Why Black Lives Matter is Satanic

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Hey buddy, it's Justin, sorry

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I didn't get to call you right back, or even call back today, really. I've been really trying to get me to be able to breathe, and trying to take care of the situation.

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They got me on some medicine, I can't even think hard as well. Anyway, when you need a time, give me a shout.

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Hey buddy, I'm sorry I fell asleep while I was talking to you, or leaving a message a minute ago, I'm sorry.

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The medicine they have me on is pretty powerful, and it's knocking me out. But I want to talk to you more about that, what you were talking about earlier.

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And I love you, and I understand where you're coming from. And I just want to talk with you about it, so you know where we're at.

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So give me a call when you can, and I would love to talk to you. Alright buddy, see ya. God bless you.

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Alright, we are live. That was an actual voice message that was left to me by Pastor Justin Pierce.

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He actually did fall asleep while leaving a voicemail. This is why you don't call people when you're going in.

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I think it was kidney surgery, or I forget what he was in for.

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He's calling me from the hospital. I forgot that I had that voicemail until he mentioned it. And I said, oh,

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I can quickly get that and throw it into the queue for you guys to enjoy listening to him fall asleep while leaving a message.

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Alright, well this is Apologetics Live. We're glad that you're here with us tonight. I'm going to be letting

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Dr. Silvestro take the reins, which is always dangerous. And he is going to be joined by Pastor Justin Pierce.

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Alright, so you guys are going to talk on an issue that is not controversial at all.

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I saw the title. I realize that there's going to be no controversy here, so I can just leave and feel comfortable that there will be no fires burning.

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There will be no, nothing could possibly go wrong. How many seconds do we think that Andrew Rappaport is going to leave this conversation?

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Yeah, I mean, you're talking on something that, you know, like the title is

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Black Lives Matter Satanic. I mean, like, really, what do you got? Okay, well, you know,

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I think I'm going to be able to trust that you guys could do this. Anthony's got to figure out how to add people because we got

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John there if he doesn't fall asleep. Do we got Mike? Mike is back.

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That's Mike. Big Mike. What are you doing, buddy? He can't hear you.

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Let's wave. Everybody wave. There's a big wave to Big Mike. So for folks who don't know, this is

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If you feel like giving some challenges, anyone want to throw some social justice warriors their way, go for it.

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Get your social justice friends to call in and give Anthony a hard time.

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I won't be here, so it'll be fine. As far as announcements, don't know,

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Anthony, I'm trying to think. I don't know that we have any speaking events until like August.

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Until August, yeah. I mean, the only thing I have to say is Italian lives matter. We're going to start that off tonight.

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Italian lives matter. I thought Irish lives and Scottish lives. I kind of got

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Scotch -Irish going on there. They matter too. Whatever you do, do not say all.

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If you use the word all, you're in trouble. Yeah, that's right. So we have to be specific about every group.

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Every specific ethnic group has to be represented. So Justin, did you find it was more pleasurable to try to talk with Andrew while you were hopped up on pain medication, falling asleep than it is when you're actually awake?

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Well, what he's not telling you is that while I was on the medication, I had just come back from surgery for a ruptured appendix and it was really bad.

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I spent years recovering from it. But while I was in a hospital, I kept calling him because I was trying to convince him that Just for Men, the hair product was a good idea, even if you are

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Jewish. The white hair and stuff like that, it looks good, but it kind of gives you that older definition.

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I was trying to help him understand that, but he just couldn't catch it. I really was trying to help him.

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Okay, maybe not. I don't remember what the conversation was about. All I remember is he calls me up and says,

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Hey, I got this for you or sends me a text and says, I got this for you. And I was embarrassed as could be, but it was hilarious.

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Just the fact that you, I don't remember what it was about. It was just that you fell asleep while leaving me a message. And it was like, literally, you're still on the phone and it was still coming.

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Oh, it was probably a good while that I was laying there because the medication they had me on,

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I didn't know my name, your name or anybody else. I didn't know what was going on. The question I would like to know is what was that medication?

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Because I'd like to get it for Anthony. I don't have a clue. I really don't remember. That could be good.

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Whatever it was, it didn't stop the pain. It just stopped me from knowing anything was going on. Yeah, that's good.

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So, Pastor Justin, we get to do a second show on Black Lives Matter.

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Because last week, the way it worked out was it was supposed to be you and I doing the show, right? And Andrew was going to back out.

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And here was the funniest thing. Andrew spent probably half the time talking and we shared the other half.

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And after the show, like literally the next day, you probably don't know this yet. Maybe I told you, I don't know. But the next day he says, you know,

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I had to talk because you guys weren't prepared. You guys, I got to teach you guys how to prepare. I go, oh man.

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Do you recognize, Andrew, that Justin has 18 pages of notes? 23 now. I had 14 pages of notes.

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And I go, we had already spent a few hours on the phone discussing exactly what we were going to be doing.

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But, you know, whatever. It was fun last week. So we're going to get through your actual notes today.

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But before we get to this, I mean, first we want to say for anybody who's listening, if you have questions about Black Lives Matter, if you have questions about social justice, which is very much tied to it, if you have questions about cultural

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Marxism, if you have questions about any nonsense like that, please come in, ask questions.

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You can come in live. We'll let you in. Or if you can just put a question into the comment bar, we'll go ahead and answer some of those questions.

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But before we get to Black Lives Matter, I have an article that Mike Stockwell and I pulled up this morning.

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And it was a shocker. So I was reading somebody's Facebook page who was talking about the

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Christian rock star who lost his faith, right? Not my words, theirs. And so it's regarding John Steingard, guitarist for the band

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Hawk Nelson. And he came out and said he no longer believes in God. And so somebody posted,

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I'm not going to say who, because I like this guy, but he posted this article that somebody wrote in response to Hawk Nelson.

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And that's the article that I want to bring up, because this article, he said, was a very good response.

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This article was written by none other than Sean McDowell. So this is

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Sean McDowell. It's a blog he wrote. It's dated May 27th, 2020.

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And it is titled Christian Rock Star Loses His Faith, Three Big Lessons for the

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Church. Now, Justin, I think at some point I would love to have you on and maybe even

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Andrew, and we can talk about presuppositional apologetics. Why it is the only biblical method in terms of apologetics.

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Yes, we can use evidential. Yes, we use some classical. But it always has to be in the framework of a presuppositional foundation.

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And so I want to be able to do a show on this. And here is why. Sean McDowell, considered one of the top apologists out there, right?

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If you read the top 20 lists that different magazines and others put out, he's always, almost always in the top 20 list.

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And so let me read a paragraph here in regards to somebody who wrote this and is considered a top 20 apologist.

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Be ready for this. He says, in their book, Sticky Faith, Cara Powell and Chap Clark show that young people do not often abandon their faith solely because of doubt.

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Now, of course, you and I would both agree that you don't abandon your you don't lose salvation once you're once you what's been

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God's been granted to you. Salvation, repentance and faith. The Holy Spirit enters into you and does not leave you is a guarantee of our inheritance.

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So so, you know, I'm going to dismiss that for sentence right off the bat. But it goes on, it says, rather, it is unexpressed doubt that is corrosive to faith.

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Believe it or not, but I, Sean McDowell, still have some doubts today.

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I am not certain Christianity is true. I am confident, but not certain.

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My doubts drive me to find answers and also to rest in God's grace.

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I don't know about you, but this this isn't just troubling.

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I think it's downright blasphemy. How do you do this? How do you say you're not certain?

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I mean, he goes on later on in the article in his third reason, second or third reason. He says, ultimately, I'm a

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Christian because I believe Jesus rose from the dead. The resurrection of Jesus is existentially powerful and historically credible.

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But you have to think about it. The concept here is is the the religious concept, the religious norm of society.

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And what we're going to talk about later on, actually, the socialism, the social

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Marxism and the communist mantra. Of exchanging

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Christianity and true religion for the cultural religion is is what is part of the agenda.

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You know, when you have big names, you know, and I'll tell you, there's a major problem with having big names that tell you big things because they're big names.

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OK, I could care less if you're you know, if you're if you have a big name attached to yourself and you have millions of followers.

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What I want to know is, is are you biblically astute and are you are you capable of rightly dividing the word of truth?

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Our our foundational axiom is the word of God. OK, and it is a spirit revealed when he says, you know, that he has his doubts.

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You know, when he when he says he has his doubts, it's coming from the concept that it's OK to doubt

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Christ and to doubt God. What's he doubting? You know, what's he doubting?

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I don't understand that concept myself. But for the world, it's OK to say I haven't achieved or I haven't attained.

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I'm always looking for truth, but I've never actually found it. It sounds nice. It sounds really good.

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Although Jesus said, I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes the father, except how through him, through me.

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He is exclusive and he doesn't he doesn't relent. He doesn't back down.

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And he's not going to play a social game. He's not going to play a world's game. He's going to come in his way.

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And that's the only way he's going to accept. So, yeah, no. And we can certainly break this down.

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Maybe next week, even. We'll we'll tackle this because I was very I was very disturbed in reading this.

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I mean, he gets into all kinds of churches loaded with kids, loaded with church kids.

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And this is what they're hearing. I'm just extremely, extremely troubled.

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And obviously, this flies directly in the face of Romans one, the general revelation we have of God.

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Romans two general revelation we have of God. This flies directly in the face of all this, let alone a guy who's who's an apologist who should know better.

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Jesus didn't walk around trying to prove himself to people. He he said the law and the prophets testify to me.

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That's it. It was really simple. Paul didn't walk into into conversations.

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Acts 17. He didn't walk into conversations trying to lay evidence upon evidence upon evidence to try to prove the existence of God.

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He says, no, no, no. Your statue there. That's that's the one God. That's the one true

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God. I'm just I'm floored by this. But having said that, let's shift gears.

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We'll we'll come back to this next week. But OK, so Black Lives Matter.

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OK, I know there's going to be people. There are people who probably look at this title.

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Why Black Lives Matter is satanic. We're going to say it today. Stick with us for the next hour and 45 minutes and you will understand exactly how it's satanic.

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I also want to say one other thing just to make sure we have terms right, because we're going to be talking about some cultural

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Marxism today. And I know, Justin, when you sent that article to me and Andrew earlier, it talked about this just a little bit.

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So when we understand society, we look at a capitalistic society, pure capitalism.

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And the other side would be would be pure communism. Marxism is a philosophy.

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So Marxism is a philosophy that lends itself to what we would call social, a socialistic agenda.

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And so laws that get put that get put into place achieve, achieve socialistic ideals based off of Marxist philosophy.

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And when that socialist, when that socialist, when the socialistic ideals continue to pile up to to the umpteenth degree, it becomes communism.

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And so so we I want to make sure we understand some of those concepts right as we as we talk today.

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But having said all that, I think we should open up again with Colossians two verses eight through ten.

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Amen. So see to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.

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For in him, all fullness of deity dwells in bodily form, and in him you have been made complete.

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And he is the head over all rule and all authority. And so this this is a really interesting passage, because what

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I look at here and what I see in many other passages is, is there's clearly only two worlds, according to God.

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So two worldviews, according to God. Yeah, right. There is there is the Christian worldview, the correct worldview, and there is literally everything else.

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Everything else is lumped together, whether you believe in in Islam or you believe in Mormonism or you believe in yada yada, whatever.

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All of those get placed in the exact same category, which is unbelievers. And we see here that that there is two categories as well.

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There is there is the philosophy and empty deception side, which is according to the tradition of men, which is also according to the elementary principles of the world.

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That's one side. And then the other side is according to Christ. Exactly right.

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Very plain to see that distinction here. And in what I what

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I thought was really interesting in doing some word study here is is with some of the

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Greek words here. Takes you captive is a is a combination of several Greek words that that talk about the booty, like what somebody would steal somebody, what somebody would steal from somebody like the loot or the booty and then to carry off.

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So so we see here takes you captive is literally somebody taking something from you and then carrying it away.

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And in this case, it would be your minds. Exactly. Carried off by the deceit, by the empty deception and philosophy.

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So I don't know if you want to speak to that at all here, Justin. Well, what I was going to say is, is when we're talking about the the philosophies that we see, this the intellectual intellectual ideologies that we are seeing today, it's no accident that they've come about the way they have.

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We see that I was actually just having a conversation with three different professing Christians and they had posted.

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If you something about Black Lives Matters from Dwayne The Rock Johnson and something that he had posted and he got it from somebody else.

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And it was talking about it was taking the the the scripture out of context when Jesus was dealing with the one sheep that was lost, the 99 that were saved.

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And and it was trying to apply a completely bad context to it.

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And I was trying to explain to these professing Christians that, you know, context matters.

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And what we're talking about matters and you can't apply it where where it doesn't apply.

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And they're talking about this is proof that Jesus was involved or comfortable with with socialism.

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And and he was comfortable with the, you know, the haves and have nots and and crushing slavery and oppression.

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They just went on and on and on. And as other Christians were trying to talk to them about their demeanor, their attitude, their character and conduct, words like stupid, fool, dope, idiot of the system.

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All of these things were coming out of these Christians mouths or, you know, typing, shall I say. And so as I was talking with them,

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I was trying to explain to them the difference between the Christian worldview and the philosophical worldview that has come about since.

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Since always back in the in the World War One, World War Two, it's come through this ideology of socialism,

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Marxist, you know, you know, Marxist belief in theory and in communism, you know.

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And I came across and I do not remember how I came across it, a book that was it's called

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The Naked Socialist. And it was written in I want to say it was written in 60, 66 or 55.

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So it was it was written a while back, written quite a while back. And I had

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I had done some research into it. And there is a

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FBI counterintelligence director who studied socialism,

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Marxism. He studied, you know, communism and whatnot. And he has he has broken down and explained what is going on with the communist manifesto and the and the pillars of socialism and what they want to do.

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And it's all philosophical. It's all philosophical. And when you're talking about Black Lives Matters, you have to think about this.

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The ideologies that they have come to, Antifa, Black Lives Matters, socialism,

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Marxism, all of that, their their philosophies, they didn't come out of out of nothing.

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You know, they came from from the the high plains of intellectual thought up on those ivory towers of lofty opinions over at the colleges that were untouchable.

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They were unquestionable. And these people brought in more and more of their

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Marxist socialist teaching, their victimization teaching. And brothers and sisters, we as the body of Christ have to deal with it.

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We have to know how to deal with it, to identify it and to speak to it and against it.

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You know, I mean, as I was talking to three Christians yesterday, I explained to them that the the dividing factor of all of humanity and the uniting factor of the elect is

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Jesus Christ. I was called a coward because I wanted to hide behind the cross of Jesus Christ and not stand up and declare that Black Lives Matters and that if I don't stand with Black Lives Matters, I'm a sellout.

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Brothers and sisters, that's that's the philosophy of the world. That's philosophy of the world, and it's come into the church.

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It's come into the body of Christ. I don't know if you've noticed it or not, but can you guys possibly do as many links as you can to all of the organizations that have given themselves over wholeheartedly to BLM?

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Everybody has. And if you don't, you are an enemy.

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You are seen as the person that is terrible in every single way.

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You are the troll, the cretin. You are the one that needs to be crushed and defeated.

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And if you say that the only legitimate life that matters is that one that is created in the image of Almighty God, Italian lives matter.

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If you say something like that, Irish lives matter. Scottish lives matter.

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If you say anything like that, if you say blue lives matter, if you say, okay, let's be consistent.

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Black lives matter. All black lives matter. Let's say that. Let's all agree to it.

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All black lives matter. Every single baby that's murdered mattered. Every single one.

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And every single person that has been gunned down, shot down, drugged, dealershipped, and everything else, from every walk of life and every community that they're in, if all of their lives matter equally, let's be logically consistent, then

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God is the God on the throne and He hates all murder. And we have to be the ones that have the antidote.

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And that is in Jesus Christ. It won't ever be found in social justice. Yeah, that's right.

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You know, I love this comment that I just put up here. I don't believe left -wing at this point can be a

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Christian. If they claim to be, then to the left they are conservatives. Therefore, left -wingers cannot be Christian by the logic as we're seeing.

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And, you know, this really goes right into what you were just talking about. Even if we look at one issue and one issue alone, abortion.

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Amen. The leftist side is full on board for Planned Parenthood, full on board for abortion.

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And if nothing else, it is. And granted, there is a whole lot of other reasons that a

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Christian can't be left in terms of politics. But abortion itself should be the one that causes every single professing

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Christian to say, I can't join there. I'm not saying you've got to be on the right. I'm not saying you've got to align yourself with anybody in particular on the right, although I have my opinions on that.

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I'm just saying you can't possibly be on the left. So, yeah, I agree with you there.

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But I want to go back to something you were just talking about. You were talking about, and I know this is in some of your notes as well, the dismantling of America, systemic dismantling of America, that, look, whether people want to agree with it or not, this was a nation built on Christian ideals.

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And I'm not saying that all our founding fathers were Christian. They weren't. I'm not saying the ones that were Christian were theologically deep.

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I'm just saying that from a bare bones basic level, this was founded on Christian ideals.

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I mean, we see this in Declaration of Independence, that our creator endowed certain rights, inalienable rights to people.

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So rights are not from the governments. They're not from, again, elected officials, laws on the books, our opinions.

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Rights come directly from God. And so we see that this country that was built on these ideals, correct foundation to a degree, has been dismantled.

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And all the dismantling that's going on is literally, or are literally things that goes directly against scripture.

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Black Lives Matter. We talked about this last week. We went through the 13 bullet points last week, nine of which are cultural

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Marxism, nine of which are directly against what the Bible teaches. And so this is – it's insane to watch this.

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But I want to go back even further, because you bring up the idea of Stalin and socialism.

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And so I want to pick your brain on this in a moment. But I would surmise that it goes back a little bit earlier.

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So we have the Communist Manifesto that was written, what, 1850s, in that neighborhood.

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And that was by Karl Marx, who we pointed out last week towards the end of the show, he used the same language, the proletariat and bourgeoisie, that was used during not only

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French Revolution, but by the French Enlightenment period leading up to the French Revolution. Exactly.

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It's clear that this was a continuation of the same philosophy that was going on. Going from the age of God to an age of what they would call reason, which is essentially against God.

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Yeah. But all this comes to a head in America in the early 1900s. And so there was a meeting that was called the

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Upper Room Meeting in Lower Manhattan, 1905. And out of this meeting came a group of people called the

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Intercollegiate Socialist Society. In this society, there were numerous, numerous people who had wealth that did everything they could to flip this country to a socialist nation, taking what was learned off of Karl Marx and other philosophers after him, and being able to do this to America.

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And so they laid out this plan that we're really seeing come to fruition in the last, oh, 30 years of the homosexual agenda, the last five to ten years where things have just been way in our face, the last couple years with Black Lives Matter and Antifa.

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But this all goes back to 1905. And so there's interesting ties in this

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Intercollegiate Socialist Society was tied to the Socialist Party that was in America at the time.

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The Socialist Party seemed to die out somewhere in the late teens, early 20s.

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But in reality, what they did is they wrapped themselves up into the Democrats. And this is where you have different spurts.

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I mean, think about in our past where you had the government having Q &A, right, with other government officials about communists that have infiltrated the government.

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It all goes back to this meeting and the socialistic agenda that was being put in. But it was well -funded by a number of guys, interesting to point out, very much like Antifa, right?

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Antifa guys, as I think you pointed out last week, Justin, are guys that are students at Harvard, Yale, Duke, Stanford, all these way -left colleges, kids who grew up with, if you want to talk about white privilege, they grew up with a classic, what they would call classic white privilege and are now trying to go and fight what they would call white privilege.

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It's really mind -numbing to think about it. But these are the same colleges that were targeted way back in the day by this intercollegiate society.

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So led by guys like John Dewey and others, they said the way we're going to flip this country is by going to the colleges and we're going to get new professors trained that are going to go in and teach these ideals.

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And when we get the professors trained, that those professors will train the students and eventually we'll have this cycle going in the teaching realm.

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And that's exactly what they've done and what they've accomplished over the years. And so we go from 1905, where this meeting was first held, as far as we know.

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It may have started earlier, but this is the first official one we know of. It is written documentation. And by the time 19,

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I think it was 17 rolls around, they had 40 college campuses that had this society on the rolls there in terms of an official student organization.

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So they moved actually quite quickly and got getting into those college campuses. And they were able to change everything at that point.

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Exactly. So on that, I mean, you have some notes about Stalin.

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And so what have you picked up about Stalin? Because he was going on during this time period as they're getting into the colleges.

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Well, what you got to think about, and I want to make sure that nobody gets bogged down in the minutia of what's going on, because what we're talking about is why is this explosion of ideologies and warring going on today?

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Why is it going on right now? And I believe with all of my heart that this is a part of an agenda.

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I believe that the lockdown, even though, yes, it was partially due to the fact that we were worried that something was going to happen to each and every one of our families, and all of our children were going to die, and everybody over 40 was going to die, and every old person was going to die in the

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United States, and all of our aunts and uncles, they were all at risk. And if you breathe within a mile and a half of somebody, you could all die.

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And it was terrifying. My children were scared. I'm talking to them about even if you do get sick,

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I don't see it happening, but if you do get sick, the chances are you're going to recover. And if you don't, are they threatening you with heaven?

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And that's what I try to tell them. But you think about it, the complete lockdown turned into a police state.

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And for much of the society, you had Christians being arrested. You had churches being forced to shut down, threatened to shut down.

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You had people in parks enjoying their time under social distance orders being put in jail.

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You had all of these things going on that we all looked in shock saying, what's going on?

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You have the governor of Virginia, everybody's calling him Adolf Hitler now because of the stuff he's doing, and you think, what's going on?

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And then all of a sudden, like a day after they say we're going to start to ease up on some things, some restraints, a few days, all of a sudden we have to go to absolute anarchy and chaos and destruction, and everybody's coming together to just destroy.

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And I have the opinion based on the studies that I've done in the naked socialists and talking about the exposing of socialists and in the

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Communist Manifesto, I have the opinion that what we're seeing is part of the agenda.

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Now, in order to explain it, I want to tell you part of the Communist Manifesto, just a few of the things that they say is part of their goals and desires.

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And this was in the Communist Manifesto written in 18, I believe it was around 1870, 1855, somewhere in Iberia.

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It was written to warn everyone and to get everyone on the same goal.

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This is communism. Before I do that, I want to read something to you from the author of The Naked Socialist.

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He says, the goal of socialism is communism. What is usually called socialism was termed by Marx the first or lower phase of communist society.

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And he says this, Western culture has adopted socialist thinking for a very long time, but not in a vacuum.

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Guiding it all along have been a number of socialist objectives, targets and goals.

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They come in the form of friendly solutions that play on our natural human weaknesses.

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They promise something for nothing, an easier life, the benefits without the costs, the fix for all things, fairness, social justice.

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Just give socialism a try. I mean, that was Bernie's mantra is, you know, socialism works, give it a try.

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These objectives and goals have a great worldwide following today.

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Most people don't realize that these goals are designed to soften them up, to prepare them for the final collapse of freedom and the birth of the global rulers law, international socialism and a new world order.

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You've heard that term bantered around when you were a kid, but most people don't remember that term, the new world order.

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And this is not something that is conspiratorial. This is directly out of Marx and Kant and all of these really, really bad influences upon the world.

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He says, for a lack of understanding, many loyal defenders of freedom are supporting the goals of socialism.

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You see, they don't understand. And I'm convinced that a lot of these people that are out here marching and screaming and yelling, that call themselves

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Christians, that call themselves, you know, believers and that they love

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America. They don't understand that they've been duped into a false teaching and a false system because they've never heard it.

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All they've heard is the is the lauded lofty goodnesses of, you know, giving all things to socialism and communism.

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You know, that's all they've ever heard. But listen to I just want you to listen quickly to some of the points on communists on the

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Communist Manifesto, an abolishment to all property and land and application for all rents and of land to public purposes, heavy, progressive, gradual income tax, abolishment of right of inheritance, confiscation of property for all immigrants and rebels, centralizing of the credit of in the hands of the state by means of national banks, centralization by means of the communication and transport at the hand of the state, extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state.

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Do you guys remember who just bailed out a large motor company because they were too big to fail and they had to be bailed out and the country was going to own a percentage of it?

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Remember who that was? Barack Obama did that. Equal liability to all labor, establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture, combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, free education for all children in public schools, abolition of children's factory labor in its present form, not complete abolition, but its present form.

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Frank Roberg got the right answer, GM. It goes on and on and on and on of what their stated goals and desires was, and it was to bring about a complete decay and destruction of the national identity.

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Let's see if you guys remember this term, the Great Melting Pot. The Great Melting Pot is

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America. We used to be a people that said, it's even on the

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Statue of Liberty, tells us to bring us your poor, your sick, your tired, bring us all of these ones that want to come to this world and identify as Americans.

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They want to come and make themselves life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, to become a part of a unified society where we, the people, work together for the common good of all mankind.

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As we, the people, and that's the stressed point is you and me, you and me, we, the people, not the government, not the ruler class, not those ones that are in absolute control and oligarchical power.

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It's not those, it's the ones that are the people trying to work together, and that's the point.

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It's not a free gift. It's not a handout for everybody. It's that we are working together, and we would call it for the common good.

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But what's happened, I'm sorry, go ahead. But of course, I mean, they sell it as a way of being able to all work together for the common good, but in reality, communism always has one or multiple people that are in power and actually have lots of wealth, and everybody else is still way down at the bottom.

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There's never a chance to move up, so that's really what it works out to being.

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But taking what you have there with the Communist Manifesto and Marxism, how this translates to Black Lives Matter is that in the

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Communist Manifesto, it was in regards strictly to economic egalitarianism.

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Exactly. It was about evening out the money and the output, right? And so that was the issue there.

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And of course, Karl Marx was anti -God, anti -Christian. He hated that worldview, just like the rest of almost all the philosophers of the

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Enlightenment period did. But what cultural Marxism does today is it takes that concept for economic egalitarianism and tries to apply it everywhere.

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So we see that Black Lives Matter, one of their points is in regards to the economic side, but then they've wrapped in every other radical leftist agenda that we have out there today, starting with homosexuality, transgenderism, and whatnot.

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And so this is what we're seeing today. Exactly. And what I was going to say is the reason that our writer on The Naked Socialist says that socialism is the beginning steps for communism, the reason he says that, that socialism is communism, it's communism lite.

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And the reason he says that is when you look at the total dictatorial control of all wealth, all finances, and all thought, all actions, and all humanity, that everyone is under the boot.

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If you've ever seen the movie or read the book, most people see a movie. So if you ever see the movie, if you haven't, you need to see it tonight, tomorrow, the next day, and it's got some bad stuff in it.

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But 1984, it's not a Christian book, it's not a Christian movie, but it tells you a warning about what's going to come if the nation turns its back against God and turns towards humanism, secular humanism.

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If we turn towards the Darwinian atheistic humanistic philosophy, what we're going to turn to is the idea that there is a power within humanity to lift itself up by its own bootstraps and thereby push everyone else down.

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That's the natural outcome. That's the natural outcome of these things. And with socialism and BLM, there is a direct corollary.

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If I could, I'm going to go as fast as I can so that we don't waste a lot of time, but Anthony, if you're okay with it,

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I want to go through some of the points on the current goals of socialism and see if you can pick out any of them that you've heard in BLM or Antifa or anything going on today.

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Promote socialism and demean capitalism, number one. Promote the

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UN. Oh, yeah. No national boundaries. Eliminate all sovereignty of nations.

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Install... Oops, I went really fast on that one. Install environmental rulers.

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Okay. One world currency, control of the Internet, establishment of economic rulers, economic equality.

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Uses the United Nations to declare social justice to force all nations to guarantee employment, protection, participation, and uniform labor practices regardless of gender, race, ethnicity, religion.

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And if you don't think that that's not part of the transgender athlete movement, you're wrong.

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Rulers' law, and this is important. Rulers' law legitimizes the general use of dictatorial powers by rulers, and listen to this, under executive orders.

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Do you know what's going on right now and why there's rioting going on right now? Because the powers that are in the background are moving the hands of the rioters to try to enforce or force

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Donald Trump, our president, to have to come in with military to force dictatorial control by divine fiat on his executive orders.

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And we've seen executive orders that have built up and up and up and up. But this is part of it, to tell you that an executive order is just as good as any law, because the

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Constitution doesn't matter anyway. It's the opinion of the divine ruler, not divine ruler, but the earthly ruler.

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And because point number 10 is, is they want to render Congress irrelevant. They want to subordinate local government, destroy representation worldwide, dethrone ruling parties such as that we see today and make them irrelevant.

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And I thought this one was very ingenious. Uphold the 17th

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Amendment. And that means to inflame suspicion about repealing the 17th

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Amendment, warning that making senators beholden to the state legislature would unleash backdoor deals and make collusion.

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We've heard about this. We've heard about this. Deflate the Constitutional Convention of States.

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Have you guys heard anything about the Convention of States? Guys, the

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Convention of States is what was put in the Constitution to help us as we, the people, when a government begins to go out of control, because the power was supposed to be to the states.

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States, not fed. Exactly. But you see, the socialists and the communists don't want that.

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They want to regulate energy, eliminate private property, regulate transportation. That's part of both agendas.

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Destroy family culture. Redefine normal and healthy.

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I'm going to read both of these out loud. Destroy family culture. Encourage the collapse of ties between husband and wife, children and parents, people and church by promoting pornography as a right granted by freedom of speech.

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Man, that's huge. That's huge. You know why we have DVDs? You know why we're going away from that?

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We're going to MP3s and all that? Because of the pornography industry. It's the biggest user of the

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Internet media. Redefine normal and healthy. Present homosexuality, daigrancy, promiscuity as the new class of people as normal, natural, and healthy.

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Now, who was it that said that he thinks that the greatest people around are the homosexual people?

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Barack Obama. Destroy the sacrament of marriage. Discredit traditional families.

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Destroy gender distinctions. Universal access to abortion.

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Limit family size. Replace God -centered religion with humanist religion. Destroy church economies.

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Eliminate cash in the market system. International health care. Supreme world courts.

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Create one world super legislation. Environmental rights supersede the human rights.

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Nationalize all natural resources.

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Unilaterally destroy nuclear weapons. Obviously, the one that has to be in there is neutralize

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Israel. Nationalize all industry. And sync all animal rights with human rights.

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Why would you think that would be necessary? Well, because they believe in evolution. It diminishes us and the image of God that we are made in.

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So, yeah, I mean, this stuff is all really striking. And I think that anybody listening to this should be floored in terms of this stuff.

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But I think what I want to do now is let's shift gears into how do we teach people listening to defend themselves as biblical

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Christians? So, you know, I saw the comment is way high now, but I was going to post a comment, but somebody did ask about that.

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And I think it was Jess, but I'm not positive. But so how do we defend ourselves?

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And I think the place to start is with their own words.

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So they keep throwing the word systemic out. Right. And so it's systemic injustice, which and systemic racism, systemic whatever, fill in the blank.

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Right. And so this is where they believe that that it's it's this isn't an individual issue.

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This is a problem that is woven into the very fabric of society. And so here's here's definitions of systemic related to a system, especially as opposed to a part or something that is spread throughout affecting a group or system such as society as a whole.

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And so what they're telling us, what they're marching on, what they're riding over is that they the

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BLM movement claims the entire system of government, education, justice, economics and so on, is rigged against black people, specifically rigged against black people.

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And so and so this is this is the first issue that we have to deal with.

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Look, I think we would both admit that racism, which we talked about last week, can only exist in a secular worldview.

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I mean, outside the Bible, because the Bible teaches one blood, one race. So a

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Christian cannot acknowledge if there's if they if they believe the Bible, they can't acknowledge multiple races.

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They can acknowledge multiple nationalities. They can they can acknowledge different ethnicities, but they cannot acknowledge different races or races.

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So that means then that we can't talk about racism from a

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Christian perspective. We have to literally talk about racism from a humanistic or secular perspective, evolutionary worldview.

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And when we do that, this is where I think it gets really interesting is.

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Do people commit acts of what of what they would call racism. So that means that by definition, that some people commit crimes or they have prejudices against somebody else due to the shade of their skin, depending on because, you know, it doesn't just go the way they claim.

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Right. It goes all kinds of different directions in reality. I mean, your Irish heritage, you know, there is how many signs that said red hair need not apply during World War One and World War Two.

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You know, what what about Italians and Japanese who were discriminated against majorly during World War One and especially during World War Two?

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I mean, so so these things have existed for for a long time with all different types of groups.

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But but having said all that, when it when it comes to racism in the secular world. Is it a systemic problem, the racism?

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Because as far as I know, there are no laws in the books, none that exist that still promote, say,

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Jim Crow laws. Well, let's let's go and talk about that. Let's talk about that. OK, I'm pretty.

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Let's talk about that. You're a good replacement for Andrew. There you go. Where did Jim where did

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Jim Crow come from? Does anybody know where the Jim Crow laws can come from? KKK with the

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Margaret Sanger and all that stuff come from where the where did the Republican convention come from?

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It came out of response to stop what was going on in the

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Democratic Party. The Democrats were the party of the KKK and Jim Crow. And if you guys have been doing any studying at all, you'll you'll recall that the reason that our prison systems are overrun right now is because people like Bill Clinton, like Hillary Clinton and people like.

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Oh, what's what's his name? Let me think. What's his name? Oh, Joe Biden. That's it. Made laws.

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You just have a Joe Biden moment. And I was being facetious. They made laws that were designed at the time to promote their racism because brothers and sisters, they're not

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Christians. I'm sorry, they're not Christians. But now they want to rewrite history.

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And that's part of the socialist manifesto. That's the part of the socialist agenda on the 46 points of of intersection that they want.

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And listen, number 43 is to rewrite history, to decredit discredit American culture.

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Look, our nation started out was birthed out of being oppressed people, religious oppressed people.

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I mean, look, you want to figure out how to fix the issues, start teaching real history and stop this this revisionist history that's going on.

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Yeah, it's it's it's we come from a nation of of immigrants that have come to this point to this country, and they were oppressed.

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They were hated the English church and the English monarchy. They didn't want them around because they were the reformers and they were the

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Anabaptists and they were out and they did not want to be a part of the

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Roman Catholic system. They came out of that system. And so they were brought here and basically thrown out in the dirt and said, if you make a living, we'll take taxation from you.

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And if you don't, you'll die. And so they were perfectly happy to live their lives in this free world, knowing that they could die at any moment, any moment.

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And many did. Yeah. And they built a culture and a society. What what what is infuriating to me is to hear people that say they want to have their equal rights, but not on equal footing.

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They want equal outcome. They just don't want the equal footing. OK, if, say, for example, for your feminist out there, those feminists that want to argue and complain that all the the men are oppressing them and everything else.

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I've never I mean, I used to work in sewers and stuff like that.

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And I've never seen a woman down there wanting to clean out the toilet system from from the industrial sewers.

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I've never seen a woman want to go in there and clean out the bilge pumps and the sewage pumps and and all those things.

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And I've worked in that culture. And equality here means equality based upon power.

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OK, we had people all throughout our history that were willing to do the most menial, destructive jobs to their own bodies and their own lives for their next generation.

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You see, what we're having now is an issue of partiality. We're having a people that says,

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I'm not willing to work hard because I've been taught that I don't need to, that I deserve it. And I want to be treated well based on stuff

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I didn't do. Or I want to have someone give give us our our recompense based upon a family lineage that, you know, was oppressed.

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You know, you want to have the what is what is they're calling it now? They're they're they're trying to talk about they want their they want the money, the all of the reparations.

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Thank you. I couldn't get it in my mind. Yeah. Well, so so let's stop there, because I want to make sure,

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Justin, that we we tackle each point as we walk through to for people to be to be helped through this.

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And so, you know, and we've got a couple of questions. So we we were asked, what are the

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Jim Crow laws? Linda got to it before I was able to speak. But but this is but this is what they are.

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They were they were state and local laws and for that enforced racial segregation, the southern exactly.

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So this would be your black and white water fountains. Yep. And many other black and white bathrooms, things like that.

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So so there was segregation at that time. And the point about about going going back to the systemic issue is that systemically.

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There there is this is not woven into the fabric of society any longer. Exactly the time we had these laws in place.

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And guess what? They got all eradicated. Yeah, they were fought and they were eradicated. But think about this before you go any further.

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They were fought equally by the black community as well as they were by the

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Christian white community, the Christian black community and the Christian white community. Even the non -Christians were equally fighting and walking and marching and standing against this.

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I mean, John MacArthur has a wonderful discussion about how he was right amongst the people that were walking along and marching in Selma.

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And they were walking and marching for the freedoms that we can all enjoy. Now, now, look, we can't say that there there never has been any racism, but racism is born out of the ignorance of evolution.

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Darwinian evolution of of, you know, Big Bang cosmology. It's born out of Darwin.

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It's born out of socialism. And by the way, socialism and communism is born out of Darwin.

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It's born out of that ideology of of naturalistic world, you know, a uncreated world that comes from nothing, you know, out of out of nothing to nothing, from nothing and by random chance.

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And, you know, you talked about it in your sermon. I'm going to I really want you to get into that in just a minute.

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You talked about in your sermon talking about, you know, the different apes that that were evolved out of the primordial soup or the ooze and the ape like creatures, you know, that came out of that.

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And they were all of different intellects, strengths, powers, weaknesses. And this was this was taught in our schools.

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It was taught in our schools, and that's what we're seeing today. Good. No, absolutely.

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And so so when we when we talk about this, this systemic racism again, it's it's that it's we don't see it embedded in the fabric of America.

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It doesn't mean that racism doesn't exist. It doesn't mean that there aren't people who still who still have racist viewpoints or do things in what they would call a racist manner.

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The problem is, is that what is the solution? Is it possible this is a yes or no question,

01:01:02

Justin. Is it possible for the government to legislate away somebody's thoughts, meaning that if somebody has a racist thought, if somebody wants to be racist, if somebody decides they want to be black and hate somebody just because the color of their skin, which is lighter, or vice versa, if somebody is lighter and they want to hit somebody because they're black.

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Can you legislate those slots? Can you pass a law to get them to stop thinking that?

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Well, absolutely not. Not right. But you but you have to understand that's part of the ideology of the socialist.

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Oh, I get I know the ideology. What I'm saying is, is I'm trying. I'm not I'm not. I don't care about what they think, because what they think is of Satan.

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All I care about is what God thinks. I care about what the Bible teaches. I care about a Christian worldview viewpoint on this.

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I don't I don't care about what they say. Well, but when you're talking about the idea of systemic, you're talking about all inclusive.

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Well, we know we know. Yeah, we know. We know that.

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And there is no all inclusive except for that. We are all made, you know, Imago Dei.

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We are we are made in the image of God. OK, but there are two peoples. There are the people of God and the people of Satan.

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Right. From an identity perspective. And that's all we see in the Bible. That's all we see.

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You know, at one time it would have been it would have been the it would have been everybody God created.

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Right. And then he takes Abraham and plants him away from his land into a new land.

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And and God fashions a people for himself out of him. Right. And so at that exactly a separation between between the actual progeny of Abraham versus everybody else.

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But then going forward, yeah, that we end up seeing now today is either the saved or the unsaved.

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See, the the thing that you have, though, is you don't have to save the unsaved. That's the systemic ideology and philosophy of men, where it says the whole world is, you know, and I want to I want to predicate this here.

01:03:17

It says that the whole world is against this group. But and you've pointed this out last time you pointed this out in your sermon, why is that wrong in an atheistic worldview?

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Well, well, I mean, that that obviously is a is a major issue. Right. And so as we address the issue of racism and we clearly can say that laws can't change them as a

01:03:44

Facebook user has here correctly, is that only the gospel can. The gospel is what changes hearts and changes the mind and changes the way of thinking and causes somebody to not be racist.

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But you can't legislate it. You can't legislate it away. I had racism, though, is is exactly what you just said, is is if if we as Christians are allowing them to utilize their worldview and take it to its logical conclusion, then we should say the same evolution that would breed different races from different monkeys or different ape like creatures is the same worldview that says, who cares if somebody is being racist?

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Who cares if somebody kills someone else based on the color of their skin or the fact that they're weaker or the fact that they're less intelligent or whatever?

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Because in reality, evolution believes in in survival, the fittest. And so you should kill off the weakest and preserve the strongest so that those genes get passed on the next generation.

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And you can preserve the limited natural resources that are out there. I mean, this is classic evolution, classic natural selection, classic survival, the fittest.

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That's the reality. And so it's it's it's downright foolish. Of course, the

01:04:56

Bible would call them foolish for not believing in God. But but the Bible called foolish for this to to have a worldview that is literally self refuting in that manner.

01:05:05

Well, but think about it. It's it's our it's our duty. It's our calling as believers to to know the philosophical worldview of the world in any given situation, you know, to the

01:05:22

Scythian, the Greek, the Jew, the to everyone to try to know their worldview and their underlying reasoning.

01:05:29

Because when you when you when you're talking to people about why this is going on, of course,

01:05:35

I mean, I've seen I can't respond, but I've seen, you know, probably five or six questions asking, jumping out here saying, well, how do we deal with this and how do we deal with this?

01:05:46

The first thing is to have the Holy Spirit inside of you, the knowledge of the word of God inside of you to hide

01:05:53

God's word in your heart, because we have to recognize that this is partiality. The scripture in James two, one through four, maybe you can put it up on the screen.

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I don't know if you can, but I'm going to read it and maybe somebody can pull it up there. James two, one through four says, my brothers show no partiality as you hold the faith in our

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Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory. For if a man wearing a gold ring and fine clothing comes to you, your assembly and a poor man in shabby clothing also comes in.

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And if you pay attention to the one who wears the fine clothes and say, sit here in this good place while you say to the poor man, you stand over there and sit at my feet, sit down at my feet.

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Have you not then made distinction among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts? Now, if you think about what's saying there, this passage is telling us, number one, partiality is a sin.

01:06:51

Number one, you shouldn't look at somebody based upon their wealth and their credentials and their authority.

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Even if they have a billion Facebook followers or their social media acolytes or their media gurus or their just go on and on and on.

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You don't look at anyone and say, oh, this person is my idol because of this.

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And you never look at someone and say, this person is not worthy of respect and love because of the way they dress or their financial status, their social status.

01:07:31

OK, you see, how are we answering the issue of socialism in this passage?

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We don't show partiality. We don't respect rulers and allow them to trample us with vain philosophy.

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And we do not put the boot to the heel of those people that are truly oppressed.

01:07:51

Yeah, no, absolutely. Now, again, I want to keep hammering on this systemic racism issue as we're talking through this, because I want to read just a list of things here.

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OK, go ahead. There's no known laws on the books that perpetuate racism that we know of. If there is, let's eradicate them.

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Right. Absolutely. As far as we know, there's there's none that exist in America. So America has passed unprecedented civil rights legislation.

01:08:18

America has black governors and black congressmen and black judges and black Supreme Court justices and black mayors and black sheriffs and black police captains of black police by the thousands.

01:08:27

America has had a black president who's won two terms. American blacks have more than one trillion dollars in buying power.

01:08:36

Black Lives Matter proponents are unable to list racist laws or policies that support their accusations.

01:08:45

I mean, this this is the reality. What we're seeing is different than what they're saying and what they're saying.

01:08:51

They're not backing up. So they have this they have this perpetual cycle of just completely complaining, telling us what what they believe is going on in systemic racism and other issues.

01:09:04

And then they say, but I don't have the burden of proof to prove it to you. You have the burden of proof to prove to me that you're not exactly.

01:09:11

This is utterly ridiculous. There's no end game in sight for them now. But as we talk through this.

01:09:18

Are there people that are born into more money than others? Sure. Yes. Are there people that have more talents, brainpower, whatever it is that translates into better jobs and things?

01:09:31

Sure. Yes. We see this. And the thing we have to remember is we go back to the parable of the talents.

01:09:38

And I brought this up in my sermon on Sunday as well, is that, you know, we look at the parable talents that there's that that the master gave one five talents, another two talents, another one talent.

01:09:50

And as we read through the parable, we see that the first two invested the money and they doubled it for their master.

01:09:57

The last one buried it, didn't do anything with it. And he was he was criticized by the master.

01:10:03

Right. The master condemned him for for not utilizing the talents and investing him the way the other two did.

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And so everyone, I think, understands that parable from what I just explained here.

01:10:16

But here's something that people don't often ask. Why is it that the master gave one person five talents, one person, two talents and the other one, one talent?

01:10:28

Why? God's sovereign. Because he wanted to. Yeah, it's what he wanted. He gave to whom he was willing to give.

01:10:35

And and what he says scripturally is that you're accountable to what I gave you. The more I give, the more I expect.

01:10:41

And so this is what we see scripturally. And let's let's be honest, too.

01:10:47

If we if we took all the money in this country. Good night. My wife's going to bed.

01:10:52

So if we took if we took all the money in this country and we let's say we split it up today for everybody.

01:11:00

Right. Exact, exact same amount of money for everybody. And and then we said, have at it now.

01:11:09

So for the next for the next 15, 20 years, we let society run the way it's going to run. You will have some people that will have forward thinking.

01:11:17

They will build businesses. They will spend they will take some of the money and resources they have and they will invest it into something.

01:11:24

And and some will fail and they'll end up bankrupt in the end. They took all the risk. They have zero reward because it didn't work.

01:11:32

You'll have others that invest. And yeah, that's funny. You will have you will have others that invest and they 20 years make lots of money.

01:11:45

And and so the point of all this is that within 20 years or so, you will see a stratified class system again where the money.

01:11:54

Some people have a lot more. Some people have a lot less. It's just the way it's just the way the system is is naturally designed to go.

01:12:03

It's a biblical system in terms of this capitalistic agenda. But the problem with economic egalitarianism is not that they are.

01:12:12

They're not just concerned about everybody having the same. They're also concerned with the output being the same, meaning that regardless of what you do in life.

01:12:21

That at the end, you also also you also have to be equal. So equal beginning, equal ending point.

01:12:28

That's just not biblical. It doesn't happen that way. Well, that's also part of the social agenda that's going on.

01:12:36

And you have to understand there is the the background agenda going on, that there are those that are seeking to bring this about.

01:12:44

And, you know, they didn't just make this up and say, oh, this might work. Let's throw it against the wall and see what sticks.

01:12:50

This has been going on for generations. I mean, you see this this type of of of game theory goes all the way back to Rome.

01:12:58

It goes all the way back to Rome, guys. I mean, you know, allowing people to have certain amounts of power.

01:13:05

You see it all through the scripture, allowing people to have certain amounts of power, you know, political power and and financial powers and everything else.

01:13:13

The the the ones that would come in and and and take the money from the people. And you see all of the wars going on.

01:13:21

And and the whole entire the idea is those are sitting in the back that control and call the shots.

01:13:27

They're the ones that are actually making the money. They're actually making the power, you know, and for the social agenda, they know that.

01:13:34

And this idea of rewriting history, promoting the power of the government and the authority of the government, you know, the big brother, you know, the one world government, a socialistic idea or socialism everywhere.

01:13:49

It all boils down to that with all of these ideas. Socialism will never work in a vacuum.

01:13:59

And it absolutely falls on its face when you put it up against representative republic, capitalistic society.

01:14:08

It falls on its face. So what's needed? What's needed is what is always needed.

01:14:14

And that is the voice of crisis. That is triggering widespread disorder to justify massive change in the government by claiming that we are victims and therefore we can destroy.

01:14:30

We can bring about destruction upon property rights, upon destruction, upon financials, upon buildings, upon people.

01:14:38

Because we're oppressed, so it's OK for us to destroy. And that's the philosophy. That's the idea.

01:14:46

Yeah. Now, I think while we can we can recognize that everybody's equal, I really don't like Jews.

01:14:56

So on that note. Oh, wait, Andrew, you're back. Oh, there's Andrew. Your son, you had said, let me give you a little a quick little social experiment that occurred not all that long ago in the

01:15:07

Occupy Wall Street movement. Yeah, this is a good story. Thank you for coming back in for this. This is a lot of people don't know all that went on with Occupy Wall Street.

01:15:15

Some people think that it started over Thursday afternoon Facebook post and everyone went out to Wall Street to to protest.

01:15:24

I was invited to the Occupy meetings three months before that post. OK, so I know for a fact it was planned.

01:15:33

Here's the thing that was really interesting that happened at Zagotti Park there in New York is you had these these college students who want to make a difference in the world.

01:15:45

And you had George Soros funded money coming in, providing meals and people. So that got all the homeless as well.

01:15:51

So you had two major groups of people, people that were trying to make a social difference and people that were there for free lunch.

01:15:59

And what ended up happening is they all set up tents. And, well, there were a bunch of lowlifes that were just stealing all of these rich kids, iPhones and MacBooks and iPads, and they had to go get mommy and daddy to buy them new ones.

01:16:17

And it was becoming a problem for them because in their tent they couldn't protect their stuff.

01:16:24

So what did they do? They physically moved people so that all of the rich kids and with all mommy and daddy's provided stuff were all at the at the lower part of the park and they moved.

01:16:38

They physically moved the people they didn't want near them to be up at the upper part so that they could watch their own stuff.

01:16:45

Now, the whole idea was they have these meetings every morning at 10 o 'clock and everybody is allowed to be involved because they're going to show how they're open and everyone gets discussed or everyone gets their opinion heard.

01:16:58

Except they had a problem. You see, those high class occupiers, those people that moved to the lower part where they could watch their own stuff and police themselves against the riffraff.

01:17:10

Well, they couldn't get anything done because those riffraff were making things difficult. They were the low class occupy

01:17:17

Wall Street and they want they actually started having meetings at nine o 'clock to figure out how to force the people at the 10 o 'clock meeting to do what they wanted.

01:17:28

So they had planning meetings to discuss how to do things to manipulate people to get them to do what they wanted in those meetings.

01:17:35

I was, of course, tossed out at the meetings when I announced that they had the nine o 'clock meetings with an upper and I refer to them as the upper class and the lower class.

01:17:46

But what happened? It broke down because they're saying they're open for all. But when you had people that weren't doing what they wanted, weren't getting things done the way they wanted, they set up a class system.

01:17:58

Yes. Where you had some people that were going to get things done and the others were just the workers. They really had no respect for them.

01:18:05

They just needed them. And that's really what you have going on. It's really what Anthony was describing earlier.

01:18:11

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Thank you for sharing, Andrew. So, OK, so we've we've addressed,

01:18:19

I think, very clearly the problem with systemic injustice is that this isn't a systemic issue the way they're claiming.

01:18:26

We also have demonstrated how this is. They have no end game.

01:18:31

They Black Lives Matter doesn't so they don't set out to prove that what they're accusing us of.

01:18:38

They say that I'm accusing of this and it's your burden of proof to tell us that we're that that you're not right.

01:18:45

So that those are those are major, major problems. But I want us to go through,

01:18:50

Justin. We talked about these pretty quick last week as points. But I think that that we should walk through these at least for a few minutes here.

01:19:00

So let's do like let's do some rapid fire here. You want to do the 15 points or 13 points? I mean,

01:19:05

I do. And I want to walk through. The.

01:19:12

So first, first four. OK, racial injustice. They they they take racial injustice, police brutality, criminal justice reform and black immigration.

01:19:22

They tie all four of those together in what they would call systemic injustice. And so when we've already again, we discussed a systemic issue, police brutality.

01:19:33

Just because one or two bad cops exist. Does not mean all of them are bad.

01:19:41

That's a problem. That's a logical fallacy. And and yet this is one of the claims they made.

01:19:47

Now, of course, I love to point out the fact that when it comes to Black Lives Matter, they want to tell us and they're lying when they do.

01:19:54

But they want to tell us, well, you can't judge this movement by the few bad apples that are doing the looting and rioting.

01:20:00

Wait, wait, wait a minute. That's exactly what you're doing by the one cop that killed somebody.

01:20:07

So they have a problem. Their logic there as well. Criminal justice reform, black immigration, again, these these are all wrapped up into a systemic issue that they have to prove exists.

01:20:19

And as far as we can tell, does not exist in the fabric of of America. But it's these last nine points that are that are interesting.

01:20:28

So so economic injustice. I think we discussed this one already over the last couple of minutes.

01:20:34

Yes. So. So, Pastor Justin, LGBTQIA plus. Now, this is how you know they're really serious.

01:20:40

They don't just stop at LGBTQ plus. They add the IMEA plus. So they're intersectional.

01:20:46

This. Yeah. So so LGBTQIA plus and human rights.

01:20:52

So go tell us. So go. Well, but think about it.

01:20:59

It's when you have to affirm delusion, when you when you have to affirm delusion to the point where sin becomes the tolerant power of speech.

01:21:10

It is it is no longer acceptable for you to call out those letters and talk about the the systemic sin that is in or representative from those letters.

01:21:23

When you talk about lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, transsexual, trans whatever.

01:21:32

When you talk about these things, when you speak against them in today's society, you have people like Beth Moore.

01:21:41

You have people like, you know, go down the list of all of the thinkers, you know,

01:21:47

Rob Bell and Bill Hybels. And and you have all these people that are the new generation of progressive thinkers.

01:21:55

They're the new generation of ideologues that want to say that it's intolerant for you to speak in such a way that is demeaning or disrespectful.

01:22:05

And you're showing partiality against them because you're you're excluding them from the

01:22:10

Christian narrative. So what they're saying is, is look, we can we can affirm their identity as a whatever letter they want to identify with and a

01:22:23

Christian. And the problem is, is the scripture doesn't allow for that. The problem is, is in such were some of you and we haven't stood on that ground.

01:22:34

You know, the person that was that was the that was asking, you know, how do we how do we deal in a response with, you know, the the

01:22:43

Chaz people that want to talk about their, you know, that they're inclusive and you're not.

01:22:48

Well, wait a minute. Is if you're inclusive, are the Christians still allowed to stand there and preach? Are you going to beat them down with stones and sticks?

01:22:55

And are you going to cast them out of your little thiefdom there that where you've taken over and stolen?

01:23:04

You've you've taken property, you've destroyed and looted, and then you've set up a free zone where all of the sexual immoralities of all mankind can be displayed out.

01:23:16

You know, what you're not probably hearing about on the media so much is the fact that the the police chief told in Seattle, told the people that were calling up.

01:23:30

They were told from chief down that we can't help you now.

01:23:36

We can't come and get you now. We can't do anything. They're raping you and your children. We can't do anything that these these pedophiles are coming in and destroying you.

01:23:44

But we're queer and fostering affirming network. And when we gather, we want to do so with intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking.

01:23:57

Well, that comes right out of social Marxism, cultural Marxism. Well, it does. And let's let's keep in mind here, too.

01:24:04

And let's answer this question real quick. But Marcy, I'm wondering if that is happening in CHOP. There are reports of that.

01:24:10

Yes. I haven't seen a lot yet, but I'm sure we'll see more as time goes on. There's been stuff on Facebook.

01:24:17

I haven't been able to verify yet if it's if it if these are true conversations or not. But people, from what

01:24:22

I understand, have had their things stolen, were upset about it. And the answer to them was, well, somebody else needed it more than you, apparently.

01:24:28

Yes. Yeah. The computer. Somebody needed it more than you. It was. Yeah. So so that's that's been out there. But so this

01:24:34

LGBTQ agenda, it's tied with what they would say human rights. Exactly.

01:24:39

Now, here's a problem. Here's the fundamental problem is that rights do not come from government.

01:24:46

Like we said earlier, they come from God. And so God's rights are an outflow of of God for people made in his image, which human beings made in his image.

01:24:57

So rights are given to us. And the easiest way to demonstrate rights.

01:25:03

And there's a number of categories. We don't have time to get into that tonight. But one of the categories, the biggest category is what is tied to his moral character.

01:25:13

Right. So. Exactly. So God says, do not murder, which means he tells us made his image.

01:25:20

Do not murder. So, Justin, he tells me not to murder, say you. That's the moral law that's written on on all of our hearts.

01:25:30

And so that's a moral law I have to live by. But tied to that moral law, the flip side of the same coin is that you have a right to not be murdered.

01:25:40

Exactly. Exactly. And that that goes along with with everything that's consistent with with the character of God and as well as rights he gives us, such as the ability to marry.

01:25:51

What right does he give us to marry? We'll go back to Genesis, as Jesus did in Matthew 19, quotes directly from Genesis one and Genesis two.

01:25:59

In the beginning, God made the male and female. What God is doing together and let not man separate.

01:26:05

This is God's design for marriage. He gives a right to his image bearers for marriage, according to his rules, not ours.

01:26:15

And that's where we can look at this movement and say, wait a minute. Once you start once you start taking this from the opinion standpoint, which is your sin, and you start calling it a human right.

01:26:28

You are now implying that God thinks that this is OK. Not just OK, though, that God ordains this to happen and that he would call it good.

01:26:40

Exactly. That's a problem. He doesn't call this good. He calls us evil and wicked and perverse and abomination and going against things that are natural in Romans one.

01:26:52

So so we have to really clear that up. It is not a right. Rights have to be consistent with God and his nature.

01:26:59

So, OK, let's go to the next point. Well, what is a right? What is a right? Well, it's it's a just power to make a moral claim on someone.

01:27:08

So in order for you to have that just power to make that claim, there has to be an absolute standard of what is right.

01:27:16

What is just. What is just. And in order for you to do that, you have to submit that there is an absolute truth that stands over every single one of us.

01:27:26

And we're now dealing with logic. We're now dealing with thinking. We're now dealing with rationality.

01:27:32

And you can't come there. You can't get there in an atheistic worldview. So therefore, you must surrender and submit to the

01:27:39

Christian God, the Christian worldview. Yeah, that's right. So environmental conditions.

01:27:46

I have no idea what this does, what this is with Black Lives Matter environment.

01:27:53

I mean, I don't know what any of these do, but I don't know your mental environmental conditions. This is probably a topic for a different show,

01:28:00

I would I would say. But well, but think about it. No, no, no. But in all honesty, though, think about it.

01:28:07

If your agenda comes out of what you've been taught at Berkeley, at Yale, at Harvard, Princeton and all the other

01:28:15

Ivy Leagues, and then it's matriculated all the way down to the to the small little universities and college and little places of higher learning from the teachers who are unquestionable.

01:28:32

I told you about my psychology professor, my sociology professor. They're they're in their own fiefdoms.

01:28:41

They have their own their their own ideologies. And you're not allowed to question it. But when you come down from that and you've heard that indoctrination for four years plus, and that's all you've heard.

01:28:55

And then before that, all you've heard is an atheistic worldview of one plus one equals two.

01:29:01

We're really certain of that because of evolution. And you know that math works because of evolution.

01:29:08

And we know everything is absolutely sustainable and factual. And tomorrow will be like today.

01:29:15

And the next day we can trust all these things because of the certainty of evolution. And when you talk about indoctrinated thought,

01:29:23

Humble Clay says it right there. When you talk about the indoctrination that comes in, where are they hearing this from?

01:29:29

They're hearing this from professors and teachers that have told them what Marx and Kant and Galt and all these others have taught and told them.

01:29:39

That humans don't matter. That we are supposed to rise up and cause the world to fear us.

01:29:49

And they're to fear us because what makes us matter is our force, our power, our unity together to dominate and to cause people to come to fear.

01:30:02

So we have this question. Can you see if you can get Andrew to pop in again?

01:30:07

I would really rather not. It's terrifying. Actually, we are going to have

01:30:13

Andrew pop back in again. I'm going to be bowing out early tonight to jump on another podcast in about 15 minutes.

01:30:20

So you'll be graced with Andrew's presence again here real soon. It's a twilight zone.

01:30:27

Okay, so environmental conditions. Let me just say this really quick before we move on to the next point.

01:30:34

Environmental conditions, if we want to look at facts, more carbon emissions come out of a volcano or earthquake than we get in all the cars combined in the world in a year.

01:30:49

That's where our primary source of carbon emissions go. And so whether people want to debate or not,

01:30:55

I don't believe global warming. I don't believe global cooling. I don't believe in climate change from an environmental perspective.

01:31:03

I don't believe that at all. I believe that there are certain cycles within our solar system, with our sun, but it has nothing to do with the environment, at least from humans and our consumption of fossil fuels.

01:31:20

Now, having said all that, what's really interesting is God has, as a wonderful designer, the perfect designer, when we look at countries that are third world countries or countries that have been doing a lot of industry, like our old industrial revolution, places like South America and China, where they are pumping lots of carbon into the atmosphere, guess what we see in their lands?

01:31:44

Their trees and their farms doing really, really, really well compared to other places in the world.

01:31:51

Why? Because you're putting the food that trees and plants suck in in order for them to do their thing.

01:32:01

So the trees are proliferating, the forests are proliferating in the areas where we have lots of carbon emissions.

01:32:08

Having said all that, this has no business being in a

01:32:13

Black Lives Matter movement, but for being a leftist radical agenda.

01:32:21

Voting rights and suppression. That looks creepy.

01:32:27

It almost looks like he has a half shirt on, like a female. Oh, man.

01:32:36

That looks better now. Come on. Is that what it looked like?

01:32:42

Never mind. Okay. You're going to get beat up, man. I know. Good thing he's all the way on the other side of the country.

01:32:48

Yeah, no kidding. Beat by Chaz. Yeah. But so, okay, voting rights and suppression.

01:32:58

Where does this one come from? Look, as far as I know, there is not a law on the books that causes only some people to be able to vote.

01:33:07

The last I heard, the three -fifths rule was struck down like, I don't know, 180 years ago or something.

01:33:14

The last I heard, like 100 some years ago, women were given the right to vote. So, I'm not seeing a voter suppression from a legal perspective.

01:33:23

So, what is this about? Brother, it's just about the taking over of America.

01:33:31

I mean, if you think about it, when you look at our nation, what nation does the world want to emulate or destroy?

01:33:43

It's America. When you look at where does everybody want to be, it's

01:33:48

America. When you look at what is it that people want to have as the dream, it's the

01:33:55

American dream. But in order to globalize our nation, you have to dominate

01:34:05

America, make us look like the tyrant, the evil, the enemy that we are.

01:34:12

I mean, when you're talking systemic, you're talking about Americans. You're talking about people.

01:34:19

You're not talking about government exclusive from people. You're talking about people as a whole.

01:34:26

Everything. You're talking about everything. Everything, yeah. And so, what you're saying is that people in America have voted to be racist.

01:34:38

They've voted to hurt and oppress. They've voted to bring people down.

01:34:45

And we have to rise up against America. We have to rise up against America.

01:34:50

Now, I'm not an America first type guy. I am Jesus first. I want

01:34:56

Christ to be exalted above all. Paul the apostle didn't say to submit to the governing authorities as long as they act like America of the 70s and 80s.

01:35:07

And as soon as they stop doing that, let's go to war. I'm sorry that made everybody upset, but he didn't say it.

01:35:13

Not one time did he say it anywhere. He says you submit to the governing authorities because of Christ.

01:35:19

It's because of Christ. What was it just said? One of our brothers said it here. The only solution to this is the gospel of Jesus Christ.

01:35:28

When you talk about systemic racism or people that are talking about their oppression, listen.

01:35:35

Listen to them. They've heard this, and they may truly feel this based upon what it is that they've heard so much indoctrinated in their lives.

01:35:43

And it means something to them. But we are all oppressed. Brothers and sisters, every single one of us are oppressed.

01:35:50

It doesn't matter who you are here. You're oppressed by sin. Sin. It's the one thing that is causing every single one of us either to stand as an enemy of God in our mind through wicked works.

01:36:04

And therefore, we are going to stand one day judged under the wrath of Almighty God. Or it is that defining factor that sent

01:36:12

Christ to the cross to save a wretch like me. That's the only solution we've got.

01:36:18

That's the only answer we have. That's right. I think Andrew was trying to say something there. I'm sorry. Well, you know,

01:36:23

I listened to you guys for two hours, and I noticed something. An hour and 36 minutes. You totally missed something.

01:36:33

Totally. Yeah, what's that? Do you realize that there's not a single

01:36:38

American that ever kidnapped an African and made him into a slave?

01:36:47

You see, that was England that did that. By the time

01:36:53

America was formed, it wasn't the whites that were kidnapping Africans.

01:36:59

It was Africans kidnapping Africans. And then selling them to the slave traders.

01:37:09

I know. But you know, they already revised that out of their history. This is the thing.

01:37:15

When they say it's a systemic problem, well, that problem goes back to Africa where they were being kidnapped by their own people.

01:37:25

Amen. You know, Anthony, but when you leave, you won't be able to watch this.

01:37:31

But maybe I'll get you to watch the show and you'll see what you miss. But I'm going to play something from -

01:37:36

Oh, yeah. By Ben Shapiro that Justin had sent. A behind -the -scenes look at The Nation of Chaz.

01:37:43

Which, by the way, I do think that - and Trump is the kind of guy that could pull this off.

01:37:49

You know, I think, Justin, you were saying they're trying to get it where they want Trump to come in and use military force.

01:37:55

I think it'd be fun to watch Trump say, you know what? I'm going to give you exactly what you want.

01:38:02

You're another nation. He should surround them with border police. He should say that they can't leave.

01:38:10

They can't enter into the United States without a passport. He should immediately put tariffs on everything going into Chaz.

01:38:23

Just like we do in other places, other countries. I mean, we should treat them like - let's see how fast they want to change.

01:38:31

I mean, they're already begging for food. You know, and sanitation. Less than two days, isn't it?

01:38:37

Doing anything. They're not working. They just think it's a big party. Yeah. And so we have a video of someone going in and speaking to one of the people that is the

01:38:49

Black Lives Matter. One of the three women that started it. And you'll hear her.

01:38:54

It's amazing. It's an amazing video because you hear her say, you got to get rid of the police. Yeah, she wants to be fun to get rid of them.

01:39:01

Get rid of all of it. And he ends up saying, basically, what are you going to replace it with? And her response is, that's a question that can't be answered.

01:39:09

Well, if it can't be answered, then you shouldn't be looking to remove all the law and order.

01:39:15

And the whole thing is remove the law and order because of the fact that the idea being that somehow the system that was established was inherently wrong because of slavery.

01:39:27

Well, and the idea there is that when you, and you have to think about the people that are truly in power.

01:39:33

I mean, George Soros is not sitting back there going, I don't know what I'm going to do tomorrow. He's already got it planned out.

01:39:38

This is a group that has their agendas planned out.

01:39:44

And when this happens, if it does happen, which I pray it doesn't. But when this type of thing happens, that there is this total anarchy, there will be a lockdown.

01:39:54

There will be a police state and they will come in. And the people that rose up and got their freedom are going to realize after it's all over with that they were, quote unquote, this is the quotes, useful idiots.

01:40:08

And they're being used to destroy what we have now to bring what

01:40:14

Soros and Gates and all those guys wants in the future. But they are going to go back to the slave status.

01:40:21

They're going to go back to being the ones that are oppressed and they're going to go back to the servant status.

01:40:27

It's going to happen. The real, real oppression. You know, Brian here says this, Muhammad was a slave trader.

01:40:33

Are they going to destroy the mosques? I mean, this is what you end up seeing there.

01:40:43

The hypocrisy of the left has never been clear.

01:40:49

Exactly. I mean, I think it was NBC that within 20 minutes of promoting the protests and saying how they were good for creating this, you know, herd immunization.

01:41:12

Yeah. COVID. 20 minutes later, we're saying that Trump is trying to kill

01:41:17

Americans by having a rally. Exactly. And this really and I think that if they keep doing this, you already have

01:41:27

Michigan is extending the stay at home. New York threatening to reinstate it. I think once these states that have let things open up when they reinstate it because they want to get the police state,

01:41:38

I think you're going to have people. And it's already happening that are looking at these protests and going, they're not wearing masks.

01:41:46

They're not social distancing. They're able to do whatever they want to do. It's only law abiding citizens.

01:41:52

They're told you can't work. You can't run your business. You can't get a haircut. You can't go to eat.

01:41:57

You can't leave your house so that they can run rampant. I'm going to cut out, guys.

01:42:05

Great show. And let Andrew finish it up. And I will join back in to see what you guys finish up with.

01:42:11

Good job. It's good that you match your microphone cover. It's always like I went back to the power red tonight.

01:42:16

Yeah. That's always a good thing. So the Red Ranger. Good night.

01:42:23

We could always just bring in John to see what. Hey, John. We like to make sure.

01:42:31

Well, you know, if we don't, if we don't stand as Christians on a biblical worldview, we will become guilty of following that worldview, which which the socialist and the leftist and all of those are trying to enforce upon us.

01:42:47

And, you know, think part of that worldview is to bring in a false religious system.

01:42:53

You know, and if we don't stand on a true biblical worldview that denies everything that is outside of Christ, that that stands upon that truth, that the

01:43:04

Scripture is the infallible word of God and that it is sufficient for every good work.

01:43:11

You know, we you know, we ask the question so many times. What do we do? What do we do? It's in the Bible. You know, it's it's in the

01:43:18

Bible. You know, you have to stand. First off, who is God? The nature of God, the nature of man, the foundation of the world, the creation man.

01:43:28

How was man made upright? You know, who was it that was sinned? Man, who was it that is a sinner in the sight of a holy

01:43:34

God? Man, we sin against each other. You know, some people are so rude and terrible that they even take audio and put it on their their show about a poor guy in a hospital just couldn't do anything.

01:43:48

And, you know, hey, just for the record, you're one that reminded me of me.

01:43:54

I know. Hey, look, it's not my fault.

01:44:00

You fell asleep. I fell asleep. There you go. You fell asleep. But, you know, here's the thing.

01:44:06

Even though that audio is fun, it's not as fun as, you know, the one with the babies exist.

01:44:14

But, you know, what we end up seeing is this is the

01:44:19

Borg, for those who know Star Trek. All right. You will be assimilated.

01:44:25

That is exactly what they're doing. They are. Look at what's happening.

01:44:31

Facebook, a group that was used by Obama and the left to to silence conservatism because they are not now shutting all conservative talk down like Twitter and YouTube and everyone else's.

01:44:48

Everyone's going after him because they're allowing people to have a different opinion on Black Lives Matter.

01:44:55

You know, people who are exposing what they're really about and therefore now even

01:45:00

Facebook has to be taken down. So this is what is going on, is that we have a we do have a problem.

01:45:09

The problem is that there's a bunch of people who are being victimized by being told they're victims.

01:45:16

I'm sorry. But if I was if I was black in this country and I'm listening to the

01:45:21

Democrats, the same Democrats that were for slavery, the same Democrats party of the

01:45:27

KKK, the same Democrats that never wanted blacks to have a right to vote. But once those blacks had a right to vote, they wanted to get drugs into the communities to destroy the family.

01:45:38

They wanted to get the the welfare in so that they couldn't. They didn't have basically a good family and they get paid to not have a family.

01:45:49

You have single mothers that are taking care of kids, having to work extra jobs to make ends meet.

01:45:55

And so what you end up with is you end up with these people pushing that very party.

01:46:01

That's who they're voting for. This is the party that is has always been for their enslavement and is enslaving them, keeping them uneducated.

01:46:10

Oh, they they'll say that they're about education. But what do they actually do? That's the difference.

01:46:17

They're not doing anything to help them. And so what you see is that they do a lot of talk, but they're keeping them uneducated.

01:46:25

They're telling them you can't do it without us. How insulting is that? How insulting is it to every black

01:46:33

American to be told you're not smart enough? You're not like it really is the belief that they have of evolution, that the blacks evolved into whites.

01:46:44

That's that's the view of evolution. And a lot of these liberals believe it. They you can see it because that's exactly what they say, is that you as a black

01:46:54

American just don't have an ability to be as smart as they are. They looked at though.

01:47:01

Oh, they they play, try to placate and pretend like they're really going to help them out. But the reality, they're not going to.

01:47:08

The reality is it is it is all about getting votes. And so what do we have now?

01:47:14

We have people who say that if you don't hold a liberal socialist mindset, you're not even black.

01:47:22

Yeah, exactly. You're you're a house Negro. You're a Oreo black on the outside, white on the inside.

01:47:28

So suddenly black has nothing to do with color of skin. Black has to do with an ideology.

01:47:34

They have changed the definition and they give it a new definition. And then what do they do?

01:47:40

They want to say, OK, you have to you have to carry the party line. This is what we end up seeing.

01:47:47

Well, you think it's the social justice, social Marx Marxism motif. You know,

01:47:52

I wrote it down here. I just it's the societal construct. It's based on perceived slights, if you will, because of your status, your your skin pigmentation, your political ideology, your emotional feelings, your wealth or your poverty.

01:48:09

And all of those are dealt with in the scripture, you know, and they're developed dealt with by the attribute of who

01:48:17

God is. You know, I mean, with your social justice ideology, it's it's the outcome based, depending on the haves versus have nots and the the, you know, jealousy and coveting and greed and a class warfare.

01:48:33

And it's straight out of Stalin's, you know, playbook. It's state state straight out of that ideology that that we can create a class of people who are our warrior class, because we just tell them they've been oppressed, that they don't have what you have or what they have.

01:48:51

Well, it's not only it's not just that you don't have it's you're never going to get exactly right.

01:48:58

I mean, that's that's what they're saying to every black in America. The Democrats are saying you're never going to get it.

01:49:04

Exactly. You can't get it. And the thing is, it doesn't matter how many times this has been repeated in history.

01:49:11

They still think they're going to be the ones to be able to make it right, to be able to do this. So let me let me do this.

01:49:17

I want to end the show with this video. And I think that this will because if we play this and then try to talk,

01:49:25

Justin will be here for another hour because there's too much in this. But this video is very telling.

01:49:32

This video will show you what they're really about. And and that's why, you know, I want to play this so you you can see what they're really about.

01:49:40

I want you to to get, you know, to hear right from the horse's mouth when he gets to the person who is one of the three women that started the

01:49:52

Black Lives Matter and listen to what they want. I'm Ami Horowitz and I'm here in Seattle at CHAZ, the

01:50:06

Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone. This is the Seattle secessionist movement, or as I call them, the

01:50:12

Confederacy of Dunces. They kicked out the Seattle Police Department, ransacking the precinct, putting up barricades and declaring their fiefdom sovereign.

01:50:22

We're going to find out what's going on and spread some peace, love and probably some coronavirus. I'm a

01:50:34

Seahawks fan. Should the Seahawks sign Kaepernick? Of course. Give him a shot. The Seahawks?

01:50:40

Give him a shot. Should he start over Russell Wilson? Of course not. Yeah. Then it turned dark.

01:50:46

We just got to get rid of the whole s*** startup. Burn the whole s*** down. If there is no change, there might be a lot more destroying until there is.

01:50:56

Riots of voice to the unheard. But I think some destruction and looting kind of sends a message to people and breaking their s*** is justified.

01:51:07

In order to dismantle the same nation that is deemed legitimate, we kind of have to destroy it.

01:51:15

We said, you know what, f*** the property, f*** the consumption, f*** capitalism. I mean, white people own slaves, so f*** them.

01:51:24

All we need is the love of one another and the communal aspect of one another and taking care of each other. A super devout

01:51:30

Christian guy came here. He was spouting about God is glory, he hates homosexuals, he hates abortion.

01:51:37

He was sitting there and spreading very divisive words. And he was allowed to do it. Nobody hit him.

01:51:42

He didn't get tackled to the ground. That Christian guy did get tackled to the ground. They had him on the ground choking him out. While these sentiments were the majority opinion of most people in the

01:51:51

Chazz, was it reflective of the leadership of this Lilliputian utopia? The question was answered when we interviewed

01:51:58

Jaden Grayson, one of the leaders of this movement. Every single day that I show up here,

01:52:03

I'm not here to peacefully protest. I'm here to disrupt until my demands are met.

01:52:08

You cannot rebuild until you break it all the way down. Respond to the demands of the people who are prepared to be met with any means necessary.

01:52:20

By any means necessary. That's not just a slogan. No. No. No, it's not a slogan.

01:52:30

It's not even a warning. I'm letting people know what comes next.

01:52:35

A response to violence is not violence itself. The Republic of Chazz published a very clear list of demands.

01:52:42

Among them was the abolishment of the police. If the Seattle Police Department turns in their badges, we'll have made a move forward.

01:52:51

In other words, not defund the police. Abolish. Abolish the police state. Included in the lengthy manifesto was the demand to abolish the justice system.

01:53:02

So speaking of the criminal justice system, do you think that it's so inherently biased, so inherently racist, that the criminal justice system, the courts, all of that needs to be taken away?

01:53:15

Absolutely. Without question. And then what?

01:53:23

Again, you're asking a question that cannot be answered. The unraveling that happens to that system is also exactly what will fuel the black minds and the black bodies that will recreate a new world.

01:53:37

Should we abolish the prison system? Yes, we should get rid of it as we know it today. Get rid of it. Yes. I don't understand why more journalists are not asking those questions.

01:53:47

We run to black people the minute that they're killed. And we have been seeing them be killed for so long that the

01:53:55

PTSD from that is unbelievable. You have people still bitching about 9 -11.

01:54:01

Unbelievable. One act of terror. Do you feel like an American? I'm an

01:54:08

African brought to America. I'm actually one of the original members of the Seattle Black Panther Party. Do you feel like the revolution that you've started is on the right track?

01:54:19

I think it's taking a turn in the wrong direction, honestly. This precinct here is needed because there are a lot of people that need police assistance.

01:54:28

Who are they going to call? But you know what? We didn't go around and smash them and burn them out and things like that.

01:54:34

It just didn't happen. Unlike today. Unlike today. Shutting down the streets and calling this some kind of a time zone is a bunch of bullshit.