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Dan and Rob would love for you to join their walk through the book of Hebrews. This episode will cover 1:1-4.

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Welcome to the truth in love podcast tonight We are going to start in the book of Hebrews and the truth and love podcast is beginning now
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You Dan how's it going?
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Good, man. How are you doing? I'm doing good I'm not doing as good as you because you told me that and I'm jealous that you got 10 inches of snow and we've not
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Seen a flurry well If you move north of the Mason -Dixon line
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You do tend to get snow more often than if you live south of the Mason -Dixon line. That's absolutely true
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Yeah, we're I mean, we're only a few short hours from Canada. So You get the drift from Canada and the lakes
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Well, we do get some lake effects. No, not nearly as much as Buffalo. Oh my goodness. They get hammered
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But we do have it we'll have a float across every once in a while with Buffalo's getting nabbed
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We'll end up getting a couple two three inches just kind of float on through Just hang out for a little bit
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Well speaking of snow I know you and I were talking offline about things that we could talk about and it just don't know me one of the things
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That I did see today or recently speaking of snow I'm just going off an article that I saw.
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I'm not a scientist and I can't confirm any of this but Iceland just had 50 years of their coldest winters or or something like that and I think was a jab at the the global change
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Yeah, the climate changers that are saying the ice caps are melting and everything But they've they've had their coldest winter in 50 years something like that some of that effect
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I Don't know Well Let's look at let's look at this.
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I pulled up an article for you and I want you to respond to what this guy's saying we're gonna hit on some some
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End -times things because it's it comes up. It comes up over and over again. It'll calm down that'll come up again but this is a
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This is a topic that Dan and I like to talk about And I'm sure we are we're not nearly can finish talking about it.
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But this is from this is our Fox News The title of the article is here's why
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Christian scholars who study in time say this is not the end of the world
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All right So I'm gonna I want to stop at each little section here and let you respond
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When the coronavirus pandemic spreading across the globe and Lingering question has resurfaced.
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Are we witnessing the end of the world? Tom Meyer a
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Bible professor who has the book of Revelation memorized Has written a verse -by -verse commentary on the final chapter of the
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New Testament What is happening in the world isn't new it has happened before said
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Meyer Also known as the Bible memory man in an interview with Fox News. What do you what do you say about that comment?
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What is happening in the world isn't new it's happened before Kind of right on that one if you even if you did think that the coronavirus pandemic was
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The worst thing ever. I mean you had black day with the black death
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Knocked out. What was it two out of every three or three out of every four people in Europe? I mean,
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I don't think anybody would argue it that the coronavirus was at that level But I mean even if you were to say
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This type of stuff has happened before I think oh, yeah.
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Oh, yeah, and I think on this particular opinion we would have a lot of agreement because Bible interpretation
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On this subject is very short -sighted we see what's happening to us and we we've got to remember what's happened throughout history and that Much much has been worse than it is now
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Well So here's the next line We should think of the current outbreak as a preview of things to come the slightest taste of what life will be like during the
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Great Tribulation as recorded in the book of Revelation Meyers said ah He went off the world so quickly
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The book of Revelation does not detail the tribulation well, I mean kind of does but Matthew tells us that the tribulation occurred
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In 70 AD. Yeah. Yeah, so So in our opinion, it's it's not a taste of things to come
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As far as the Great Tribulation being fulfilled in the future. Yes, but I mean, here's the thing though Especially not with the the level of Sickness that we saw through the the coronavirus.
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I mean it was it was it was nasty for some people. I mean Even even my wife ended up in the hospital for a little bit.
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I'm not saying that it doesn't exist or anything like that, but I don't know like in times biblical proportion type type event
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That's a stretch big stretch I mean, especially when you look at the the amount of people that have you know, maybe passed on per year and you come across the years where the pandemic was supposed to be the worst and The numbers didn't change all that much
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Um You would expect if it was really, you know end times getting a taste of of death then there would be more
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Death. Yeah Absolutely The book of Revelation the last book of the
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Christian Bible is interpreted by many Evangelical scholars as a description of Jesus returning to earth at that point.
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It depicts believers being Raptured to heaven and those left behind suffering tribulation, but Christians have varying views on this
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Hey, I agree with that. Give that last part People do have varying views on that Me being one of them.
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That's right So I think those that try to put the rapture in Revelation Squeeze it in there when it's not there.
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Well, you do see Christ return You do see people being called to Jesus but To say that those events are one in the same as what's being described as a pre -tribulation rapture
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It's just you're you're asking for too much It's the same when you go to like first Thessalonians 4 to try to say that that is describing a pre -tribulation
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Rapture you there's no time indicators. It doesn't tell you when these things are gonna happen It in fact makes it sound like it's gonna be loud and at the end
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When it's all gonna take place so while the real events taking place
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Jesus returning people being raised up from the dead People being caught up in the air with Christ all real events
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It doesn't prove what people know would call a secret or pre -tribulation rapture
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That event That that event that that people would say is different or separate from or in addition to the second coming
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We would see those events is all being wrapped up in the second coming which we don't believe has happened yet At least we shouldn't get ourselves in trouble
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Big trouble. Yes Look at the Internet. Well, we're not we're not big enough for people to talk about yet So we could convert to a full preterism and back to partial and nobody would ever know the difference
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I am I am big enough to where my elders would get on me and right
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Really honestly, that's as big as I care to be Was I know my elders will slap me slap me outside the head if I'm getting out of line
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I'm good. Oh, yeah a great great group of guys Hopefully they would slap me too.
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Oh, yeah, we'd take a road trip And just a side note speaking of this
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I Keep this subject keeps coming up every every so often in my mind and in my study and just thinking about it but it was a fact that Jesus death on the cross
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There was those who came from the tomb Yep, and walked around and I'm I don't hear many people talking about that and where that lines up with with You know partial preterism
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Eschatology and and all that It's very interesting. Well, what's really?
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Really interesting about that is that people don't like to talk about it because they don't have a place for it in their theology
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Period right and that's That's part of what I think we'll discuss the reason for that when we start talking about Hebrews Because people want to take it and systematize all of their theology
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They go at it through systematics. And so when you come across a passage like that, there's no easy cubbyhole
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Compartment No eschatological Eschatological no, there's no
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Doctrinal box that you can fit that into easily But yeah, it's a part of Revelation that's been given to us.
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It's something that we should know now I think it does make a lot more sense when we we understand it in the light of you know
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Christ's resurrection his bringing people back from the dead Know what he did with Lazarus You See the language throughout the
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Old Testament of shaking and what will be shaken and what won't be shaken, right? mean it it's actually really kind of kind of neat that when life is
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Purchased, you know Satan is defeated when life is purchased at the death of Christ People who are in proximity can't help but get up and walk around That makes sense.
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Mm -hmm. Now, where do I want to put it into systematic theology? I Don't know
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Talk about the the larger scope of of God's revelation to us of his revealing himself to us as creator and and Savior and King that it makes a lot more sense that someone who is
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Redeeming and bringing about the the redemption of the cosmos that at his
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Procurement of salvation those who had Tasted the sting of physical death would get some reprieve from it that that makes sense, right, right
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All right, let's continue on with this article here Myers explains Christians will be delivered But unbelievers will suffer for 42 months until Jesus returns to earth to destroy the
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Antichrist and establish his rule in Jerusalem for a millennium So he's coming from a dispensational pre -millennial point of view here trying to trying to find it, huh?
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So that the 42 months is
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I'll give them that 42 months people who didn't believe Jesus's word to get out of town.
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Right, right. Absolutely would suffer That being before a
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Return to destroy the Antichrist and I don't You lost me there.
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And that's that would that be the time time and half a times at the end of Daniel time times and half a time refers to I believe a
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Three and a half year period, you know time times
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Half a time should be about 42 months. Yeah, okay Yeah According to the according to the
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Christian professor who studied Israel Global pandemics like we are all currently suffering through are a wake -up call to the world to get right with God now through Jesus the
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Jewish Messiah Now here's the thing if you look at Especially like William Hendrickson's commentary.
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He's an a millennial guy He takes an idealist approach he views the the parts of Revelation that talk about trumpets as Warnings, you know, the trumpets are warnings they're broken down in the thirds a third of the water a third of the trees a third of the grass a third of the
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Sun and the stars all of that taking place those things taking place as warnings then you look at the bowls of wrath being
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When God's judgment is actually poured out and he sees those things is happening all throughout history
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It makes sense. I Think that would be more of an application to what the text is actually saying because the text
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I believe is actually describing the time between the time when when
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The Jewish nation is being judged During the 70
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AD But if you look at what took place then You say well, this is the type of things that happens to nations as they're judged
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These are the warning signs and here's what wrath looks like That that makes sense
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At least to me. I don't know if it makes sense to anybody else, but it makes sense to me If a person were just completely ignorant about what the
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Bible says about the end times they may think This right now, this is it
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Jeff Kinley a Bible prophecy author told Washington Post He said one of the major signposts which doesn't have to do with war or famine or disease in the
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Bible has yet to occur The ancient temple must be rebuilt in Jerusalem He said referring to the building of the third temple on the
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Temple Mount in Jerusalem. It was rebuilt
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It wasn't the third temple, but it was rebuilt. We are the temple of the
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Holy Spirit That's right But the temple being rebuilt That's prophesied in the
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Old Testament was rebuilt and that was the first century or the the second temple in Jerusalem That was destroyed in 70
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AD Yeah Yeah, well people will say that there are things that are going to take place
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There were prophesied to take place at a temple and since they haven't occurred yet and temples been destroyed
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That means that no by Logical reasoning the next thing that would happen is that there's a rebuilt temple
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But as far as you know saying this is where the Bible says a third temple is going to be rebuilt.
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Yeah, I don't Well, and and we'll stop at that one
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That's that's plenty good enough But I think one of the other One of the other calls for that third temple being rebuilt is that Jesus has to have a place to sit down there there has to be a place for the
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The Antichrist who proclaims himself to be God for him to sit down Jesus to kick him out and Jesus to Sit down and and rule on an earthly throne on an earthly kingdom
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Well, there's a big problem with that yeah They believe that Jesus is coming back to sit upon the throne of David, right?
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The throne of David was never in the temple Even even if a third temple was rebuilt
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That wouldn't be the throne of David It's long gone They would they would have to rebuild the temple palace
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Or the the the kingly palace the royal palace and then establish the throne of David again
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Right the temple isn't where the throne. I mean unless they're trying to say that that the the throne of David was somehow a picture of them coming of Jesus coming back to sit upon the mercy seat of the
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Ark of the Covenant, which have to Go find that Ethiopian bishop or whoever whoever has it to You watch the history channel, too, huh?
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Yeah. Well actually it's it's in the In the Orthodox Church one of the things that they believe is that they had they hold the
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Ark of the Covenant and That it's kids kept with one of their Ethiopian bishops bishops
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I'm not entirely sure one of them, but one of their priests so I mean that is that is an interesting theory or Idea that it's it's been down there this whole time
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Yeah, well the the story goes that there was there was catacombs underneath Jerusalem the same ones that Isaiah was an
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Isaiah Or maybe Jeremiah not sure what one of them was was hidden in the catacombs and Then the
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Ark of the Covenant was there when everyone got taken out they were the people who took them out also found the
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Ark of the Covenant and it either was saved fled before Farmers could get it or the armies took it and it migrated down to Ethiopia somehow
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Where are you ready to look at the book of Hebrews? Oh, yeah, man. All right. Let's let's take a look at it
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Let's dive in I'm looking forward to getting into a book with you again,
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Dan And I hope the Lord takes us all the way through the book of Hebrews. It's I think it's gonna be a really good study for us and Yeah, you know to get us kicked off Yeah, I was
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I've been asked to preach at a church that's kind of in transition
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Between The there's a missions organization called village missions and their whole thing their whole
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Reason for being is to make sure that rural churches don't die because they don't have a pastor
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So what they do is they raise up missionaries help them find support Make sure that they're trained properly and then place them at churches
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Rural rural churches that don't have a pastor So the this church in particular has one of my good friends as the pastor now
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He's retiring at the end of February And so until that new pastor gets there, they needed someone to help preach.
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So they're gonna have me preach Few times maybe a couple two three times a month even at the most during the summer or whatever
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But they really don't know when their next pastor is gonna be there. So I thought well instead of you know just Picking something hopscotch and through the
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Bible every every week. Just pick a book that I like and run with it.
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So Hebrews Now is this mission? Is this missionary organization or mission organization along with the
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Presbyterian Church? They're not okay Okay. Nope. In fact, if you if you know of a local church, that's in need of a a
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Pastor village missions may be able to help they are running a little behind right now.
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They have 26 churches that are awaiting pastors. Also if you feel called to a
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Rural church ministry and you've been qualified and called and your church wants to maybe partner with the village missions
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They may be something to look into Maybe maybe village missions would like to allow us to Promote them on our truth and love network too bad already did you did just now?
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Oh, I Mean I mean officially, oh Maybe I don't know.
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Yeah, that'd be a good partnership. Hey Rob, you could you could come up here? There's a bunch of reformed
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Baptist people up there. Nice. Yeah, come on be my neighbor Anyway back to Hebrews back to Hebrews Give me something to ponder there.
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We don't have to ponder right now. Hey, I wanted to spring that to you live so everybody can see
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Reaction So well, I heard something Really?
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I felt profound Looking into this dr. Moeller One of the as you're beginning with the introduction and you're beginning with Starting to study
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Hebrews that this always comes up who wrote Hebrews and And Paul and what other people have, you know different ideas different relations about who they're wrong
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What this is this is what he said concerning the issue And I thought it was really profound his conclusion of not on who wrote
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Hebrews, but it was this and it was something to the effect of You know
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God's Word is his infallible and they're inspired all -sufficient Word And so what he wants us to know is in there and there's books of the
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Bible that we know Who authored those books we know we know about Peter we know about Paul and the books that he authored
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Pretty much all the books of the Bible Especially the New Testament. We know the author of those books and they often mention themselves in those books
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But Hebrews does not and so therefore he concluded it was
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God felt that or decided or knew that we didn't know need to know the the author and and one of his thoughts was
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When we know the author of a certain book we it can affect our interpretation and how we look at that book because we know
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We know who they are we know how they write especially those people who Study linguistics study the original language and and you can tell by their writing style who wrote what and that's how
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Sometimes you can compare books and how they're written. You can know their author He he said not knowing the author of Hebrews keeps us from Interpreting at least in that way in a biased way
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Since we don't know the author Which I thought was was pretty profound
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God God didn't intend for us to know the author so we we interpret what the original author
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The divine author wants us to know Sure in the book. So it makes sense.
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Yeah, even though it's Paul Yeah, I just I took the time to read
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I took the time to read Hebrews tonight after supper and before we came on and You run all the way down through the end and it says
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I appeal to you brothers Bear with my word of exhortation for I've written to you briefly
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You should know that our brother Timothy has been released with whom I shall see you if he comes soon.
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So as His traveling buddy Timothy's traveling buddy that wrote
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Hebrews Greet all of your leaders and all the
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Saints and Those who come from Italy send you greetings and Paul was imprisoned in Italy So, I Personally think that Paul being imprisoned in Italy knowing that Timothy was also in prison.
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He was gonna get out They're gonna come from Italy down there see the people but like you said, we're not given
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Definitive answer right So what matters more? I think what matters more is what he said
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Give heed. What does it give heed? No bear with my ex my word of exhortation take what
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I say to heart look at what I have told you and Do something with it trust in the
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Lord do something with it Yeah, I think that's what's important here well in and just Knowing what
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I know about the book of Hebrews already You Can you can hear that and you can you can feel that that that plea to You know take it to heart because he's he is he's proclaiming
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Christ proclaiming Christ proclaiming Christ and He he's wanting it to stick.
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He's wanting it to he's wanting them to exalt Christ to to have the head knowledge and heart knowledge and Be be all consumed with the supremacy of Christ in their life and not go back to the old ways, but continue to look to Christ and continue to look to Christ and like I said be all consumed with with his supremacy and so you know, it's a
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Jesus is is greater than this J. Jesus is greater than that. He's better than this.
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He's better than that. I mean, it's just The author is just crying out to his readers look to Christ look to Christ he's you know, pleading with them almost yeah
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Yeah It's it's interesting because he he looks at who his audience is and then he says well what is the
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What's gonna resonate with these folks the most? And then he kind of gives that to him
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But in the process of doing that he provides us with one of the most wonderful beautiful and helpful pieces of hermeneutic ever
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Like the Holy Spirit just like drop this information into the Bible and it's just wonderful because you you can read through another reason why
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I chose Hebrews is because I I've I I've Generally preached from the
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Old Testament. I don't know why I just maybe there's more of it and I just picked more of it
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I don't really know why but I've been challenged by a friend of mine to preach through the Preach in the
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New Testament more and this satisfies both because there's so much of the Old Testament Quoted Annie speaking of Old Testament things throughout most of most of the book
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So when you look when you look at this This Is basically a biblical theology
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It's it's not a systematic. It's something it's a biblical theology where you look at What's laid out in front of you?
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It shows you the revelation of God to us Then it shows the different aspects of different ways in which
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God has revealed himself to us Through just plain old revelation through Salvation through Moses Abraham Melchizedek You look at it and it's showing you know all along the way
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This is the revelation of God to man and sprinkle throughout
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Because God revealed himself to us this way we are responsible to him for instance in the first chapter you have him talking about how
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Christ is Superior to the angels or the previous messengers how he how
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God had spoken at Various times to the prophets and now he's spoken to us through his son and then the very first warning
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Therefore we must pay closer attention to what we've heard Lest we drift away from it for since the message declared by angels proved to be reliable and every transgression or disobedience
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Received a just retribution. How shall we escape if we neglect such a great salvation?
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It was declared at first by the Lord when it is attested to us by those who heard
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While God also bore witness by signs and wonders and various miracles and by gifts of the
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Holy Spirit Distributed according to his will so you have us you're being set up where you're seeing
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This is God's revelation to us. He has spoken Before in the
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Old Covenant through prophets to men and in these last days we have Christ He moves on and says no talks about the law we had the law what was more full than the law
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We have been given Christ. They had Abraham we have Christ there was
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Melchizedek. We have Christ so you see a a
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It shows the A Luke book of Luke at the end of the road to Emmaus Jesus is talking to people and those people say
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No, they know who he was. They should have but they didn't and Jesus started from the beginning with Moses and the prophets and explained to them how all of the scriptures were about Him I mean, he may as well have
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Spoken to them the book of Hebrews, right? We're this is how
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This section of the Old Testament is about Christ this is how Creation was about Christ.
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This is how revelation is about Christ how The law is about Christ and it just goes on and on and you see that all throughout the book of Hebrews It's really that's not.
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Oh Absolutely, and that that's another reason why I'm excited about going through Hebrews with you is because those guys on the road to Emmaus I think it was after Jesus left them.
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They were speaking to each other and they said Didn't didn't our hearts burn within us when we listen to him right, and and I'm so looking forward to as we as we see
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Christ In this text as Hebrews the author of Hebrews looks back at the
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Old Testament and we understand it in light of that and we see Christ that Our hearts are going to burn within us as we as we see our
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Savior. We see our Lord Right. Yeah, absolutely. So if Man my brain just turned off at a good point
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Well, as you were talking about as you were talking about how Hebrews Points back to the
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Old Testament from an interpretation go ahead Yeah, so if we understand
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Hebrews properly And we follow the hermeneutic of Hebrews Then we should be able to have that burning
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Our hearts should burn within us when we read through the Old Testament And a lot of people find the
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Old Testament kind of boring they don't like it This is no history or whatever and there's all these begats in there and then they just they look let me get to the good
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Stuff. Let me run to Romans real quick. Let me run into the New Testament But what we miss out on when we do that is 39 other books of the
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Bible where we should have our hearts set on fire when we recognize Christ woven all throughout the
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Old Testament Leading up to the fullness of his revelation in the New Testament And then giving us our marching orders and our great hope of salvation going on into the future
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Absolutely. And by the way, the comment lines are open. Let us know that you're watching ask a question chat with us
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We'd love to hear from you But what I was saying from an interpretation perspective As you were talking about Hebrews quoting the
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Old Testament and and knowing the audience of the book I I just reflected on I read that David Chilton quote about how
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Revelation is is The book of the
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New Testament quotes from the Old Testament the most and so you've got another book here doing the same thing quoting from the
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Old Testament and so like you were saying How do we read the Old Testament? We read it like The the authors of these books in the
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New Testament Hebrews and and John and Revelation they were they were looking back and they were they saw that it was pointing to Christ and and they
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They learned or they knew the language and they knew the prophecy and and applied it to the
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New Testament and in that way and in its proper way and I think it's so important for us to to look at Hebrews not as a 21st 22nd century
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American Christian, you know reading reading myself into the text even though even though the
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Bible is timeless and It's gonna there's going to be application for us
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We we read it and interpret it initially in light of the author's original audience
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Especially we can't pass over those those small things that sometimes we we gloss over because we don't necessarily understand them
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Well, let's look back at the Old Testament. I mean he put it in there for a reason So let's look back at how they understood it in the in the
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Old Testament. Why why it's included in this text and and You from from the original audience perspective
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They would have understood what he was talking about and so that's how we need to look at it understand not necessarily how it initially applies to us, but how it applied to them and Understand it in that way
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Yeah, because if our interpretation is somehow different than what the Holy Spirit meant for us to understand it
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Then we're wrong So that's why if we see the
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New Testament using a particular passage in a certain way Then that is the way that we should understand that passage to be interpreted because it's a
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Holy Spirit inspired Interpretation of that text, right? Right. I Think that hits that's gonna ring true even these first few verses that we look at You have anything else you want to say about the the introduction leading us into the beginning of the study
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Yeah, okay Well, just first first and foremost first and foremost starting off Verses 1 through 3 maybe tonight what we'll try to get through but I don't know.
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We'll try but at the very very beginning then You see a
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Reflection of the Old Testament to me. I see a reflection the author of Hebrews Begins at the beginning with the author himself
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God just like the book of Genesis does in the beginning God right only he
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He Gave us the framework for the beginning of all the
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Star Wars movies, too No long ago Long long galaxy far far away
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At many times in many ways Actually, it's in a galaxy right here
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But yeah, he's I mean he starts with he starts with God That's his starting point
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And then that should be our starting point that we should we should start with God because he is the the creator sustainer
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It's his universe it's his galaxy right, and so he he begins with God and God is
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God is speaking and this goes back to the what we were talking about in our last video the
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Word of God God is God was speaking. He communicated to us how many communicated to us
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Long ago, yep in many ways in many ways and many times.
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Mm -hmm That's first one. Yeah to the Father God after he spoke long ago to the fathers in The prophets and in many portions and in many ways
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So God is communicating to his people So God has got he's giving us a message and he's speaking to his people that message and that message
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Is what we're going to read about in Hebrews Yeah, but back up a little bit
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In Our summary of that, okay Because what you said was right
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Back up a little bit and just think of it this way God revealed himself God revealed himself when then how bunch of different ways
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Prophets dreams He revealed himself Through men to us.
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So you have God's way of doing things Before right great wonderful Powerful beautiful take it to the bank, but he's making his first point whoever
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Paul whoever the writer of the Hebrews was Makes his first point
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When he starts the second verse he makes a contrast he says but in these last days
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He has spoken to us So what has God done in the former days in the last in the last days?
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Long ago. He Spoke to us. He revealed himself Was he done now?
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He has spoken to us. He has revealed himself to us. So he revealed himself to us
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By his son now, here's where he starts making his points.
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The one was great Fantastic prophets were hearing from God delivering a word to men
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Wonderful but What's fuller what's better is
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Christ and Christ is who has spoken to us in these last days
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You don't have the prophets who were sinful men Hearing a message from the
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Lord and giving it to us You have Jesus speaking to us and then it goes on and tries to tell us why he's better You know what
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I find significant about that that little transition or that huge transition that you just talked about it the the method that Transmission changed or I said that correctly how he how he did it changed, but the message doesn't change
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Sure. No, nowhere. Does he say that he's changed his message? He's revealing himself and he's pointing to Christ Right kind of The message the message did change a little bit.
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It was all part of one message though The little later on in Hebrews it talks about a new and better covenant being better than the old one
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The other one was weak and couldn't know insufficient The newer covenant is better and full
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So it changed a little bit but not really because they were saying the same thing But the one set it in a certain way and the other set it in the full way
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The Old Covenant set it in type and shadow beginnings, you know
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Initiations and starting points when Christ came he gave us the full picture Here's what you need to know and this is this is the fullness of the revelation that you're going to get until I return and We deal with sin once and for all who knows we may we will learn more things then
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But until then the revelation from God to us Is over. Yeah, he has spoken to us to his son because all of the
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Old Covenant all the Old Testament was was speaking about Christ and his coming was pointing the way to it was like a big
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John the Baptist book Here's the one you want to listen to listen to this one There's going to be a prophet that rises among you one of your brothers.
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Listen to him. If you don't you're going to be Punished no, that was from Deuteronomy. Here comes this prophet.
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It's Jesus Now, why is he so much better and more special than? The other prophets and that's where things start to Speed up a little bit, right?
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Yes, you know Say I gave the final message.
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Yeah. Yeah, who am I? I'm a bum just like these prophets over here
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You know who are all sinful in need of a Savior except for The one who's not sinful not the need of a
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Savior Do you think this is a good argument for the that there's not special revelation anymore?
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Maybe the argument for cessation ism That G once Jesus came and Jesus spoke that was it.
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This was the his final message. I I think so It's at the very least a very solid argument for a closed
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Canon, you know the words not having any more things that will be considered scripture
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I also think because of what's written a little bit later on and I forget where Somewhere in here, which is my that's one of my favorite things about About The book of Hebrews that when he quotes stuff, he's like it was written somewhere
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I'm like if it works for him, it can work for me. I can write that in a paper, but don't do that You'll get plagiarism
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But somewhere in the book of Hebrews he says that the
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Holy Spirit gave signs and Miracles in order to confirm the message that was brought by Christ So, I don't know if it expressly states to continue or the the cessationist position but it
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It's all the elements are there. Yeah take off our
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Pentecostal brothers Well, that's
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I mean that's our reason eyebrow there you go That's our point of view. That's how we that's how we see it.
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Anyway Yeah, they look at it a little bit differently so Rob why is why is
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Jesus better than previous messengers Because he's got himself
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So you had you had God Revealing himself like you were talking about God revealing himself through prophets and many various different ways but but there was a go -between
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Throughout that that whole time and now in these last days the reason Jesus is better than The old way is because Jesus has got himself coming down And so once you've seen if you've seen
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Jesus you've seen the father. He only speaks what he hears from the father He only does what the father tells him to do.
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So he is the exact represent representation of God and and so it is it is
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God himself Coming to to speak to us directly his word
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And so you you can't have any better That's why Christ is supreme over over all things over over communication over Any other means of communication because he's got himself coming to communicate to us.
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Sure. So what? Well, there's a there's two things that are said specifically and then there's more stuff said
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One of the reasons why he's better Is because he's heir of all things.
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That's right, which means that everything that you see Tis Given to him by the
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Father in heaven, right? Little bit later down here it says
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It calls him God Your throne Oh God is forever and ever it ascribes that of the
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Sun says your throne Oh God is forever. The Sun is God, but he was given all things by the father
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You know that it says Through whom also he created the world
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It's not only are all things Christ's Christ was
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The one who created the world, right he's not a created being
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Like the prophets He is the one who spoke and The world came into existence, right a little bit later down It says that he upholds the universe by the word of his power
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Which gives you the idea that if he wasn't there saying Keep spinning and stay this far away from each other that Things would stop spinning and collide into one another in great catastrophe.
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He upholds Everything by the word of his power. Yeah Something else that Al Mohler said that was really profound
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I thought was in it and it ties into our conversation that we had before and then we continue to have about the
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Word of God Jesus being the Word and That communicative word and then the word becoming flesh and those things being so tightly knit together
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And the word of God itself the scriptures. He was talking about how
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From our point of view our perspective. We see a difference between What we what we say we're going to do and actually doing it so I Can't remember the examples that he used but you say
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I'll get to that or Or I'll you know, I'll do that and then later on we actually do it
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So there's there's a verbal communication and there's the physical act of doing it. He said when it when it comes to God or Specifically here when it comes to Jesus Christ His word and his action are so intertwined that there's no
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Communication and then the action later you have to wait on it when he speaks it happens
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That that's how close closely tied his his word is with what he does it's
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It's true. It's it's it's going to happen. It's happened When he said let there be light there was light
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There was no you know time period where you had to wait for him to Accomplish that act or labor to do that act when he's when he spoke it it happened, right?
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well It even goes a step further than that if you remember The Bible says that we are we are presently seated with him in the heavenlies
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He was a lamb slain before the foundation of the world so in in a sense
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The things that he spoke into existence Regarding this world were complete final and accomplished
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Already yeah from the get -go which is Having trouble thinking that one through but it's really really cool to know that God has done stuff already
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Outside of time that is now taking place in time and we're able to witness how that looks
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It's just really really cool, right? Yeah Let's take a look at verse 3 and he is the radiance of his glory and the exact Representation of his nature and upholds all things by the word of his power, which is all things
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We've already been talking about when he had made purification of sins He sat down at the right hand of the majesty on high.
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Oh Oh before we go any further Verse 2 that's one of the things that I want to just to mention and also hear your thoughts on When I was talking about interpreting the book of Hebrews interpreting in light of the the author's intention the original audience how they would understood it in Understanding it from the
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Old Testament perspective you look at verse 2 and it says in these last days.
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Yep How would they have understood last days What was his intention what was he what's he trying to communicate to them?
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The this is one of those beautiful things about this about the book of Hebrews it being a sort of biblical theology what you have here is is an
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Understanding and people who would have known the first half, but it would be explained how the second half fits in with it
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No, here's the Old Covenant, which you know, and here's the New Covenant, which I'm explaining to you has been fulfilled in Christ Here's Christ who is what the
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Old Testament is pointing to the entire time Since he's saying this is the way it was this is the way it is now
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This is the way it was this is the way it is now This is something that great that God had given to us.
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This is Christ, which is much more superior and perfect when you look at the
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The phrase last days it's in conjunction with what he's saying about Christ now
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Back then in those days God spoke to us through the prophets in These this now present last days the period of time that we're in until the end of time
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God has spoken to us through his son So am I reading too much in am
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I being guilty of what I'm accusing other people doing and reading into the text? When I'm saying last days from a predator's perspective
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Because I hear him say last days and then I see I see what he's communicating to his audience
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And I mentioned it earlier that he's I mean, he's preaching Jesus. He's preaching
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Jesus and he's better than the law Don't go back to it. It's if he's saying these last days the the last days of your covenant
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Your covenant is ending your that that old covenant is ending this new one is starting and this
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This tribulation is coming Jerusalem is going to be destroyed It's if he's saying if he's speaking of those last days
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I Can I can hear that in his message because he's seeing that coming in their future and he's preaching
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Christ Don't turn back now. These are the last days turn to look to Christ look to Christ look to Christ above all these other things
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Am I reading too much into the those last days there? No, I don't think so.
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Okay is it's weird because they're they're in sort of a an overlap period where Christ has come he's been buried
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Risen again ascended into heaven all authority has been given into him and ahead of it heaven and earth
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Kingdoms been brought new covenant is in effect. And yet the old covenant was still no
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Kicking about I mean, I don't know how to put it. It was still there. But I mean, what was it really doing?
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What's it's been fulfilled in Christ? and so when the temple fell and the
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The city was destroyed and the temple was destroyed You you can think of it in two ways
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I don't know which one is in view here But I don't really think it matters because it gives you the same result
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You can be thinking of the last days as in the last days of the old covenant I think that since he's showing how
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Christ is better and everything He's pointing to the last days as being the days of The last like this is the last age that we're going through until Christ returns
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So it gives you the same result but I almost think that he's talking about The the last days as in the days when
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Christ has spoken he's No ascended to the right hand of the
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Father made atonement for sins And now that is being played out upon the earth.
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No the effects of Redemption are being played out upon the earth. I think that's what he means by last days just because mainly because it
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Says after making purification for sin he sat down at the right hand of the majesty on high having become as much superior to the angels or Messengers as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs so that the whole first three to four verses is
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Saying God has revealed himself and revealed himself through these It was great and wonderful.
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However, now the more perfect is here. Christ has revealed himself And so while they have spoken through the prophets to the fathers then now in these last days
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We have Christ who has forgiven us of our sins. I almost think it's how about the New Covenant age
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But you wouldn't I don't think you'd be wrong because It would also point to the end the coming of the new would point to the end of the old
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So it's all kind of one thing. I don't think we have to make hard and fast distinctions on that, right?
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It's like yes well, and the key point is what we had talked about is that It's Jesus that's speaking now and why he's so much greater than how and The communication that we're receiving from him is so much better than what was happening before right because it's
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When Christ is now revealing God to us. He's not doing so in type and shadow
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He's doing it in the fullness of our faith So this is how
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God wanted us to know him this is the fullness of what God has wanted us to know about him at least until We are resurrected in our new bodies at the end of time
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Right. So the radiance so the radiance of glory of God Jesus is the radiance of the glory of God the the glory of God is is that which is manifested and and we can
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Observe Observe God in a certain way how he how he deems necessary or how he deems that we observe him
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But but what we observe is is of him as his glory Well, I think it's going even a step further and saying whenever you have seen
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God's glory before You saw Christ It's the radiance of God's glory that has now shown himself to you in human form when you saw the the
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The cloud and the the pillar of fire Jesus we saw
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When you saw the the glory of God all throughout your the Old Testament history You were witnessing
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Jesus's work the one who spoke the world into existence one who created the world
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One who's who all things are his? you saw him and It's amazing because the very next phrase goes a little bit further
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In case you thought that you were only seeing Like a hype man
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You saw the the the ringleader at the circus
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In case you only thought that you were saying, you know Something shining out and maybe that's no it's much deeper than that And the exact imprint of his nature it's got the idea of a stamp where you you have the relief on the stamp and you punch it down to where what you
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Have on the page is the exact same thing that you have there on the stamp.
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Yeah It even goes a little bit further No, the relief and the the ins and outs where they're so interconnected to where He doesn't just have a likeness or or a
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Two -dimensional drawing of the nature of God. He has contains owns as his own the nature of God, which is deity
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Holiness right all of the things that are attributed to God that is the exact same
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The exact same thing can be said true of Christ. He is
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God No, did did you when you saw his radiance and glory before did you see
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Jesus, but when you saw Jesus you saw every single thing in fullness in reality
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That was the father's Yeah, well for anything if anybody's anything like me and and you hear that that phrase the the radiance of the glory of God you you may have a picture in your mind of maybe rays coming from the
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Sun and you know, yes, it's it's It's from coming from the
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Sun But as it travels away from the Sun even though it's it's from the Sun and it's it's
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It was part of its material as it as it travels away. It's going to get weaker because it's not part of the source anymore but he he repels that argument like you said in his next statement when he says no, even though he's the radiance of his glory the manifestation and And He's what you see of God He's not become weaker
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He because he's the exact representation Right because because the glory that that was the glory that you saw that was radiated from the father that you saw in the
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Sun The Sun has that glory as well. That's not like it's borrowed from him, right?
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It's his as well It's the exact imprint of his nature. So you saw the father's glory.
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You saw the Sun's glory because they have the same radiance the same beauty the same holiness
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Godliness Yeah, you're not getting you're not getting a weaker representation. You're not getting second -in -command.
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You're getting the the true exact representation Right, you're not getting the the action figure you're getting the you're getting the real deal.
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That's right Absolutely, and then he um, he upholds all things with a word of his word of his power and There's a there's another aspect of this word that we're talking about.
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You know, we've we've talked about the the Word of God We've talked about the the Word become flesh.
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Jesus is The Living Word we talked about Scripture but now here
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Hebrews takes it a step further and Adds a different aspect to that combination
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We've talked about the Word of God now. We're talking about the Word of Christ Right. Well, I think here the the
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Word of Power is Trying to conjure up memories of well short very short -term memories of When he said and through whom also he created the world so God created the world.
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How did he do it? He did it through Christ Christ spoke and said let there be light and there was light and now
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Who who upholds the universe by the word of his power? It's the one who radiates the glory of God who has the exact imprint of his nature as his own
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The same one who was used to speak the world into existence is at the same time keeping it from flying apart
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Right, right He's basically He's explaining what
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Jesus wanted the people to see when he was with them on earth and and traveling around with them When he said peace be still he was he was upholding all things by the word of his power
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When he said Lazarus come forth. He was upholding all things by the word of his power He was doing everything by the word of his power
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He had the power of life and death. He has the power of a Raging storm or calming the storm, you know, what whatever he wanted to accomplish he could do by the word of his power
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Yep Sorry for yawning on you like so That's okay
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It is late at night for us work. I had to get up early to shovel the driveway before I left for work
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And you do you have to do it again probably No, I did it again when I got home.
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Gotcha, but it quit snowing and I would I would use a plow or a
01:07:16
Snowblower or something, but I've got a gravel driveway It's like half dirt has
01:07:24
Erosion lines in it Anything I do is just gonna like kick up rocks and dirt and throw them through windows and stuff
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Not good. No When So here we have a timeline when he had made purification of sin
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He accomplished that then he sat down at the right hand of the majesty on high.
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What is that? What is that telling me? Like you were saying stated earlier. It's finished.
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It's accomplished, right? What what was? Revealed to the
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Hebrews through the prophets especially Prophet Moses When they were given the law, they're given the law that you have to Here's the temple build it exactly as I tell you
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Here's the altar build it exactly as I tell you here's what you do to purify the flesh through sacrifice
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You'll take the the blood of bulls and goats the fat the liver, you know, you're gonna take this you're gonna burn this keep that The priests are gonna eat this part and it's going to serve as a purification of your flesh
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Not Perfect, not forever. And that will that was the word that was spoken to you through the prophets and now here you have
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Christ who has spoken heir of all things creator of the world radiator of God's glory imprint of his nature
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Upholding the world by speaking and he made purifications for sins once He sat down at the right hand of The majesty on high he sat down.
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He's his right. He is God's right hand, man It's so much more
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Perfect. Yeah, it's final because as he gets home saying later a little foreshadowing it says that the priest who
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From the Old Testament would have to stand there and sacrifice over and over again But Christ didn't otherwise he would have had to sacrifice himself over and over again since the beginning of time
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But he doesn't do that because he made the the sacrifice for sins once And then he sat down why because he was finished.
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He was done. I was complete it was fuller and Better So it's showing the the full that what was seen in type and shadow through what the prophets revealed
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Has been brought to us in fullness and finality in Christ So that you don't have to worry about it
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What was there was great, but we have something better now. So please leave that alone and come on Talk about Jesus so much better.
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Well, it's my understanding this scripture talks about the temple they
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God was very specific in his Instruction on how to build the time we're not gonna build the temple It was supposed to be a representation of the the temple that is in heaven however, that's in Hebrews 2
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All right. We're coming to it. We're gonna get we're gonna get to it and but this this representation of the temple that's in heaven though that God was specific in his plans of what to create here on earth of All the furniture and all the things that God told them to put in that tabernacle in that temple
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There was never a piece of furniture He never he never told them put a chair in the table in the tavern, but Yeah, except for the mercy seat, but an actual chair
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Right to sit to sit down in and rest But in the temple and that's in heaven
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The his throne When everything was accomplished he was he's the first priest ever to be able to sit down and rest because it was it was finished
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It was accomplished. Yep Really interesting. It starts talking about the Sabbath and connects it to his finished work on the cross and the seventh day of creation so really
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Like we talked about earlier Christ Death burial and resurrection while we viewed it two thousand some years ago
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Was accomplished on the seventh day of creation the purpose the fulfillment somehow some way in God's Perfection in Ways that are higher than our ways
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Those things were done which is which is why? In chapters three and four it talks about how there's a
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Sabbath that remains for the people of God Because we have not finished our work which is
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I believe pointing to the necessity of a Sabbath rest for Christians, which we rest in The the knowledge of Christ's death burial and resurrection of his gospel.
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So that's why I believe that the Christians are commanded to Observe a
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Sabbath day because we are not done with our rest and we're looking forward to our rest that we find in Christ But we can talk about that later
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That might be why I'm beginning to lean towards the 1646 and not the 1689 was that that that concept of a
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Honoring the the Sabbath that has been fulfilled in Christ that we now rest in Christ He is our
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Sabbath, but you don't rest in Christ Hebrew says so It says that you don't a
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Sabbath rest still remains for us because we're not done with our work yet Ephesians 2 8 8 8 9 and 10
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Ends up with for we are his in verse 10. We are his workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works
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So we're created in order we are saved in order to Accomplish good works if we haven't finished our good works, we haven't found our rest fully and finally yet But when we pass on when we're done with all of our works
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We will have our rest in Christ. I look forward to that conversation
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Look forward to converting you Are you are you expecting me to cross out my my title above my face here
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Look a lot like this I Don't know about that.
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Well Well, we'll have our conversation And I'm looking forward to the conversation.
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We're gonna have on baptism on the laborers podcast coming up pretty soon about maybe three weeks.
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Hey How about on the laborers podcast? We're gonna be talking about why y 'all should all be exclusive psalmist next
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Yes, the laborers podcast this Thursday at 830 we're gonna be talking about music
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Should we sing from the Psalter only sing psalms? Contemporary Christian music worship music
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Do what not during the worship service not during the worship service But so so you're gonna join us this
01:15:13
Thursday if you can I have to I gotta set y 'all straight That's gonna be great.
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That's gonna be great. Well, we we have some disagreements to look forward to Some conversations to flesh out brotherly disagreements brotherly disagreements.
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That's right. That's right And it's gonna be good as we continue through Hebrews, but most importantly as We've already discussed right there
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Scottish Symmetrical Psalter. Yep Now do you have somebody playing a piano instrument?
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No, just acapella Yeah, do you know what the phrase acapella means? No, it means without music.
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It means in the manner of the church. Oh Because the church historically has not used instruments.
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It was only in the 1600s or so when it started up Hmm The price has been right all along well, hold on now
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The The the Orthodox Church like Eastern Orthodox we've got thoughts
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Russian Orthodox none of them use instruments and They they have proudly said that they have never used instruments all the way back to the time of the
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Apostles It's just You know, there's reasons for it.
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We can talk about it on Thursday. Yeah, absolutely No could have been part of the downgrade controversy that Spurgeon talked about Yeah, certainly use instruments, that's right
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The instruments were part of the slippery slope and look at us now think of those those vulgar hymns
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I Was gonna be a good one, but like I was saying as we wrap things up what's most important as as we have these loving dialogues and loving disagreements
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And as we look at Scripture look at Hebrews We want to be like the author of Hebrews and point you to The most important thing which is
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Jesus Christ himself He did not want His audience to go back to the
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Old Covenant go back to the law go back to their old ways he wanted them to see
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Christ in his full essence in his full glory in his full supremacy and to to honor him as Lord honor him as Christ honor him as King and Continue to look to him and he wants us to continue to look to him
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Because he is our great Savior What he did was was final it was good for once for all time sacrifice because he himself is divine and he is
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He himself is worthy. He is most valuable More valuable than any other sacrifice that was sacrificed.
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That's why they had to keep doing it year after year is because That's all that it could apply to but Jesus applies to all that it was intended by the
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Father for all time and for us to be forgiven by God and not receive his wrath we must obey him in repentance and Belief on the
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Lord Jesus Christ And so we call you tonight if you've never done that Turn from your sins change your mind about yourself and change your mind about Christ and Actively turn to him in faith
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God says he will cause you to be born again. He will grant you repentance. He will grant you faith
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He will give you a new heart and a new life with new desires and so please turn to him today call others to turn to him and We look forward to you being our brother and sister in Christ And if we can help you in any way if we can point you into a biblical church
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We'd love to be able to do that. But thank you for watching. Thank you for your support. We really appreciate it
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Dan would you mind to close us in prayer? Sure Dear Heavenly Father. Thank you for tonight for looking into your word
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Thank you for Christ who is the great fulfillment of all That you have revealed to us pray that you would cause to know him more and more and that we would
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Be changed into his image Each and every day as we go
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Jesus name we pray. Amen. Amen. Thank you again for watching. We really really appreciate it and Remember that Jesus is
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King Go speak with the authority of Christ Go live in the victory of Christ and continue to go share the gospel of Christ.