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On this 22nd day of August 2022.

I'm delighted to have back as a returning guest One of my

favorite preachers.

I had the privilege of at the most recent Orlando Ligonier conference

their national conference in Orlando, Florida to hear this guest speak

among others and his message actually stood out as my favorite.

And was left so edified and blessed by it.

I'm speaking of dr. Harry L reader the third who is an author.

He's the host of the embers to a flame Conferences and host of the radio Bible ministry in

perspective.

He's also the senior pastor of Briarwood Presbyterian Church in Birmingham, Alabama, which

is a congregation in the Presbyterian Church in America today.

We're going to be addressing the authority and trustworthiness of scripture and those happen to be

the two themes that Dr. Reader will be speaking on at the

upcoming Quaker town conference on reform theology in Quaker town Pennsylvania

on the broader theme the sufficient word and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio

Dr. Harry reader.

Hey Chris.

Oh, I am so grateful to hear that coming from somebody of your caliber.

Well, first of all, tell us about Briarwood Presbyterian Church in Birmingham, Alabama.

And

you think

keep

coming

back

is

because

you're

you're

giving

the wrong answer.

My wife kind of got ahead of me on this one and we since the Lord was calling.

So I came here in September of 1999 and in about two weeks.

I will have been here 24 and so.

It's been a great privilege to be there in ministry.

Briarwood was the very first General Assembly and dr

Barker was one of the founding fathers of the PCA and the very first General Assembly I

said was at Briarwood and we have actually

last

year by

the way.

I don't know if you know my very dear friend from Birmingham, Alabama

Reverend Roger Salter, but he is the rector of st. Matthew's Anglican Church

in Birmingham.

And it's a very reformed conservative Bible -believing

confessional Anglican Church and Roger is a very dear brother and a brilliant brother and I

think that you would both be blessed By getting to know each other if you do not already.

So

I've

gotten to

know Roger.

In life and ministry, of course, I was going to try to

challenge him and encourage him on church on church government.

Well I will pass on your Warm regards to him the next

time we speak.

The

unofficial

chaplain of the fire department he used to walk the streets

I believe in answer to his prayer.

God brought Frank Barker and A fellow by the name of Dick Van Yell and a fellow by the

name of dr. Charles Carter.

Once a Southern Baptist one was a Bible Church pastor and then dr. Barker Presbyterian which

really launched what continues today as a Continual revival of the

gospel in our city area.

We have much to see done, but we have been blessed for a continued revival

blessings from the late 1860s on into this time and

I've had the privilege to come here and serve for the last 2023 now going on 24 years.

Well, you may not know this but my very dear friend

Who also happens to be my very first pastor as an evangelical born -again believer?

Who baptized me in the waters of baptism in the mid 80s?

Mike Gay Dosh who is also one of the primary financial

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the Christlike life and ministry of brother Brian of Birmingham by Hunter Blakely.

Amen amen.

Well, if anybody is going to be visiting the

Birmingham Alabama area or if you already live there I Strongly urge you to visit

Briarwood Presbyterian Church, and the Website is Briarwood org easy enough to

remember Briarwood dot org and Tell us now

about your role at the upcoming

Conference the Quaker town conference on reformed theology and you can't say that too fast because listeners

may Misunderstand us is promoting a Quaker conference.

But this is the Quaker town conference on reformed theology going to be held this

November on the sufficient word and as I said already, I'm going to be God willing

manning an exhibitors booth there and Dan Doriani who's been my guest in the

program even recently is one of the speakers Richard D Phillips is also

one of the speakers who I have interviewed a number of times and My guest today.

Dr. Harry reader is also on that roster that's November 11th through the 12th the sufficient word is

the theme.

Tell us more about your role there and.

How you became connected with this wonderful

conference

ministry?

Yeah,

Chris

equipping Christian

I give some what

are the most

prop I did it for my venues that

I beyond my own denomination and my responsibilities to Christ

and universe one is

Westminster seminary my alma mater reformed theological seminary my

doctoral alma mater our own Birmingham Theological Seminary right here

in in Birmingham under the oversight of Briarwood and then

Two organizations Ligonier because of their confessional integrity

reformed theology and and then of course the Philadelphia Conference on

reformed theology.

Another one of my mentors was Jim Boyce and and so I Was

available to him.

He went to be with the Lord and now Rick Phillips who's going to be at this conference gives leadership to the

PCR T and It's various low cash lake Locations including

Quakertown.

So I also give time to them and their conferences upon their request.

I've been to Quakertown now a third or fourth time.

It's a wonderful group of people wonderful fellowship and and there's been a great

blessing to be a part of and I'm looking forward to returning there and Nothing would be excites

me more than to deal with that.

What I caused what I called I will be many others the formal foundation

that was ultimately sorted out and and focused upon and And

featured in the Reformation and that is Sola Scriptura that the scripture alone.

Is our only rule of faith in practice?

Amen.

Particularly the authority and inerrancy of the scripture related directly

to To the sufficiency.

It's my opinion opinion that the attack upon mainline

products the think in 20th century

through liberal Christianity was The attack upon the inerrancy of the scripture.

I believe today's attack of progressive Christianity upon the Evangelical

Church is Cut from the same bolt of cloth.

But the focus is not on inerrancy.

The focus of the attack today from progressive Christianity is on the sufficiency of

the scripture because of it's also

liberous from.

Amen

much my dad.

Yes, the modern skeptic is really.

Mirroring Rome's objection to the

Sufficiency of scripture.

They will they will say that it's trustworthy, but it's insufficient and of course

Liberals within the Church of Rome would say it is neither sufficient nor trustworthy, but

but even the Medieval position was that it was not on its own

sufficient, but it was trustworthy.

But today you've got attacks on all sides.

And by the way, I just want to give a shout out to my friend pastor Ron Cole of The Grace Bible

Fellowship Church in Quaker Town, Pennsylvania who is hosting once again.

Yeah the Quaker Amen, and Ron's a precious brother.

I've had him on the program discussing his victory over cancer and a

book that he wrote as well.

And also, I want to give a shout out to Ligonier ministries and

Specifically Reformation Trust.

Which is their publishing arm?

I'm having on September 22nd my next iron sharpens iron radio

free pastors luncheon and every year most prominent

publishers and even some small but excellent publishers Donate a hundred copies

each of a title.

I select from them to give away for free To the pastors attending and I just got word

moments before our interview began.

From Justin Wood who is the new? manager and sales and church relationships

officer there at Ligonier.

I just got word that Ligonier and Reformation Trust once again are donating a hundred copies of

a book to the luncheon and this year it's going to be the heart of the Reformation a 90 -day

devotional on the five solos.

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sharpens iron radios pastors luncheon.

Hey, it's my pleasure.

This was by the way launched these pastors luncheons were launched by my precious late wife

Julie in the 1990s and after her going home to be with the Lord for

eternity in 2010.

I have continued these luncheons in her loving memory and in honor and tribute to her

so Makes them more precious and special to me, and I believe even those who

attend.

Well if anybody wants to attend the Quaker town conference on reform theology.

And I really believe that if you are able to that you should.

Because these are always excellent conferences go to Alliance net org.

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Scroll down to the sufficient word November 11 through the 12th 2022 featuring

Dan Doriani Richard Phillips and Harry reader and that you will have all the information that you need

there.

And I God willing will repeat that information later.

We're gonna go to our very first break right now and when we Return we're going to be

heading into our themes today the authority and trustworthiness of scripture.

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We are discussing the authority and trustworthiness of scripture and if you have a question send it to

Chris Arnson at gmail .com give us your first name at least city and state and country of residence and Dr.

Reader when it comes to the authority of scripture there are many who are

Critics of not only the scriptures, but they're critics of specifically

evangelical and reformed Protestantism so the critics may be Roman Catholic or they may be

leftist critics of the scripture and They will caricature what we

embrace to be The authority of scripture which would also goes hand in hand with

sola scriptura That the scriptures are our only Infallible and

inerrant authority for the church today.

They will claim that we are making a nonsensical Argument that the Bible is the

authority on every single thing known to man.

When obviously there are things in life How to perform brain surgery and fix

your automobile engine and many other things that are not included in the pages of the Bible.

So if you could explain what is meant by our view the historic reformational view of the

authority of scripture.

Well,

yeah to

your

people of the book that God

reveals

himself providence or

history God reveals himself in creation and I'm certainly aware of that.

But while we can relation is

but it is not sufficient to give us What God has ordained for us to understand

about him for an intimate personal saving Relationship in the midst and

along with his people.

That's that's that's why that God initiated with of

course dreams and visions and direct communication to Prophets and then

later apostles, but then had it canonized for us

finally spoken In his son which he

confirmed with the credentials of signs wonders and miracles.

So in the Reformation that the presenting cause nation

was how can a man be right with the cardinal as Luther would

call it of the

Of the gospel

I do understand.

Repetitious quite be right with God is answered in the

gospel that not only man can be right with God But God right within man.

So

church

door

became

the

presenting

cause

did not

reach

other

challenges

that

the infallibility or

reliability of the

inerrancy in the 18th and 19th century and then Made

the

sufficiency

in our own reformation

stand

claiming no inerrancy or infallibility to it.

I just

stand is

the

doctrine

of

scripture.

Well,

why why

would it be?

I mean we're talking about our relationship with God.

Why wouldn't even why chapter one is

not the doctrine of God?

Revealed himself in his son

the eminence of

her

and the

son the

evangelical doctrine and

then Christianity 301 an

inerrancy of the.

Amen, and one thing I think needs to be Really repeated and so

it sinks in to the ears and minds of our listeners is

that what you mentioned before The general revelation that is spoken

of in Romans one only leaves men without excuse.

Because it does not specifically general revelation does not Specifically lay out the gospel

of Jesus Christ and the gospel of Jesus Christ is required to be

embraced for salvation.

And unfortunately there are even otherwise conservative

Evangelicals today and throughout the decades of the 20th

and 21st century.

Perhaps even 19th and earlier but predominantly in more modern times.

There have been even conservative evangelicals even and I'm sad to say and I hope that not too many people get

mad at me but Billy Graham Taught an inclusivist form of

gospel that That the general revelation was really enough and that

Muslims Buddhists Hindus and atheists even who are living according to the light they have

Are worshiping Christ without knowing it and are going to be joining us in heaven.

This is a very dangerous.

Mindset,

isn't it?

Yes, sir.

Can use the fear that all

they are not rays of truth

They are they are actually Demonstrating the depravity of man as he

twits even general revelation general revel

of the glory of God is his eternal attributes is unchangeableness and And his

divine power that he ought to be worship but it has no power

to change the sin nature and The sin nature and has no power to

tell us of the intricacies of the Godhead as and the works of the Godhead as

creator and Redeemer and Sustainer to the point that

That men can be saved and therefore what we need is Not the result of

the twisted the twisting of truth and man -made religion.

Now the fact that there's religion I mean they haven't discovered any place any primitive

tribe in which interestingly There's not the concept of week There's not the concept of holy

days and there's not and that they have some form of religion.

That religion is only though a testimony to our sinfulness that we would Twist those

things to the to the supremacy of man that we would be good the truth.

But yes, that does bear witness that man The image

of God stamped upon him and knows that there ought to be worship.

But because of the sin nature it is exchange the glory of God is exchanged for the glory

Is exchanged to glorify man which in fact actually sends man further

into a downward spiral of a Downward downgrade of the death spiral

in culture in which we embrace things that we ought to be shameful unashamedly

as Romans 1 describes.

Now one of the ways another one of the ways that the Church of Rome has twisted the

Reformational understanding of Scripture being the sole inerrant infallible authority

over the church is That they are claiming very often I've heard it with my

own ears from the lips and in the writings of Roman Catholic apologists

and during debates and so on but they try to create a caricature that we are presenting

The idea and unfortunately there are evangelicals who teach this That we

are fine and dandy Just sitting alone in the woods Underneath the tree

reading the Bible and have no need of any earthly authority at all.

We don't need elders.

Therefore we don't need to be a member of any church.

We don't need teachers our own brains connected to our eyes

So that we can see what we're reading or our ears Connected to what we are hearing others

say about the Bible is is enough.

And obviously the scriptures themselves, however teach that we do need elders and we do need

Teachers.

In fact, there are qualifications for both.

So am I right here?

Yeah, back to what to point it toward a

couple of times and that is as we reclaim the

infallibility inerrancy of the scripture and the Reformation and

have continued in the Reformation

itself the Roman Catholic would not have a knowledgeable Roman Catholic would not have denied the

what it would deny is the authority of scripture for faith and practice alone right and

what it would claim is that yes God's Word and then the

Roman Catholic Church believes in the infallibility of the Pope.

Well, it believes in the infallibility of the Pope in certain situations.

Claiming that infallibility from twisting the scriptures and What the church

creeds what they claim the church fathers have said recently.

I was in a debate when in the debate with me was a

Roman tap.

As we were in the debate we were both debating the atheist

and then but when it turned into a somewhat of a debate between us and Afterwards it was interesting.

This lady came up and said, you know, it was interesting.

You kept quoting the Bible in the debate and the other guy.

Speaking of the Roman Catholic he quoted the Bible sometimes.

But he quoted the church fathers more than he did the Bible and so well, that's a giveaway.

That's exactly what Luther was.

Luther and Calvin could quote the fathers.

But only quoted them as they were affirmed and the scriptures just the way Paul Could

affirm a pagan poet whenever the pagan poet by God's common grace lined

up with the scriptures and so but in the Roman position, there are

the good councils and

the and The scripture well We all know that you cannot have

heard the one and clean you

cling to one and despise the other.

The Roman Catholic.

And that's

what

scripture

over

while

they

did

an

accountability

with

the word

never denied The reaver

or the hearer to judge what was

pre

more noble -minded

God with eagerness.

But notice they're receiving the Word of God and then the

ability so you had the public Administration of the word the personal

priesthood of the believer in the examining of the word.

The judgment of what they heard

preacher and if what you have

heard is not ultimately declared

the supremacy sufficiency and inerrancy of the word.

But you are responsible yet.

You are not only respond and the priesthood of the believer.

That's

why God

is gifted of God

and has so ordained them to do that because of our needs faith comes from has

this

turned into an evangelical arrogance of the sufficiency of the individual

Christian.

Yes.

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We have.

Let's see.

We have CJ in Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York.

Who has a question for you?

Dr. Reader?

He he says how do you respond to the Roman Catholic claim?

That since human beings are not Infallible and inerrant they

are not their own popes.

They need an authority outside of the scripture to be able to accurately and

properly Define those teachings in Scripture and we who are evangelicals

have no such authority.

Well, oh,

yeah, you were saying about the arrogance of evangelicalism on a certain point.

The

primitives

what

the

question they

do not

believe

are

not that

scripture interpret in

the final inspired

inerrant

and with Jesus R .C.

Sproul

his Communication.

What he said agreement was when we went back

to he's wrong.

It means the scripture is right.

And by the way, we both could be wrong.

But ultimately the scripture is never wrong.

Therefore our standard our measuring rod is not those whom the Lord uses

in in creeds from

counsel.

That that's why we even acknowledge.

But ultimately it's

this in these matters

that all scripture

is inspired by God and is profitable.

For doctrine reproved correction and training and righteousness that the man of God may be complete.

Now the means to get to the teaching of the scripture is deposited within the

church as they administer the keys of the kingdom and We use though

if the matters are settled in the scripture not in those who are speaking in the

church.

That's why of course I ended with that text in Acts 17 11.

They examine go check Paul.

They listen to Peter.

They listen to Paul, but ultimately they examine the scriptures and Paul calls that Noble

-mindedness more noble -minded than Thessalonica.

Well, guess what?

They were dying for the faith in Thessalonica, but even more noble -minded is to

get your faith from the scriptures through the means of grace but ultimately.

Amen, and neither are Councils and other

gatherings of prominent theologians to be our final arbiter, which is why

Athanasius was against nearly the entirety of the leadership of

the Catholic Church on the area of Arianism.

The teach the teaching that Christ was not truly God had become prominently even amongst

Catholic bishops and the phrase Athanasius contra mundum became a

phrase which meant Athanasius against the world.

Obviously that was hyperbole.

There were other people that agreed with him but a great number if not the

majority of the bishops were falling for this heresy and and Athanasius

was seemingly alone in his Protest against this and he was using the scriptures as the only

arbiter of truth.

You know Chris.

Oh you do you have about 20 minutes.

I.

Love your preaching so you don't have to stop doing that at all.

You

know,

they tried to trap him at the there in the gospel of man.

What's the greatest commandment?

Well, he just goes forward

with all your heart soul and mind your neighbors yourself.

There is down either city known say well if they they weren't able to catch him.

We are and they come with this question on the resurrection.

You're you're aware of it, of course.

Well, you believe in the resurrection we don't and.

Of course people say that's why they're sad you see but you we've all heard that joke.

But anyway, they say okay a man marries a woman that he dies and then Then another man marries

her and he dies.

You have seven men that marry her and they die.

Of course, it was a pretty stupid man, but that we won't go there and Whose wife is she in

the resurrection?

And here's what Jesus says you err because you do not know two things.

Our of God.

God's got the answer to this in eternity and number two you err because what you don't know the

scriptures.

Then he goes, of course the Bible says

that I am now

what's interesting is he answers perceive that they have

with the

twisting of scriptures and the errors

of appeal comes back to the scripture and he models this or

Jock and tittle is inspired

because it's he

says he makes the four years after

Abraham.

Well, he doesn't say I was the God of Abraham.

He says I am the God of Abraham.

Meaning Abraham he can't can

he be the God of the dead?

He is the God of the living.

He models the hill to the

scriptures in our matters of controversy and debate and establishing

Doctrine and then of course you go from the more that I'm not saying that everything but

you know Paul says Peter says that Paul writes of such things as in the rest of the scripture and some are

difficult to understand.

Well, how do you solve it?

Well again, let the scripture interpret the scripture.

You go to the clearer passage to affirm the more difficult passages and

understand them because the scripture cannot contradict itself and.

Again, you see the supremacy and sufficiency of the script.

Amen.

We have.

Let's see Ronald in South Central.

I'm sorry, that's Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County.

But first I'll go to Joseph and South Central, Pennsylvania.

Who has a question?

There has been a long time argument by Roman Catholics that we would not even

know what the books of the Bible are which are allegedly our

sole authority without the authority of the Church of Rome picking them and

discarding apocryphal books Gnostic books, etc.

And what I meant by a powerful I obviously did not mean The Apocryphal books that they

embraced in the Old Testament.

Called that that they call the deuterocanonical books, but how do you respond to this?

Assuming that we do

not We do not as we receive.

Yes.

There were

some of what

though

in the canon in his days from what he quotes and where he is in the canon of scripture

see over the scripture to establish the scripture or do we Receive

the scripture as it establishes.

I again appeal to them to take a few moments and Read the

end is

reached.

We do not originate the canon.

Well, thank you.

Joseph Keep spreading the word about iron trip and Zion radio in South Central, Pennsylvania.

We have Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, New York and

He says can we not rightly use the teachings that you are?

Providing for our listeners today.

To critique and rebuke our friends in the charismatic and Pentecostal movements as

well.

Because those that believe in a continuing revelation are Obviously

denying the authority of scripture alone and the sufficiency of yeah.

Oh, right,

right Biblical clarity and I and I hope I made this clear.

I do not be bad.

I'm saying Ultimately, whether it's a preacher a teacher

account the

measurement of its truth is not in the church.

But in the scripture itself now to this particular question.

Absolutely today.

Coming to me.

Oh me and

ism and

answered

no me

and ism

in the

gospel.

I mean in the book of Romans and in Romans 6, I've made the point that his response is an emotional

response.

It's an instructional theological response.

Actional applicatory response and so I have no problem with that with

emotions in Christianity.

In fact, I believe that I understand my

reform Brothers extend beyond Presbyterian.

So any of my reformed brothers reformed Baptist reformed Episcopal reformed

Pentecostal

Pentecostals that I clearly see

a work of Reformation going on.

I I have wonderful conversations with our free will Baptist friends and talking

about why.

Why you need to add D being a real a whole different ballgame.

Listen, I love all of that.

But here is ultimately that the fact is we are

Confessional because we believe the Bible is understandable.

It is sovereign it is it is our final rule of faith and practice our

Confessions may or may not be accurate but there to be measured by the scriptures

not by our Experience and not by our field.

Remember I just shared with our congregation.

I know most of you grew up with this God said it.

I Believe it.

I said, I understand what we're trying to say, so I'm not nitpicking.

But here's the way I would encourage you Reorder that statement.

God

said a man

thought you

respect the Declaration of

Hallelujah.

We have Susan Margaret and Dauphin County, Pennsylvania.

Who asked how do you respond to those that are typically among our?

Fundamentalist friends.

Who reject the idea that we should include quotations and

references to great heroes of the faith.

During sermons, they will criticize us saying that we are denying the sufficiency of

Scripture by including quotes by John Calvin by Jonathan Edwards by

George Whitfield by John Knox and We could go on and on and on.

But aren't these men just teachers who when they are in agreement with the scriptures

and Have spoken about it.

So eloquently We have every right to legitimately use them in Scripture

in I'm sorry in.

Preaching as long as they do not eclipse the scripture or dominate the messages

the questioners

Yes Weekends when they got

it Korean

and they get it right only

can speak

to make sure I give them in my

she the Questioner sir, if

I did

and I

am because they only quote them when I

think they line up with the scripture.

But even though I quote them That doesn't mean that you need to take their

their statement.

So it would like to draw a

distinction.

There are preachers and then there are preachers that God is anointed and and so yeah, I

Listen, I listen to a lot of preachers and some preachers I listen to more carefully than others.

Why.

Because they seem to get it right more often than others.

But I still buy the script.

Let me give you there's not

a bad preacher.

He didn't get it always right, but he was not a bad preacher.

Well, guess what?

He quoted Paul.

Yes, what Paul quoted others guess what the writer of Hebrews quoted others and

so this is.

It's fine for us to quote other.

Preachers and teachers must

be measured by the scriptures just like you're preaching and you're quoting but

yes.

We do it this way.

Just when you're preaching when you're quoting make sure people know that your

are being used or not.

To be considered as agents of revelation.

That is the Apostles and the prophets and God has finally spoken to us

Through his son and the and and those whom he is appointed.

Amen, and by the way, I'm sure that our listener Susan Margaret knows this but there

are many fundamentalists who also quote their favorite heroes in their sermons, I know a lot of

Independent fundamentalist Baptist for instance, and I've heard many of their sermons and I've heard them quote

men as well.

What.

What's interesting is they very often quote men.

Even some of them who are vehemently anti Calvinists they quote men as their heroes

who actually were thoroughgoing Calvinist and they don't even realize it and An excellent book to

prove that point is by my friend. Dr Tom Nettles called by his grace and for

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and it is filled with the accounts and the teachings and

legacies of prominent Baptist throughout history that are typically

lauded as Baptist heroes by independent fundamentalists and even anti Calvinists

who were Thoroughgoing Reformed Christians, so I just thought I'd throw that in there because it's an

excellent book whether you're a Baptist or not.

Sure, I did long ago

from

when I deal

with them that day.

How many of you believe.

Oh.

Well, then that means you may not be directly quoting someone but you are

you are formulating something from someone.

Who taught you you did was faithful to the scripture?

You may directly quote them or you may formulate something that actually is drawn from what you were taught.

So if we can need to do what you

and what you've learned keep on learning.

No, you're just letting people know from whom you're learning, but they

are not in the arena of revelation.

They are in the arena of illumination.

And so that's what it was amazing.

I in the sermon

to any of the Reformers I Affirmed covenant theology and the sovereignty of God and the doctrine

of election.

Something this group would formally be opposed to but I'm getting a man's

always what it is.

I think they love the word and if you can present the word in a way that they're dealing with the word.

They're kind of forced into a corner to say amen in.

And That was I'm assuming one of the friendly

debates you had with dr. Sproul who apparently opposed that

Apologetic method and even wrote a book with the late dr. John Gerstner his mentor

about it.

We tried to get presented a

presuppositional, but also what is presented as evidential apologetics.

He tried to distance from both of them.

Okay, and I'm really warms my heart that you were invited to preach at a function

organized by independent fundamentalists and One brother who is now in

eternity with Christ.

Who did that frequently?

Was I don't know if you were familiar as I was with my dear friend The late

Richard Bennett who was a former Roman Catholic priest Who was saved by the grace and

mercy of Christ and became a reformed Baptist apologist but he was frequently invited by independent fundamentalist

Baptists to speak and The the churches would echo loudly with

amens even though Our dear brother Richard

Bennett was a thoroughgoing Calvinist and even opposed the altar call system very

vociferously, but.

I grew up as a child in the in the years where the very same groups would quote a W

pink and Claim a W pink.

All right,

right and

have

him speak.

Amen.

And I know two brethren who came to embrace the doctrines of sovereign grace By

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crawled on his stomach Under a bed looking for it because they had to read it again after their

initial Reaction of revulsion and then after the second reading the Lord used it to

bring them to accept and fall in love with those teachings.

That's it.

The power of God's Word.

And if God.

I'm gonna ask a listener question and have you answer it when we return from our final break.

We have an anonymous listener who says That I am

hearing textual critics like the agnostic Bart Ehrman who was once an

evangelical Christian and even considered a Rising star

by his mentor. Dr. Metzger Who is now denying the scripture and

is making powerful arguments?

That the scriptures cannot be considered trustworthy Because they contradict

themselves so frequently.

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Dr.

Reader before the break a listener was asking for a good response

to those that begin to challenge the trustworthiness of Scripture by

introducing alleged contradictions.

And of course, it's especially it can be tragically a more powerful argument when someone

who was once an Evangelical that was even considered a rising star amongst us

by his mentor. Dr. Metzger.

When when they are making these arguments, they can be even more successfully deceptive in

the hands of Satan to trick our precious people

who are intrigued about the Bible and perhaps even professed to be Christians, but tell us about this.

Well,

just a couple of

thoughts coming to him for quotes.

He said the whole is that he went to RC.

In RC is smart to

know my role and my gift in the

world is not automatic in being able to speak Accurately,

and when you put people forward too quickly, sometimes things

go to know what all happened in the life of dr Ehrman.

I do I am aware of it's honestly

When people have brought them and I problem in restoring their

confidence in the scripture.

Not because of my abilities but just because.

Again, I argue from the sufficiency and sovereignty of scripture and when someone brings to me

It do is just from the authority of scripture.

I don't argue to I argue from the authority of scripture and

that the and Therefore to me and I am

certainly one of my

friends is

really the power of the Word of God.

And I meet

those who have walked away from the faith.

They are either in a position of God about to discipline them to bring them back or they are revealing they

were never in the faith savingly to begin with

undergirding that is either the scent of pride enroll

therefore by By being a contrarian than

a hearing that they wouldn't have gained Normal life and expect

believer and then secondly, I'm not

necessarily speaking of sexual immorality I just mean moral

reasons of

ethics is our off

to the of course in the

Christianity we are called the and to govern it by

ethics.

And so I found that so many times there is an ethical underpinning issue in the

issues of apostasy.

So therefore I tried to do two things and that this is where I would just give my

final answer to this.

Whenever I never fall into the trap people say to me well I praise the Lord for people who try to

win the person and not the argument in apologetics and And then

and I think that's a false dichotomy.

I believe we can by the power of the Spirit walk and chew gum at the same time I tried to win the

person and I tried to wait because I know there's an issue in their life Somewhere so I want

to win the person and The argument.

I want to win the argument for their sake and for the sake of young believers that are listening.

That they know that that needs to be done.

Secondly, I tried to win them.

I think you can do both that's why the Proverbs back -to -back verses says do not answer a

fool according to his folly and then Answer the fool according to his folly lest he be

wise in his own estimation.

Well, do you answer him or not answer them?

The answer is yes, you answer them, but not according to their worldview answer them according

to the Word of God but don't answer them according to their worldview with them and

win the argument and that's what God calls us to do and that's what in those

cases with such individuals and Honestly the ones I've been brought and from reading of

him actually, I think there are really more Powerful antagonists, but no matter what

to the faith, but I've been no matter what I think you you answer from the authority of the scriptures

that may mean you need to go away for a while and Study and try to answer it rightly

and not just off the top of your head, but do so respectfully Thoughtfully

gently yet boldly and courageously.

Winning the you proclaim the truth, but also

attempting to win them at one in the same time.

Amen, and we're out of time and I want to repeat the website for Briarwood Presbyterian Church in Birmingham,

Alabama.

It's Briarwood org Briarwood org and also if you want to find out more about the

sufficient word Conference, which is the upcoming Quaker town conference on reform

theology at Grace Bible Fellowship Church in Quaker Town, Pennsylvania November 11th and the 12th Featuring

Dan Doriani Richard Phillips and our guest today Harry reader.

Go to Alliance net org Alliance net org and click on events.

I want to thank you so much Dr. Reader for being once again such a superb guest.

I want to thank everybody who listened and I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ

Is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.

Amen.