Arresting Pastors, NT Wright Badly Wrong, Ken Wilson Interview Started

The Arrest of Rodney Howard Browne and the Danger of Government Overreach

Welcome to the dividing line. It is Tuesday, which is normally what we when we're here, but we were here yesterday we'll be here again tomorrow and That's because well, I saw someone Actually said that one of the state governments on the left coast.

Seriously what was that I just saw I was actually talking about Sheltering in place until September September. I guess they think that's actually realistic or possible. It's not but Yeah, so we're all we're all where we we are and Oh, I didn't turn off the notifications on that one My My phone and everything is going ding-a-ding-a-ding-a-ding-a-ding and Well, actually I should have there shouldn't be anything dinging through right now because Do not disturb is on so.

Oh, well, we'll see what happens with this. Anyway, I Do feel that it's important. Before we get back to a another topic.

To.

Honestly recognize that The conversation is not going well amongst Christians. Our world has changed fundamentally over a very short period of time in a way that Almost no one could foresee given the circumstances.

I mean There had been a tremendous amount of preparation Great desire on the part of many for a fundamental change in Western society, which always has as part of its goal a Doing away with the remnants of a Christian worldview that are stuck in law and tradition and and things like that and yet The the the trigger hadn't quite been pulled some things I think had gotten in the way and now all of a sudden along comes one of the many corona virae every common cold is produced by coronavirus has been forever and We've never been able to cure the common cold, I mean that used to be the thing When I was a kid, you know, the you know, when will we cure the common cold?

Well, we haven't and That and by the way, the reason it's called Corona COVID -19 is from 2019 when it's first identified. So if there is a variant a new version this year it'd be 20 it would be COVID -20 and then 21 and then 22 and and the reality is there are Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of corona virae that could be out there.

I saw one article that said that in ice core samples from Northern China that they had found you know all sorts of Different types of corona virae that That if the ice caps melted would be released into the atmosphere and and so on and so forth.

So, there you go, so Yesterday in the morning Officials in Florida Arrested Rodney Howard Brown now, I was somewhat again reminded of how old I am When I mentioned this to certain people in my family and they went who?

Had no earthly idea Who Rodney Howard Brown was. I had to go back and a lot of the laughing revival stuff I found was from 93. So you're talking almost three decades ago. So okay 30 year olds would be going what you wouldn't have any idea Rodney Howard Brown made a laughingstock out of the gospel literally by being the primary character in what was called the laughing revival where Allegedly the Spirit of God when he came upon you would cause you to just start laughing at everything you just you would just laugh and laugh and laugh and you'd fall down and roll around and just laugh and laugh and laugh for for a long period of time and this was supposed to be a great move of the Spirit of God and.

So.

Most of us who have at least a few Orthodox bones in our bodies Have less than warm feelings about Rodney Howard Brown and the Disrepute he brought upon the gospel and continues to do so. He's never repented of that silliness.

So for a lot of Christians, it was like Oh Rodney Howard Brown who cares? Doesn't matter because I'm not a heretic like Rodney Howard Brown and he's just getting what he deserves. Here's the problem. I was recently looking at some Police documents that had been released under the Freedom of Information Act and things like that and One of the things that I picked up from reading it is they don't care what your theology is.

They do not make theological distinctions between glaringly different Perspectives they don't care. Never really have. In the book of Acts you see political leaders Who when faced with the Distinctions between Jews and Christians on the person of Jesus or the law or whatever else.

I don't you you got you all deal with that yourself. I'm not interested. But you all do this. So so We have a long history of government not caring whatsoever about the theological distinctives and So I'm very concerned that there have been Many Christians who have just sort of laughed this off like Rodney Howard Brown who cares?

And Rodney Howard Brown was is into conspiracy theories and stuff like that and So you have this idea that well, they may come after Rodney Howard Brown. I mean, he's got a charismatic megachurch and but he's way off in in the in the bushes theologically.

He's not come after, you know my church or you know, when we gather for Easter worship or something like that and that's where I'm concerned because obviously a lot of people are not seeing that precedents are being set right now and The precedents are based upon well, there's there's an emergency right now.

There's there's just a huge massive emergency. And if this was like the plague and was threatening to wipe out half of humanity. Okay it isn't by any stretch of the imagination the plague and if you haven't noticed that the Narrative is being controlled and directed one particular direction That you're not allowed To go, you know, there's just all sorts of conflicting information here.

It's a lot of inconsistencies and oh You're a conspiracy theorist. So so everybody who doesn't just automatically Take what Caesar says at face value and Give up your job give up your savings give up your house Give up your future give up your rights your liberties your freedoms everything in the Constitution and all for the common good or Then when Caesar starts quoting the Second Commandment from the Holiness Code in Leviticus 19 Then you really know something's up when When Caesar's quoting from anywhere near the same section that says two men shall not not not not not lie together As a man lies to the woman, you know, something's up, you know that they've decided.

Oh, hey this works Let's call this this works. So if you can't see Because of your detestation of Rodney Howard Brown that precedents are being set here and If you can't see That what's being done is is a is a major test.

How far can how far will these people let us go Voluntarily based upon our introducing an argument to them that they then buy then I just don't think you're seeing what's going on and You shouldn't let Brown's status Hide from you the reality That You have de Blasio in New York saying I will close down churches and synagogues Permanently not for now that is The government saying we will destroy you We will take you out permanently.

That happens to be then happening at the same time that all around the world Allegedly elected officials are Taking this opportunity to do all sorts of other things not just enrich themselves horrifically like in the United States with funny money.

But I had a friend in Australia right this morning and Already trying to get a gun in Australia is next to impossible. The ones they've allowed they're taking them away now, too. That'll solve COVID, right?

Disarm people bunch bunch of bunch of mayors. I think in Illinois doing the same thing.

And.

Why why are they doing this? Well, if you if you see it the populace is willing to Give up all their rights in Promise for some type of safety, which which they don't actually promise if you know something.

There are actually places where they're letting prisoners out of prison, have you thought about that for a second? If you can't keep a Virus out of a prison where you have 100 lockdown capacity. What good does it do to put people in houses?

Where you don't have 100 lockdown capacity and isn't it obvious that the worst place you can be is in any enclosed recirculated air place For viral infection. I mean, that's why they're letting the prisoners out.

This is dangerous. Isn't that what you're doing to us? And so so the British Bobbies are using drones to track down people that are going for walks in parks and You're like this is really happening and There are a lot of people in society going yes, do it.

Let's encourage this. Let's get behind this and I just want to go. Why do you think this will ever end? Oh, but it will this that the numbers will go how do you know who's telling you the numbers and Once they've started this, why can't they go?

You know, we saw a real Drop in in violent crimes and stuff like that. You know, we we should probably just keep doing this and you're just left going.

Yeah, I want to do. We finished the show on on a sad note last night and oh, yes. Yes, I wanted to recap a little bit what I learned later on that was actually quite refreshing. Yeah, it was and that is when I actually read the governor's stay-at-home Order and it is an order state of Arizona state of Arizona Through April 30 Republican governor effective 5 o 'clock tonight with the exemption exception of essential activities.

Under this policy essential activities and I'll keep this short. Yeah, you need to keep this short. Yeah, essentially essential activities include obtaining necessary supplies. Engaging in activities essential for health caring for a family member or a friend even a pet.

Engaging in an outdoor exercise activities. I thought that was interesting compared to what's going on in other places. Attending work or in or conducting essential services, but here's the thing that I'm not hearing any other politician in the country.

Standing on yeah, and this was deliberately put in there by somebody with a constitutional brain.

Okay as few as they may be anymore. Yeah.

Engaging in constitutionally protected activities such as speech and religion. The Democratic process to include voting or any legal or court process Provided that such is conducted any manner that provides appropriate physical distancing to the extent Feasible.

In other words the state of Arizona. The governor of Arizona recognizes that he doesn't have Constitutional authority to order order us to do anything, but he's Recognizing our rights and.

He's asking us to use our head, but that's but that's that's where a lot of people especially Californians Who are beaten down by the socialist government of California all the time. There are a lot of Californians and Californian Christians Who go what the Constitution says is not relevant right there.

There's some Stockholm syndrome going on. Yeah, yeah.

Guys in California you can get mad at me for saying that but you need to check your brain and recognize. There is a panic that has been imposed upon you that isn't reflecting the reality of the situation.

You may say we're not dealing with reality. No, we are. We can't say that right now. I don't want this.

Do you want this? I don't want it. You can't you can't say that right now, though.

I I don't telling you but on you, you know what? I also want to be able to use my own mind and and thoughts. I don't want the government seen as my babysitter from cradle to grave.

Cuz it's not it's just unloving just unloving. Well, I can hear it now. You know, well, what are we supposed to do? Oh other than you know, I.

Will guy. I will. I will allow them to go according to their conscience and then ask that they do the same with me.

So in the midst of all this. Hey, I would say the arrest of Rodney Howard Brown should be Something that we're taking note of and watching very closely. Especially what's going to happen? I mean this has to stop eventually.

The longer it is promoted the the closer to global depression we go. And there are people outside the United States. I was reading stuff from outside the United States today, you know people already saying, you know blaming us.

For the club the the current and coming global depression not recession depression.

1930s.

Just think 1930s. For the few people who know what the 1930s were yeah, I know our parents told us about it, but there are a lot of there are a lot of a lot of people in the Millennials and younger that don't have a clue What what the depression was about they will soon, but they they didn't that's why they've been it been willing to this anyway.

But there's a lot of people outside the United States. They're blaming us for that the idea of being able to shut down an economy from February to September as some of the leftists are talking about doing.

Clearly, they don't know where money comes from. Anyway, so that's that's normal for them. Anyways, but the results will be Orders of magnitude greater and damage and lives with a global depression anyway in the midst of all this I saw this article initially and.

This is really weird. Because the picture that the source gave Was a picture of some woman. Yeah, right. Reverend Bishop Marianne Edgar Budd holds Sunday Mass at the National Cathedral and.

So.

When I saw that I assumed that this article was by her.

So I.

Looked through it and I'm like, okay leftist liberal woman. Nothing overly shocking there. And then I saw it posted by somebody else and they're talking about NT Wright and I'm like, huh? And so I looked at it again and for some reason they'd attached this picture With this information, but it wasn't by her.

It was an article by NT Wright and And the article in time .com time used to be a magazine for those of you Used to be a big magazine. Yeah a magazine, yeah, they yeah go to the well don't bother going to the grocery store.

Never mind Important magazine one that you actually wanted to read this was before the Internet the Internet killed most that stuff. But the article is titled Christianity offers no answers about the coronavirus and I remember it was.

It's James Anderson, I think I Think was James Anderson who initially posted it and that's when I looked at it for initially and I was like, I Don't know who this woman is. So I'm not really good overly concerned then I find out that it's NT Wright and As I said many times NT Wright strikes Many people in the United States as this conservative thinking type fellow.

When in the in England, he's known as just being your standard Anglican Bright insightful, but your standard Anglican who According to at least one American scholar identifies inerrancy is that silly American doctrine and So you read this depressing article and it is depressing and you get an idea of just You know God was grieved to his heart Genesis declares over the violent wickedness of his human creatures.

He was devastated When his own bride the people of Israel turned away from him and when God came back to his people in person. The story of Jesus is meaningless unless that's what it's about. He wept at the tomb of his friend St. Paul speaks the Holy Spirit groaning within us and we ourselves grown within the pain of the whole creation.

The ancient doctrine of the Trinity teaches us to recognize the one God in the tears of Jesus and the anguish of the Spirit. It is no part of the Christian vocation then to be able to explain what's happening and why in fact It is part of the Christian vocation not to be able to explain and to lament instead as the Spirit laments within us.

So we become even in our self isolation Small shrines where the presence and healing love of God can dwell and out of that there can emerge new Possibilities new acts of kindness new scientific understanding new hope new wisdom for our leaders.

Now, there is a thought.

And.

You know earlier it talks about the category of lament and how there's lament in the Psalter and There are Psalms where you have lament where there is no resolution where the the psalmist Laments evil and does not come to a conclusion because he's still in the situation so lament is a valid biblical category but to say that all that can be said about coronavirus is lament Shows that someone does not take major portions of the Old Testament Revelation and the book of Revelation seriously because clearly you have Presented in the Old Testament the utilization of disease and plague as judgment from God Deuteronomy 28 and 29.

It's right there. I think there is a deep discomfort on the part of many people To consider the possibility of judgment and we know that it is very common for someone to say Well, if there's an earthquake in such-and-such a place, it's because the people there were sinning about such-and-such a thing.

Well, unless you have a prophet from God in the Old Testament style of a prophet That would be very difficult to prove When God brought plagues upon Egypt We're told why when God brought plagues upon the people of Israel.

We're told why but what we have to try to do is Walk that fine line and many people just jumped over to the one side the scriptures say that God's wrath is being Revealed from heaven against all the ungodliness and unrighteousness of men those who suppress the truth and righteousness.

That's ongoing. It's happening. So God's wrath is being revealed. There are many many many many many people who call themselves Christians that do not and will not believe that God's wrath is being revealed.

They will not believe in a wrathful God. I. Another issue.

But.

When you when people are asking well, why would God allow this. The one answer that one part of the answer that cannot be presented by many many people because their theology is It is the wrath of God against blood guiltiness in Western nations and in all nations all around the world.

Blood guiltiness the shedding of innocent blood and Once you once you arbitrarily shut out So many Aspects of God's characters because mankind doesn't like that. They don't want to hear that. They want to hear that God has wrath.

Well, they know that God has wrath. They're just suppressing that knowledge. This surprised me honestly from My conversation the conversation I had with NT right on unbelievable a number of years ago.

This surprised me. I Thought he had a somewhat higher view. It didn't just surprise me it disappointed me is I guess would be the better way to put it. And as was said by others it was very very unhelpful.

I have not I have only seen a few articles. There are some out there. But I've only seen a few articles that are really recognizing the nature of this situation and Striking a proper balance. I think in looking at what scripture says I Am very concerned about what's going to come out of this.

Like I said, it has to end eventually you You're gonna have riots in the streets if you do not Allow people to work. Eventually people go wait a minute. I have to be able to eat. Okay, and I'm not just gonna live on the crumbs that you're gonna hand to me.

What are you people doing and so People have got to figure out there is a limitation on this a real limitation on this and But once that let's say there's a time we actually quote-unquote get past that part though flu season will come next year and It'll come in November December and there may be a new coronavirus.

Because there are many of them and if we respond the same way We're done. Just get used to poverty get get used to a overtaxed medical system. No more medical research no more research in space nothing just put We're going back to the we're going back to the you know, bring out the dead Level of stuff.

It's just it's just not possible to do. But if it ever ends there could be some really challenging conversations. Within what might have been a somewhat unified Evangelical Christian perspective until the past couple of weeks and Very little that conversation has been handled real well.

There's a lot of nastiness. And a lot and 90 of it comes from the emotion it's it's emotional thinking emotional thinking emotional thinking it's panic you don't you don't Respond well to being challenged when you're in a state of panic.

That when you were in fear of your life you do not respond well, that's just just reality so All right, let's move on because we have things to do appreciate very much some of the letters that we get.

A Letter Challenging Calvinism and the Need to Address Ken Wilson

We are going to be Listening to the Interview that I mentioned on the last program between Ken Wilson and Layton flowers and.

So.

We got a Note here and it's dated the 26. This was this was way back When I first started just talking about some general issues and had not gotten into the specifics of the book yet. March 26. And today's 31st, yeah, it's a 6 plus 5 is 1 yeah the 11 there you go.

So anyway Here's here's a letter just give you an idea of you know, why invest this time? Well, first of all, it gets your mind off of everything else. I Don't want to be talking about that stuff all day long.

It does give us a real good opportunity to delve into church history and theology and.

I.

Again taught church history many times. In fact first class I taught after graduating from seminary was was church history at Grand Canyon University. Taught a number of times love teaching church history, and I've always connected church history to theology to what we believe today.

I've emphasized the need for understanding the influences that have helped to shape the vocabulary that we use the terminology that we use very very important stuff, especially in Apologetics and as everybody knows when people ask me what are the.

What are the classes that meant the most to you in Bible college and seminary in doing apologetics real easy? Greek and church history. Greek and church history. Those were the two classes or series of classes that Did the most for me?

So with that we have a letter from Susan. Susan writes in and Susan says dear brother white. I'm writing after viewing a video that Leighton flowers featured on YouTube regarding your response to Ken Wilson's short version from his thesis on Augustine's influence on Calvinism.

In other words, she didn't Watch what I said only what Leighton flowers said that I said. I'm continuing to wonder why you persist in this false gospel of Calvinism or as it goes incognito with the title reformed theology.

I'm surprised that you challenge such a scholarly synthesis of Ken Wilson's work. It should be clear by now that all who embrace Calvinism are partakers of a false gospel. Brother Wilson's work in my estimation puts the final nail in the coffin.

Brother white the debate is over. It was over years ago with the first protests of Arminius. Unfortunately, the enemy continues to revive its century by century only to be once again debunked. So you claim to be a scholar and host a broadcast that continues to support this false doctrine.

Therefore I make an appeal to your intelligence to cease and desist supporting this doctrine as biblical and Christian. Clearly even a lay person understands the fallacy. You sir should much more as a scholar be able to understand them to be to be false a few weeks ago The Holy Spirit woke me up in the middle of the night and said that judgment is coming to all schools and churches.

That continue to embrace this doctrine. He said this would be in the form of financial depletion. Holy Spirit has used many persons in the body of Christ to push back on this doctrine. However, many persist to teach it and infect the schools and churches.

Sir, I exhort you to be a stand-up Christian and to be a leader and to repent and be an example to other Brothers and sisters who teach this false gospel. We can therefore go forward and teach the true gospel, which is God's Provision for anyone who chooses Jesus as his or her Savior to thus be saved and inherit eternal life.

Then there's some written stuff. You're all can the Trinity though. No, that's nice.

I.

Pray that you truly are his elect as you describe it and eat some humble pie on this one. Admit that you missed it a true sign of contrition and that's what Susan Susan Marcus has to say.

So.

Rich is telling me there. He keeps telling me Wilson this and Wilson that and I keep going rich. We have multiple Wilson's in our lives right now. You need to be specific as to which Wilson we're talking about because it would be very confusing to confuse Doug Wilson and Ken Wilson.

Get a soccer ball, that's that'd be a different Wilson. Are we still no we now we need to. Well. When the Holy Spirit woke Susan up about the financial depletion I I guess he forgot that all seminaries are going to be financially depleted in the future and by the kovat 19 virus.

Including the one that Ken Wilson Works for as well. So there you get the idea from. What Rich is telling me is that we we have stumbled upon the Holy Grail here the The how dare you ever question what a graduate of Oxford said.

Well Do forgive me but I. The thesis of this book is Marginal it's on the outside margins. It is not representative of mainstream Christian historical scholarship for hundreds of years. He's not the first person to have read through Augustine chronologically by any stretch of the imagination.

Many people have done that in the past. It is well known that there's development in Augustine's material. It is well known that Augustine and every other early church father was influenced by his context by his background by language.

And especially by the conflicts that that early church father engaged in these are not these are not disputed issues. The disputed issue is the conclusion. That Ken Wilson comes to and.

A.

Conclusion that I read a couple programs ago. The famous reformed theologian Benjamin Warfield commented the Reformation in really considered. No, don't worry about it was just that the ultimate triumph of Augustine's doctrine of grace.

It was actually the full statement as Augustine's doctrine of grace over Augustine's doctrine of the church. But anyway Warfield's statement is pinpoint accurate. But unfortunately due to Luther's and Calvin's reliance upon Augustine the unmerited grace of the Christian God did not triumph in Augustinian Calvinism reformed theology.

It was the radicalized grace of the Manichaean God who triumphed. So Susan says false gospel. Ken Wilson says different God Manichaean God. This is radical it is utterly unsubstantiated by his argumentation.

And we're gonna demonstrate that and then if he wants to debate that if he dares To put that out there and then say yeah, I will demonstrate I will prove that because Manichaeans Interpreted a verse in a way.

I think they interpreted it. That's why that's how everybody else is done that there is no grammatical historical and exegesis going on in any of Calvin any of Luther. The Bible had nothing to do with this.

It's all just Manichaeism. That is absurd. I can't believe anyone would defend it, but if he wants to defend it great fine. She wants to defend this statement. Fine, but we will have so fully demonstrated the errors.

The manifold historical and theological errors in that that I don't. I don't know how anyone could do it. It would end up being another Tassie debate on that level.

So.

Okay, fine. So like I said on the last program What we need to do and I think I muted this thing. I've got to unmute it because there's that but I haven't seen any more notifications coming through. There was an interview in 2018.

The first interview that Layton flowers did with Ken Wilson. Why listen to this. Because it provides the background of this. Which then is the summary of this and we were told you shouldn't respond to this.

You respond to this. But everybody's reading this. So if you respond to this, you're not responding what they're actually reading. Okay. So is there some huge difference between these two? Well size-wise there is but there if a person is a meaningful author at all or a meaningful teacher at all.

Um.

This should be an accurate distillation of. This right? Well, this didn't exist when this interview took place. So if what's in the interview ends up in here, what does that tell us? That that represents the author's intention right.

Okay.

So.

You have it all laid out here and so we're gonna go through it and we're gonna listen to portions of it and use that as an introduction and I just figure people. Find listening a little bit easier than just reading large chunks of text on Keynote slides, which you know, we'll have to do some some of but anyway.

All right. Let's finally dive into this thing here. Let's get started.

Ken Wilson on Augustine, Free Will, and the Roots of Calvinism

But he also is a PhD has a PhD from Oxford.

He has a d fill. That's what I I have. Yeah this this says d fill and in my experience d fill doctors of philosophy See that as a Especially over in England. Something that separates them just a little bit from those who are just a plain old PhD, you know.

So I've encountered people who really did view their d fill as More special special arrear Than just a plain old PhD, but his own book says d fill so maybe Layton you might want to use the terminology.

That he himself uses that might be a good idea. But he else all I did was follow the instructions Augustin gave on.

Okay, that's Ken Wilson. Layton of flowers has said you're a really smart guy. So, you know, should we you know, just listen to what you have to say. And so now he's describing how he Engaged in his study buddy else.

All I did was follow the instructions Augustin gave on how to find out what he taught. And he said you need to read it in chronological order and it is just surprising. Nobody'd set out and did that to figure out where he went.

So all I did was follow the instructions.

Lots of people have read Augustin in chronological order. It's not the first person's ever done that. Like I said there there have been tremendous Augustin scholars down through the centuries. There there have been more volumes written on Augustin and in-depth on Augustin than I can imagine and it's actually basic fundamental knowledge amongst Church historians.

People who work in that field have taught in that field. That there's development in Augustin. There are influences in Augustin and especially Like I said, I remember I remember a conference 93 ish somewhere around there Here in the valley where my whole presentation at this conference.

Was.

What we can learn from the blind spots in Augustin because if someone as brilliant as Augustin could have blind spots and inconsistencies and contradictions in his theology We can too and that the primary reason for those contradictions and blind spots Were were the conflicts that he had in his life.

So in other words the Donatist controversy at the beginning of his ministry the Pelagian controversy at the end of his ministry. Those are the two major ones. He's engaged in all sorts of minor ones, too.

But those are the ones that really took a great deal of his time and effort and so you that's why the Roman Catholics can quote from his Antidonatist writings and the Reformed can quote from his anti Pelagian writings during the course the Reformation.

That's what Warfield was talking about. So This is not some wow No one's ever thought of this type thing at all. What no one ever thought of before is the idea that you can just simply transfer quote-unquote Manichean interpretations as if there is such thing as a Manichean Interpretive hermeneutical principle remember Manny and his followers the Manicheans Put together a religion in the middle 200s so the middle of 3rd century that is a mixture of Zoroastrianism Gnosticism Buddhism and Christianity.

Now if you can't tell the difference Between Reformed hermeneutics and something would come out of that mess. I don't know what to say to you. If you think you can transport Manichean interpretation Lockstock and barrel through Augustine into Calvin.

I don't know what to say to you. Because It's absurd it makes no sense, but There you go. So this is this is not anything new. I think I think from what I'm hearing the big thing here is the assertion of an editing process later on Undertaken by Augustine himself.

I'm hearing a brrr is is that Up fixed it. I fixed it. Did you see that? Did you turn it down? Did I fix it? Oh Okay, it's up more now, but I It I'm not sure if you turn it down the same moment. I turn this but oh, it's still there Yeah, but I'm hearing something.

I've never heard before I'm hearing about stuff that anyway, okay. Sorry. We're live All right, let's get back to Ken Wilson here.

No, you taught as an adjunct professor there at that Gateway Seminary. And so you've you've you've been tied into a Southern Baptist to some degree.

Okay, Gateway Seminary former Golden Gate Baptist Theological Seminary. He has a THM from Golden Gate. I taught at Golden Gate at the same and during the same time period where he was a student at Golden Gate.

I doesn't mean we would have crossed caught crossed paths. Because I I again I forgot to look it up. But it had been a while since I had been on the main campus.

In.

In Mill Valley and did most of my teaching in in Scottsdale in the Arizona campus at GGBTS before it became Gateway and went to Los Angeles or someplace wherever it went. I'm not even sure where it it's located anymore.

Sure. Well when I went to Oxford the goal was to study Augustine and to find out Why he changed his views. That's a pretty common Commonly known fact among the scholars that he did change his views from a traditional view of free will and then he went to a more deterministic type of viewpoint.

That is well known.

And.

The standard answer is dealing with plagias and Arguing the issues with plagias. Now one thing that is going to come up is the issue of baptism.

And.

An understanding. What you what you need to understand again huge tomes on the subject of baptism have been written massive tomes and to be honest with you in my experience if you're an Orthodox guy writing on baptism or Roman Catholic guy writing a baptism a Lutheran guy writing a baptism a Non Lutheran Protestant Presbyterian writing a baptism a Baptist writing on baptism.