May 27, 2021 Show with Darrell Harrison & Virgil Walker on “The Wokeness Movement’s Rejection of Diversity Among Black People”

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And I'm so thrilled to have back on the program two guests whom I absolutely love interviewing, Darrell Bernard Harrison and Virgil Walker. They are both co-hosts of the Just Thinking podcast. And Darrell Bernard Harrison is now Dean of Social Media at the Bible Teaching Ministry of the world-renowned Bible teacher, Dr. John MacArthur.

Grace to you. And Virgil Walker is now Executive Director of Operations at G3 Ministries. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Darrell Bernard Harrison and Virgil Walker.

Yeah, it's exciting to have you guys back on the show together. And the theme that we are addressing today is the Wokeness Movement's rejection of diversity among black people. We're also going to be discussing two upcoming events that our guests are involved in.

First of all, the Wokeness and the Gospel Conference, which is coming up right around the corner in a matter of days, June 11th and 12th in Denton, Texas, where my friend Darrell Bernard Harrison is on the speaking roster.

And also the G3 Conference coming up in September 30th through October 2nd at the Denton Bible Church in Denton, Texas, where both of these men, I'm sorry, the latter was being held in Atlanta, Georgia, I'm sorry.

The G3 Conference is being held in Atlanta, Georgia, and featuring both of my guests, both Darrell Bernard Harrison and Virgil Walker. And that is on the theme of Christ is supreme above all. And I love the way someone on Facebook, in response to our promotion for today's interview on the Wokeness Movement's rejection of diversity among black people, somebody responded, the boys in the metal man are taking no prisoners today.

I think that's the first time I am aware that I've been called the metal man because of Iron Sherpa's iron. But well, first of all, Darrell, if you could let our listeners know about this upcoming conference, Wokeness and the Gospel.

Yeah, thanks, Chris. I'll be glad to. So the conference, and then pass the messages to these individuals while they may be doing to clear, we know various layers of this movement so that they can various ideologies that make up this whole Wokeness.

And just so you folks can find out more information about this and even register, which is what we hope you do, go to Wokenessandgospel .org, Wokenessandgospel .org. I'm so excited to be manning an exhibitor's booth there.

This is my first visit to Texas. The only time I've ever been in Texas before was on layover in the airport. I never left the airport on that occasion. But this is going to be a great first time experience for me, especially since my oldest brother, John, who is 76, lives in Justin, Texas, which is I think less than a half hour from where this conference is.

And I'd appreciate all of you praying for my visits with John. He is an unbeliever. He has cancer. He has critical stage emphysema, and he has an inoperable aneurysm. So please pray that the Lord places upon my lips the right things to say.

To deliver the gospel once again to my brother, and please pray that the Lord gives him a new heart so that he receives the gospel. And I can know that whatever his will is regarding my brother's life, I'll know that either scenario of living through these ailments or passing into eternity will be good news either way if he comes to Christ.

So please pray for that. And Virgil, this will be my fourth, God willing, G3 conference where I am manning an exhibitor's.

Booth.

It is always such a phenomenal experience for me, and it always benefits me greatly, not only personally, but benefits my program in quite a number of ways, manning an exhibitor's booth there. So I understand that this is predicted, due to evidence, of course, to be the largest G3 conference ever.

But you expect well over 6 ,000 people this year.

We anticipate the largest G3 ever, and I'd argue one of the antitheses is going to be about Christ and his supremacy. And we're going to analyze biblical Christology, and it really goes back, as you were talking about your brother and your hope for him to come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ.

I'm reminded of the importance of Christ being preached. We have a tendency in our culture to use challenges, and we are to be prepared to give an answer to anyone who asks us for the hope that we have.

But the very beginning of that verse in 1 Peter 3, 15 and 16, begins by saying, honor Christ the Lord as holy. And then it says, always to be prepared to give an answer to anyone who asks for the hope that we have.

And so our G3 ministries, and to amplify our going into kind of that fall season, as people begin to hit that holiday, is really to honor Christ and to exalt him, supreme, reigning supreme. And the lineup of St. Conrad in Bayway, the Paul Washer, of course, Dr. John MacArthur in attendance in one location, as you can with regard to G3.

And to hear this many speakers is around the country, and it's all right here at G3, October 30th through October 2nd. We can't wait.

Amen.

And for more details on that conference and to register, go to g3conference .com, g3conference .com. Well, I'm going to give our listeners our email address right away. If they have questions on wokeness, and specifically, our title today is The Wokeness Movement's Rejection of Diversity Among Black People.

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Wokeness, Skin Color, and the Christian View of Diversity

This is a very amazing, mind-boggling phenomenon. This whole culture here in the United States, the leftist culture, that is enthusiastic about this wokeness movement. And by the way, it is interesting to see more and more people on the left coming out against some of the various elements of this.

Because it's basically a cannibalistic movement. You wonder how many will be left standing in about five years, because the list of people who are on their hit list is growing, and growing to include some of the left's own.

Heroes.

So it's kind of interesting to see how this is developing and devolving. But the title that I have given today's program about the Wokeness Movement's Rejection of Diversity Among Black People, this is really a large evidence, large bit of evidence, that these leftists are treating skin color as if it is a religion.

Obviously, we who are Christians, we who are Bible-believing Christians, although we recognize there is diversity within the body of Christ, there is good diversity, there is unfortunate diversity that comes from division over doctrine, because we recognize that we who are Christians are still sinners, we are fallible, we make errors every day, we sin every day, and so there is not a perfect unity on this planet when it comes to the Christian faith.

But we do not promote that there should be great diversity amongst Christianity as far as different gospels, different ideas of the Godhead, different ideas on the nature of who God is, of who Christ is.

So it's understandable when a religion is reluctant to have or permit too much diversity. But when it comes to somebody's skin color, when it comes to citizens of a country like the United States, it seems as if the Wokeness Movement is just as if they are putting their fingers in their ears and shutting their eyes tightly when a black conservative is speaking, and they do not even recognize this as a fellow member of the black community.

In fact, it's kind of interesting that the only time those who are the movers and shakers of the Woke Movement seem to be colorblind is when a black police officer shoots a black citizen, and they treat that police officer as if he is a white racist.

But if you could, let's start with Daryl, do you think I'm making sense here? Am I overstating the case?

Yeah, number one, Chris, I think you're making perfect sense. You're not overstating the case at all. One thing I will add, this idea of Wokeness is a reality that I've actually read is non-existent, and I'm not exaggerating that.

If you are black, ideologically, as an LGBT activist, notwithstanding the fact that you may share a similar shade of melanin with that society, culture, you're not black. You're not black even though you're black.

Can it be a black black? I don't identify with the society and culture that they do. It's sad to have to admit, but it is a reality.

Yeah, and tragically, not only in the church, but some of the Wokeness Movement's leaders, most outspoken figures, theologians, scholars, are men who agreed with us theologically and may still agree with us on many points of theology.

But as few as nine years ago, I've had some of the core people that are now leading the Wokeness Movement on my radio program, and we were not at odds on anything. And in fact, these men were denouncing, and even with laughter in their voices, mocking some of the very things that they are standing for right now.

It is quite bizarre, and it is quite perplexing and frightening, to be honest, to see that men who seem to have such a solid grasp on the deeper things of the Scriptures, in agreement with historic Reformational Christianity, Biblical Christianity, to develop these horrific and heretical ideas.

And Virgil, what would you have to add to this conversation that we're having right now?

No, I completely agree. I think two things are unique to this time. I think I completely agree with Daryl. This is not new. I think Daryl pointed back to 70 years or so ago that we recognize that there's been this political movement in a particular direction where ideologically Blacks have particularly aligned.

You see that in voting blocs with regard to the Democratic Party. You see that socially, and for the most part, you're beginning to see that theologically now. Circles that, heretofore, you never really saw that happening, to the point that you made, Chris, just five years ago.

You had men on your show who were articulating all the kinds of theologically sound, orthodox ideas that, at the time, what we're seeing is this capitulation. When it comes to, and I think the natural inclination when you see this is to try to identify what motivated this.

Where did this motivation come from? Where, I'll get with you on this program, anyone who had an idea about treating them as victims and signing a petition of ethnicity. But now, some of those same men are actually doing those same things, advocating those same things, and looking at guys like Daryl and I as if we sold out to something, when actually the real benefit has been capitulating to the social justice movement.

There's been more benefit for men who said, I'll bow the knee to social justice. There's been financial benefit. There's been social acclaim. There's been fighting. If anyone's selling out, I'd argue that the men who sold out were the ones who are now bowing the knee to social justice because of the advantage that it has in culture.

What Daryl and I do is we stand on almost an island on our side of thinking. We're the ones who are now vilified by the vast majority of those who hold a different perspective.

Martin Luther King Jr., Colorblindness, and the Content of Character

Now, Daryl, before you were saying that this is not something new, but isn't there something new about the popularity of this approach as a leftist ideology? For instance, let me give you an example. I was born in 1962.

I was raised in obviously the 60s and 70s as a very young person, graduating high school in 1980. But all of my life until recently, until the wokeness movement began to raise its ugly head in a more demonstrative way, saturating the media, the approach to racial relationships, and I hate to use that word because you men and I both agree there's only one race, it's the human race, and the melanin content in our skin is of zero importance to who we are as human beings.

But to use the vocabulary, the vernacular of the world, racial relationships were typically viewed, unless you were on the side of the nation of Islam or a racist of a white persuasion, you viewed the world basically through the lenses of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s understanding of race relationships.

And I always have to be careful. I think that there are many reasons to view Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. as an American hero, but I do not view him as a Christian hero. I do not have much confidence that he was a regenerate person, and even I don't have any real clear evidence that he ever repented of his denial of some of the key pillars of the faith, like the virgin birth of Christ, the deity of Christ, his substitutionary atonement, bodily resurrection, things like that.

Although there are some who think that he quietly repented of the heresies of his higher education. I don't think that you could really quietly repent of those things if you hold them to be the nearest and dearest things in your heart, who Christ was and what he has accomplished.

But having said that, I just want to make sure that people don't think that I am lifting up Dr. King as a hero in all respects. But there basically has been a general acceptance of people who are not bigots, whether you are from a left-wing persuasion or a right-wing persuasion, that we are to judge people not according to the color of their skin, but according to the content of their character.

And that seems to be no longer the ideology of the left. In fact, they would view that in and of itself as racist, which is, to me, utterly mind-boggling. And I'm going to have you both pick up on that when we return from our first break, because we have to go to our first commercial break right now.

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The Gospel, Social Justice, and the Divide Within Reformed Christianity

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Daryl, you may remember before the break that I was mentioning that there seems to be, by the left, an amazing denial of things that liberals have always been in the forefront of promoting, as well as conservatives who were not bigoted.

The promotion of the fact that we are to judge people not according to the color of their skin, but upon the content of their character. That seems to be actually viewed as racist now by the Wokeness Movement.

So wouldn't that be a change as far as a popular leftist idea and worldview?

We argued that now we have the opportunity to communicate our various... But I don't know if more people are advocating it, even on the left. There's something ironic about Martin Luther King's probably most noted 1960s when he said to eat the color of their skin.

The King even has humanity does not recognize one another based on... Reminded of things like the moralistic model or the ethical model of a dog riding when on the park. And we have today in society this formation of society where we all just inside out.

That's how it is. I think it's ironic that people who want to leverage their work into the preaching of...

Yes.

Chris, if you'll allow me, if you will, I heard it, understand the magnitude of it. Positing can be examined and tested based upon the evidence. When you think of the height of the civil right, I'm not diminishing Argo Day and each one of us defect sovereign God.

We recognize the need for us to treat one another with dignity and respect, color, once again, Civil Rights Act of 1964, which ends segregation, the crown jewel of the civil rights movement. It actually designed to do.

King actually won. The victory that he won can no longer now discriminate against the one on the base. Some odd years later are issues regarding the lack of a heart transformation in individual.

Culture.

Why will love one another and care for one another, not on the basis of the heart of the individual?

Yes. And how is it? You guys are obviously in the forefront of this movement. How are those men that have agreed with us for decades on theology, those that were, for lack of a better term, conservative?

They believed in biblical inerrancy. They believed in the doctrines of sovereign grace, reform theology, some of them confessional. How are they responding to the correct criticism of men like you? That this is actually an eclipse of the gospel.

This is dividing men over issues that God does not divide men. This has really become, and I am agreeing with many of my guests who discussed this issue, that this has become one of the greatest, if not the greatest, assaults on the gospel in the 21st century, and especially a assault on the gospel coming from, very often, within the reformed faith.

How are they responding to these critiques? The movers and shakers of the woke movement that once shared, nearly identically, our theology and practice and worldview.

Yeah, I think this is Darrell, and very well may be reformed. They may very well hold to the bottom line. Fundamentally, this is all going to boil down to an issue of, see, what I see, have the case, whether or not we're talking about, it doesn't really matter how they feel.

That second, depositing the gospel, we have people out here, a situation. A message of faith, right with the heart. It does not come from embracing elitism, it's pretty clear. I didn't come to make things incarnate and human from just self-centered.

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Wokeness, Abortion, and the Limits of Penance

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