Dr. James White Tee's Off on Ole AD - Attempt To Reframe Continues

Alright everybody, welcome back to the channel. It is Tuesday, November 19th, year of our

Lord 2024. It's a great day, that's for sure. It is a wonderful day. It's actually my anniversary, so happy anniversary to my wife,

Brittany. What I thought we'd do is, you know,

I heard from a few people that this, the end of the most recent dividing line was about me, without naming me, so you know,

I'm familiar with that particular strategy. So it always gives you a little bit of uncertainty, although a lot of times people that deploy this strategy, they're a little bit too specific for it to be anybody else.

It's just a disrespectful kind of thing that they do to, I don't know, I guess it makes them feel better.

I try to not do this, you know, I've, in my life, like I've done this before, but usually when

I do it, it's in a particular context and time where I'm talking about a specific issue, and then like one tweet in there will not mention the person, you know, that same day.

So I try not to do this ever. I try to directly, you know, respond to and react with, you know, with individuals.

But, you know, I'm familiar with this particular strategy. So what I thought we'd do is we'd watch it. It's only 10 minutes or so.

And based on the sweater alone, I've heard part of this in a clip, and I didn't know if it was about me or not, we'll see.

But, you know, it's, I wanted to, I wanted to just kind of add some additional information here about this whole sad affair.

So yeah, that's the intro. Let's get started. Right, yeah, let's just jump right into it.

It's 10 minutes. I'm going to listen to it at normal speed. So I don't want this to be too long. Let's just go for it. One last thing, and then we got to run.

Let's do it. Let's do it. There's a bunch of stuff going on right now.

I've even seen that supposedly today, there is going to be, someone's going to be doing a webcast on the

Joel Webb and Tobias Riemenschneider. I don't know why you can't say Riemenschneider. All right,

I'm back. I just had to pause it for a second there. So just so everybody knows, and you know,

Dr. White, I have a feeling you will listen to this, at least the beginning. I can say Riemenschneider, but I've got a little schtick on the old channel, where if there's a person that I do not respect,

I mispronounce their name intentionally. Now, I'm not above mispronouncing words and names accidentally, but in this case, it's definitely intentional.

And you know, the thing with Tobias is, you know, I don't know much about him. You know what

I mean? I found out who he was, I don't know, weeks, months ago. I'm not really sure. But I really only have two pieces of context for evaluating him as a man.

The first one is your word, and not just you, James, but a few other people's word, that he's a good guy.

So that's one piece of information. But the thing is, every single action I've ever seen him do, which is not much, but you know, everything that I've seen from him has been shameful, and messed up, and evil, and wrong, and it's just been bad all the way through.

So I've got, you know, your testimony that he's a good guy, but then I've got lots of information that he's not such a good guy.

So I don't really have any respect for him. It's as simple as that. So, you know, Tobias Ragerschmack, you know,

I mean, I can pronounce his name, I choose not to. It's my shtick. Controversy.

And this is from someone who has zero knowledge of any of this stuff, but they're going to do a webcast.

Please don't. Let me, let me try this one more time. You know,

I've heard this is about me, but that doesn't sound like me.

So I wonder, I wonder. Because surely, surely Doug knows that I know about this situation.

You know, I've got, I mean, I don't know everything about the situation, but I know about the situation. I've even met in real life the person who's at the center of this controversy, the member at Joel's church.

I've met the man, I've spoken to him, I've shared a drink with him, you know, that kind of thing. So, I mean, that doesn't really sound like me.

Maybe this isn't about me. We'll see. To all of you out there that are stoking the fires and putting up webcasts and everything else,

I've said this before, Pastor Riemenschneider, Tobias, within a day or two of when, you know, when, when he posted his webcast and then the controversy started.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. There is, there's, there's no way, absolutely no way that you're going to be allowed to reframe how this all went down.

That, that is, that is not how it went down. If you just listen to that, what you, what you're going to get is that this fire started and people are, you know, stoking the fire.

And it started when Tobias posted his video against Joel, which, which, by the way,

I think people forget that the nature of that video. Like I've talked to a and, and, you know, even in the chats and stuff like that.

And I'm not talking about Doug. I talked to Doug yesterday. This is not part of our conversation, but I think people forget like the, the, that was like a, that was a haymaker, you know,

Tobias came out swinging, trying to end Joel's entire career. It was a big fail.

I mean, it was a, it was a sloppy haymaker, but it was a aimed to do destruction. Like that video it was an intense video in which

Joel Webbin was identified as a key figure in the rise of antisemitism and Jew hatred in the church.

He wasn't pulling punches. He went in, but, and I think people forget that, like that was a, that was a aggressive video, but that's not even where this started.

Like, let's not reframe this. Like that video was, was in a context. Here's what actually happened.

What actually happened is a while back, I don't know how long pastor Tobias reached out to Joel because he was allegedly concerned with the state of this young man's soul.

And so they reached out, they talked about it. And and then he wasn't pleased with that conversation.

That wasn't enough for him, which by the way, all that was legitimate. Like if, if you've got an ex -pastor who's concerned with your soul, legitimately in his mind, it's okay for him to reach out to your current pastor to check in, you know, to maybe give him a heads up to talk it over.

That's all fine. Nothing's wrong with that. I think that should be standard, but then that's not all that happens.

And then after that call, he started tattletaling on, on Joel about, about how, you know, this and that.

And he started telling Dr. James White, he started telling, you know, Doug Wilson, and then those men produced a blog post and a, and a video.

Dr. White, you produced a video, which in which you threatened Joel Webbin. And I know you don't like how

I characterize things, but that's what it was. It was a threat. You said, don't make me name names. I'll name the names.

It's a threat. So then that happened. And then Tobias went on a number of explaining the situation, talking about how

Joel is this and that, and, and, and those kinds of things. And then only then, only then, this is not a fight we wanted.

Only then did Joel respond to that stuff. So that's actually how it went down. There was a lot behind the scenes that happened before this, that led to Joel producing a video, defending himself against all of these accusations, against your accusations as well.

And then Tobias kicked off his response to that. That's not where it started. That's where it kind of blew up, but that's not how it started.

Look, you're not going to get to reframe how this went down. You're not going to get to rewrite history. People, people really do.

Like, honestly, I've had a number of conversations where people forget how this all went down. And it's, it's almost as if Joel started, he went looking for a fight.

He's a troublemaker and nothing could be further from the truth. Tobias's response video was a response to a response.

It was Tobias's action. There's exactly one person responsible for this forest fire, for this bar fight.

And that's Tobias. He's responsible. And he hasn't done, he hasn't lifted one finger to, to stop it, to, to, to, to, to try to cool it off.

He's done nothing. That that's how this has gone down. There's no, nobody else is responsible for the bar fight, except Tobias.

And he was trading on your name and Doug's name and Joe boots name and all.

Who's the other guy? I keep forgetting. Who's the other guy? Oh, uh,

Scott, Scott O 'Neill, Scott O 'Neill. He was the other one. He was trading on their influence.

And look, guys, you've earned your influence. You've earned your influence. And he knew that. And he, and he used your influence to put, produce his video full of lies, which was taken down in a day.

It was taken down in a day. That's how bad it was. That's how full of lies it was.

It was removed in a day. So let's not rewrite history here.

I'm not going to allow you to, to, to reframe this. It's not us that are keeping the fire going. It's the refusal, the absolute refusal for Tobias to own the

L take it and retract his statements. Joel Webbin turns out he actually isn't the key figure in the rise of antisemitism and Jew hatred in the reform church.

Oops. I mean, at least if he said that, like it wouldn't be enough, obviously, but at least

I would say, yeah, you know, he's at least done something to stop the fire from burning to maybe cool down the bar fight, but he hasn't he's done nothing.

And so the fight continues. That's how it goes. That's the reality. The recording started floating.

Well, bits of the recording started floating around. Whoever released that first is responsible for everything that came afterwards.

Not true. Not true at all. Because the recording look, maybe, maybe

Joel should share the recording. Maybe he shouldn't have. Maybe Tobias should have recorded it on his own.

Maybe he shouldn't have. I don't really care about any of that. Joel was smart enough to record it. And the reason the reason why he recorded it presented itself because eschatology matters.

Heard the recording like, oh, wow, this video is full of lies. I'm going to retract it.

They did the right thing. They did the right thing. Unsung hero in this whole thing. And so,

I mean, look, should we share that with Tobias? Should we give it to him willingly?

Like my opinion was and is no. No, we shouldn't have.

Because you got to remember at the time, trust was at an all time low. Tobias had just tried to destroy

Joel's career. Why would we give him another tool to do just that? Showing no signs of repentance, no signs of regret, no signs of, man,

I kind of maybe went a little overboard in the rhetoric. None of that. Why would we give him more ammunition to load up another haymaker?

You know what I mean? He just swang on the right. Why would we help him out with the left? Doesn't make any sense.

It doesn't make any sense. So that's why you didn't get the recording. That's why he didn't want to give it to you. Because he doesn't trust you,

Tobias. And you can whine about that all day long. I mean, tough luck. Tough luck.

I don't have to help you try to destroy me. Whoever gave the recording or snippets of the recording from the beginning, even though the young man this is about did not want that to happen, you're responsible for all this.

You are. You know, I predicted this. I predicted, and if you go back in my videos, you can find this prediction accurately, predicted this accurately, that what would happen is that they would try to reframe this conversation, right?

Because Tobias produced a video full of lies that was deleted in a day because it was full of lies.

So that was an L. And I predicted that what would happen is that they would try to reframe this conversation to make it about, it wasn't so much about Tobias's lies.

That's old news. Now we're going to make it about the response to the lies. The response went overboard.

The response was out to lunch and all this kind of stuff. I predicted that that would happen. That's exactly what's happening here.

You see, what he wants to do is forget about Tobias's lies in the video that was deleted within a day because it was full of lies.

Forget about all that. Didn't happen. Who's responsible for this fire is not

Tobias. It's all of the people afterwards responding to the lies and reacting to the lies.

I'm sorry. We're not going to be fooled by that. We're not going to allow you to reframe that. That is not what this is about.

Now we could talk about that separately and I'm willing to talk about that because I'll tell you what my perspective is.

I'll just tell you right now. My perspective is, I thought to myself, man,

Tobias produced an awful video. I mean, on the face of it, nobody should have been fooled by it. It was obviously full of nonsense, but it seems like some people were fooled by it.

How do I respond to this? And I thought to myself, why are people being fooled by this preposterous presentation?

And I thought to myself, you know, I think part of that is because of the big names,

Doug, James, Joe, Scott. There might've been a few others that Luke Pearson from Apologia, people that they trust that have earned trust.

Like people, these people have earned their trust. They've earned their respect. They've earned their influence. He was trading on those names.

He was using that power, that trust that's been developed and built over time. Nobody knew who

Tobias was, but they did, and they trusted him. So there's all this influence.

And now we've got Joel here who's being lied about, and I'm going to defend Joel because he's my friend and I'm part of Right Response.

How should I do this? Knowing that little old AD Robles, sure, I have some influence, but it's not in comparison to that group of men.

I mean, it's really not much. So what am I going to do? So my thought process was, I got to go hard.

I got to hit hard and I got to hit fast. And that's what I did. And I would do it again.

And it worked. And there was nothing immoral about it. And I don't regret the things that I've said.

And I don't think I made any mistakes. I said, look, I'm punching above my weight class.

I've got to punch hard. I've got to punch fast. And I've got to punch often. And that is what

I did. That was my thought process. So if you want to know about why the reaction was the way it was for me, that's why it was the way it was.

I knew I was punching above my weight class. So I said, I just got to go in. Now, I didn't go in as far as I could have gone in, but I went in.

And I would do it again. And I've done it before. And I would do it again. And I've done it defending you,

Dr. James White. I've done it defending Doug Wilson. And I'm happy with that. And so here's the thing.

All that being said, this is not about the reaction. It's not the case to say that all the things that happened after the initial flamboyant, ridiculous, intense lie, that's what's really responsible for this.

No. The forest fire was started and prepared. And he set the logs in just the right place so enough oxygen can get into them.

And he sparked the fire. And then it kicked off. And that is what's going on. And our reaction, all of it, is with the intention of putting the fire out, stopping the bar fight.

You cannot reframe this. We can have the discussion about the reaction. We can do it.

I'm willing to have it. I'm willing to stand trial for my words and all this kind of stuff.

All of that, fine. We can discuss it. That's a separate issue. What first must happen is for you to take full ownership of supporting and promoting the lies of Tobias.

Which, may I remind you again, was deleted from the internet within a day because it was full of lies.

That's what really happened. Now that it's out there, then everybody's heard it now. And needs to.

But didn't have to be that way. And only one side had it. So keep that in mind.

Keep that in mind. That's right. Only one side was smart enough to actually record it. Sorry.

I mean, maybe you should have recorded it. I mean, I know you've recorded things before. You should have recorded this one.

Again, we're under no obligation to give you more tools in order to destroy us.

Maybe if you came with your hat in your hand, man, you know, Joel, I don't remember if I lied about you, but it certainly seems like I have.

I mean, Eschatology Matters pulled the video within a day because it was full of lies. Joel, I'm so sorry. And so what

I'd like to do, if you could give me the recording, I'd like to go in there. And so with the intention,

I want to set the record straight. Maybe if you would have done something like that, Joel would have given it to you.

I mean, I haven't asked him, but it was worth a shot. But no, that's not what happened.

It seemed to me like you wanted to reload. You wanted to try again.

We're under no obligation to give you tools to try to destroy us. I mean, if you fool me once, shame on me.

Fool me twice. I mean, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. That's how it goes.

That next weekend, he had to travel to another country to speak at a conference there.

All he had was his phone. His laptop had died. And then when he got back, he had three people flying in for a conference that they had set up months and months before.

Jeff and Luke from Apologia and Joe Boot were speaking at their conference. And some of you saw a picture that I did a

Zoom thing there wearing a Coogee sweater. And so Rich just gave me that look again.

Anyway, so we've said he's going to respond.

How about you wait for him to do that? Oh, we can't do that. And then we have one other person.

Well, it's not really that we can't do it. It's just that we'll do it if it suits us.

As long as it's appropriate, we'll wait. And I mean, I'm still waiting.

I mean, there's lots of things I could say that I haven't said because I'm waiting. But there are certain things that need to be addressed directly, quickly, and completely in the first video, which is what's been done.

So it's not that we can't wait. It's just that we don't have to. And we will only if we think it's appropriate.

And when it's not appropriate, we won't wait. I don't know. I mean, am

I missing some kind of rules of engagement here? I mean, I don't know. I'll be brief.

We have another person who, yes, they dropped a webcast pretending to be able to read motivations and read minds.

And he stinks at it. It's about me. He may think he's good at it, but he stinks. Really does.

The stuff he was saying, what he's predicting, laughable. Just really seriously.

Okay. You know, what's funny about this is I've actually been pretty good with my predictions. I wouldn't say

I'm bad in a thousand, but I'm doing pretty well. I mean, if I was on the free agent market right now, let's just say the

Yankees, Mets, Dodgers, they'd all be calling, you know what I mean? But what's funny about that is it's as if I just had these predictions out of thin air.

No, the video that I did was predictions on what's being done. And you might think they're laughable,

Dr. White, but based on something you said, Dr. White posted a comment that said, you know, these things take time.

Be patient. You know, he's very busy and all this stuff. And then he said, by the way, like a lot of this stuff, you know, initially happened in German.

And so you need to give it time. You need to give him time. And to me, what that sounds like, I mean, of course,

I'm not a prophet. And I said so in the video, I said, here's what it sounds like to me. Maybe I'm wrong.

In the video, I said, maybe I'm wrong. But what it sounds like to me is he's like, he's translating old stuff.

Couldn't have been from Joel. He doesn't speak German. So you would think it sounds to me like they must be from this church member.

And I said, even in the video, maybe there's a surprise witness. I don't know. But what it sounds like to me is he's going back through all this

German so that he can bring to you what was said, so horrible, whatever.

And that's what's happening. That's going to be part of the response, because this is all in the context of Tobias responding.

So I made some predictions. Now, I knew as soon as I made those predictions, I knew that no matter what happens, as long as he doesn't do that,

I was going to look sort of bad, because if he doesn't do it, that was my whole goal. The whole point of that video was, hey, if you're planning on doing this, this is what it sounds like.

If you're planning on doing this, don't do it, because it would be a satanic move to do. I stand by that. I stand by that.

So if he goes and doesn't do it, then it's going to look like this, depending on where you stand.

Either, see, Adam, he wasn't going to do that anyway. You're just flying off the handle.

Basically, his attitude here. Or it was going to be, man, glad he didn't do it.

You probably shouldn't have said anything until he posts it, but I'm glad he didn't do it.

No matter what, I don't look great. If he does it, and I'm vindicated, which I still think is a possibility, to be perfectly honest with you.

I still think my prediction probably is going to happen. If he goes through with it, then of course,

I'm still bad in a thousand. But I got to say, he seems to think my predictions are laughable.

I don't know. My predictions on this controversy, how this is shaking out, they've been pretty good. They've been pretty good.

So I might have been wrong. I might be wrong. We'll see. Totally disconnected from reality.

What color is the sky in your world? This is the same fellow. It's blue. Sometimes it's gray.

Just 10, 12 days ago, I forget when it was, tweeted

Scott Anuel. Now, Scott Anuel, fellow professor at Grace Bible Theological Seminary.

Scott Anuel? I honestly thought it was a new one. Works with G3. Godly man, great family, super stuff on Christian worship and the

Psalter and the Psalms and worship. He's also got some very beautiful hands. Tremendous amount of great stuff.

Beautiful, smooth, moisturized. And has a tremendous reputation as a godly man.

And you may disagree with him on eschatology. Before G3, last year, we had that GBTS thing where I was sort of alone, but we had a friendly, brotherly conversation about political issues and post -millennialism and things like that.

So, this individual tweeted

Scott Anuel, because Scott Anuel had tweeted the link to Tobias' webcast.

And he wrote to him and said that he should close his account, resign, and leave the ministry.

Close his account, resign, and leave the ministry. I wish

I had the—I don't see myself when I'm doing these videos. I wish I did, because when he started saying that,

I remember that tweet. I definitely told him to delete his account. I 100 % said that.

But resign and leave the ministry, that does not sound like something I would say, because I don't believe that.

I don't believe that. I gotta find this tweet. I don't think

I said that. Let's find out. All right. Well, make sure my audio's still good.

It's good. I found the tweet. And unless I'm missing something, unless there's a different post,

Dr. White, you need to be a little more careful. Now, this is not the first time I've heard this.

I've heard this from another person who's not really involved in this conversation, but he's very close to people that are involved and a leader in the church, someone like that.

And actually, he started the conversation with me making this very similar accusation where I told

Scott Anuel or someone to resign from the ministry and leave the ministry, things like that.

And I remember during that conversation, I stopped him. I said, well, hold on, hold on a second. Be careful. I didn't say anything like that.

I'm pretty sure I didn't. Maybe I did. Maybe I got all angry and I just said it.

But here's the post, I think. Now, remember, Dr. White just said, I told him to delete his account, resign, and leave the ministry.

Let me read you the post in case you're just listening. At Scott Anuel, issue an apology for sharing

Tobias's lies or delete your account. Period. That's it.

That's it. Where did that other stuff come from? Honestly, where did that other stuff come from?

I don't know. I don't know. Dr. White, I think you're conflating maybe something you've seen someone maybe say to me or maybe just someone else just out there.

But I didn't say that to Scott. I did say delete your account, but that's mostly a meme. That's mostly a joke.

Like I wasn't like if Scott Anuel deleted his account because of what I said, which of course would never happen, but if it did,

I wouldn't shed any tears. I mean, honestly, I wouldn't. I wouldn't care. But that's not really what

I was going for. I was just trying to get him to admit he shared a bunch of lies that was deleted within a day because it was full of lies.

And you know, the way to do it in a funny way is to say, admit this or delete your account. Nobody expects the person to actually delete their account, but I guess

I could see how you could misinterpret that. Okay. But what about the other stuff? Resign and leave the ministry?

Dr. White, I've known you to be more careful than this. Well, maybe not in this controversy.

You haven't been too careful in this controversy. Um, you should probably, I know you didn't name me, so you really didn't technically lie, but you're talking about me.

I mean, let's just be real here. Can we be honest? Can it, is it possible for us to be honest? Let's just be honest with each other.

I think you should apologize for putting words into my mouth because that strikes me as, I mean, this title of this section is

The Leaked Call and Immaturity. That strikes me as very immature to try to put words into my mouth that I didn't say, all to make me look bad.

I mean, I said, don't delete his account. I mean, that happens 10 times a day on, on Twitter, on X. I don't know what to say.

I mean, I didn't, I didn't say that Dr. White. I don't even know what words to use to describe that level of foolishness.

I do. How about, hey AD, I'm sorry that I said that you told Scott to resign from the ministry.

I still don't like that you told him to delete his account. I still think it's foolish, but I'm sorry that you, that I put those words in your mouth.

Maybe that's what you could say. Oh, that's not what he was asking though. I really don't.

But for me, that was it. As far as that individual went, I have no interest.

None. The, the, the level of immaturity there.

That's the word I use. Beneath notice. So just that, that was it.

What color is the sky in your world? I mean, I didn't say that. I told him to delete his account and it's a meme, mostly.

Um, that's all it takes. You just write me off just like that. Well, I don't care, Dr. White, you could write me off all you want, even for fantasy things that I've never said, but, uh, you can't stop me from loving you.

That's it. It's as simple as that. You just can't stop me from loving you. That's how it goes. And that's happening every day.

The stuff that I see, I don't see everything that's aimed at me because I have so many red avatar blue -eyed guys already blocked.

That just doesn't pop up. Um, but I see enough. Only one side is stoking the fires and, and going, wait, we'll not wait.

It's again, we're back. It's insane. You keep trying to reframe this, Dr. White, you can't do it.

Only one side is stoking the fire. How about who started the fire? This is, it's, it's, it's unbelievable to me.

Like you're at a bar and a guy comes up to you and sucker punches you, throws a haymaker at you.

And, uh, you weren't expecting it, but you easily dodge it because it was so clumsy. Maybe the guy's just hammered.

You know, he just totally misses you dodge it. And then you start jabbing back.

Cause you know, it's a bar fight. You know what I mean? It's a, it's a, it's a fight. And then the guy says,

Whoa, Whoa, hold on a second. Well, this is not a fight.

Hold on a second. Let me, let me respond. Listen. I don't know.

Maybe, maybe some of you guys haven't been in fights, you know, whatever. You don't know how they go. This is why you don't go around starting fights.

Cause you don't know what the other person's going to do. You know, the other person might be stronger than he looks. He might be crazier than you think he might, he might be more effective quicker.

You don't know. That's why you go around starting fights, but it doesn't do you any good to start a fight.

And then all of a sudden try to reframe the conditions of the fight. You got to do that ahead of time. Like, like it, look, look, you know, two people have a problem online.

You just, all you do is you call up happy punch, you call up Keemstar and you say,

Hey Keemstar, let's have a boxing match and let's, let's decide on the rules. You know, the number of rounds, the, the rules, you know, how are we going to decide who wins?

You set it all up ahead of time. And then you come to a fight. This was not an orderly fight though. We could have had an orderly fight, but you chose instead to throw a haymaker randomly without any warning, which was dodged easily.

Like it's not my fault. Your punch stunk. It's not my fault. You missed.

I mean, yeah, you missed, but it doesn't do you any good. And now all of a sudden try to set the terms of the fight.

Like you started a fight and now we're fighting. Joel and I didn't ask for any of this.

Joel didn't want to do this, but you did it. And so this is the thing.

When you're in a fight, you got to fight to win. And so Joel and I, we didn't want to fight, but if we're going to fight, we're going to win.

We're going to win and we're going to do what it takes unless it's immoral to win.

And we're not like, you don't listen to the person who's actively trying to destroy you to try to now all of a sudden dictate how we fight.

It's just not going to happen that way. Tobias tried to destroy Joel's reputation, his career. And so we're going to do what we have to do to put an end to it.

It's as simple as that. And it doesn't do you any good to say, oh no, no, you're not fighting fair.

Fair? This is a bar fight. I've seen a lot of people call it a food fight. It's a food fight.

You don't get to throw salami at me. And then I throw pudding at you. And you're like, whoa, we're not, we're not fighting with pudding. It doesn't work that way.

It just doesn't work that way. On the playground, fourth grade, y 'all sit down and shut up.

So this is, man, you know, I saw the clip of this sit down and shut up clip and I responded to it, but I didn't think he was actually directly talking to me.

I thought he was just kind of talking to me in general, like in the general sense, but this is about me. And he's like, we're in the playground now.

And then what's interesting about this is if we're in the playground, you're right there with us.

We're both in the playground and we're both fighting. But then he takes the posture of the teacher saying, sit down and shut up.

Like as if he's above it all. You started the fight. You're the big kid.

You're the big kid. And we're the, we're the, we're the younger kid. You started it.

Now we're beating you in the fight, but you're pretending like you're the teacher somehow.

If this is the playground, we're right there together. We're playing ball, sit down and shut up, man.

That's intense. It's intense. I wouldn't have said it. I wouldn't have said it. Let the man respond and then we can have a conversation about it.

Okay. No, that's, that's not going to work for me. That's not going to work for me.

I'm not going to allow the man to throw two haymakers at me. You know, he misses on the first one, but maybe, maybe, you know, if he focuses, he can get the second one in.

No, I'm going to fight. If you start a fight, then I'll fight. I've said this many times. I don't go around starting fights, but if you want to fight,

I'll fight. It really does boggle the mind.

Like how honestly, like how you could come off, kick off an altercation and then try to control it.

I just don't get it. I don't get it. And you take this posture that you're above it.

You're the teacher. You're the, you're the hall monitor, but really you're the one who started the fight. That's like the teacher tripping one of the kids.

And then the other kid thinks another kid did it and fighting the kid. And you're trying to act like you didn't do anything.

It's unbelievable. Like, I don't know. Like, I mean, if I was going to be proper about it, where do you come off?

Where do you come off? You start, you started the food fight. So we're fighting with food.

But right now this is like romper room and y 'all just need to sit back and go, yeah,

I think we've sort of lost control of ourselves. Yes, you have. No, I haven't.

I found this part amazing and I did respond to this part again, as if he was talking to us in general, but he's talking directly to me.

So I'll, I'm glad to talk directly to you. Um, I haven't lost control at all.

Um, everything that I did, I, I, I, I thought through, I calculated, um, we even discussed it.

Some of the things that I've, I've said in response, we've discussed prior to talk about it.

I mean, is this the right time to say this is, is this correct? What I'm about to say, and let me double check this and stuff like that.

And, um, we haven't lost control at all. I think the, the, the, what he's trying to put into your mind is that a guy like me just spouts off at the mouth, anything that comes to mind.

Um, and thank God that I don't, you know what I mean? I don't pop off at the mouth anytime something comes to mind.

I, I, uh, if, if, if I did, I mean, yeah, we'll just leave that alone.

We'll just move on. We'll just move on. Um, but no, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna sit down just because you tell me to,

I'm not gonna shut up just because you tell me to. Um, I, I, I haven't lost control in any way.

Um, you've never seen no quarter 80 Robles. It's never happened on, not on the channel at any moment.

I've never ever shown you no quarter 80 Robles, but the more this drags on, the more I feel like I might make an appearance.

No quarter 80 Robles. That'll be something. Um, it's just again, you don't get to start a fight and then try to renegotiate how we fight that that ship has sailed.

Now we can put an end to this, but that's squarely in your camp. That's squarely on your side.

Tobias has to retract the things that he said. Um, and the longer that he continues, not the longer this fight will drag on.

And it's his responsibility, not ours. Sit down, shut up, be patient.

I have been patient. I know that's not something that works real well for you all, but stop it. No. Just wait.

No. Conversations coming. It's going to take place, but it's not going to take place in place of the necessary and constant warning about what's taking place in reformed churches where the gospel is being decentralized for narratives of ethnocentrism, white supremacy,

Jewish conspiracy theories, or whatever else comes along with it. So again, this is another attempt to reframe the conversation, right?

So, um, I understand Dr. White and I've talked to Doug about this and I've talked to other people about this, um, that you are very concerned with the rise of anti -Jew hatred in the church and all of this stuff, ethnocentrism, whatever, whatever it is you said there.

I, I, I, I've heard you and I get it. Okay. That's not really what concerns me.

And if, and if you wanted to talk about that, you picked the worst possible strategy to do it because what you did do was launch a personal attack.

And now you're saying like, like we can't, like, we can't talk, like you're trying to, you're trying to fuse them together.

My only concern here is the fact that your friend Tobias said that Joel Webben was a key proponent of anti -Jew hatred in the reformed church.

That was a lie and it was full of other lies as well. That's my concern. And so I know you want to fuse those together.

Um, those are separate issues and I wouldn't have gotten involved if it was about just the other issue because really I don't care.

I don't, I don't care. I see that just like I saw the original woke wars. It's mostly made up and the definitions are fuzzy and I stopped caring.

Simple as that. But you made it personal. And so that's what

I'm responding to. And so whatever you can talk about whatever you want. But what I'm concerned with, what my reactions are about are about the lies that your friend

Tobias told about Joel on a two hour video, which was taken down within a day of it being posted because it was full of lies.

That's what I care about. We are not going to allow the real issue to be replaced by some personal issues between two men, which that was never the reason for the call in the first place.

And there was stuff that had come before that, which isn't part of the call, et cetera, et cetera.

All right. We're not going to allow the real issue to be replaced by the Joel stuff. With all due respect, how stupid do you think

I am? We didn't start this. We weren't the ones who brought that up.

That's the opening salvo. That was the, that was the initial, that was your point of entry into this conversation.

You started talking about Joel, which was a lie and, you know, was deleted immediately after.

It's not a distraction. It's not like we're replacing it. You're trying to replace it with this other conversation, which apparently is the real issue.

And then trying to tell us that we're trying to replace it. We didn't bring this up.

You brought it up. This is a real mind warp. Like does any, am

I wrong on this? I mean, he's acting like we're trying to distract and change the issue, but he's the, their, their team is who set the tone on the issue.

Our reactions are reacting to you making this the issue. So if the real issue is over here, then that's fine.

Knock yourselves out talking about that. But we're talking about this, where your friend lied for two hours about Joel Webbin.

We haven't, we haven't resolved that yet. With all due respect, how stupid do you think we are?

Am I, I mean, guys, if I'm out to lunch on this, let me know. So just stop it.

You're making fools of yourselves. I don't know if you've at the people that are posting your stuff and their comments, but it's embarrassing.

It really is. I really hope that I live long enough.

It's, it's, it's unbelievable. Like this is the same. It's the same war. I've been saying this, the woke wars two is the same as woke wars one.

It's, it's never ended. It just transformed. I remember very clearly how they used to say the same thing about me the first time, man, don't you see all the people that hate blacks in your comments that are sharing your stuff.

It's embarrassing. There's, I mean, the guy who shared your stuff has a Confederate flag in his bio.

It's embarrassing. Don't you care? Don't you see? And I remember at the time

I used to say, don't care. I was right. I was right before people acknowledged

I was right. I was right pretty early. And I think I'm right about this too. So this tactic,

I've seen it before. It's not going to do you any good. I mean, don't you care that these Jew haters are sharing your content?

Look, no, I don't care. Shouldn't you be happy? Shouldn't you be happy?

They're sharing my content. Like, like I don't hate Jews. It's apparent in what I say.

I believe the gospel. I believe I'm gospel centered. I don't have the gospel of ethnocentrality.

I'm Puerto Rican. I don't think I've ever shared the gospel of the centrality of Puerto Rican -ness.

I mean, I just haven't done that. Shouldn't you be happy that they're sharing my content? You know, that they're, they're getting some voice that's relatively reasonable.

I mean, I know you don't think I'm that reasonable, but I think I'm pretty reasonable. Shouldn't that be a win? It's a manipulation.

Like, look at these evil people that, that like you. So that means you're wrong. It's just a manipulation.

This whole thing is just a futile attempt to reframe the issue in seven different ways.

We're still talking about the initial issue that a video was published with your, with your support, lying about Joel Webben.

It was so bad that it was taken down within one day of posting it because it was full of lies. And we're still there.

That's where we're still at. Nothing's changed. And you're like, well, it's your fault that the fire is still going.

No, no, no. It's your guys' fault because you're just reloading. You're going to try again.

You're not apologetic about it. You don't care that you put your support behind a video full of lies that was taken down within 24 hours because it was full of lies.

That's the issue. We're still there. You, you can try to reframe it all you want, but we're not going to allow it to happen.

For some of you to come up to me 10, 15 years from now and go, man, I'm so sorry.

I look back now and I just can't believe. Man, this, this makes me legitimately sad.

Like, you know, I've said, I've said before on the channel, like, I think about my own father and how my relationship with my own father has changed, you know, and when

I was young, I owed my father, you know, essentially perfect obedience. You know, my dad said, you got to go clean your room.

I'm going to, I better go clean my room. Right. But as, as I've grown, you know, our relationship has changed and it's not like it's, it's changed from bad to good or good to bad.

Like it's always been good, but we have a different relationship. And I still owe my father certain allegiance and, and respect and honor.

And I've always been the guy that says, Hey, you shouldn't discard Doug Wilson. You shouldn't discard James White. They still have, in general, some good instincts, meaningful things to say.

They're a blessing to the church. You shouldn't just discard them and just disregard everything they say because they're a boomer.

You shouldn't do that. But the relationship has changed with like, even with my own father. Like now, if I ask my father for advice,

I'm not obligated to do what he says. I should take him seriously. I should seriously consider doing what he says.

And if I'm not going to do what he says, I better have my, I better be right. You know, I better have my reasons.

And when I was a kid, I would never dream of contradicting my father. Right. But there have been times that I can't give you details and I wouldn't want to.

There have been times when I've had to tell my father, like, you know, you're wrong about this.

And I'm going to say some hard things. And I just hope you hear me out respectfully. And, you know, we had a man to man conversation.

He's still my superior. But man to man, I needed to tell him some things, some hard things.

And so, Dr. White, like, this is the position you put me in. You're not my father, obviously.

But in a spiritual sense, yeah, I learned a lot from you. A lot of what I do today, a lot of how I act, a lot of how

I reason things out, I've learned from you over time. But do you hear yourself?

Just, can you hear yourself? You set yourself up in this position where you're fantasizing about 10 years from now when all of the people that disagreed with you on this issue are going to finally come to their senses and they're going to be at your feet groveling, talking about how, oh,

I'm so sorry. I'm so like you're like, Dr. White, just listen to yourself for a second.

Can you be in the wrong here regarding the James or the Joel Webb and Tobias Rockerschmock situation?

Is it even a consideration? Or is this prediction, this fantasy 10 years into the future, it's just a foregone conclusion to you?

Well, we're going to be so sorry. You were so right. You know, Joel really was the key figure in the promotion of Jew hatred in the church.

Look, you may be right about the rise of antisemitism in the Reformed church. I don't know your churches.

I know my church. As far as I know, there's no antisemites in my church. This is not a concern of mine.

But maybe it's a legitimate concern for you. And you know what? If you're right about that, and you know, the CRAC, there's this going on, whatever.

If you're right about that, fine. Then you were right about that. But I'm not even talking about that.

I'm talking about this. We haven't moved on from the initial conversation where accusations and lies were told about Joel.

And it was so full of lies. I deleted the video within 24 hours because it was so full of lies. I will not be apologizing for my actions during that controversy because you are wrong.

And you're trying to reframe it. And you're trying your best to make it about the reaction to the video instead of the video and all of this stuff.

And you've put yourself in this position where you kind of stand above it all.

You're the teacher. And you're telling all the kids to sit down and shut up. And you've taken this posture of just, my word is law.

You kids in the playground, you got to stop. You're in the playground with us on this one.

You're my superior, but right now we're fighting with each other. And many of the things that you've done,

I would label, and I think rightly, as immature. You might think I'm being immature. All right, we're being immature together then maybe.

But you've said this many times. Obviously, this image is very important to you of all the people that are going to apologize to you in 10 years.

This is something you've said numerous times that I've heard. And I don't listen to you all the time. So I'm sure you said it more than even

I know. If I were you, I would not be fantasizing about that.

I would not be putting myself in that position. Because it sort of mentally just kind of disregards.

It's not even entering your mind that you could actually be doing some wrong things in this issue right now as it applies to Joel Webben and Tobias Reimerschneider.

It's a dangerous place to put yourself. Imagining how you're so right, not even considering that you could be wrong, to the point where you're fantasizing about people begging for your forgiveness.

And you're a good guy. You'll forgive them. It's not a good place to put yourself.

I've never thought about that before. I've never thought about that. There are people that have legitimately wronged me.

And I've never thought about the time when they're going to eventually come to their senses and I will be, of course,

I forgive you. I just don't know, man. That just is a very weird place to be. We're trying.

We're trying. We are trying. All right. With that, didn't see stuff going here.

Hopefully we have just just I got to end it there because I got to take a phone call. But there's my video.

I think we'll have more to say about this. And like I said, on certain things, I'm waiting on other things.

I just will not wait because I just don't find it necessary to wait or advantageous or proper to wait.

I think I've explained myself pretty well. In any case, I hope you found this video helpful. God bless.