G1 Conference Session 3: Dr. Dan Biddle "Testing the Theory of Human Evolution"
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Dr. Dan Biddle shares "Testing the Theory of Human Evolution" at the G1 Conference (Session #3) held by Genesis Apologetics. Watch the full conference here (free): www.g1conference.com
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- Good evening. Thank you for coming again tonight. My name is dr. Dan Biddle we'll be covering one of my favorite topics tonight looking at the idea of human evolution and This topic is incredibly important for people who want to study
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- Faith and Christianity and understand the contrast between the evolutionary worldview and the biblical worldview
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- Because when we surveyed about 600 people on a pollster thing people these are people who checking out of the
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- Amazon They got paid a $10 tab to go through and do a survey We asked them these 600 people coming through the the poll.
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- What's the number one? Proof for evolution regardless if you're a creationist or you believe in an evolution or creation or not what's the number one evidence that supports evolution and 72 % of those responses for long fell along four categories.
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- It was human evolution Darwin's theory proper fossils and transitions and Science as an authority, but the number one repeated
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- Evidence for heat for evolution was the idea that humans of all four maple like creatures So it's a really important topic to cover tonight.
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- We'll start with what the Bible says. We have it in Matthew 19 This is Jesus speaking.
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- He says So the Pharisees came also came to him testing him and saying to him
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- Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason and he answered and said to them?
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- Have you not read? he who made them at the beginning made them male and female and said for this reason a man shall leave his father and mother
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- And be joined to his wife and the two shall become one flesh So they are no longer no longer two but one flesh therefore what
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- God has joined together Let not man separate so in the covenant of marriage that that Jesus is talking about here
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- He says at the very beginning God made them He made them male and female not millions of years after creation, but at the very beginning of creation so that's out of the words of Christ and he was he was reflecting back and pulling from Genesis 1 and Genesis chapter 2 verse 24 and In Luke chapter 3 we have a connection between Jesus and that goes all the way back to Adam It goes through the line of David and Abraham and all all the way back through and Noah About 70 some plus Generations is a connection and narrative in Luke where he where he weaves together and connects
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- Christ the second Adam all the way back to the first Adam, so we have a historical connection there if you will between Jesus and and Adam So this shows that we have a foundation here when we for that foundation to stand
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- We need a real Adam a real garden a real tree a real devil and real sin and death
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- And that's what the gospel in the New Testament are standing on So without those things being real and historical as provided in Genesis 1 to 11
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- The gospel itself really has no foundation to stand on because they are all based on those things that teach reading
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- Genesis as history So and this is even recognized by atheists Here's a famous quote by a leading atheist who he said no
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- Adam and Eve means no need for a Savior It also means that the Bible could not be trusted as a source of unambiguous
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- Literal truth it is completely unreliable Because it all begins with a myth and builds on that as a basis
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- No fall of man need means no need for atonement and no need for a
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- Redeemer So the historicity of Christ and the historicity of Adam being a real person who was made in God's image out of the dust of the
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- Earth is essential for the gospel. It's a very it's a foundational matter So let's review some of the evidence looking about the idea of if humans evolved so evidence number one
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- That I'd like to go over that supports the idea of we were Spontaneously and instantly created by God is that we have interdependent obviously engineered
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- Simultaneously assembled body parts that could not come together without intelligence
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- So first if you consider a lock and a key So a lock goes into the the key socket which has these tumblers and springs and a key by itself
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- Has no purpose and a lock socket by itself has no purpose the two of these things are connected in Independent or interdependent way you have to have one if you're gonna have one you have to have the other and you'll see that in The human body with respect to design
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- So consider also a car system an electrical system in a car You have a starter and a starting wheel and a flywheel
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- And you've got the electrical system and the battery all of these things need to be there at the same time for a car to operate you have to have the battery to provide voltage and it goes through the wires to the starter and The alternator recharges the battery.
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- It's this big circle. Those five systems are interdependent and connected Well, it's really the same thing with our hearing system
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- In fact when I'm challenged sometimes when I speak at secular universities, I say look give me a chance.
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- I will Do my best to prove the existence of a divine creator in one minute and I simply lay out the year
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- I ask people how in the world isn't that our human hearing system has five separate distinct components that are all connected together and Interdependent interdependent way so that I'm when
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- I'm pushing around sound molecules in in the in the room here Those sound molecules are trapped by the pinna the outside of our ear that go through a canal that wiggled a little tympanic membrane that goes into the three little tiny ear bones that amplifies that those sound waves by a mechanical force of 1 .7
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- that goes into a hydraulic system as that am the hammer the anvil and the stirrup are
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- Pushing on side the fluid inside of our cochlea and that amplifies the signal yet 22 times again that turn it into a chemical and then an
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- Electrical charge that it goes to a nerve that's wrapped around our brains that when I'm when
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- I'm moving these sound molecules around where it gets heard as speech and Interpreted all at the same time.
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- These are five interdependent systems that all work together so if you were to take protein and Electricity and whatever else you want in a bucket and store it for five billion years
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- You're not going to get five separate systems that are bolted together that each of which does nothing by itself is of no
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- Significant value it takes a designer and a creator to take these five separate components these five separate machines
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- If you will and weave them together so that humans can have hearing it requires a divine maker
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- Evidence number two is DNA design. I think it's really incredible when you set back and look at DNA We have an uncountable number of these
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- DNA molecules in our bodies. We can stretch them out There are six foot long strand that could stretch you know stretch you add them all up You could stretch between you know here in the moon several times over and DNA when you take an honest
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- Scientific look at it is not just scrambled letters if you look at the three billion base pairs in our genome that that code for Genes and proteins that turn into make who we are today
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- It's not a just happen stance alphabet soup
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- It's information that's coded and engineered in a way that builds useful life
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- So it is it's straight -out information. What about the idea that humans of all from an ape like creature?
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- We overshare let's say ninety eight point six percent of our genomes Well, we have a longer video on this you can take a look at it's one of our most most watched videos
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- The the comparison when they came up with the old humans are ninety eight to ninety nine percent
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- The same as chimps with respect to our DNA overlapping That's not actually true and a lot of the the honest atheists that are looking at this stuff now
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- Go back and would admit that because when they made that comparison saying that 99 % of our DNA is the same
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- Do you know that they ignored? 25 % of the human genome and 18 % of the chimp genome when they made that comparison
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- They only took the strands or strings of our DNA letters that overlapped and then they compared those regions
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- The parts in the human genome that didn't fit the parts in the chimp genome that didn't fit were cut out of the analysis
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- They only made the comparison with the leftover parts that were very very similar But in order to do that, they had to ignore a quarter of our genome and 18 % of the chimps
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- What about mitochondrial DNA mutations? There's been some studies that have come out recently where they used to well, you know
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- The evolutionary worldview is well somewhere many people put about between five and six million years ago
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- We shared a common ancestor with some ape -like creatures and then where the human line kind of spun off and we say, okay
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- Well, how many changes in the genome would have to happen between them? Between back then and now well, they used to base that on Just theory, but now we can go and test using a real observational science how frequently
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- We get observed mitochondrial DNA mutations and the studies that have now done that using some pretty good science show
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- That the DNA mutation rate of our mitochondrial DNA is 20 times higher than expected by evolutionary theory
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- So we they expected about one mutation every six to twelve thousand years
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- What they observed was one mutation in every 33 Generations, so just just an amazing sped up Observation when compared to the evolutionary theory doesn't support it at all.
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- And that's why we have even Magazine journals and peer -reviewed journals coming out
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- This is happens to be a science report that says well Look evolutionists are most concerned about the effect of a faster mutation rate
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- For example researchers have calculated that mitochondrial Eve that original Eve the female that we came from The woman whose mitochondrial
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- DNA was ancestral to that in all living people Lived a hundred to two hundred thousand years ago in Africa, but using this new clock based upon the observational
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- Mutation rates. She would be a mere six thousand years old. Where have we heard that before?
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- Well, it's in the Bible That's what the the biblical history would have was that Eve was drawn from Adam's side about six thousand years ago
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- A friend of mine is one of the lead chief Medical professionals that a huge health system here in the area and he's also creationist and I pegged him down once at my son's
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- Soccer game and I said, what's the leading proof for you as a physician? He's been steeped in the medical industry for years just observationally from an evidence standpoint
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- What's the top thing that leads you to believe in the and a divine creator? He said that is easy.
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- It's blood coagulation And I said, well, what do you mean? He says well Evolutionists can't explain blood coagulation because that there are five
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- Separate steps that have to happen when you get a cut that all these signals and all these these
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- These steps begin to happen to stop the bleeding and some people that don't have these steps
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- You could could bleed out if they don't have the proper medical attention, but he says look Dan there's no way that that just could have evolved because all of the
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- Predecessors in any evolutionary line would have died out if you don't have all five steps in the blood cascade
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- Lined up a lot like they do in that process. So then you also have to think well, what of all first the heart or blood or Veins, you know, you kind of have to have all three at the same time for our circulatory system to work the next seven evidence that we'll look at is just really that the weakness of the case for human evolution when you take a look at Objectively and you look at the lineup that they have for ape to human evolution
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- It's it's a really weak that we have changing stories We have a very scant and scattered and sifted fossil record with huge Inferential leaps or you know, big gaps are requiring a lot of guesswork.
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- We have consistent exaggeration and contradicting and overlapping lapping icons
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- So the first one we can take a look at is the changing story
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- So if you were to open up a textbook, that's about a hundred years old 1915 and look at the idea that they shared back then on the idea of the human evolution tree
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- We can see it looks like this We even have a couple of icons on this tree that were shown to be frauds or have been
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- Exaggerated in different ways that have since been removed from the tree. But in 1915, that's what it looks like in 1927 we have some changes
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- We still have Peltdown man and a couple other figures on there that that scientists have later removed 1931 we have yet more changes that have gone on 1951 we have a different idea of human evolution 1965 and the 1985 so there seems to be a new human evolution tree idea for every
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- Generation about every 20 or 30 years. It changes significantly and this generation is not exempt from that We can look at the most modern human evolution trees
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- This one just came out by paleo expert Richard Klein and the thick Vertical vertical bars that you see here showed the actual fossil evidence that they found and the dashed lines and thin lines
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- Indicate the evolutionary relationships that are based on guesses So they're trying to fill in the gaps here with guesswork
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- But if you look at the yellow circles here, all of these are question marks They don't know how in history these different evolutionary characters line up They have estimations on when they think they lined up based upon Dating the strata that these things came from or evolutionary designs that they perceive
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- But look at all the question marks and this is the latest cutting -edge Theory here on the human evolution tree.
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- Here's another one that was published in the Scientific American Same thing look at all of the broken branches
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- These all are based on inferences and guesswork from one particular icon to the next to the next
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- It's not a complete tree In fact most experts today call it a human evolution bush Where they have all these kind of connections and if you ask one paleo expert and a different paleo experts are going to give you a different Different conjecture a different way that the trees gonna gonna show up for them.
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- But here we have tons and tons of Broken branches So if you browse through the headlines and follow this topic like I do you're gonna find time and time again
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- Magazine articles peer -reviewed journal articles lay articles that are coming out saying things like this we have still not found the missing link between us and apes or The human ape is still missing or things like the oldest fossils of our species
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- Push back origin of modern humans. These things go on time and time again
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- They're consistently redrawing the tree of human evolution or happy 350 ,000 birthday study pushes back homo sapien origins yet again
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- The next thing I'd like to look at is the scant scattered and sifted fossil record so Charles Darwin said that as by Evolutionary theory innumerable
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- Transitional forms must have existed. Why do we not find them embedded in countless numbers in the crust of the earth?
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- And they also said why is not every geological formation in every stratum full of such intermediate links?
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- Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain And this is the most obvious and serious objection that can be urged against his theory against the theory
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- So Charles Darwin the father of modern evolutionary theory believed that Subsequent decades and centuries of digging would reveal more and new and more convincing
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- Transitionary fossils, but that has not been the case. In fact, we've gone Backwards, we're not finding more evolutionary transitions.
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- We're finding more stasis in the fossil record So today we have over 7 billion humans humans on the planet
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- There are less than 1 .5 million primates and we have really nothing in between.
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- We've got millions of primates We've got over 7 billion humans Where are all the in -betweens because you would think if we did evolve from ape -like creatures
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- There ought to be more of those running around than there are today, but there's a huge missing middle here
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- We have apes and humans, but not a lot in between. So Dr. Ian Tattersall from the
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- American Museum of Natural History Has a saying here where he says look you could take all of the supposed evidence that humans evolved from ape -like
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- Creatures and if you didn't mind how much you jumbled it up You could put it all into the back of a pickup truck
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- When I was indoctrinated by public school as a high schooler and through college gosh,
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- I thought that they had you know Bulldozer trucks full of transitionary fossils because that's the way they seem to make it appear in the textbooks
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- But when you go and you start looking at the actual fossil collections You can take the whole lot of it and put it into the back of a pickup truck and many estimate even smaller than that Maybe just a wheel barrels full of fossils that supposedly show this ape to human connection
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- The next one is having big inferential leaps Consistent exaggerations contradictions and overlapping icons
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- So let's take a look at this by looking at the some of the oldest human evolutionary icons going to the newest
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- We can start with Artie. They found Artie in Ethiopia in 1992
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- She was a scat of scattered fragmentary bones found in about a 30 -foot Excavated area took him about 17 years to reconstruct
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- Artie to the point where they put this digital Reconstruction on the front of Science Magazine here and none of the bounds the bones were found
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- Connected or in any way to each other we found a found over about a 30 -foot radius And many of the even though the leading finders of of this
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- Artie Skeleton called it like Irish stew or mush or roadkill
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- So they're dealing with very scant evidence here and Artie's claim to fame was that she was supposedly an upright
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- Walker or on her way to becoming an upright walker And they guessed that in part based upon at the bottom of her skull a part called the foramen magnum
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- It's the base of our skull where the spine comes up to the to the middle there And they only had about half of her foramen magnum
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- And you can you can guess just by looking there about how the degree of reconstruction that was necessary to take these scattered 100 bones squished about an inch and a half thick and Reconstructed into a skull it had to be done digitally
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- And here's what it looks like when they when they did that and you can see here at the base of her skull is
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- Largely missing they had to take all these 100 fragments put them together and reconstruct what they thought her skull might have looked like Her spine it was another thing that they used to base the idea that she was an upright walker from Dr.
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- Lovejoy Inferred from the pelvis that her spine was long and curved like a human's rather than short and stiff like a chimp's and these changes
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- Suggested to him that Artie had been a bipedal or an upright walker for a long time in fact
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- Dr. Lovejoy said that well we think already had this thing called lumbar lordosis or curvature of the spine
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- And we'll take a look at that in a minute here But Lovejoy did acknowledge that the discoverer of Artie said that the chimps and gorillas do have three to four lumbar
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- Vertebrae, but he inferred that already must have had six lumbar or lower vertebrae
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- And this is important because all of the lower lumbar all the lower vertebrae from Artie were completely missing
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- He was inferring based upon a complete absence of data So she didn't find they didn't find any of her lumbar
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- Vertebrae, and here's a simulation showing Artie walking Well, we can see that This is a quick glimpse of her of her hip or her pelvis region
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- And they're thinking that she's walking like this and they will draw on her a complete curved spine
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- From start to finish, but you can see here. They didn't find any of those parts They had to infer the whole thing and it's based upon that inference based upon a little tiny bump on the pelvis
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- They think the rest of it should be constructed like this. So this is a really a high degree of inference they even put a curve on her spine there and And that's all based really on guesswork
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- Apes have one long curve kind of like a shallow sea
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- Humans have four curves to our spine We have the cervical thoracic lumbar and sacral and that's to facilitate upright walking whereas chimps are hunched over So they just have one long curve that they have they're kind of forced into a stooped over position there
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- And they're inferring a human like lumbar Lordosis or a curved spine aren't already based upon nothing but a slight bump in the hip
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- We can also take a look at the other parts of her body And here is a an artist's rendition of a baboon.
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- That's I'm sorry a bonobo. That's right next to her She really does look like a bonobo, which is a cousin to a chimp
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- But based upon this limited data based upon a bump on her pelvis completely missing lower lumbar vertebrae
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- Having no no spine really to speak of at all including a missing foramen magnum
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- I only have about half of it where her spine entered the base of her skull and A really smashed up skull they're believing that she walked upright
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- So there's a lot of get inference and guesswork going on here And then when you look at even her her toe and her hallux
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- Apes many apes have an exaggerated hallux or there they use their hands or their their feet like hands
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- And so they have this hallux that sticks off to the side so that they can grasp things for climbing as shown here
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- They have this huge thumb that sticks out to the side that bottom clip There is actually that chimps thumb hanging on to a branch, but it's a thumb attached to her foot and not on her hand
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- So Artie was very well equipped for hanging out in trees Next let's take a look at Lucy.
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- Lucy is the leading human evolution icon That's used in sixth grade textbooks around this state and around most states in the country
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- Let's start with a quick clip from Donald Johansson who's a discoverer of Lucy he has this video a
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- BBC where he talks about the number of Lucy's kinds that have been found or australopithecine or australopithecus afarensis
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- Which means ape from afar, so let's give this a quick listen. We now have 400 specimens of Lucy species australopithecus afarensis named after the afar region and We know that they're very large individuals which were males and the smaller ones are certainly females
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- Okay, so we see here that while this video is playing. Dr. Johansson says we now have 400 specimens of Lucy's kind and while he's saying we now have 400 specimens of Lucy's kind we see this parade of full complete upright
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- Skeletons marching across the screen while he says we have 400 specimens of Lucy's kind But when you when you look at what he's talking about He actually they don't have 400 complete upright walking skeletons like they show on the video
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- They have this picnic table, and that's what they mean by 400 specimens in fact about 380 to be exact and 35 % of these specimens are just teeth so while on the video.
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- He says we now have 400 specimens of Lucy's kind He's talking about bone chips and bone fragments and teeth as specimens not complete upright walking skeleton as is exaggerated on that video
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- They just have these 380 some bone pieces and fragments that they found in the
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- Hadar region So not complete upright walking skeletons, but every time we see
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- Lucy and museums and school textbooks You'll notice in every single time. I think we found once where there's an exception
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- They show her with complete eye whites and only humans have eye whites apes do not have eye whites
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- There's a couple of species of apes that have a little bit of white rim around their eyes
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- But for the vast majority of a species do not have eye whites, but it's done to exaggerate her human like appearance
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- Here we can see Now they've even taken the fur off of Lucy and given her a family and a husband so she's walking along there
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- I know fur with completely White eyes and here we go again another one with Lucy with white eyes and now we have
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- Lucy in deep thought Looks like she's philosophizing there and when you look at the
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- Context in which Lucy was found they found hundreds of pieces scattered around a three three meter area of a hillside 50 square meters or 20 tons was sifted to find what resulted in only being about 20 % of her bones
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- So all this work lots of people 50 square meters You know 20 tons of sediments sifted and they only found about 20 % of her bones and in this collection
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- Just a few years ago. They learned that her thoracic vertebrae actually didn't belong to her it belonged to an extinct creature called a theropithecus
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- So we know that at least one or probably some of her bones are from a mixed up species of different kinds didn't even belong to her ape species
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- Okay, the next icon in the lineup is called Homo habilis or handyman's if you were to open up a sixth grade textbook in world history that goes through a human evolution
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- We have homo habilis is next but even the leading evolutionists this one here. Dr.
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- Richard Leakey Says look of the the several dozen specimens that we have Been said at one time or another to belong to this species at least half probably don't belong to homo habilis
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- But there is no consensus as to which 50 % should be excluded. No anthropologist 50 % is quite the same as in others
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- Let's just start from the big picture on homo habilis. They don't have a single one They have a hundred bone pieces and fragments and a collection that they've labeled the tax on homo habilis
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- But they don't have one complete homo habilis Specimen they just have a bunch of below bones random bones from different places that they're categorizing into the homo habilis
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- Category. Well, why did they call this creature homo habilis because it means handyman and these bones were found
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- The majority of homo habilis bones were found in an area where they found thousands of butchered animal remains
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- From bovids or cows catfish all kinds of different creatures that have been butchered
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- Using choppers polyhedrons discoids and scrapers So they also found that these scrapers and these rock tools had to be
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- Harvested from a place that was a couple miles away that had this special type of rock called quartzite
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- So whoever was taking these stone tools and using them and putting them together and butchering these animals
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- Had to learn what kind of rocks to go to go to and go quarry So they had to quarry certain kinds of rocks
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- They had to flake it with precision form into several different types of tools that can be used for butchering animals, which was a several stage process and Thousands of bones from other animals were found pulled apart and not attached
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- So we have what we really have here where homo habilis was found was a human animal killing and butchering site where they were using
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- Humans that were smart enough to go a couple miles away get special kinds of rock bring them back Forge these rocks and in different types of tools for different processes and then use them for butchering and eating animals including ape -like creatures just like homo habilis and Here is a quick video that talks about Where they found the homo habilis bones and a living structure that they found not too far away
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- The evidence that humans were actually the inhabitants of this site is also confirmed by a 12 -foot circular
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- Foundation made of lava stones for a hut shelter they found in the same Archaeological bed where homo habilis bones were found paleo experts even described this circular stone
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- Foundation as having a striking similarity to the dome shaped hut shelters still made today by nomadic people in the same area
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- But it gets even better. They actually found the stone circle in a layer beneath homo habilis bones now that's not faring well for the theory of evolution because whoever was there working with tools and building huts was on the scene before Homo habilis even showed up in the fossil record.
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- This is exactly the opposite of what we would expect if evolution was true the 348 animal bones they found scattered around the hut included species from the croc cow hippo elephant horse
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- Tortoise giraffe and pig families and do you know how many they found inside the stone hut circle only 11 small fragments?
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- Which were mostly toes and teeth seems like the leftover pork chops were being thrown outside the living area
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- The other clue that this site was being inhabited by humans is that 48 of the 50 pieces of debitage
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- Which are the leftover pieces of rock that get removed when stone tools are made were found outside the stone hut foundation
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- Sounds like a human living area to me Okay, so there we have homo habilis and it's amazing to me that they found this 12 -foot circular stone hut foundation
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- That obviously had to be built by humans And humans in the same area are building the same type of structures today
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- And yet they say that this homo habilis creature built it the next in the lineup is neanderthals and from the 1900s to 1960s so if you go look at my grandpa's version of a neanderthal my dad's version of a neanderthal my version of a neanderthal
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- Growing up if you look at the the school textbooks in those eras You'll find neanderthals as a brutish half -man half ape creature cruising around with clubs
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- That's how it was pitched to us in anthropology classes But neanderthals today after collecting more bones and doing more research and more analyses
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- They were completely human their genome lines up over 99 the same as humans are are today
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- They had families with homo sapiens. They buried their dead using ceremonies. They made weapons.
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- They made arts They buried people with flowers. They had all kinds of things including a musical instruments
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- That indicate that they were fully human Now they've even learned that the these neanderthals were combing beaches and diving down for certain shells at certain depths
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- To make tools for harvesting meat off of animals, so they were completely human But that was certainly not the way they were pitched to me when
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- I was a high schooler So in summary we have four to five million years ago
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- We covered arty then we went on to lucy's kind to homo habilis homo erectus and homo sapiens
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- This is the way it's laid out in a sixth grade textbook And we have these different fossil icons that we talked about going along each way.
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- These were just extinct apes Homo habilis fewer than 100 bone pieces represent that taxon
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- And did you know that from the time period that evolutionists put between two million and three million years
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- They only have enough fossil evidence that they claim from ape to human evolution between two million and three million years
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- To put inside of a shoe box and still have room left for putting the shoes back inside So they supposedly say we branched off from from ape -like creatures starting about five million years ago to present
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- But they have this huge window between two and three million years ago ago that they that they believe where they have literally almost no
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- Evidence enough to put into a shoe box is still with roof room left to put in the shoes
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- And then the last thing i'll cover here on on this is that they're this is from a dr Rup's book called contested bones.
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- They've actually found from evolutionist material That a lot of these evolutionists who are excavating these bones now say there's a huge degree of overlap
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- With these animals or these ape -like creatures coexisting at the same time
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- So my question is how can one supposedly evolve from this creature to the next to the next if evolutionists say?
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- Well, they were all living at the same time or in the same same era and there's plenty of uh of sites and quotations
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- We have from uh from evolutionists about that point Okay, so we'll end a human evolution here and go on to the next section.