Part 2 of Woke Church "Debate" - PhD Weights In

Alright, let's get started today.

I hope you had a good and productive week.

I definitely had a good week before we get into the video man.

I've been so lucky so Tuesday I went out fishing and early early early and

Had horrible luck so I was like I'm gonna go home I was like you know what let me let me let me see I could find another

spot so I kind of went to a place where I knew there was a little brook whatever and I found a spot and

Since then I've just been slaying trout like crazy.

I took the kids to the spot.

I'm so proud of him my oldest son here.

He caught the biggest trout any of us have ever caught this is about a pound just a little little bit a little bit.

Under a pound and it's 13 inches is the biggest trout.

We've ever caught.

This is our first rainbow trout, too.

So it's really good this week.

We've got got our first rainbow trout.

And then I'm proud of my my middle son here because he was we were having a hard time getting him one.

I really wanted to get him one too.

So he says hey dad switch from the pink lure to the orange one.

And so we did that and he got a brook trout on his first cast and he was just so excited it was a great time,

then I took out my youngest son today and He needs one -on

-one attention if you know what I mean.

So I took just him out and he got two rainbow trout.

And he was just so pumped here.

He is in his normal personality trying to block the camera with his hat.

Of course he has to touch the fish too.

He's all about that kind of stuff, but he got two rainbow trout.

He reeled him in himself and everything and dad still gets the hooks out.

You know that kind of thing, but it was a lot of fun.

And so just a very very blessed time.

So let's get into this debate.

So we're gonna talk about Rebecca McLaughlin's section of the debate.

I'm gonna try not to cut and stop and comment as much this time around.

But there's actually two things I want to mention about this my brother.

He doesn't watch all my videos.

But he did watch the one I did about this this this debate and he agreed with most of it.

And one thing he said was that even the title of the debate tells you their whole scam, right?

It's it's just controlled opposition one way up up one side down the other and he said look

is woke church a Stepping stone to theological compromise it assumes that these

woke church people are actually legitimate.

You know conservative Bible believing Christians and they just want to do the right thing.

Love your neighbor and it's like but maybe like maybe one day.

They'll it'll be a stepping stone to heresy and it's like see that's the scam though.

No, no, they're there.

They're believing heretical ideas right now.

They're overturning the law of God right now.

They're a danger to the church right now.

It's not like maybe one day they get a few stepping stones and then they'll be they'll be they'll be

problem.

No, no, they're a problem now.

And it's just so it's just so funny how even the title telegraphs this play so ridiculously

stupidly he also mentioned the fact that.

You know, they got this guy Sean Demers just like I said in the video yesterday.

Because he's out there going up all these crazy, you know, I'm really concerned about this and that these crazy things.

It could be a stepping stone to that and he's like, but they're doing all of this right now.

It's like that's the lie.

That's the lie that gospel coalition not Demers because I'm not saying Demers is lying I'm saying gospel coalition is that that's

stuff that they're not doing the crazy stuff and all of that now here that brings me to The disagreement my brother had with me

because I said at the end of last video I said I bet you Rebecca McLaughlin's gonna be really woke.

I have not seen her section yet.

So, I don't know if this is the case.

But once my brother said that he disagreed with me on that it made perfect sense.

He said I don't think she's gonna be that woke.

I think she's gonna probably be like, oh, yeah well that I'm concerned with the Zim Zayser too and I'm I'm

concerned with the dragonkin too and and and and and you know, The segregated fellowship.

I'm concerned with the with the college is segregating too.

And so she's gonna come across very reasonable because that completes the scam, right?

So Demers is gonna say Oh, yeah, you know, you know, we're all Christians here and then she's gonna be like, well, yeah,

I'm totally concerned.

So like we're totally in the same page, even though obviously She's woke, but she's not gonna

present that way.

That's what my brother predicts.

He hasn't seen this either and so we'll see what happens here.

That makes too much sense for it not to be the case.

She's gonna come across very reasonable.

She's not gonna she's not gonna really talk about the real issues here and all of that.

Let's see.

Maybe he's wrong.

Maybe I'm wrong.

I don't know, but I thought she was gonna you know I'm gonna stick with my guns.

She's gonna come across woke.

All right, let's do it.

Thank you, you're welcome.

You're welcome.

Oh, by the way, somebody somebody in the comments section I've already I've already interrupted.

She hasn't even spoken yet.

Someone in the comments section got pretty mad.

He was like what so so women can't debate either like what a stretch and it's like well, no I'm not saying

women can't debate.

Of course, they can debate.

They're intelligent enough to debate.

I'm just saying they shouldn't debate.

It's dirty work.

It's not it's not it's not the proper place for a woman.

It's like boxing, right?

Can a woman box?

Yeah a woman can box but she obviously shouldn't box because that goes against femininity

to be a boxer or an MMA fighter or a Politician or any this is this is dirty work.

It's men's work.

I don't want a woman, you know In the in the in the sewers, you know cleaning the septics,

you know the sewers any more than I want a woman, you know being a Hard -hitting

politician or you know, or debater or boxer?

I just it's just not the proper Role station.

It's just it just goes against their nature to be doing this kind of stuff.

And that's.

Simple as that our

question today is is wokeness a stepping stone to theological compromise.

No, but before I address that question, I want to ask another one.

Our drugs bad for you.

I could spend the next 10 minutes presenting a very compelling case that drugs are killing people in America every day.

They are breaking down families.

They are ravaging mental health.

Drugs are extremely bad for you.

But at the end of that 10 minutes, my guess is that somebody stand up and say Right now I'm taking drugs for

my heart condition.

And my doctor say that if I stop taking them, I'll be dead within a week.

We cannot address this question if We do not carefully define what we mean by the word

woke.

And in many of our conversations today the definition of woke is Being as

confused as that definition of drugs where we are not distinguishing between life -saving medication and.

Cocaine, I want to but okay, so I've already broken my promise.

Whatever.

I was I just I just promised I would try but in any case.

Right, but but so she of course she's right if we're gonna be scientifically defining these things.

We need to be careful blah blah blah blah blah.

But if you're in a debate and it's a debate about criminal justice and stuff like that and you say, you

know Our drugs illegal and it's like, you know, the context that we're in kind of determines

what drugs mean.

So obviously I'm not talking about aspirin if I'm at a criminal justice, you know, you know.

Symposium or something like that and so so let's just stop the pretense of this nonsense like

how we don't know what we're talking about when we're talking about woke we.

We got to define it because nobody knows everybody knows exactly what we're talking about and

it's like Obviously some people will define it a little bit different and stuff like that.

But pretty much it's like when it's like when when someone says hey be a man, you know grow, you know be a man.

You know find your big boy pants and it's time to act like a man and people are like well

What is a man after how does a man act.

Hmm, I mean David sang song so what what how do you define man?

It's like Are you insane?

Interacts like I'll tell you who interacts like this is people that are trying to pull the wool over your eyes.

Interact like that.

I suppose that we do three things as we step into this conversation.

First we must define second we must repent and Third

we must believe.

So first we must define now.

Sean offered us one definition of wokeness or Perhaps various definitions of

weakness that exist on one side of a conversation.

I Want to start With a more original definition of wakeness as that word was

originally used.

That word woke was originally used to mean being awake aware

of Alive to the history of racial injustice in this country, and I want to say when it comes to

that definition God have mercy on us if we are not woke.

God have mercy on us if we are not aware of alive to the history of

racial oppression in this country.

When I was in seminary one of my professors said that as we look back over the last 2 ,000 years of Christian history

and As we look at every potential heresy that has come to the church What we'll notice is that

theologians have had to carefully distinguish Between two things that look quite similar or are spoken of

in similar ways.

And as we enter these conversations, we must define what we mean and almost more importantly We must ask other

people what they mean.

We must stop using our definitions of woke or definitions of woke that we have imported from other

places To define what our brothers and sisters in Christ might be meaning when they use that language.

No BCB because the thing is like this is this is this is the whole scam here like She's now are

she's now taking the the argument out of what it's about, right?

So who cares about if you call yourself woke or not?

What we're talking about is what you say about race, right?

So being aware of racial oppression is you know, okay I'm aware of racial oppression as well.

But being aware of it in such a way that it's like well racism never goes away.

It just it just changes form and and even if there's no evidence of it, you know, you guys like kovat.

There's no way there's no symptoms, but you definitely have it.

It's like it's like the same kind of nonsense.

It's like so so she's taking that so what what you gotta you gotta carefully, you know, someone's you know says

they're woke.

You gotta carefully discern decipher if they're really woken that way.

Maybe this way we're woken that way.

It's like no, no I'm talking about the people that you know, the minute they see the next but you know, police shooting a black

guy.

Oh my god, it's a racist.

It's a racist.

That's what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about that kind of thing.

In any case and again like the whole idea being presented here is that nobody's careful about this.

Nobody's actually, you know saying the right, you know.

The right version of wokeness and that's just that's all a smokescreen, you know, yes, we know that the beauty on your

wheelies woke.

Yes, we know that Matt Chandler is woke.

Yes.

We know that Tim Keller's woke.

Yes, we know and they're actually woke but these guys want to say well, well, well, well, we're not woke like that and so

therefore.

That's just it's just crazy.

I think a lot of this is pretending to be obtuse, too It's like they're pretending like they're pretending to be stupid.

Like I just saw a Jared Wilson tweet.

And it was saying how like hey, I didn't I didn't have you know

warning churches about abusers is liberalism on my bingo card like, you know trying to say that like like

The reason people oppose some of the stuff that's going on in the SBC right now is because they think that

Warning the church about abusers.

That's liberalism and bad like he's actually not that stupid Jared Wilson's conniving.

That's why he said that he said he said that because he'll get a lot of attaboys and pats in the back and he'll be in the cool

kids club but he doesn't actually think that Tom Askell thinks that warning churches about abusers in a legitimate

way is Actually liberalism.

That's not he's just pretending to be stupid.

That's the thing.

He's pretending to be stupid.

He's actually not stupid.

Or might be meaning when they themselves are talking about the history of racial injustice in this country.

Instead we must do each other the courtesy of Allowing brothers and sisters to define

what they mean and Not to swing a club at them sadly

often the club of critical race theory.

To silence or discredit any legitimate critique that we might be hearing.

So again, this is the scam, right?

Because because this is the scam that people will often say about me that it's and the way they speak about me.

Is that I just woke up one day and I just started hating on gospel coalition.

I was like, you know today I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna go from being a gospel coalition supporter to being a gospel coalition hater.

Today, I'm gonna go from liking Tim Keller to hating Tim Keller like and that's just I woke up one day and I started swinging.

The clamor.

Ah, no, no for months and years.

We've heard you out and that's the problem for months and years and and and

all of this.

We've heard you out again and again and again and again and you guys are saying stupid

stuff like wow.

You know that you know how we know that racism is still a problem.

It's because white households have an average income of sixty thousand dollars and black households

have an average income of thirty thousand dollars.

That's racist and we in that's stupid.

That's actually not racist.

That's actually socialist and Marxist and all this kind of stuff.

And so we've heard you say this and we've heard you explain your stupidity and we've heard you explain your

stupidity.

Again and again and again and again and again and again and we've been long suffering with it.

And we've been patient with it and we've been you know, we've asked questions.

In fact, Rebecca, you know, I'm sure you know this because you're in these circles.

But very regularly people will start asking questions to their own pastor or you know, maybe their favorite, you know

Public theologian or whatever and they get stonewalled and shut down and say essentially

touch not the lord's anointed.

Who are you to criticize what I say?

This is what happened to me.

This is what happened to me.

I started saying, you know.

That Matt Chandler thing.

I used to bend watch watch my old Matt Chandler content.

I used to bend over backwards to be respectful.

I was like, you know, Matt Chandler, you know.

He's been so impactful to me.

He's been so helpful to me and I just get so much value out of his stuff.

I'm, just not so sure about this white privilege talk that doesn't really seem to come from the scripture.

That seems to come from Robin DiAngelo.

You know for example.

And the minute I said something like that, it's like how dare you ad like who are you?

I I lost friends in real life.

For daring to criticize Matt Chandler and Russell Moore and to and to ask questions about this stuff.

People have been disowned from their friends people have been uh excommunicated from their churches effectively because nobody does

real excommunication anymore.

People are too cowardly for that.

Um.

We this presentation it's like all of us just one day started saying critical race theory.

You woke and we're just like we're just maniacs just slopping people's heads off.

No, no.

That's not the way it is we've we've been long suffering when it comes to this and we're still Long suffering when it comes to this

i've had it with the leadership like I I don't I don't I don't.

There's no quarter for the leadership in my opinion anymore.

I don't pull any punches if you're a leader and you're leading people astray.

I I I get after it.

Right, but i've got i'm so long suffering with people that I know in real life.

You know regular people online that are just you know, they've been led astray and I can tell where they're confused.

I have Patience for days for people like that.

I have no patience for gospel coalition because they're the ones That have pulled the wool over so many

people's eyes.

They're the wolves in sheep's clothing.

They're the ones who know what they're saying and they're pretending to be obtuse.

They're pretending to be stupid to be up stupid to be stupid.

But they're really just conniving wolves.

And to be honest the way this presentation has I don't really know much about rebecca mclaughlin.

And I i'm not going to ever learn much about her because who cares?

But the way this presentation has started is extremely conniving.

Extremely.

So that's my first point.

We must define.

My second point is that we must repent.

And when I say we here I'm speaking as a white Evangelical the very

premise of our question is woke church a stepping stone to theological compromise.

Presumes that we are not already theologically compromised.

Sean and I both agree that we are.

I'm not woke at all, but i'm speaking as a white woman.

And i'm speaking as a beautiful brown latino male.

I forgive you white people.

I do.

I absolve you all of your racial sins against me and my people.

But I believe that if we look at the history of our forebears in the church We

will find a history of profound theological compromise.

We must repent of the sins of our white.

Uh evangelicals of the past.

It's like yeah, you're not woke at all because yeah.

You're repenting of sins.

You didn't do as if you did do them.

Uh, because you're definitely not woke at all.

When it comes to questions of race, I don't even know what woke is.

We will find a history of slavery a history of segregation a history of

explicit racial prejudice and discrimination built into our legal systems.

All the systemic racism the systemic racism is in every it's it's indiscernible.

But it's there and you can tell it's there because of the the the discrepancies and

the the the irregularities.

And it's like dude like.

Everybody knows what woke is.

We all get it and and most tragically.

We will find a history of white christians who look and sound like me.

Being not not you they don't sound like you.

They sound more like me.

Probably not you though.

You sound like a brit deeply complicit in this.

Now you might say well I I wasn't there I wasn't I wasn't there when

people from my country the united kingdom were transporting millions of.

Enslaved people from africa to america.

I wasn't there.

They didn't sound like you though.

They sounded like yankees or southerners.

You might say I I wasn't there look like me.

Maybe they look like you but they didn't sound like you.

So that's enough of that.

Maybe maybe she didn't say that I don't know.

During the period of jim crow laws and segregation.

You might say I I wasn't there when thousands of black americans were being lynched.

While white folk who may have been in church that morning were bringing their kids to watch black people

being strung up on trees and tortured and mutilators.

See, this is this is a part of the woke scam, right?

They get your emotions going and stuff like this and you know I've i've come to terms with this kind of stuff a long time ago, you know.

As a beautiful brown man, I had to uh, I I did experience some racism.

Uh when I was a younger boy and I I knew about this kind of stuff and things like that.

But you know eventually you got to get over it, right?

Eventually you do got to get over it because if you allow yourself to be um Perpetually

depressed about our the racial injustice of the past and stuff like that.

Um I gotta be honest with you.

I I don't think we're meant to to stew in that and live in that forever.

Uh, I don't think that we are and so you continuing to bring it up I know you're trying to do the right thing.

You think you're you think you're doing good.

Um, you're not you're not doing good.

You're not doing anyone any good to to constantly remind them how much of a victim they are and stuff like that.

You see this is why this is why you know, honestly, we we shouldn't have uh women in leadership in this way because women.

Uh, this is natural for a woman to want to coddle and to want to make everything okay.

I've said this many times but you know when my kids get hurt and they've got the choice.

Between coming to me or their mother.

They know they're gonna get more comfort.

They're gonna get more um.

My mom their mom's gonna make everything.

Okay, right?

And of course if mom's not around they'll come to me being because I also can do that.

But it's just much it's much better coming from a woman.

You see this is the reality like.

Like like it's not helpful and I tell my wife this uh, uh, uh regularly like.

It's not helpful to to always be there to solve our kids problems.

They need to figure out how to solve it themselves.

Sometimes they need to figure out how to how to grit their teeth sometimes when they fall and skin their

knees.

And move on right they they do need to figure out how to do that.

They need to know how to walk it off or shake it off or whatever it is.

Um, that's necessary right but to a woman it doesn't come naturally and so, you know.

That's something we work through and all that kind of thing.

Um,.

And so it's not helpful.

It's not helpful to be constantly reminding, you know black people about how they're victims and how they're just.

They're treated awful in the past and they're still being treated awful.

They're it's just not true either.

So they're it's not true anymore.

Um, and so for you to do this, it's just uh, it's disrespectful.

It's condescending.

Um, you're not our mother so stop trying to act like it.

Um, and it's it doesn't do us any favors.

I thank god for my father because my father Never allowed me to stew in this kind of thing and my father

experienced real racism.

I remember i've told this story as well.

My father ran for congress as a republican in uh in connecticut.

And he ran against this democrat and there was a white man at our church that wrote him this horrific

Horrifically racist letter.

Um, who do you think you are?

You need to go back to the island, you know, how dare you run against this this, you know woman and his name.

This one was named barbara cannelli who look a lot like you.

She looked a lot like you.

Is that is that is that british?

I don't know.

Um.

Anyway, so and and I never I never knew about this letter.

Until I was an adult my father refused to let me play this victim.

He refused to let me be this person.

That's just oh the world's out to get me and stuff like that I thank god I had that father because I could easily be woke.

I know I could I know I could Um in any case by the way that that that issue got resolved

in the church, right?

Yeah, it was a it was a pretty bad thing.

But then you know a few days later this man reached out to my dad and he said, you know I don't know where that came from.

I'm, so sorry.

I said that letter I mean, obviously i've got hatred in my heart and you know all that and it was squashed it was over.

My dad could have could have could have played the victim and he could have rode that to to some kind of you know

Sympathy vote or something and you know what?

My dad did he didn't tell a freaking soul except for my mother.

He didn't tell a soul except for my mother anyway

I just I it does burn me up to be perfectly honest.

We were having a good time here but but I just I hate that I really do hate that this.

This mentality of you think you're helping you're actually just making things worse for us.

Just just leave us alone.

How about that?

Wasn't there.

You might say I wasn't there when a six -year -old black girl named ruby bridges walked into an all -white

elementary school.

While hundreds of white parents shouted racial slurs at her.

Issued death threats against her.

And while she god bless her heart prayed for their forgiveness because that's what she'd been raised by her christian parents to do.

You might say I wasn't there, but you know what?

Our parents were.

Our grandparents were.

Our great grandparents were if you like me are a white evangelical.

This is our tribe.

And god have mercy on us if we do not repent.

Third.

We must believe.

Now sean very helpfully pointed out to us That for many people today this idea of

wokeness Is is not just a conversation about racial justice.

It is a conversation in which questions of same -sex sexuality and gender identity have been all mixed

together.

And when it comes to these conversations one of the most powerful arguments that our progressive friends might

make.

Run something like this.

Just like you white christians used your bibles to defend segregation in schools in the 60s.

So now you're using your bibles To oppose gay marriage and transgender identities for believers

until we realize that the the first part of that claim is correct.

We're going to have no moral legs to stand on as we address the second.

But the the problem with the white 60s segregationist was not that they were too christian.

This is amazing.

So this is this is something actually that ligand duncan said as well in a different way um, but it's like well, you

know if we're gonna if we're gonna stand against the lgbt and you know, the Transgender, you know

Transvestites and stuff like that.

Well, we have to acknowledge this.

We have to get we have to get a little woke because otherwise our kids are going to become gay.

That's what ligand said.

He was worried that his kids were gonna become gay or get influenced by the gay movement or something like that.

And it's like pragmatically we gotta you know, be a little woke.

It's like because the thing is they must be talking about getting woke because every person on the planet

Acknowledges the racial injustices of the past every person i'm the least woke person you could find

probably, you know this side of the mississippi maybe not but

but uh Obviously I acknowledge racial injustice of the past bc what she's saying is.

And this is the this is the scam too like they want to import All the rest of it too.

It's like not only acknowledge it but also fix it the way we tell you to.

So you got to correct these just racial disparities economic disparities you got to position people into power.

You got to you know, add blackness to your your qualifications for elder and stuff like that.

It's like that's really what's being said here.

You got to import everything.

You can't just Understand the past you've actually got to accept our woke solutions as well.

And this is a huge scam.

I'm gonna have to end it here because i've got I forgot about a call that I have to do.

Um, but in any case um.

This is this is a this is a this is a tactic right because I don't think that these kinds of folks are

going to stand against the Gay movement and the transvestite movement and all this kind of stuff, you know.

They're going to be the ones that are like, oh, yeah, you know tranny pronouns use them and stuff like that.

Um, they're going to be the ones and they're already doing that.

So this is just a tactic to get conservatives to be like, well, you see you're scared of gay people, right?

So you're scared of gay people taking over so you got to get a little woke and it's all that kind of thing.

So, uh, I guess i'll i'll i'll come back to this.

I don't I don't really know if I will or not because I don't know.

I just don't like it.

We'll see we'll see um.

But anyway, uh, hope you had a great week again and hope you have a good lord's day tomorrow.

And also, I hope you found this video helpful.

God bless.