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Today our guests for the first time is Ray Moore a chaplain and

lieutenant colonel in the United States Army Retired who has served for

over 40 years in pastoral ministry as a campus pastor a congregational minister campaign

consultant or staff for several major political campaigns.

The graduate of the Citadel with a BA in political science a graduate of Grace Theological

Seminary cum laude with a Master of Divinity in 1974 and a Master

of Theology in 1979 an army reserve chaplain retiring as lieutenant

in 1999 a bronze star recipient for service in Gulf War one co -founder

of Frontline Ministries Incorporated currently serving as the president of the board

author of let my children go and Co -author with his wife Gail of the promise

of Jonadab Building a Christian family legacy in a time of cultural decline.

He's also one of the executive producers of the 2011 award -winning film

indoctrination public schools and the decline of Christianity in America, which is a

gun production and also a script writer an executive producer

of the film Escaping common core Setting our

children free, which is a cutting -edge films production today.

We're going to be addressing exodus mandate encouraging and assisting Christian families

to leave Pharaoh's school system for the promised land of Christian schools and

homeschooling.

It's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever the iron sharpens iron radio Ray Moore.

In

fact the

first

about the

exodus

man.

Wow.

Well, sometimes

teach kids how

to

swim.

You get a

push them in

the water.

No, I have them on the show probably around two to three times a month at least

well before we go into the exodus mandate.

Which is going to be the major theme of the show.

We have a tradition here on iron sharpens iron radio.

Whenever we have a first -time guest.

We have that guest give a summary of their salvation testimony that would include.

The kind of religious atmosphere if any that they were raised in and the kinds of providential circumstances

Our sovereign Lord raised up in their lives.

That drew them to himself and saved them and I'd love to hear your story.

I was raised in a

Baptist Church, you know

in the South Southern Baptist and my parents were devoted Christians.

They instructed us in Scripture and I would say somewhere along the

line I made a public profession

because

she wasn't

ashamed

of it, but she

didn't

want

that question.

Um, I Follow the Lord pretty faithfully and you know in in

that world and then when I was in

Good

marriages

or

put their

own

we

have

a long

history really 1977 with no

lick, Indiana,

so we've had

a journey but

in 97 is when I publicly launched the

already.

Well, let's also hear something about Frontline ministries.

I mentioned earlier that you are co -founder of that ministry and I know that the exodus mandate is

connected with that so if you could.

Tell us

about frontline ministries

and thank you

a

broad

to broad.

And we had a kind of a limited budget at that time and so at 97

We kind of focused in on laser like on one thing.

That was the exodus mandate.

Frontline ministries is our House in which we live.

Our father some controversies about that, but that's what we

did in 94.

And then we offered the exodus mandate the project under that.

It has no independent legal standing.

It's written on ministries.

But people know it's better

because that's what we

oh not confusing

at all.

Well.

Obviously you have a passion and a mission to lead

Christian families out of the government school system.

Into.

The Christian schools and homeschooling.

When did this this passion and this mission begin in your life, what were you witnessing that?

Brought you to the point where you were no longer going to be a spectator on the

sidelines watching this happen watching the decline of the

school system and the culture.

And you said, you know, I'm going to roll up my sleeves.

I'm to get involved in this.

In the trenches and I'm actually going to actively do something about that.

How and when did

this begin to occur?

We weren't thinking of in a broader context than just our

immediate family, you know, but over the next 20 years.

The conviction of it

together

a big

group

at that time

in 97 I went

to that brief

look at what they're doing

to our chiro and all they

could say is repeal bad laws.

Sitting there just utter

and

that nobody

but I knew the left had a

plan.

That they were really working hard.

They were using the book people had figured it out

and you know something.

When I think back in the 70s when you first started becoming alarmed

What they are doing now makes

What you probably witnessed in the public school systems back in the 70s

Made it look like You know, John Calvin's Academy or something.

Yeah, because it is.

It went from being bad horrible to absolutely grotesque

horrifying and satanic.

God Telling me to go try to do this and I had written off

track Or here's earlier called let my children go and

I was already Advocating

and to get out of the schools And go to

home to going to take this thing national now.

I felt a little silly at the time thinking that but

that was what my dream was and we

spent a

weekend

with him Sharing our dream and our vision.

He thought as I mentioned He kicked me out early before I was ready to make a

public announcement,

but we did and we launched

it about that time.

I And heritage and

that's the big

time have

won the

code but we don't know it

and they're just gonna take the next 30 to 40 years to finish us all

not that sharp and I Mentioned already how they so

he said you should try and then later I met

with a church and he was a retired army colonel JAG officer and He

was a homeschooler.

You tried to

do that Take the kids out of the public

school and give them in the Christians.

I Kind of shot me.

I said, what do you mean?

You know what they're doing and how they've got a plan to bring our country

down but he said the Christians will hate you too,

and they don't want to obey God and God's Word when it comes to educating their own children

quite that bad.

We're still

flying under the radar with the left I hope that didn't go on forever.

But they my brother said they wouldn't take me serious because they would see

education is strictly a religious thing and not a political thing so they wouldn't worry about

us because he's a little Christians down here and someplace doing something they

Think they can can affect the country.

They don't have a very big budget

fair money.

And

we've

been at it

Christmas 25

is a

once in a 100 year

moment every hundred years Homeschool has gone

from 2 .5 million

To 5 or 6

million

private

count outside the

system

right now for all this Pandemic it was 13 to

15 per side the public system and that would have taken in Catholic

private schools That are not religious as well as

you prefer and then in Bible based Christian education.

But if somebody takes their kids out and puts them in a private school It does at least weaken the so

you can see this movement in the next year or so

going and if that would happen We

might reach a tipping point and you know what that is where there's a sudden shift in

a culture over an idea or product or something like that and We have a sudden rush

into the new paradigm.

You may remember when the personal computers came out I can't remember quite a year that really took

off, but there was a period when all of a sudden everybody had one and

And the sudden

shift slide rules, you

know who'd gotten a hand calculator

bought one for Texas Instruments.

Yeah, that's what my brother Bob had.

I could still remember it and being fascinated by this hand calculator from Texas Instruments.

Yeah, he had one in

70 and very expensive for that day.

Yeah, well, I

think within four or five years of that everybody had them and that's called a tipping point.

So we can see this happening with education so

badly.

And people are just finally had enough and if they're just going to leave in droves and that is what's

happening now.

And so I hope your audience will be

evangelical.

I'm sure

that's your

that category.

But 80 of children from

those kinds

of devastating one of the biggest things I'm

watching.

Light idea.

People say oh no, Johnny and Mary.

Oh, they're salt and light.

They're missionaries in the public school.

I want to slap people when I hear that.

It's such an absurd idea.

Matthew 13 and 14 and twist them to mean something.

He never intended.

He just simply was giving a behavior

all context to be a witness and be salt and light in

whatever Circumstance it doesn't

tell us there to put little children in harm's way and put them in pagan

schools so they can be corrupted.

And I think a lot of parents are gonna risk a millstone.

That's the Matthew 18 6, you know.

He said if you cause one of these little ones to stumble having a millstone and put

around your neck cast into the bottom of the sea.

Now I think a lot of them are doing it unknowingly and I do period periodically come

across parents that are properly.

But they people make that use that

text to justify.

Putting little children in public school.

I think it's a case of sloth and laziness.

They're just looking for Scripture.

Yeah, and If they would not believe it was wise

To have their little children Voting in the church why

on earth would they think that they could be capable of being missionaries?

Right, but

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leave Pharaoh's school system or otherwise known as the government schools or public

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As always give us your first name at least your city and state and your country of residence.

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If your question involves a personal and private matter What are

the specific things?

That were and now are Present in the government school

system that Disturbed you so much perhaps even outraged you so

much that Christian parents were still sending

their their children there when I was in grammar school in the late 60s

and early 70s.

The only thing that I can remember being in a private and parochial Catholic school

since I was a Catholic before I was saved Was in science even

in that Catholic parochial school.

They taught evolution and the science teacher.

Even told us don't listen to the nuns about the story of Adam and Eve.

It's a bunch of nonsense and all those stories in the Old Testament about Noah's Ark and all that.

That's a bunch of baloney and It was interesting how he maintained a career there for many years.

But Having even gone to a public or government high

school junior and regular high school I Can't remember other than

an occasional mention of evolution and things like that in science of anything shocking

even in the 70s through 1980 when I graduated.

Perhaps it was just because I was stoned out of my mind for most of my high school years.

But I don't.

I don't and of course back then I wouldn't have been shocked because I wasn't a believer.

But what is What is present.

And what was?

Present that even got worse that Disrupted your life so much that you said I've got to do

something about this.

Scripture

even

though

the

leftists

deny

that

if you

got

elected

doing

a

good job He's doing a bad job, but it's

up, which is a socialistic model.

So critical race theory thing, but then you have LGBT

it has to be a dozen thing and then it still

wouldn't be caught though, it's got to be abandoned and.

And as I mentioned earlier in this interview the tipping we could be the tipping point where if we have enough people that will obey God

and do the right thing with their own children.

If they tip the tipping point and we could move of

only cry glad to get

rid of it.

They in my state about 50 of the

budget say well Hey,

we're gonna let you Christian churches that are empty five

days a week we're gonna get out of the school business and let you do

it and we're gonna use a Limited tax money we have to pay the roads and pick up the garbage.

But I tell the state leave our children alone.

You have no business get out of the because

you're not doing a very good job.

And of course, they're not going to just listen to Christians.

Well a part of your mission.

Before I even get into.

How much headway you specifically are making in this part of your mission is

assisting? Christian families to leave the Pharaoh's School

system for the promised land of Christian schools and homeschooling.

How exactly are you assisting them?

Obviously, you're encouraging them by Making this information available to the public and the Christians

specifically, but how are you actually assisting them to do this?

I'll

have

something

like

it

and

have it

their

own

organization.

And the lady who started is

named

by

the two

days a week with the with about a dozen.

I was on that call today at two o 'clock Eastern Time

and we were planning and it's just taken out.

We're just out there this group because

mandate, you know, I'm keeping that going.

She's got a pretty good budget has about four or five paid staff and so I'm helping with that and

and Alex Newman is the Executive director you might have heard of him.

He's one of the

Wood

actors,

but they're

not your

typical

Hollywood actors.

And they homeschool three children.

Public school exit.

Calm it's a and

people who are but they don't know how to begin and where to go and They're just

kind of lost.

They've come to the decision to leave and they don't have a clue about how to get started.

So this site has a lot about curriculum Models of

you can go there and study and ideas for

k -12

Parted X's

mandate org that

was

25 years ago.

This is only two years old public school exit, but it is really.

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involved in running private Christian schools that Christians are

disobeying God and really doing their children a disservice to put it mildly By not

enrolling them in private schools or homeschooling but for us who homeschool.

And those of us who cannot afford to Send our children to a

private school.

Actually, I misread the the the question she she or he

anonymously said For us who cannot homeschool and for those of us who cannot afford to

send our children to a private Christian school.

What

kind

of

resolution

do

you

have and

they're

being?

Indoctrinated and being harmed by the curriculum.

Now, there may be something but most of

them are pretty bad and even the one

in

indoctrinating

there

the scriptures and

then the Lord will be

services in

their churches.

Now you said earlier that the.

Pastors in general are either indifferent or

ignoring your pleas.

For them to be involved in what you're doing or there might even be opposed to it.

Why.

I mean when you're talking about Christian pastors, I'm not talking about mainline

apostate leftist pastors, I'm talking about regenerate Bible -believing born

-again pastors.

Why are they.

What reasons are they giving for ignoring this very serious situation?

Well, there are and help

them where they are and.

And that's there's not.

That's not totally invalid but in this case the children in their church.

But I've really come to terms for

coming.

But at

that

point I

had a book out and a movie called let my children go and he

passed in a church of two Or three thousand he had led a lot of

Christ and baptized.

And I gave him the book where he

said to me He'd be

different

at

the

larger mega

church

and the

headmaster.

They have a lot of public school

and the pastor will not allow them to publicize the school allow

them to make it known To leave literature on the table.

Because he doesn't want to offend the.

Wow.

Now, I think I don't know if you agree.

I think it is.

Completely permissible for a Christian to be a teacher in a public school

as long as he is not forced to

Contradict his beliefs and Compromises beliefs and I know of a few that I've

done that but there's a difference between an adult Being a teacher in that circumstance

that truly can serve as a missionary in some capacity.

Especially if he develops relationships with the families outside of the classroom.

But I would think that a pastor should sit down With a

Christian public school teacher and Confront them with the evidence that in

fact evidence that they already should know is existing About

the Horrendous and oftentimes satanic

Things being taught and encouraged in the public school system, and if they were a

genuine Christian They should recognize and admit yes, that's true, but I'm

there as A light in the darkness so that that as a and as an adult

and a teacher I think that that's acceptable, but not to drag your church down by

by trying to stores start a rebellion against the pastor who believes.

Homeschooling

in

Christian

schools

are

the

superior

model

for

Christian

parents

and

they

got a

little

up now.

Would you agree as I have discussed with other guests on this program? That it's not

adequate.

Just to say don't send your kids to the government schools.

Send them to a Christian school because even some Christian schools just like some Bible colleges and

seminaries Are really often teaching things

that are seriously heretical.

Some of them are just mimicking the government school systems curriculum

with with just sprinkling Jesus in it and May have less

Sexually provocative things involved may have less or no

woke Material in their curriculum, but they're still not really

Adequate as a Christian school.

Would you agree that a parent really has to be careful even in that area?

They have to have a and they have to agree to a

doctrinal statement.

But a lot of them are not instructed in worldview.

My wife taught for years at a large South Carolina and she was head of the

English department and it was a wonderful place For her and my children, but at times there were real

Inconsistencies that showed up and it was very frustrating to her.

You know along some of the lines you say.

But it wasn't.

It was certainly a great improvement and it may left a good mark on my three children who went there.

And now I had.

If we sat back we could find some things that they need.

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episodes of iron sharpens iron radio with other guests but what about the parent

that has a gifted athlete and If they were to send their child to a

Christian school that has no athletic curriculum at all or

homeschooling they would be deprived of.

Being involved in athletics and perhaps even

deprived

of a

career.

Wow.

We have Susan Margaret in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania.

Who wants to know is it legal to have?

Other family members outside of your immediate home.

Or even neighbors that you can trust.

Homeschool your children for you if it is impossible for you to do that.

And I think

it's there.

Might be you have

pop

one teacher.

So

there are many different models.

So the answer is yes, you can do it in your

particular all the

states.

We have another anonymous.

Listener.

Who says what advice do you have and counsel?

To start a movement going in your own local congregation that might convince them to

start a private Christian school of their own.

Well, it

was

very slow.

We have a saying we make often says that the people will lead the leaders will follow.

So if you're not showing any demand or any interest they certainly not going to do

it in their congregation.

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But you

have to make the case and a lot of people have never heard the case.

Maybe I can make a shout

-out a little bit.

Sure.

Was a home school

and now he's home.

And he's running for the US Senate in Georgia and they may 20.

Josh and his webpage is.

Well, and I know this young man real well.

He's 40 the Georgia House.

Very qualified now everybody in Georgia thinks that Herschel Walker is going to run away with the nomination.

He's very popular football player, but I'm not real sure he'd make a good US senator.

At least I think Josh would pick a lot better one.

So there are five candidates challenging Herschel Walker the famous football player in the Republican

primary on May 24th and We hope Josh may be able to come up and come in the second

play and if Herschel doesn't get 50 of the vote on May

24th, there would be a runoff and he might have a chance to close the gap vote.

Josh Dot dot com and I know a lot of your audience could

be in Georgia and just take a look at that web page.

I know him and a dedicated Christian

elected.

He would had

a very effective record as a legislator.

And by the way, he was endorsed recently by the state life.

Now this set of curiosity.

I'm not an expert on Herschel Walker.

But I know that he's considered to be one of the greatest college football players of all time.

And is a winner of the Heisman Trophy and Was inducted

into the College Football Hall of Fame.

Even played professionally for the Eagles and the New York Giants he's he

seems by profession to be a solid Christian when I've seen interviews with him and

very conservative on The vast majority of things in fact on every issue that I've heard him speak on.

Why would your candidate and your friend be in your mind a superior candidate to someone like Herschel?

Well, I

think and Josh even says he was my boyhood Hero, I'm very humble man.

Yeah, and he doesn't I've just when I

and I just don't think you can have on -the -job Training, but he has

some appeal Trump and that carries a lot of weight and it's a lot

of there's five candidates running against him.

Hoping to

and right now he's doing very well, but he was at 75 for six months

ago.

He's down to about 55 or 57 percent now, so 20 days to go.

We'll see what happens, but I just don't think he's really that qualified and You know, I've had to make.

I've worked myself a lot of campaigns.

I worked on Dan Quayle's staff When he ran for the Senate the first time in Indiana.

And I've managed a lot of campaigns and I myself did run for lieutenant governor

and in my state didn't win.

But I made a good showing so I've had a lot of experience and I just know Josh is just Will be much

better for the state of Georgia and he would be effective on Policy,

that's what I think.

Well before we run out of time, I want to give you five minutes of uninterrupted time to summarize.

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originally existed a hundred years of

American

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Want to go back to the original model American model

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Not put them in pagan schools, which is what so many are doing today.

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Well, we have time for a couple more questions.

We Have Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, New York who wants to know.

I am aware that there are several philosophies of Christian education.

Perhaps more but the ones that I am aware of are private Christian schools

that insist both parents of the students there be Christians

there are others that say at least one parent has to be a Christian and there are

others that believe neither parent needs to be a Christian.

And.

What is the model that you prefer if any?

I?

Think

there are

Christians should have a Right to put their

kids in a Christian school.

We think Christian schools generally should be for Christians.

We've seen they take over

Dominate the Christian children.

They you don't want to have a core badly influence.

The Christian kids.

That and that's been the policy of

my family school where my wife taught for years they had to have at least one parent to be.

Well, we.

Actually have an anonymous listener right now.

Who is responding to that?

The anonymous listener says I am very familiar with a Christian school that

permits students to be enrolled without either parent being a Christian,

but they run a very tight ship of discipline and The parents have

to agree To the fact that the children are being taught biblical

concepts and Evangelical Christianity and in addition to

the reading writing and arithmetic.

Would you fault that kind of a school that seems to be successful in spite of some of the students

not having either? parent as a Christian leader in the home.

Figuratively, of course.

And Evangelizing the children.

Well, I

want to

thank you so much for being on the program today.

And I want to make sure our listeners once again have all the information they need To follow up

with you.

The website is Exodus mandate org.

Exodus mandate org.

I want to thank you so much Ray for being a superb guest.

Look forward to your return to the program.

Amen.

Well, you might be interested in listening tomorrow because I have another guest that was recommended by dr.

Moore craft Dr. Kevin Clawson.

Yeah, no, he's very well great president and teacher of principles of law and principles of government at

Christendom Bible College and we're going to be discussing.

Reconquering the Academy for Christ.

Yeah.

Well great.

I'm glad that you.

Have a high regard for tomorrow's guest and I urge everybody Who listened today to tune in tomorrow?

4 to 6 p .m. Eastern to hear dr. Kevin Clawson on Reconquering the Academy for Christ.

Well, I want to thank you again Ray Moore, I want to thank everybody who listened today, especially those who

took the time to write in questions and I want to thank everybody.

Whether you wrote in a question or not for listening I want you all to always remember

for the rest of your lives and never forget that Jesus Christ is a far

far greater Savior than you are a sinner.