Is the Jab Dividing the Body?

So many people forget the real war that we're fighting. The real war is not between the vaccinated and unvaccinated or even the vaccine mandates, when the vaccine mandates are evil. But the war is, again, Christ and the ungodly, the godly versus the ungodly.

Introduction to Samuel Sey and the Program

Welcome back to Conversations with a Calvinist. My name is Keith Foskey, and I am a Calvinist, and I am excited today to welcome to the program first-time guest and very popular blog writer, Samuel Say.

Samuel, it is nice to be with you today. Thank you for being on Conversations with a Calvinist. Thank you for having me. Absolutely, absolutely, and I'm glad that you're here. I've been a big fan of your writing now for several years.

You've had the Slow to Write blog that has been out now for eight years, and you, in the blog, say that you're committed to addressing racial, cultural, and political issues with biblical theology in an attempt to be quick to listen and slow to speak.

Your words have been featured on The Daily Wire, The Christian Post, TheBlaze .com, and my wife's personal favorite, Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey. So tell us how this all began, because, I mean, I see your name everywhere.

As I said, you're on all these posts, but how did this start, and what got you into it?

Yeah, I started writing in 2015, as you said, eight years ago, and it was in response to the original Black Lives Matter riots. Right now, everyone thinks of the 2020 riots, but the first riots were in Ferguson, Missouri, after the Darren Wilson and Michael Brown incident in Ferguson.

So a lot of people that I knew, especially my friends at the time, were really embracing critical race theory, and to be honest, they were mentioning terms that I wasn't even familiar with. I'm like, wait a minute, this is not you.

You're saying things that's just, you're being taught this, what's going on? And as I started doing my research, as I started studying critical race theory, studying critical theory, studying Marxism, studying just, you know, the history of racism to understand where perhaps, you know, where they were coming from.

And then, of course, studying the scriptures more on the issue of race and justice and everything. I became more and more convinced that, of course, that critical race theory was unbiblical. I already knew what it was from what they were saying and how they were thinking of their white pastors or their white church members, but I really wanted to understand where it was coming from and how to confront it with scripture.

So instead of just calling all my friends to say, hey, here's why I think you're wrong, and here's why I think you're in a dangerous path, I thought, let me just write a blog, write some, you know, write an article or two, and then send it to them.

And I did a, I think it's a seven or eight part series on Black Lives Matter originally. And many of them became convinced. Some were not convinced, but those who were convinced, they shared it on social media.

And from 2015 on, it just kept growing and growing till 2020, where everything just went crazy in the world. And I guess people went to my blog and they realized that I've been writing about this and warning about this for five years before then.

So yeah, that's how I got started.

Oh, wow. Well, and like I said, it's been all around. And having looked at a lot of your material just over the years, but also in preparation for the show, you do deal with a lot of subjects. It's not just, you know, the BLM stuff, but I mean, you have dealt with so many, I'm pulling up your Instagram now.

I mean, you've dealt with the issue of homosexuality. I saw that you were on with John Root doing that. And you've even recently posted about the Tyree Nichols situation that's going on. And you've even addressed Ivan Provov, I don't even know how to say it, the hockey player.

I'm a Canadian, so I watch a lot of hockey. So I know a lot of Russian names. So yeah, it's Provov, but.

Oh, okay. Yeah, I would have never got there. Would have never got there. All right, well, one of the things that we do on this program, and it's become kind of one of the more fun parts of the program is a way to get to know you a little better is called Craziest Things This Week is where I bring up a video that you did not know was coming.

I did not, I warned you before that there was going to be a video that you didn't know about, but this is a video that you don't know what the context is. You don't know what the content is. You're gonna get this for the very first time right now.

And as a man who is slow to write, you're going to have to be, in one sense, quick to speak because you're gonna have to, you're gonna have to respond off the cuff. But I did look through your page, and you have at least posted on this in regard to your Instagram.

So this isn't totally out of left field. But when you see it, you'll know exactly what it is. Hopefully you'll be able to hear this well.

The gay men and women who grew up in church and the gay men and women who've come to faith in Christ as adults who want to participate in our church, oh my goodness. I know 1 Corinthians 6, and I know Leviticus, and I know Romans 1.

It's so interesting to talk about all that stuff. But just, oh my goodness, a gay man or woman who wants to worship their heavenly Father, who did not answer the cry of their heart when they were 12 and 13 and 14 and 15.

God said no, and they still love God. We have some things to learn from a group of men and women who love Jesus that much and who want to worship with us. And I know the verses. I know the clobber passages, right?

All right, brother. Well, he told us right there, he has read 1 Corinthians 6. He has read Leviticus. He has read Romans 1. And he calls them the clobber passages. So what are your thoughts as a biblical writer and thinker?

So there's so many thoughts there. One is when he uses the term clobber passages, that's actually a term, as far as I know, which is directly taken from progressives who use that term as, well, here is how the Bible hates or oppresses gay people.

And he, as a pastor, is using that term essentially in agreement with them. The other thing is, if you listen to what he's saying closely, he is making not God, but the gay people there, the gracious people.

That's like, well, although God has said no to them, they love God anyway. It's like they have a reason, a basis to not love God because God has said no to them. Not that God is the one who's being loving there, but they're the ones who are being loving towards God, which of course, you're not loving God if you're not obeying him, right?

Christ says that if you love me, you will keep my commandments. So what he is saying there, he's making God out to be the sinner and then gay people out there to be the innocent, gracious party there.

But on top of that, and I wrote an article about this some time ago, the number of people, because I write particularly about, I mean, all different things, but especially critical race theory and things like that.

But so many young people are struggling with this thing, trying to understand how to think about this biblically because they're hearing people like this, pastors like that saying these things. And I always say this, is that we think, and I really mean people like Andy Stanley, thinks that he loves gay people more than God does.

And it is completely wicked that the most loving thing you could do is to tell the truth, right? As 1 Corinthians 13 says, love does not rejoice at wrongdoing. So God is not gonna rejoice at a gay person who is in sin, who is going to suffer the wrath of God unless they repent and believe.

So there's so much I can say about that, but it is absolutely abhorrent. It's an evil thing. And honestly, since then, since that post, I've received emails from people that used to go to his church and they've said they left his church because, and I won't go into too many details with this, but they left the church because he personally told them that he's approving of homosexuality in the church.

Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Well, that's some powerful thoughts, especially regarding God as being the less gracious party and the homosexuals being the more gracious. That's thoughtful, brother, that very insightful.

All right, I have one other thing. I normally don't do two craziest things, but you're a man who has so many good things to say. I thought you would be worth a second one, but this is not a video. This is just a picture because I didn't wanna show a video.

This is from last night's Grammys. So my thought was maybe you might share your thoughts on,.

Did you see what I'm talking about? No, I saw it. I wish I could even see it, but I saw it. Yeah. Oh, man, yeah. I actually just made a post about this, is that when you see something, I didn't watch the Grammys last night.

I didn't even know it was on. And I love music, but I know they're not rewarding skill, they're rewarding sin, right? Not skill. So I don't wanna watch any of that.

That is a quote worthy of Twitter right there. You need to drop that. I will retweet that there. The Grammys are rewarding sin, not skill. Oh man, that's good stuff.

Well, my head is getting even bigger now. So my wife will be thankful for that, but I'm thankful. Yeah. One of the things I've said in my post is this completely, again, destroys the myth of neutrality that you are either, like, I mean, they are now letting it known out there.

They know where the culture is at. They're not ashamed anymore. He's the second, there are two prominent gay artists in society, him and Lil Nas X. Over the last year or two, they've both dressed as the devil in performances.

I mean, that's saying a lot, but also I said in my post that it's not just him. You're either worshiping Christ or you're worshiping Satan. If you condemn Christianity, if you condemn Christ, you're really celebrating Satan.

And in many ways, while it's horrific to see that, it's horrific, but in many ways, I'm glad that our society is really seeing, not that I'm not happy that we are where we are, but I'm glad that people are starting to see that, look, there really are two big differences in our society.

It's not different religions. It's one religion versus the other. It is Christianity or any other religion, any other circular view. It is really just, you're either for Christ or you're against them.

You're either for the devil or you're against them in Christ.

Christian Liberty, Romans 14, and the Vaccine Decision

Amen. Amen. Love it. Love it. Well, brother, thank you for being a part of, and again, you're the first person to get two craziest things this week. I couldn't decide which one I wanted to do, but we are gonna move now to our next segment.

And this segment is one that I was super excited about to do with you because every week I have a different person on the program and every week we play a game. Now, normally we play a game about pop culture or I have a trivia game that we play.

We have all these things, but I have something very special for you. And what it is, it's based upon some things that you've written on your Instagram page. One of them I wanna quote, and I'm quoting you directly.

So this is not, I just wanna make sure my audience knows this is not Keith's thoughts. These are, this is Samuel's thoughts as put onto Twitter. He said, or I'm sorry, onto Instagram. He said, no one warned me when I married a small town white woman that eventually I would start talking like her.

I almost died inside when I said, I'm in a pickle.

You're putting me in a pickle right now, right?

I read that and I thought, first of all, I just love you so much more because of that. And you wrote something else. I'm trying to find it, I pull it back up. Something else that you said was another phrase.

I don't remember, I can't find it right now, but basically it was another, it wasn't a pickle. No, it was, you said, I'm.

Oh, gung-ho. Yeah, you said gung-ho, yeah. Well, I was about to. I was trying to describe something to my wife and I almost said gung-ho and I stopped myself by the grace of God. And I'm like, no, no, this is not good.

This is not good for me. But anyway, yeah, it was gung-ho.

Well, that's funny. Well, what I've decided to do for your game, this was all for you, is I went to itsasouthernthing .com. Now itsasouthernthing .com is a funny website. They put out a lot of videos.

We love, our family watches a lot of their stuff. It's just funny, home, just clean humor, like stuff that's good. And I like humor, as you know. Well, what they have is they have 30 Southern phrases and I'm gonna give you a couple.

I want you to tell me if you know what they mean. So this is your game. This is just for Sam. Cause you're not from the South, right? No, I'm from Canada. Not the South. So you're like even more North.

You're not, yeah, I got you.

Yeah, I mean, I'm in the Midwest now, but yeah, I'm from Canada originally.

All right, so I'm gonna give you a phrase. You have to tell me what you think it means. Okay. First one, his cornbread ain't done in the middle. His cornbread ain't done in the middle.

What do you think that means? Since, okay, so my perception of the South is a lot of the phrases, when it's about other people, it's really a nice insult. Yeah. So I'm going to assume they're saying he's not very smart.

That's right.

Yeah, he's not all there. Yeah, his cornbread ain't done in the middle. That means he's not, he just, he's a little off. He's not quite there. All right, here's another one. And I, and maybe I look forward to the day that you say this one and maybe you'll text me and say, hey, it came out.

Have you ever said to someone you wanted to have a come to Jesus meeting?

You know, I haven't said it, but it's funny you say that because I know a woman from the South in here in Ohio. And I'm pretty sure she said that to me and not to me necessarily, but said it to me about somebody else.

And I think it was having a conversation or a confrontational meeting. Yes. With that person.

Yeah. Yeah, that's it. That's right, yeah. A come to Jesus meeting means we're talking about something serious because coming to Jesus is serious. So that's a come to Jesus meeting. Okay. All right, here's one.

And this one is, maybe isn't really a question of what it means, but where do you think it comes from? What in the Sam Hill? You ever hear somebody say that? Your name's Sam. You ever heard somebody say that?

No. What in the Sam Hill? So I'm supposed to figure out where it comes from?

No, no, no. I'm saying, well, what do you think it means? What in the Sam Hill? What do you think that means?

Okay, let me ask you a question. Is the Sam Hill an actual person? I don't think so. I don't think so. So, okay. I mean, I think it means what in the world, right? Yeah. Yeah.

But I'm trying to Yeah, this is an example of Southern curse words that don't, you know, cause we're not allowed to curse. Mama won't let us curse. So we make up other words that are, you know, like, you know, you know, just all, I don't even want to get into it.

Cause you can't get, but there's a lot of things that we use to replace bad words. And, and, you know, people would say, what the heck? Instead of, you know, using, using the H word. But this is what in the Sam Hill is like, what the

Just like what you said, what, what in the world? All right. All right. So last one, last one is the phrase that is so versatile. It's everywhere. We hear it. If you're South of Tennessee, you hear this all the time.

What does it mean when someone says, bless your heart?

Oh, you know, it's really interesting. My wife, who's not from the South, but she, well, when we went to visit the South recently and she was telling me what it really means, if I remember, it is, apparently it doesn't really mean bless your heart.

No, it does not. Yeah. Apparently it's, I guess it's more of, I mean, how do I phrase it? It's, it's more of a, I can't call it an insult, but it's like this, this, like you're a fool. Yeah. Or something like that.

Yeah.

That's it. That's it. It's basically saying you're an idiot, but I'm going to, I'm going to love you anyway. Bless your little heart. Yeah.

It is. Yeah. I would have never known. I would have been like, wow, look at these kind people. Wow.

I would have never known at all. If you're in the South and a Southern woman says, bless your heart, she does not mean it in the most gracious way. All right, my friend. Well, in tying in with today's game, I want to let the audience know that we do have a giveaway for this week.

And this week we're going to be giving away two books. We're going to be giving away The God Who Is There by D .A. Carson, as well as The Leader Guide, which is going to be a two-pack and you'll be able to have the book.

And if you're discipling someone else, or maybe you want to pass on The Leader Guide to your pastor or read the book and give both of them to your pastor or to a small group leader, you'll be able to do that.

And here's how you enter to win today's giveaway. In honor of Sam's playing It's Our Southern Slang Game, you're going to go into the comments of this YouTube video and you're going to leave your favorite Southern phrase.

So if you, and if you don't know one, you can go to itsasouthernthing .com and find one, but look up or put in the comment section, my favorite Southern phrase is, leave it behind. And if you do that, you will be entered to win, again, a copy of The God Who Is There and a copy of The God Who Is There Leader's Guide.

So thanks, Sam, for playing and allowing our guests, our viewers rather, to have the opportunity to win. All right. All right, so now we're going to move on to the next part of the program. And this is the part of the program that really most of you probably tuned in for.

And that's the main topic of today's program. We're going to be discussing the subject of the jab, but we're really going to be talking more about Christian liberty and our love for one another when we have serious disagreements.

As it is well known, back during COVID and after COVID, there was a big push from the leaders to get vaccinated. And there were many people who went right out and got vaccinated. I have family members who did and who did so.

And I have other people in my life and in our church who chose not to. And some of them took a very strong stand against it, feeling like they did not want to be forced to take something that was, in their mind, experimental and not having had the rigorous studies that they wanted done.

So there was reasons on both sides. Some people felt like they really needed it. Some people felt like they didn't want it. And it created a lot of division in churches. And Sam has taken to write about this subject because in his blog, he talked about how his wife and he were wanting to be married.

And because of that, the vaccine became an issue. Sam, do you want to tell us about that? I know it's in your blog, but tell us what happened.

Yeah, yeah. So I'll try to summarize the story as much as possible because it can be a bit of a long story. But long story short, in order to come to America so I could marry my wife, I had to get the vaccine.

Before that, in Canada, there are very, very few Christians who have a platform in writing on the culture. And there's an even smaller group of people that were very vocal against the vaccine mandates.

And I was one of them. And yet, so I didn't want to get the vaccine whatsoever. I don't have an issue with anybody who wants to get the vaccine. I even wrote an article before I got the vaccine about how everyone should be fully convinced in their own minds, referencing Romans 14, when it comes to what they feel they should do, as you said, Christian liberty.

But I didn't want to, but yet, in order to marry my wife, I had to. If I did not come, if I were to refuse getting the vaccine because of immigration issues or whatever, I wouldn't have been able to come to America a year or two afterward.

So I had to really pick getting the vaccine and being married or not getting the vaccine and being single. And my wife and I had been already waiting, my wife, as in my fiance at the time, we had been waiting for like five years because of so many difficult issues with immigration and then the COVID lockdowns, two years, we couldn't see each other at all.

It was just crazy. I'm like, I can't keep doing this to myself and to her. We need to get married. So I got the vaccine actually while I had COVID, which is a crazy story in of itself. But in the article, I said afterward, and it's true that it was afterward, but I still really had COVID in my system.

I wasn't supposed to leave the house, to be honest with you. But if I didn't get the vaccine on that very day, I wouldn't be able to leave the country. So I decided to just go to the pharmacy. They didn't ask me if I had COVID or not.

If they asked me, I would have told them, but they didn't ask me. So I did it in, I think, an even more dangerous way. I was really concerned about the vaccine and then being sick while I took it was even more concerning.

But anyway, yeah, so I got the vaccine and I came to America. Actually, it's been a year this week, and I married my wife. But one of the reasons why I'm so passionate about this issue is I've been writing about racial issues for a long time.

And I've always said that racism is directly addressed in the scriptures as partiality. I define racism as partiality against someone because of their skin color, not race, because there's no such thing as race, or at least multiple races.

There's only the human race. Nevertheless, what concerns me is, especially at that time, you had so many Christians, regardless of their views on the vaccine, who were supporting mandates that showed partiality against unvaccinated people.

And that's just sinful. It just is. You cannot punish someone because of a choice that they believe is really right for them, a choice they believe that it is the best way for them to love God and their neighbor.

So anyway, that's the, I kind of went past the question there,.

But that's why No, I think that's very helpful. It provides a context for our conversation because it's given us a couple of different paths that we're gonna go down. And the first path is, of course, what you said in regard to every man has to be convinced in his own mind.

I think that that's a very important thing that people miss, is that when you went and you were vaccinated, you made a decision that you had to determine was right for you. And at that point, you know that one day you're gonna stand before God and give an account for everything you've done, and including that.

And as Romans 14 that you pointed to earlier, it says, before a master does a servant stand or fall, you know, we ultimately are going to have to stand before God in how we respond to this. And as I said, we have people in our church, some who were very anxious to get the vaccine.

Some of them were older, some of them had health risks that caused them to be very concerned about COVID. And on the other side, there were those who felt like they would not wanna do it because they didn't want whatever potential health risks would go with the vaccine.

And therefore they were convinced in their mind that they shouldn't do it. And so we as elders, and it was me and my two elders who served together with me, we had to be gracious on both sides and say, you know, we're not gonna stand up and say, you on one side are the righteous and you on the other side are the wicked or vice versa.

But to say that you've made a decision and it's your conscience that has led you to this decision and you're gonna bear the consequences of that decision, whatever they are. If you don't get the vaccine and you end up getting sick and something happens, then you're gonna bear that consequence.

Or the opposite, which now there's a lot of talk about perhaps the vaccine having effects. And that was one of the things that you mentioned in your article that I read about people have said to you, well, are you afraid?

And can you speak to that for a minute? Because I do think that's something that a lot of people are, you know, people who have the vaccine are afraid right now, some of them.

Absolutely, I'm not afraid now, but I was, you know, I mentioned in that article that when I was going to get the vaccine, I was afraid of whether I was making the right choice. I wasn't really afraid of the possible outcomes because I knew, it may sound strange to some people, but I knew I was risking my life in my mind.

Not that I believe the vaccine is a death sentence, I don't believe that, but at that time there were complications already that were coming out. On my blog, I had actually worked with a politician in Canada to get people to send me their stories.

I called them, I think they're vaccine stories where people who've had the vaccine, who were saying that, yeah, they were suffering some health complications from it. So I already knew this could happen, especially you have people my age, you know, who were being told to, hey, be concerned, you know, make sure you get this particular vaccine and not the other because one is more dangerous for young men.

So I knew that I could potentially harm myself over this, but I still believe that, look, if it's in God's hands, I'm going to, I think my bigger mission is to pursue my wife, no matter the outcome. And also I did not want her, because she would have to, if she were to come to Canada instead of me coming to America, she would have to get the vaccine.

I didn't want that. I wanted to be the one that would take the risk instead of her. So I was not afraid of death necessarily, or even the health complications. I knew that could happen. My mind was made up already at that point.

My temptation to fear was more that, was I making the right choice? Like, is this honoring to God? That's what I was really thinking about. And on the way there, that's all I thought about. I thought about death, like, okay, like I might die, I'm not saying again, the vaccine definitely kills anybody, right?

I'm just saying that again, that has been something that's happened. So I thought, you know, since this might happen, am I doing the right thing here? And I became convinced I was doing the right thing.

But I wrote the article, not because I was afraid then or that I'm afraid now, but that given what's happening in our culture, where there have been health complications and people supposedly dying from the vaccine, I had a young girl, I think she was maybe 19 or 20, who, I should say a young woman, who reached out to me saying that she's in Canada, she got the vaccine.

She knows that I got the vaccine too. So she's asking me, hey, are you afraid? And she's saying that because she's afraid. And honestly, my heart broke. My heart really broke because I see this young woman who's just scared because she's seeing what's going on out there.

And then there've been tweets going on about someone saying, some people who are very prominent saying, yeah, if I was vaccinated, I'd be scared right now. And then, so that's gonna make her more afraid.

And then my goal for that article was to say, look, as a Christian, you don't have to be afraid. You don't have to be. So then I went through the data saying that, look, there are health complications that come from this thing, but it's not the majority.

But that's not even what should be our hope. That's not our hope whatsoever. Our hope is that even if you were to die, it wouldn't be because of the vaccine necessarily. It's because God has numbered your days and God had decided to bring you home.

And that is not something for you to be afraid of. It's something for you to rejoice in. So that article was meant to encourage people like her who were afraid because of the vaccine, because of what's being said around them.

And the reactions to that was quite interesting, but yeah. Well, what have you had?

I was gonna go there. I was gonna talk about, have you in church, have you experienced mixed reactions? But let's start with the blog. What have been the most, and when I say the word vicious, have you had any vicious attacks about this or have they been just more thoughtful?

What would you say has been the tenor of the response?

Yeah, the majority, as I expected, were very, very helpful. There were very, a lot of people, a lot of people who had been vaccinated were like, yeah, they've been afraid. And the article really encouraged them and helped them to remember that God is sovereign, that everything that happens in their life, vaccinated or not, is ordained by God.

I am a Calvinist like you.

I didn't want to ask because I never want to put somebody on the spot, but it sounded like that's where you were coming from. So yeah.

I mean, I'm biblical, so I have to be Calvinist. I'm kidding. I'm causing trouble.

I'm gonna cut just that part out and that'll be what goes on Twitter as we advertise the program and say, I'm biblical, therefore I'm a Calvinist.

It's funny, someone, I already mentioned her name earlier, so Allie Stuckey, right? So someone sent me a message saying, Sam, because I made a post about Allie Stuckey at the time saying, Sam, I like Allie Stuckey too, but she's a Calvinist.

I can't really get behind her all that much. And I said, well, I mean, I'm a Calvinist. And they're like, oh, really? All right. And then they said, what in the Sam Hill? I'm kidding. I'm kidding, they didn't say that.

Well, butter my biscuit. But yeah, so anyway, but yeah, to the reactions were mostly very helpful. I was, honestly, the biggest privilege that I have as a writer is to hear from people that my words are really encouraging them.

That's really the most important thing to me. That's a real blessing to me. But of course, there were some people that were not happy at all. It's interesting. The vicious, I guess, replies were people who were assuming my intentions.

They were claiming that I was, I wrote the article because I'm afraid and I'm trying to lie to myself. I'm like, what are you guys talking about? But they were claiming that. And they were saying some pretty awful things.

They were trying to rebuke me for getting the vaccine. They were saying, I've sinned. I need to repent because I got the vaccine. It's apparently sinful to get the vaccine. But people were also really attacking the Christians who I was writing to, the Christians who are vaccinated, who are right now struggling with fear and anxiety.

They were saying, yeah, you should be fearful. You should have anxiety. But wait a minute, guys, have you read your Bibles? No, they shouldn't be. Even if you believe they are dying, even if you believe that.

No, what are you doing? And what's happened is there's so many people out there who were victims of partiality because they were unvaccinated. And now they've become so bitter because they blame the so-called compromisers who got the vaccine.

And they've lost their jobs. Some of them have been, some of them have suffered from terrible churches. Some of them have gone through real difficulty over the last two, three years. And because of that, they've become so bitter that now, because the news is coming out in a more favorable manner towards them about saying, yeah, they're not saying, yeah, see, we were right about the vaccine, that now the people who are afraid, who are vaccinated, they're now, not all obviously, but many of these people are shaming the vaccinated people.

They're attacking them. They're doing the exact same thing that was done against them. They're now repaying evil for evil. I believe, I think that's Romans 12, I think. Repaying evil for evil. And it's just, it's like, guys, so then you, what you hated about partiality against the unvaccinated was not really the partiality.

It was that it was against you. And now you're seeing this cycle. And to be honest, it's very similar to the issue of critical race theory. And I plan to write about this very soon, but that critical race theory in some ways, not completely, but in some ways, it's repaying evil for evil when it comes to white supremacy.

As a society, there's always this cycle. As a sinful people, there's a cycle that we've been sinned against, therefore we're gonna sin against the other. So whether it's on racism or the vaccine, it's the exact same thing.

It's that we were victims of sin, therefore we're going to sin against them too. Now they won't say that's the real reason, but their fruits say that's exactly what's happening.

Yeah. And when you, talking about the, you hit on something there when you said that those who were not vaccinated now feeling like they have been vindicated and therefore that vindication gives them the right to attack those who disagree.