May 27, 2021 Show with Darrell Harrison & Virgil Walker on “The Wokeness Movement’s Rejection of Diversity Among Black People”

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And I'm so thrilled to have back on the program two guests whom I absolutely

love interviewing, Darrell Bernard Harrison and Virgil Walker.

They are both co -hosts of the Just Thinking podcast.

And Darrell Bernard Harrison is now Dean of Social Media at the

Bible Teaching Ministry of the world -renowned Bible teacher, Dr. John MacArthur.

Grace to you.

And Virgil Walker is now Executive Director of Operations at G3 Ministries.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Darrell Bernard Harrison

and Virgil Walker.

Yeah, it's exciting to have you guys back on the show together.

And the theme that we are addressing today is the Wokeness Movement's rejection of

diversity among black people.

We're also going to be discussing two upcoming events that our guests

are involved in.

First of all, the Wokeness and the Gospel Conference, which is coming up right around the corner in a matter of days,

June 11th and 12th in Denton, Texas, where my friend Darrell Bernard Harrison is

on the speaking roster.

And also the G3 Conference coming up in September

30th through October 2nd at the Denton Bible Church in Denton, Texas,

where both of these men, I'm sorry, the latter was being held in

Atlanta, Georgia, I'm sorry.

The G3 Conference is being held in Atlanta, Georgia, and featuring both of my guests,

both Darrell Bernard Harrison and Virgil Walker.

And that is on the theme of Christ is supreme above all.

And I love the way someone on Facebook, in response to

our promotion for today's interview on the Wokeness Movement's rejection of diversity among

black people, somebody responded, the boys in the metal

man are taking no prisoners today.

I think that's the first time I am aware that I've been called the metal man because of Iron Sherpa's iron.

But well, first of all, Darrell, if you could let our listeners know

about this upcoming conference, Wokeness and the Gospel.

Yeah, thanks, Chris.

I'll be glad to.

So the

conference,

and

then

pass

the

messages to these

individuals while they may be doing

to clear, we

know various

layers of this movement so that they can

various ideologies that make up this whole Wokeness.

And just so you folks can find out more information about this and even

register, which is what we hope you do, go to Wokenessandgospel .org,

Wokenessandgospel .org.

I'm so excited to be manning an exhibitor's booth there.

This is my first visit to Texas.

The only time I've ever been in Texas before was on layover in the airport.

I never left the airport on that occasion.

But this is going to be a great first time experience for me, especially

since my oldest brother, John, who is 76, lives in Justin, Texas, which

is I think less than a half hour from where this conference is.

And I'd appreciate all of you praying for my visits with John.

He is an unbeliever.

He has cancer.

He has critical stage emphysema, and he has an inoperable aneurysm.

So please pray that the Lord places upon my lips

the right things to say.

To deliver the gospel once again to my brother, and please pray that the Lord

gives him a new heart so that he receives the gospel.

And I can know that whatever his will is regarding my brother's life, I'll know that

either scenario of living through these ailments or passing into eternity will be

good news either way if he comes to Christ.

So please pray for that.

And Virgil, this will be my fourth, God willing, G3

conference where I am manning an exhibitor's.

Booth.

It is always such a phenomenal experience for me, and it always benefits

me greatly, not only personally, but benefits my program in quite a number of ways,

manning an exhibitor's booth there.

So I understand that this is predicted,

due to evidence, of course, to be the largest G3 conference ever.

But you expect well over 6 ,000 people this year.

We anticipate the largest G3 ever,

and I'd argue one of the

antitheses is going to be about

Christ and his supremacy.

And we're going to analyze biblical Christology, and it really goes back, as you were talking about your

brother and your hope for him to come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ.

I'm reminded of the importance of Christ being preached.

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to hit that holiday, is really to honor Christ and to exalt him,

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And the lineup of St. Conrad in Bayway, the Paul

Washer, of course, Dr. John MacArthur

in attendance

in one location, as you can with regard to G3.

And to hear this many speakers is around the

country, and it's all right here at G3, October 30th

through October 2nd.

We can't wait.

Amen.

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Well, I'm going to give our listeners our email address right away.

If they have questions on wokeness, and specifically, our title today is The Wokeness

Movement's Rejection of Diversity Among Black People.

Our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com, chrisarnson at gmail .com,

c -h -r -i -s -a -r -n -z -e -n at gmail .com.

As always, give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live

outside of the USA.

This is a very amazing, mind -boggling

phenomenon.

This whole culture here in the United States, the leftist culture, that is

enthusiastic about this wokeness movement.

And by the way, it is interesting to see more and more people on the left coming out against some

of the various elements of this.

Because it's basically a cannibalistic movement.

You wonder how many will be left standing in about five years, because the

list of people who are on their hit list is growing, and growing to include

some of the left's own.

Heroes.

So it's kind of interesting to see how this is developing and devolving.

But the title that I have given today's program about the Wokeness Movement's

Rejection of Diversity Among Black People, this is really a

large evidence, large bit of evidence, that these

leftists are treating skin color as if it is a religion.

Obviously, we who are Christians, we who are Bible -believing Christians,

although we recognize there is diversity within the body of Christ, there

is good diversity, there is unfortunate diversity that comes from division over

doctrine, because we recognize that we who are Christians are

still sinners, we are fallible, we

make errors every day, we sin every day, and so there is not a perfect unity

on this planet when it comes to the Christian faith.

But we do not promote that there should be great

diversity amongst Christianity as far as different gospels, different

ideas of the Godhead, different ideas on the nature of who

God is, of who Christ is.

So it's understandable when a religion is reluctant to have or

permit too much diversity.

But when it comes to somebody's skin color, when it comes to

citizens of a country like the United States, it seems as if the

Wokeness Movement is just as if they are putting their

fingers in their ears and shutting their eyes tightly when a black conservative is speaking,

and they do not even recognize this as a fellow member of the black community.

In fact, it's kind of interesting that the only time those who are the

movers and shakers of the Woke Movement seem to be colorblind is when a

black police officer shoots a black citizen,

and they treat that police officer as if he is a white racist.

But if you could, let's start with Daryl, do you think I'm making sense here?

Am I overstating the case?

Yeah, number one, Chris, I think you're making perfect sense.

You're not overstating the case at all.

One thing I will add,

this idea of Wokeness

is a

reality

that

I've

actually

read

is non

-existent, and I'm not exaggerating that.

If you are black, ideologically,

as an

LGBT

activist, notwithstanding the fact that you may

share a similar shade of melanin with

that society, culture,

you're not black.

You're not black even though you're black.

Can it be a black black?

I don't identify with

the society and

culture that they do.

It's sad to have to admit, but it is a reality.

Yeah, and tragically, not only in the church, but some of

the Wokeness Movement's leaders, most

outspoken figures, theologians, scholars,

are men who agreed with us theologically and may still agree with us on many points of

theology.

But as few as nine years ago, I've had some of the core people

that are now leading the Wokeness Movement on my radio program, and we were not at odds on

anything.

And in fact, these men were denouncing, and even with

laughter in their voices, mocking some of the very things that they are standing for right

now.

It is quite bizarre, and it is quite perplexing and frightening, to be

honest, to see that men who seem to have such a solid grasp

on the deeper things of the Scriptures, in agreement with historic Reformational

Christianity, Biblical Christianity, to develop these

horrific and heretical ideas.

And Virgil, what would you have to add to this conversation that we're having right now?

No, I completely agree.

I think two things are unique to this time.

I think I completely agree with Daryl.

This is not new.

I think Daryl pointed back to 70 years or so ago that

we recognize that there's been this political movement in a particular direction where

ideologically Blacks have particularly aligned.

You see that in voting blocs with regard to the Democratic Party.

You see that socially, and

for the most part, you're beginning to see that theologically now.

Circles that, heretofore, you never really saw that happening, to the point that you made,

Chris, just five years ago.

You had men on your show who were articulating all the kinds of theologically sound, orthodox

ideas that, at the time, what we're seeing is this

capitulation.

When it comes to, and I think

the natural inclination when you see this is to try to identify what motivated this.

Where did this motivation come from?

Where, I'll get with you on this program,

anyone who had an idea about treating them as victims and signing a

petition of ethnicity.

But now, some of those same men are actually doing those same things, advocating those same things,

and looking at guys like Daryl and I as if we sold out to

something, when actually the real benefit has been capitulating to the social

justice movement.

There's been more benefit for men who said, I'll bow the knee to social justice.

There's been financial benefit.

There's been social acclaim.

There's been fighting.

If anyone's selling out, I'd argue that the men who sold out were the ones who are now bowing the knee to social

justice because of the advantage that it has in culture.

What Daryl and I do is we stand on almost an island on our side of

thinking.

We're the ones who are now vilified by the vast majority of those who hold a different perspective.

Now, Daryl, before you were saying that this is not something new, but isn't

there something new about the popularity of this

approach as a leftist ideology?

For instance, let me give you an example.

I was born in 1962.

I was raised in obviously the 60s and 70s as a very young person,

graduating high school in 1980.

But all of my life until recently, until the wokeness movement

began to raise its ugly head in a more demonstrative way,

saturating the media, the approach to

racial relationships, and I hate to use that word because you men and I both

agree there's only one race, it's the human race, and the melanin content in our skin

is of zero importance to who we are as human beings.

But to use the vocabulary, the vernacular of the

world, racial relationships were typically

viewed, unless you were on the side of the nation of

Islam or a racist of a

white persuasion, you viewed the world

basically through the lenses of Dr. Martin Luther King

Jr.'s understanding of race relationships.

And I always have to be careful.

I think that there are many reasons to view Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. as an American hero,

but I do not view him as a Christian hero.

I do not have much confidence that he was a regenerate person, and even

I don't have any real clear evidence that he ever repented of his denial of some of the

key pillars of the faith, like the virgin birth of Christ,

the deity of Christ, his substitutionary atonement, bodily resurrection, things like that.

Although there are some who think that he quietly repented of the heresies of his

higher education.

I don't think that you could really quietly repent of those things if you hold them to be the

nearest and dearest things in your heart, who Christ was and what he has accomplished.

But having said that, I just want to make sure that people don't think that I am lifting up Dr. King

as a hero in all respects.

But there basically has been a general acceptance of people

who are not bigots, whether you are from a left -wing

persuasion or a right -wing persuasion, that we are to

judge people not according to the color of their skin, but according to the content of their

character.

And that seems to be no longer the ideology of the left.

In fact, they would view that in and of itself as racist, which is, to me,

utterly mind -boggling.

And I'm going to have you both pick up on that when we return from our first break, because we have to go to our first commercial break right now.

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Daryl, you may remember before the break that I was mentioning

that there seems to be, by the left, an amazing

denial of things that liberals have always been in the forefront

of promoting, as well as conservatives who were not bigoted.

The promotion of the fact that we are to judge people not according to the

color of their skin, but upon the content of their character.

That seems to be actually viewed as racist now by the Wokeness Movement.

So wouldn't that be a change as far as a popular

leftist idea and worldview?

We argued that now we

have the

opportunity

to

communicate

our

various...

But I don't know if more

people are advocating it, even on the left.

There's something ironic about Martin Luther

King's probably most noted

1960s when he said to eat the

color of their skin.

The King even has

humanity does not recognize one another

based

on...

Reminded of

things like the

moralistic model or the ethical model

of a

dog

riding when on the park.

And we have today in

society this

formation of society where we

all

just

inside out.

That's how it is.

I think

it's

ironic

that people who want to

leverage

their work

into the

preaching

of...

Yes.

Chris, if you'll allow me, if you will, I

heard it, understand the magnitude of it.

Positing can be examined and tested based upon the evidence.

When you think of the height of the

civil

right, I'm not diminishing Argo

Day and each one of

us defect sovereign God.

We recognize the need for us to treat one another with dignity and respect,

color, once again, Civil Rights Act of

1964, which ends segregation,

the crown jewel of the civil rights movement.

It actually designed to do.

King actually won.

The victory that he won can no longer now discriminate against the one on

the base.

Some odd years later are issues regarding the lack of a heart transformation in

individual.

Culture.

Why

will love one

another and care for one another, not on the basis

of the heart of the individual?

Yes.

And how is it?

You guys are obviously in the forefront of this movement.

How are those men that have agreed with us for decades on

theology, those that were, for lack of a better term, conservative?

They believed in biblical inerrancy.

They believed in the doctrines of sovereign grace, reform theology,

some of them confessional.

How are they responding to the correct

criticism of men like you?

That this is actually an eclipse of the gospel.

This is dividing men over issues that God

does not divide men.

This has really become, and I am agreeing with many of my guests who discussed this

issue, that this has become one of the greatest, if not the greatest, assaults

on the gospel in the 21st century, and especially a

assault on the gospel coming from, very often, within the reformed faith.

How are they responding to these critiques?

The movers and shakers of the woke movement that once shared, nearly identically, our

theology and practice and worldview.

Yeah, I think

this is Darrell,

and very well may be reformed.

They may very well hold

to the bottom line.

Fundamentally, this is all going to boil down to an

issue of, see, what I see, have

the case, whether or not we're talking about,

it doesn't really matter how they feel.

That second,

depositing

the gospel, we have people

out here,

a

situation.

A message of faith, right

with the heart.

It

does not come from

embracing

elitism,

it's

pretty clear.

I didn't

come

to

make

things

incarnate

and

human from just

self -centered.

We all just sort of get together and sing kumbaya around a campfire.

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Yeah, we don't anticipate.

Some people are definitely with he and his family and him and his family, and we get periodic updates on

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since this individual is going to be an advertiser on Iron Sharpens Iron

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Sterling's question is, if you two had the

power to wind the proverbial clock back two years, how would you

warn the church of the poison of woke culture and critical race theory?

I don't know if he gave a long enough period of time, maybe you have been doing this for two years, but

if you had in hindsight, if you knew before you started

alarming the public about this stuff, and Darrell will start with you, is

there anything specifically in regard to your approach back then,

as our listener Sterling has asked, about warning the culture about this?

Yeah,

Chris,

first of all,

my blog for

almost anything that I can add to

the ideologies

that are going to

be worldly coming at the church, scripture already warns us

about that.

I would just, that that

wokeness takes

advantage of,

remind them, and this is what I did, I say

this by way

of reminder,

the here

and now, a

theologian

or

apologist,

are you?

That's the only question that remains.

Ten years,

and by way of

reminder,

ideology, I've never seen anything as

it relates to,

I'm not exaggerating when I say, as the

church

already says, ideologies and

worldviews.

How about you Virgil?

Yeah, well listen, I would, I mean, I think Darrell said it incredibly well, like,

you know, three to five years ago, three years ago we were both talking about this on Just Thinking, five years ago, no

different, I mean, we were both in successes, and those

ideas are informed by the Word of God.

I mean, 2 Corinthians, we know that we take every thought captive, we destroy and demolish arguments that raise it,

head up against the knowledge of Christ, and so we, this is no different, and I think Darrell put it well,

that that's the role of the believer, that's the role that we have, that's what we should be doing on a consistent basis,

and we, that should permeate every aspect of what we do as believers.

Praise God, and thank you Sterling, and continue listening to Iron

Sherpa and Zion Radio and spreading the Word about the program in Greensboro, North Carolina and beyond,

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We have Grady, another North Carolinian, Grady from Asheboro, North Carolina,

who has been a very faithful, loyal supporter of this program for years, and also a faithful

financial supporter.

Grady says, Greetings brothers, how are we as Christians to react when confronted by

someone that claims our skin color makes us a racist?

So far I have quoted from Acts chapter 17, 26, and then taken them to Genesis 2

and 9, so they can see there's one race.

We're all created by the true and living God, and He looks at our heart.

Is this a proper response?

And Virgil, go ahead, either one of you.

Yeah, I would just start by saying anyone who's making decisions or

assessments of other individuals on the basis, that's the basic

definition of racism, so we have to kind of start there and unpack what's happening, what the

presupposition is that's causing someone to look at another, examine their skin color, and

determine, you know, the motive of their heart.

So we can start there.

All of the scriptural references

are solid, but you've got to assess who you're dealing with and whether or not they're coming to you

in good faith, meaning that there's a real desire for understanding and not simply

a...that's embedded in things like CRT.

And if I could just add to what

Virgil,

it's one of those tricks

called intuit, and

it's okay to do that.

I think, as believers, we need to understand that it's okay to push

back and

respond

using

biblical...in the

context

of...within.

Don't

come

from without.

Your melanin is static.

Your melanin is not dynamic.

Your melanin doesn't think, it doesn't love, it doesn't

hate.

Reframe

these questions...

Well,

thank you so much, Grady, and continue to listen to the program and spread the word.

About it in Asheboro, North Carolina, and beyond.

One of the things that I've learned from what I have said, and I know that some of my listeners hear me say this a lot

if they listen every day, so they may get a little weary of me saying it again, but I think it's

important when we are discussing this topic.

I think one of the clearest, most obvious, palpable

evidences that the woke movement is totally off -base, totally anti -biblical,

heretical, dangerous, is...we see this

in the Apostle Paul's rebuke of the Judaizers, and

even the Apostle Peter, his rebuke against Peter, or to Peter, for being

duped by this anti -Gentile mindset that

existed amongst early Christians who were, at that time, predominantly Jewish.

The reason why I'm making this parallel is because the Gentile nations

had brutalized and massacred

and enslaved and abused the Jews for

centuries, and yet, even though that was true,

the Jewish Christians were forbidden from viewing the Gentile Christians in

any different way.

They were not to hold them accountable for past occurrences,

especially occurrences that they personally had nothing to do with it, whether it be their ancestors

from centuries ago or more recent history, or whatever

the case may be.

When you are in Christ, love keeps no record of wrongs.

We're not supposed to be viewing our brothers and sisters in Christ in any different way

because of the way they look, because of their nation of origin, because

of their ethnicity, because of their financial status.

Am I making sense here that this is so clear that any Bible -believing Christian who knows that

whole account of the Judaizers even being condemned by

Paul so strongly that he said they had no gospel at all,

that they are to be accursed?

Is this a correct parallel?

Yeah, that's

an

accurate

parallel.

We keep

these things

as

it relates to critical race theory.

It has a big

dictionary, not even on the table,

and they're encouraging what

I call the idea that, as you

alluded to earlier, to an entire group of people in this term

and in this milieu that we're in right now, that group would be white people.

Imparting guilt to white people, so the woke will impart guilt to white people solely on the basis

that they're white,

by merely existing against me if I'm black.

Repent not only of your being ethnically

white or that

your melanin is white,

but

you must

repent that even if you have not actually sinned and

we may team, it's

nonsensical, it's unbiblical, and then it's

because you've actually been committed.

Forgiveness

exists if

there's no done

and act of it.

Yes, and number one, obviously, no one can repent of their whiteness,

or their blackness, or their Asian -ness.

A leopard cannot change its spots.

But, having said that, it's interesting that the white

leftists who are either really supporting the woke movement, or they're just

giving lip service to it out of fear of some repercussions,

losing their status in society, whatever the case may be.

I don't know of any of these prominent white

leftists in the realm

of Hollywood or anywhere else who are giving up their wealth or their

positions in society and giving them to blacks

or transgendered people.

Am I making sense here?

I mean, Joe Biden hasn't said, you know, ladies and gentlemen, I'm stepping down as president, because Kamala

Harris really should be the president, as a woman and a woman of color.

So I am actually stepping down so that she will become the president of the United States.

You know, that's not happening.

Does that make sense, anything that I'm saying?

Yeah, none of these people actually believe what's said.

They don't.

This is a massive sickley in what this is.

And at the end of the day, no one's willing to really give up any power.

You've got FTC presidents who are saying we need to listen to black voices, we need to we need to

we need to sit back and and give give power at the at the table.

But none of them are advocating their.

Amen.

We're going to be going to our final break.

It's gonna be a lot shorter than the other breaks.

So please, if you have a question that you intend to ask, send it in immediately, because we're rapidly

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Welcome back.

This is Chris Arnzen.

And my question now to our guests, Daryl Bernard Harrison and Virgil Walker.

Perhaps, Virgil, you could start with your own answer before Daryl Bernard Harrison

this time.

Do you notice, or have you become aware of anyone from the woke

movement that may have initially been hanging in there with them

and echoing their nonsense, their heresy, who has either

come around to the truth, repented of these

heresies, and has abandoned the movement?

Or even if they are sticking around in some degree in the periphery,

they're still giving words of caution to some of what is being

said.

I even remember how, you know, throughout

the abortion industry and its existence

as one of the worst plights of American history, one of the darkest

plights on the reputation and existence of this nation,

you had people who were liberal in many ways, like the late Dick

Gregory, black comedian, who was pro -life.

He was very much opposed to abortion.

He knew that abortion was being used by so -called

leftist whites who were really racist, and they wanted to

lower the numbers and, in fact, eventually eliminate the numbers of blacks being born into

this country entirely.

Even the Black Panthers had that as a part of their ideology.

So, sometimes you have these voices that arise amongst liberals that

are not 100 according to the status quo.

Do you see anything like that.

Happening amongst the woke movement, folks?

I really don't.

And again, I think part of it is just the newness of where we are currently in the culture.

I always want to give the benefit of the doubt with the hope that folks will open their eyes to see what's wrong

-headed about their particular ideology, but I've not yet seen that.

You mentioned others who kind of held the idea that

maybe pro -life was the way to go.

Reverend Jesse Jackson's another one, that until he began his presidential run, he

understood.

So, you've got pockets of that.

You hold out hope.

You continue to pray in the meantime.

You preach the gospel.

You preach what's true, and you let the chips fall where they may.

So, that's kind of been my response to it all.

Doubt?

I haven't seen any evidence of any

of that.

Ideology and

worldview, they latch

on.

It's a

totally different area.

Now, we have mentioned during this discussion.

The opposition of the woke movement to any diversity on political ideology

amongst the black population.

From their rule book, as it were, if you are not

right along and lockstep with them, you're not even considered a black person.

It's always interesting, as I mentioned earlier, how if a

black cop shoots a black individual, whether legitimately,

if they are a criminal, endangering the life of the policeman or endangering someone else's life,

if that individual is black that is shot, and especially if they are killed

by a black police officer, the way that the liberals and the leftists in the news

cover that story, it's as if they are acting as if that policeman

is white.

So, obviously, you lose your status as

a black person in their minds.

Are they really still a monolith?

The woke movement, as it were, is it really a monolith, or is there any

disagreement amongst those that are considered.

Leaders

among this

group?

I

would

only

add to it by

saying once

you've

bought

in,.

The unfortunate aspect of the ideology is you can't be woke enough.

You know, every day there's a woke

status.

Every day there's some aspect of oppression that heretofore was not thought about.

And so, you've got to kind of keep up with wokeism.

You've got to keep up with how oppressed you are, how victimized you've been, and

Darrell has said it on numerous occasions.

I want to say it's a quote from one of our previous episodes.

You can't satiate the woke.

There will be nothing you can do to cause them to feel as if

you've checked the box, you've made the mark, you've done what's necessary to

do the right thing.

There's no way that you can repent long enough, hard enough, there's no level of penance that is

sufficient enough for you to satiate the woke.

Now it's interesting how you really can never repent

of being white.

It seems that those in the woke movement believe it is a

worse crime to be white than it is to be a criminal in a

prison, because they seem to be very much open to

setting the most dangerous of criminals, even murderers, free.

I'm assuming if they're black.

And we are to forgive them.

We are to give them a new start.

We are not to hold their crimes of the past against them.

But that is not the same way that white people are being viewed.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, you're absolutely right there, Chris.

And what you're talking about really fundamentally, what is

one of the

Black Lives Matter is then they

want to all print higher, what they will call the

industrial view,

especially

black men that are in prison.

They view this as a organized

way with

avenue, right there with respect.

Whiteness have

landed them

in digging deeper.

I mean, extremely deep into this whole idea of whiteness.

Go on the internet and do a white paper.

It was written by Cheryl.

I in the June 1993 issue of the Harvard Law Review

before we even could find that

as a PDF document and

read through that it will give you.

Now, what place, what role in the Christian life

should be occupied by the enjoyment and

celebration of one's skin color?

This is probably going to get me in trouble somehow.

But I think that number one, we should stop saying that we're proud of being

white or black or what have you.

I think it is very legitimate to say I'm unashamed.

And I thank God for my white or black ancestors,

et cetera, et cetera, to be involved in one's

ethnic traditions and celebrations and so on.

But when does that become, when does it reach a level where do

you both believe that would be.

An area of sin that must be repented of?

Yeah, Chris, I'll go ahead and stop my mind immediately

in Corinthians chapter five.

Also, Paul said, we recognize no one according

Christ.

If you profess to follow Christ, a person's physical

attributes have no value whatsoever.

They draw no attention.

Pride in reality

is,

it's foolish to think that when we

had nothing to do with it, we had not, we

have

absolutely

nothing

to do with any

of the

attributes we

are

ourselves

without

from

us.

Same God who

created

you in his

image.

Now, Virgil, the same question,.

But more specifically, isn't it though completely legitimate to embrace and

celebrate things that might be unique in a dominant way to somebody's culture, whatever

skin color or ethnicity they may have.

It may involve cooking and music.

Not that everybody in that group, whether based on skin color or

ethnicity thinks alike, like the woke movement is trying to brainwash us into

believing, but there are things that may dominate a certain group of people, a

certain culture.

Isn't it okay, as long as nothing that is being believed or celebrated or done is

an offense to God, isn't it okay to enjoy that element of your own

existence and ancestry?

Sure.

I mean, I, you.

Know, Chris, I'd go back to what Darrell said from a biblical

standpoint with regard to that, which is of the flesh, eyes of no benefit.

However, those experiences that we have that are cultural in nature, cultural foods, for

example, the beauty that is ethnicity, the absolute beauty in

levels of melanin, but not in and of themselves.

They are wonderful because the God who created them is wonderful.

They are beautiful because the God who created them is

indeed should redound back to the

glory and majesty and beauty that is God's

claim.

Diversity should

be marveled.

Amen.

And it's ironic, isn't it, that I'm supposed to repent of my whiteness, and

yet how could I do that unless I culturally appropriated something about

blackness, and that's supposed to be a crime and a sin in the woke movement to

culturally appropriate anyone else's.

Appearance or behavior?

Am I right?

No, you're absolutely right.

Whiteness is

anything that's not blackness.

We did an episode of our podcast, The Just Thinking Podcast, we title it simply Whiteness, if you want to hear it.

Go to justthinking .me, title Whiteness, we give the definition of

whiteness in that episode.

I want to thank

you both for

being such superb guests.

I want to let our listeners know who saw the photographs of

my guests on Facebook.

As we promoted this event, I want you to relax and rest assured that they have not converted

to the nation of Islam, even though they were wearing bow ties, so you don't have to worry about that.

Yes. Don't make that mistake.

I want to make sure that you have the information for the Wokeness and the Gospel Conference, wokenessandgospel

.org, wokenessandgospel .org, which is being held next month.

I want you to know about the website again, about the G3 Conference being held September 30th through October

2nd, g3conference .com, g3conference .com, and also as

our guest just mentioned, Just Thinking, the podcast website, that is justthinking .me,

justthinking .m as in Michael, e as in Edward, justthinking .me.

I hope that both of you stay on the line for a minute after we go off the air, because I want to give you a proper goodbye

off the air, and I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater

Savior than you are a sinner.