border.

So we had that.

So we planned on going for one week.

Bon

Bonda

is

McCallum, much behind

his needs.

So we met on

the Monday night of

the 26th

of Mexico every morning.

I had my son, Paul, read us a psalm of victory.

Take Mexico or anywhere else, that they'll be put under his feet, and that we had promises

of prayer

with that daily at

that camp.

There we had, when we

got there, the water was,

we've been there almost a year.

There were several hundred baggies that Pastor Graves' church has assembled.

You give out those bags, and you see half a dozen people.

So they understood that we didn't need anything from them.

We came to bring them something.

During

the week, as the weather got cold,

in blankets, Chris, you'd have thought we were giving them diamond rings.

The blankets.

Wow.

I worked with homeless

for years.

And get simple items if

they need them in the different churches and the different programs.

But in these places, there is almost no relief.

So whether it's just something like a blanket or the socks, it was just amazing.

Just add it to their pile for the most part.

These are things that they needed.

And so we were able to bring that to them and

some individuals.

We even make a little bit of friends on Facebook with some.

Some of these stories, I'll just tell you, some of these represent so

much of what goes on.

There is a family there, right now I'm thinking of, that they live in El Salvador.

Now they're in this camp with nothing.

We became friends on Facebook, and I saw their life on Facebook.

I could see how they lived.

They had cars.

They had houses.

They had a life in El Salvador.

And I asked them, I said, why are you here?

And they told me the story, and I watched all the family members as the man told me the story by way

of interpreter, and I could see by the looks on the family they were reliving this story.

And the story goes something like this.

This man was a professional clown in El Salvador.

As funny as that is, but he was.

He was a professional clown.

When COVID came, it shut his clown business down.

They couldn't have parties.

You couldn't have.

They started a restaurant -type

business there in El Salvador, and it got very successful right away.

And the cartel, I don't know if they paid them any money,

and the cartel wanted their money.

So this man was kidnapped by the cartel, which is a story we've heard many times now.

He was kidnapped for seven days.

I've met his family.

There's several different children and grown children.

Brother, are you there?

You keep ducking away.

Yeah, I'm sorry.

They told him, and they go

to a certain school, and they told him the name of the school.

They told him the name of the girls, and they said, if you don't pay us the money, we're going to bring them here and

abuse them and kill them right here in front of you.

So they let him go after seven days, and he and his wife went out, began to sell most

everything they had, and they gave money to the cartel, enough where they'd leave them alone.

And then they took the rest that they had, and they fled for their life.

And they left El Salvador.

So I asked them, well, why don't you go back to El Salvador?

And they said, we can't go back.

We go back.

The cartel runs everything.

They are all over the country.

They said we fear for our life.

And so we're trying to tell our story and go into Houston, Texas, and start a new

life there, start a business there, and work, and very much people of integrity

and people that have ambition.

And so that's their story, and there's many others that have stories.

Now, while we were in Reynosa, while we were preaching and witnessing in all these different places, we

also went to a shopping area every evening or late afternoon.

People could walk by just a short amount of time and

do not even stay there and just preach.

In fact, can you pick up on the shopping center when we come back from our first break?

We'll do it.

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Goodly Heritage, with more of his theme today, Rescuing Lost Souls from Damnation

and the Lives of Infants from the Slaughter Mill in Reynosa, Mexico, near the McAllen, Texas border.

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This is Chris Arnzen.

If you just tuned us in, our guest for the entire two hours today is Paul Abbott, a Reformed Baptist

evangelist and founder of Our Goodly Heritage.

We are discussing Rescuing Lost Souls from Damnation and the Lives of Infants from the Slaughter Mill in

Reynosa, Mexico near the McAllen, Texas border.

And if you have a question, send it to chrisarnzen at gmail .com.

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Give us your first name at least, city and state of residence, and country of residence.

Only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.

And right before the break, you were talking about a more populated area where you were going to be

doing some evangelism.

Yes.

So in Reynosa, let me just clarify.

I didn't make a misstep here earlier.

The church in Reynosa, Iglesia del Rey in Reynosa, which is

in McAllen,

in fact, I heard I heard Gary DeMar's name mentioned in the commercial, and Gary DeMar just spoke recently

there at the Church of the Most High in McAllen.

So they have some connections there.

So Reynosa has,

besides these strip malls, hundreds of people walk through there, and

usually about a thousand people will get there within, I don't know, 30 minutes, perhaps an hour.

There'll be a lot of people that go back and forth through that shopping area.

It's very long.

I'm not sure how long the shopping area is.

It might be a sixth of a mile.

I'm not sure, but very long.

And so we walked through there and took segment by segment.

Every time we got to like an alley or a little driveway, we'd stop and preach.

And people took our, is because they took our literature, they wanted

the tracts, they stopped their cars to get the literature from us.

And someone told me they, they, it could be one reason is because they sense

that the Charismatics and the Roman Catholics want something from them.

We wanted nothing.

We just wanted to be able to give them the gospel.

We wanted to be able to give the folks at the camp some type of relief.

And in the shopping area, we were there several times.

And finally on the very last day, before Sunday, the very last day that we were able to minister,

our wonderful, and did not go on, he was

about spent, and so I said, well, let's go back to the shopping area and we'll pass out some

more literature because again, there's hundreds and hundreds of people walking by.

And then when we got there, I suited up, ready to preach.

And I told him, I said, don't worry about the

interpreter.

And so that's what we did in

Sicily.

And there are some people that understand English because they stopped and told us, does this man know he's preaching in English?

We said, yes, he does.

So we went in to preach anyway and got to finish out our time there.

There were other,

but by permission,

when

we

got back

to the large camp where we had been ministering, the truck pulled off and went a different direction.

Now, I don't know what they were looking for.

We had California plates.

Perhaps they thought we were a rival gang or maybe fed or something like that.

But that's the only real connection we had with the cartel.

The police did not give us any problems at all.

But to show you what happens when the gospel comes, things had been pretty quiet in Rinosa for about,

but after we got there and began to minister, every night it seems like something happened.

One night we were told, it was reported to us, that 10 people were killed in Rinosa.

We were also told that two different law enforcement men

or the perhaps National Guardsmen were kidnapped to

the camp one morning.

They showed the casing.

We never got to be subjected to that, but there was much violence going on, even

as much as a small little town outside of Rinosa, where it was reported to us that the

cartel set large trailers on fire to

the town.

So just amazing violence and lawlessness that happens there.

Of course, you see SWAT teams driving around and that type of thing.

But the gospel was not deterred in any way.

The Lord protected us.

We were bathed and prayed in the country for this trip, that we would have

discernment on the ground, that we would make good decisions on the fly.

We told our team, we said, if you have an idea or if you have a trepidation about something, please share it.

Just tell us the idea or tell us what you're thinking just in case.

We don't want to make a mistake.

So people had the freedom to do that.

And again, we had people,

we got to give the gospel to them.

As an aside to that, Chris, in McAllen, Texas, there is an

abortion mill there.

The mill that's there in McAllen is a part of a network of other mills in Texas.

Because of some of the...

and caused great confusion because the only way to stop murder is to outlaw murder.

Right.

Abortion

mill and they will give you a free...

We knew that the camps would be...

We went to the abortion mill and preached outside the abortion mill, sang outside

the abortion...

We sang all week.

We sang at the camp.

We sang at the abortion...

We bring our psalters and we sing the psalms.

And so we were able to minister at the abortion mill as well.

And then of course we got to do that.

Now that Sunday in Reynosa, Pastor Alban Banda again go

and minister the psalms to his people there at the Iglesia

del Rey in Reynosa to be able to preach the gospel to

his congregation there.

And then finally we

said our goodbyes on the 27th of February and then the next

day...

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near the McAllen Texas border.

Chrisarnson at gmail .com chrisarnson at gmail .com well brother Paul before we

take any of the listener questions that we have so far I'd like to

ask you about what you commonly encounter when you are

evangelizing particularly what you encountered during your recent trip in

Mexico.

Are you typically encountering a die -hard Catholic because we know that

Mexico is dominated by that religion but also we know that there are many people

globally who may have some kind of a nominal affiliation with Catholicism but they are really

not truly religious people who actually believe in the

teachings of the Catholic Church.

Many of them are perhaps even agnostic or atheist.

What do you typically encounter.

Are these people Catholic.

Are they atheist.

Are they people of other religious groups.

Tell us your.

Experience what we understood while we were there on this trip

many of the Central Americans that come up while they did have Catholic

influence in their life.

I believe many of them had been in some way hurt by the Roman Catholic Church or

disillusion.

Sometimes the very wild charismatic groups in Central America and South

America also influence them away from Roman Catholicism.

Now you have one error going to another error but it does change their mindset a little

bit and relieves them Roman Catholic

and we pay no mind to that.

We preach the gospel to them.

We preach the gospel literally to right to them as we preach to the crowd as they sat.

But we did preach that there was only one

meeting between God and man and that is the man Christ Jesus.

We preached against the veneration of relics and and statues and praying

in in our gospel at

odds and idols.

So we didn't have Roman Catholic influence there.

Now Mexico itself you do have much more Roman

Catholic influence still especially in the area.

In the towns and the United States you'll still have Roman Catholic neighborhoods that are

very strict in their Roman Catholicism and the priests will give them statues to put on their lawns as

a way they call evangelicals from coming and bothering them.

And now while we were in Reynosa though what we encountered

signs

and wonders.

On

Saturday he was

talking about healings and this type of thing frenzy.

When we pulled up and got out of our vehicle he was known to have said in Spanish.

I immediately suited up got our microphones ready in just a few moments

began to preach the gospel.

And not just preach the gospel but also pre

-prophets their false teaching.

I began to attack.

They brought a horn out there.

They believe that that will spirit in the

Holy Spirit moved into doing something by blowing of the horn.

So I preached against all of that nonsense and it is

interesting to frenzy.

But while we were preaching after so long I don't know how long 10 -15 minutes or something

said we have to go and they packed up and let can you

repeat what they were saying.

About something satanic.

Can you.

Can you repeat that.

Yes.

So when we arrive he's.

Of the devil.

Are he so.

And he said that he said that to the audience he announced it.

Or just to you.

Yes to the audience he put.

The sons of the devil had come because he had already gotten word that we had been there preaching the gospel of Christ.

Wow.

Without all this nonsense

but we've come with the free offer of the gospel and letting the Lord do the work in heart.

And so he was very much angered our presence there and he let the people

know that well.

That's quite an eerie confrontation but thanks be to God through his sovereignty

and Providence they for some reason had the notion to pack up and get out of.

Dodge reminded us

of the spiritual warfare that's going on there between the Roman Catholics between these type of

charismatic group that they have so much

these people whether it's superstition or telling them they

must speak in some unknown tongue that they would know the Lord or whatever it might be we've

come with the gospel.

We believe the Bible says that the gospel is salvation.

And that's what we preached over and over again and pleading with the people.

That's a reminder to many of you who might be listening who don't understand the concept of going to a place

like this.

They're just as depraved as the United States.

They're just as depraved their depravity runs deep everywhere.

And to remind you of that even though you have people that don't have anything

that are hurting that are hungry that don't have a home that are that have some hope in it

in a nation they're trying to get to even with all of that when you confront

them with their sin truth of the gospel unless the arm of the Lord is

revealed to them even in all their hurting and anguish they're not going to just turn to the

Lord so that that's a good reminder to us how much we've messed this thing up because

see Chris we could have got with the hundreds of them to sit down with

us and shook their hand and told

them you're saved and walked on.

And we would have so much confused this thing and made two full childs of hell when we knew it was

the Lord that needed to do the work.

It was the Lord that as they read the tracts as they read the Bibles it was the Lord who would have to open their

eyes.

It would be the Lord that would draw them so they could come to us and ask us questions and seek

out more information.

And we were there long enough where there were some good gospel conversations.

There were many that listened intently many times and so.

We trust that sowing of the seed with the Lord.

Yeah that's powerful stuff.

We have an anonymous listener who has a question for you.

The anonymous listener says.

I am a political conservative and I'm very much opposed to illegal

immigration into the United States.

However I am saddened by many of my friends who are

also politically conservative and against illegal immigration but they do not have a

heart for these people at all.

They are even professing Christians and some of them even professing to believe in the doctrines of sovereign grace

but it appear it appears that they have nothing but hatred towards these

people.

Isn't it true that although we should at the same time want people to be law -abiding

individuals we should always have a heart for evangelism and seek to want to

bring the lost to salvation.

If you could comment on this phenomenon that I think is more rampant in the church than we.

Even realize.

Well let's work backwards from

this.

These are people

who.

Yeah.

These are not predominantly Mexicans these are other people in South

America perhaps Central America and even other areas who are seeking to gain

entrance into the United States through the Mexican border but are attempting to do.

So in a legal manner yes so let me just start with that.

So that is that and that would not matter here no there whether or not we give them the gospel.

But that is the groups that we went to because we knew they were there we knew there were large amounts of

them there.

Now as far as the other concept of what we would call an illegal

immigrant let me just start with this idea.

There are people

happened as many of those people but then there's others Chris that

don't make it.

They die there in

wilderness you or sometimes frozen to death.

And then another point of this matter is Christian people

or even perhaps that we call humanitarian groups that are not.

They will go

to the they will find

her day they'll bring

him people that this anonymous

message who

actually gone to court and my understanding is

the court were found not guilty of breaking the law.

We have some very be

with us by giving a cup of water in Jesus name.

So the love our neighbor the love our neighbor clause out of things when

it comes to the humanity of love and save people out to go

just a step further we have to also understand that that we're all

of course many of the folks that are discussing law

-abiding eat on the way to work.

Everyone perhaps don't wear seat belt all the time that's also supposed to be law -abiding.

But these people who are coming over it suddenly becomes something less than

you come to the order not give them the gospel

or we should not help them in any way.

It's

interesting

because came

in.

I want

to talk

about the

rule

of law I think what it says I love the Lord but I die with all my heart then we see but love thy neighbor.

I think somewhere in there we have to realize that these people need the gospel

supposedly

very

issue

activists and we should be

active.

But our job is to be Christians.

So love and to show and but I

could show you this

came out of these

tanks that was very

untrustful

coffee.

They're coming

here and they're not bringing their best.

They're not sending interesting because the people I

met that had John and I thought wow I don't know what the

best is supposed to be want to come here and work.

They wanted to do well praise

God.

For that we also have

a message somebody who you know very well who you mentioned earlier on in

this program max graves who has written a note.

Thank you for inviting brother Paul Abbott to tell this incredible story.

It was one of the highlights of my life and ministry to accompany him along with my son max

the third who is 18 years old.

On this trip we were privileged to be able to preach the gospel on the streets probably

30 to 40 times during our trip.

We look forward to opportunities in the future should the Lord so orchestrate and to join the team

again to proclaim the glorious gospel of Jesus Christ to those in need.

Your servant for Christ's sake.

Pastor max graves of Liberty Baptist Church in Norwalk

California.

And I urge you to look up that website and if max

graves here is hearing me right now please send us your email address so I can announce the

the.

I'm sorry and give me your website address so I can announce it.

In fact do you have it.

Paul do you have the website for Liberty.

Baptist Church in Norwalk California.

Not in my mind just to quote it to you.

In fact

I'll say

this.

You're in

man now.

The back.

We also

leave

the Liberty

right across

the street.

A small

street.

What they can to help you while you're pregnant.

Do.

What they can to help you after you have the baby.

That child.

They will do whatever it takes to help Liberty Baptist Church.

And then they have volunteers who on

the gospel.

Amen.

Roman Catholics cannot come and volunteer.

We do.

That's not allowed.

It has to be a church.

They want to help.

They'll take them through a training program to make sure they understand the gospel.

Biblical gospel.

And it's amazing.

It's amazing.

I've been there many times.

God has allowed me to spend time with them.

And so yes off the cuff here

the gospel response team.

And we are

praying local church in country if we can in Mexico first.

So there's someone we're gonna know that.

Just say we will sign off on what you're doing.

We agree with it.

Perhaps provide it in with us.

We want.

We want to be able to leave our dear friend Albon bond doesn't there in Reynosa.

The part of what we acting on

track.

So we're hoping for the same type.

Of well pastor graves sent me the website

of the church where he is the pastor.

That's Liberty Baptist Church in in Norwalk

California and that website is LBC family

church.

LB as in Baptist see family church.

So if anybody out there lives near Norwalk California you have friends family and loved ones

in or near Norwalk California or you're visiting that area please look up Liberty Baptist

Church in Norwalk California.

LBC family church.

Now what you just said about their outreach

to women who perhaps were originally

attending to murder their their unborn child.

Or perhaps they never did intend that but are looking for an alternative such as adoption or what have you.

I'm so glad that they have this rule that only Bible believing

Christians can be involved in that ministry.

It reminded me immediately of my my friend dr. James R white of Alpha Omega ministries who

has for years been involved in outdoor evangelism.

In addition to all the other things he does like debates and writing books

and teaching at seminaries and teaching at Bible conferences he has been

approached especially during outdoor evangelism for instance

evangelizing Mormons in either Utah or the

areas in Arizona where they are there's a heavy population of Mormons or

wherever he may be he has been approached by people who have said can we join you in handing

out tracks.

And his first question is always what church are you a member of.

And if they say well not a member of any church he will say no.

I'm sorry you can't participate with us.

He insists that someone is a member in good standing of a Bible believing church

for them to even hand out tracks with him.

Amen.

And we also have a listener

we we have Arnie in Perry County Pennsylvania who asks have you

ever heard of one of these drug cartel criminals receiving

and rejoicing in a new birth in Jesus Christ during any evangelism efforts

in those areas.

I heard quite a while ago on Chris Arnson's show pastor Jeremy

Volo who at the time was pastoring in Laredo Texas where two

MS -13 gang members became Christians.

And I remember that.

Well

as well.

Arnie.

Anything that

you

know of

brother.

Amen.

And in fact

what.

Made that story even more interesting because I clearly remember pastor Jeremy's

recounting of it is that you had an initial gang member of MS -13

get saved and the gang wanted proof that he was

not lying about this conversion because for some reason they were willing to give

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In any way if he was truly converting to Christianity and doing this for a

religious reason.

Not that the gang themselves are evangelical born again believers obviously but they at

least had some sort of respect for that.

And one of the men that would visit this church in Laredo Texas to keep his

eye on what was going on with the other former gang member he heard the gospel and got saved

so praise God for that.

We're going through our final break right now.

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And we are now back with our final segment with our guest today

Paul Abbott who is a Reformed Baptist evangelist and

founder of our goodly heritage.

We are discussing a recent trip of his to evangelize the people on

the border of Mexico and Texas.

And if you have a question send it immediately at Chris Ornson at gmail .com because they're rapidly running out

of time.

And we have Bobby in Hartsdale New York who has a question for you.

What advice could you give those of us who desire to evangelize in such areas

that would include some do's and don'ts.

I know that there is probably not a cookie -cutter way of doing this but I would still like some

bullet points that I could share with others that we could prepare for such a trip.

I understand the question right.

Is this.

Is that the question I assume or just evangelism in general in

an area that would be I guess out of your own familiarity and comfort.

Zone.

Yes to understand that salvation is of the Lord.

And if you're pointing in there attempting to make people

believe

like almost by manipulation or force which was what many of us did for years that's

the wrong angle.

We come with the gospel get good literature to help but

you want to give a clear the

entrance to the gospel as far as someone to understand their condition their loss.

They're standing before God and then do all you can but at some

point what you've given

them

you sure

that

you've

done with

you.

The Lord

open.

Still may

not allow the gospel be preached.

There are some reformed churches even Chris they don't really want the gospel preached in the pulpit.

They believe it's not for the congregation.

Sidewalks.

Nation.

Dozens of abortion mills around the country present the

truth of life.

Verse me quite often for tomorrow's her

birthday celebrating 28 years of

marriage.

Or they've been able to travel much of the years on the road as

I'm on the road by

myself.

History.

They see ugly.

Abortion is now if you.

Could clarify what you were just talking about as far as reformed churches that don't want reformed

teaching in the pulpit is that a phenomenon.

Repeated there are men who are Dr. Joe more credit

but there are some of these men that

we would call a gospel message in their pulpit

of it actually told not their job that basically they need to get

that number.

Just very unusual very.

Strange in other words is they look at the sacred desk is only for

intellectual edification.

Instruction is that what you mean.

Gary Gary North said that the average seminary student is just taught to give a lecture in the pulpit.

It is not an intellectual exercise it is the.

Preaching of the Word of God.

Amen amen.

Yeah that that is really a tragedy.

I've had similar conversations with folks like that

much to my dismay having lunch or something meeting with a

pastor that I've never met before who is a member of a Presbyterian Church or

other church that claims to be reformed and I asked them what is

their manner of preaching and their subjects and so on.

I have heard on a couple occasions oh I'm just there to edify and encourage and

instruct the Saints.

I'm not there to evangelize the lost.

That's for our people to go out.

And when they evangelize people that they work with or people in their family over the dinner table or their neighbors

that's their job.

We don't do that from the pulpit here.

And I'm just blown away because they're wrongly assuming that every single person sitting in that

pew even if they've been members for 30 years that they're regenerate.

Exactly.

Let me.

Just fix the story I told in just a moment.

We have left so in Mexico pastor alban

bond

up his brother

or cartel member his

brother that brought the.

Gospel to him.

Well hallelujah praise God for that.

Well I'd like you to have three minutes to summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and

minds of our listeners today before they leave this program.

I just want to leave you with.

The idea that Bible says that salvation is of the Lord and

that we must trust him to do the work in the hearts of lost men.

We preach the gospel we teach the gospel we witness.

And then we must leave it with him and not try to force the issue not try to manipulate or use

sales tactics.

That is one thing I would leave you with.

The second is this.

You can serve the Lord anywhere you are your community your neighbors your loved ones your

rest homes the jails.

Though anywhere you live there's people there.

You can minister to show the love of Christ show hospitality and bring the gospel to

those families in your area.

Our website www .ourgoodlyheritage .com.

There's a place on there.

Be happy to answer any questions any follow -up.

You can email me through our goodly heritage .com.

I'd be happy to give any advice or counsel at all that someone.

Might need praise God thank you for that and that all came through loud and clear.

Thank you so much for being a superb guest today.

I look forward to your frequent returns to iron sharpens iron radio.

Before we go I just want to remind all men in ministry leadership that I

am having my next iron sharpens iron radio free pastors luncheon on

Thursday April 7th 11 a .m. to 2 p .m. at Church of the Living Christ

in Loisville Pennsylvania about 20 minutes from Carlisle Pennsylvania where I am

sitting.

And it's featuring our guest speaker Daniel P Buttafuoco attorney at law who is the founder and

president of the Historical Bible Society who will be giving a lecture on how we received

our Bible from the original languages into English.

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historic significance on display there including a first edition

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I want to thank everybody who listened today especially those who took the time to write in and I want you

all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far far greater

Savior than you are a sinner.