November 20, 2017 Show with David van Gend & Scott Clements on “Stealing From a Child: The Injustice of ‘Marriage Equality'”

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This is Chris Arns and your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Monday on this 20th

day of November 2017 and I

am very delighted to have not only a returning guest But a first -time guest

on together today both from the land down under Australia.

We have two guests from Australia Discussing a very important issue.

We have first of all for the very first time on iron sharpens iron radio Dr.

David van Gendt.

He's an Australian family doctor a musician a father a Combatant

on matters of life and death family and freedom and the author of stealing from a

child the Injustice of marriage equality.

It's my honor and privilege to welcome you to iron sharpens iron for the very first time ever Dr. David van

Gendt.

It's great to have you here brother and we also have returning to the program Scott Clements

who is an Australian lay preacher and a church planter of The Kuma Reformed

Bible Church in Kuma, South Wales, Australia.

And it's great to have you back on iron sharpens iron radio Scott Clements.

And we'll let our listeners know how they can join us on the air with a question of your own.

It's Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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Please give us your first name at least your city and state in your country of residence if you live outside of the USA and

Please only remain anonymous if it is about a personal and private matter over which you are asking and

I could readily see a subject like this Lending itself to people having

personal and private matters that they want to talk about.

But.

Please other than the personal and private ones.

Give us at least your first name city and state and country of residence.

Well, first of all, dr. David van Gendt before we even go into the subject at

hand if you could give us a summary of how you were raised

religiously and If any religion at all and how the Lord

in his providence guided you to himself and saved you.

The abbreviated version since the main topic at hand is your book stealing from a child.

But if you could start with your own experience of coming to Christ,

oh, yeah.

Zambia and you don't you

don't get

raised in that

sort of

heritage.

And what when in your life.

Did you realize that you had a calling to be a medical physician?

My dad was

into

mind

the

praise

God

and.

Scott Clements you approached me with the theme of our program today because

there is some kind of Tragic landmark event legally that occurred there in Australia

that kind of Echoes if you will something that occurred here in the United States if you could tell us about that.

We had a referendum on the subject of same -sex marriage.

At least we had the privilege I guess of expressing our views.

But we had a referendum.

The referendum the basic numbers came back in.

We were.

They were published a few days ago.

Now here in Australia it was 62 in favor 38 against

roughly one percentage.

Oh, yeah, I guess

I've seen us losing much worse than that.

38 % is a strong is a strong vote against it.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's certainly an indicator.

It's certainly an indicator to our politicians that there are too many people who disagree

though.

I think some of them desperately want to try to do that.

Well, that is encouraging that even though the those in favor of a biblical

understanding of marriage, even if they're not themselves Christian had such a

Large turnout against same -sex marriage Even though they lost

the number that you just mentioned as I said is encouraging.

Well, dr. Van Gend When was it that you first began

saying to yourself I need to write this book stealing from God the injustice of marriage equality.

Recognizing that this could possibly result in you losing patience.

Or perhaps I don't know what the legal climate is over there in Australia

In this regard, but I'm assuming that if it doesn't happen now down the road you might even

Lose a medical license or be forbidden from practicing medicine as a result of taking this public stand.

But if you could tell us about this book when it when the seed first

was planted in your mind and how it Came to fruition and actually in ended

up in the publishing of this book stealing from God stealing from a child.

I'm sorry.

I've

been

a

year

ago

too

back.

It's

a

body

in

there a

human

Trinity.

For

those of

you who

just

tuned us

in.

Our

guests today

are both from

Australia.

Dr. David van Gend who is an Australian family a doctor a musician

a father a combatant on matters of life and death family and freedom an author of

Stealing from a child the injustice of marriage equality.

We also have Scott Clements on The line from Australia an Australian lay preacher and a

church planter of the Kuma Reform Bible Church of Kuma New South Wales Australia.

If you'd like to join us on the air our email address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com.

Chris Arnson at gmail .com and dr. Van Gend.

Are there?

Many physicians out there or anyone in the medical field who have

been courageous enough and bold enough and Filled with righteous indignation

or enough righteous indignation to come forward in public with a bold stance against same

-sex marriage and Homosexuality as you have.

Yeah, and

of course

they

even

redefine

what

love

means

because obviously you are motivated by love.

You're motivated by not only the love of God and the love of his word but you're motivated by the

love of children and the Compassion of children and The the

desire to see them safe and raised in healthy environments both physically and mentally and spiritually.

I mean, it's it's.

It's it's really absurd when you know liberalism used to be the idea that

They wanted everyone to have an equal voice in the public square and so on.

Now, it's really leftist totalitarianism.

It's not really liberalism because they want our voices completely snuffed out.

They don't want Christians to have freedoms and rights and So on and they don't want children really to have rights, even

though they they claim they want children to have rights but they have a misguided and

Satanic understanding of that when you have the the demand.

I don't know what it's what's going on in Australia in this regard.

But you have leftists Demanding that children should have the right to choose what

gender they are and That kind of a thing.

So it's really a very sick and twisted version of children's rights but

the part of the part that the children's rights that you are for is for are for their Safety,

which would involve their parents.

Being able to protect them and guide them and so forth.

The battlefield trench back.

Well, I'm sure that one of the primary reasons our listeners are eager to hear what you have to

say because it is a very rare voice in the media to hear somebody from

a medical practice or a medical background speak out against

Homosexuality and about or against same -sex marriage is they want to hear

what particularly you as a physician see as the The

negative outcome of these kinds of so -called marriages.

Which we wouldn't we would obviously know or no marriages at all the way marriage is truly defined.

But What what do you document in your book you you brought it up?

Very briefly just a few moments ago.

But what are some of the the negative outcomes of children being raised?

With two Caregivers that are of the same gender.

We

were

going

we

were

speaking

about.

The.

Statistical information about children being raised in homes

that are.

The heads of households are homosexuals.

There are two people of the same gender who knows Pablo possibly more than two people.

And of course, this is very often in this day and age.

But I'm assuming it's still a minority under the guise of the couple being a married couple.

Is that still a small minority of these same -sex?

Households with children in them that the the couple are married.

Is that still a tiny minority?

Okay, and

how

long has it been legal in Australia for homosexual couples to adopt children.

Wow, wow, that's pretty

horrifying obviously more than pretty horrifying.

It's mind -boggling.

How horrifying it is?

Um.

Well, the the thing that always amazes me is How you

have not only homosexual rights advocates advocates on the left

But you have many feminists on the left.

I don't want to broad brush all feminists because not all feminists are

homosexual rights activists.

But the vast majority of them are or the vast majority of activists who are feminists are

you do even have Evangelical Christian women who identify themselves with the feminist movement so

that that would not necessarily include them.

But The thing is that you would wonder at least

privately how many of these feminists really react to

When you have two men Raising a child together as allegedly a married couple or

just as a couple To think that it is really not all that

important that a woman is Absent from the raising of that child.

You would think that there would be feminists in an uproar Having women viewed that way

obviously it's not going to be that case when you have a lesbian couple raising children, but when two

men or two or more men are raising a child or children you would think

that Feminists would be more upset about that.

Have you heard anything from feminists about this?

Where their role as women is being diminished in its importance in the raising of children?

Could you please provide some more of the statistical information that you provide in your book because I want to make

sure That as many things of importance that you uniquely as a physician

Have become aware of in regard to this whole subject is made Public

during our program today since it's not often I have someone in the medical field Taking

a public stance in favor of a biblical understanding of this issue on the show.

Yeah.

Yeah,

I'm

looking

forward

to

getting

a

copy

of

the

book

myself.

We do have a listener in Slovenia Joe in Slovenia who says dear brother

Chris I thank God for your global ministry.

In a time in which the church worldwide is in need is In great need of recovering and reclaiming the

Reformation.

Recently on your show pastor Tim Bailey Traced the current homosexual agenda

eroding u .s. Society as having resulted from the travesty of.

Ramped.

Heterosexual fornication adultery and divorce in the Evangelical churches that was not

checked by church leadership in the 50s 60s and 70s.

His point was that we have no moral or biblical integrity or clout to

address homosexuality Scripturally in society now because we did not discipline

our own.

Then please ask brother David If the situation is in Australia

is similar if so, how if not, why not?

Thank you so much for being willing to for being willing to honestly hold the mirror of God's Word up

to the church and Help her take the look she needs to see the corrections that are

necessary.

So basically our listener in Sylvania is saying that the church was letting

By and large, of course, this is not true everywhere not in every denomination or every congregation but because of the

fact that there was a very large segment of professing Christianity that

was allowing heterosexuals to get away with their own sin

unchecked and undisciplined by Elders in local congregations and denominations

that the heterosexual Element of the church had no right to point

fingers if it were as it were To those involved with homosexuality.

So and he was wondering if you have the same situation in your opinion in

Australia that resulted in the the large number of

Homosexuals making decisions in your in your country or at least homosexual advocates.

One thing is for certain and of course the leftists don't want to admit this.

But.

This could be categorized as nothing less than an experiment.

With children as the guinea pigs when you are taking children and placing

them in what even possibly may be a dangerous situation

you are quite blatantly just Experimenting with the lives

of these children because the feelings of those involved

with homosexual activity are more important than the minds

and the physical lives and the souls of children in the minds of these

leftists whether they are homosexuals themselves or whether they are

heterosexual advocates of homosexuality.

This is all just a Test an experiment, isn't it?

This is.

Yeah,

what

I

was about to say is that it's very interesting that you are already in history.

Having these kinds of very negative and frightening statistical

Documentation arising as a result of children being home raised in

homes where there is same -sex parenting and

This is still relatively new.

Can you imagine if this is already occurring what the statistics will be in a decade or two

decades or three decades?

Well doctor I know that.

That you dr. Van Gendt have only enough time to be on with us for the first hour.

So I'd like you right now to have at least three minutes of uninterrupted time To summarize what

you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today in regard to Stealing from a child the

injustice of marriage equality.

By

the

way

before

you

go.

Dr. Van Gendt, I wanted you to just answer one question before you left.

Have you experienced any backlash from?

Citizens.

Private citizens who are involved in either homosexuality themselves or their advocates of that behavior

who have had any kind of negative Impact

upon you such as threats of violence vandalism anything of that nature.

That

would be

Connor

court.

You

mean

right,

right.

Well, I want to let our listeners know that your blog can be found at David van Gendt calm.

That's D a V ID V a n G End calm

and if you want to explore Connor court publishing.

Their website is Connor court publishing calm and Connor is spelt co n n o r

court co u r t publishing calm and that's especially for those of our

listeners in Australia because we do have a number of them and Of course as our guest has stated

already you can for those of you in America and other places outside of Australia.

You can order the book From Amazon either in hardcopy or on Kindle.

And I hope to have you back on the program very soon.

Dr. Van Gendt.

Thank you very much for being on the program today.

And we are going to a break right now if anybody would like to join us with a question for Scott

Clements.

Who is remaining on the air with us for the for the final hour?

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Well now we are finally back to our guest Scott Clements

and Scott Clements is an Australian lay preacher and a church planter at Kuma Reform Bible

Church in New South Wales Australia we are continuing the theme of stealing from

a child the injustice of marriage equality and this is particularly

Involving the the issue of homosexuality in Australia since that's where my guest is

from and Scott it's great to have you back and you are our sole guest for the final

hour.

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Designated website.

Great.

Well as a minister we had our first guest your friend.

Dr David van Gendt speaking as a family doctor and physician about the issue of

homosexuality and about the Severe damage it does to the

family structure to Children specifically and to society at large.

As a pastor Tell us something about the challenges you see

speaking publicly.

With an unwavering commitment to the scriptures in regard to the sin known as homosexuality.

Do you see yourself?

Facing in the near future perhaps this becoming illegal in Australia to even speak against this in a

church or what are your what are your Experiences in regard to this subject.

Well, I don't see into the future.

But what what do I think is going to happen?

I think the first attempt at legislating this as a result of the referendum we held

Will attempt to in some way preserve some rights for churches and some freedom of

speech for ministers as you do in America

and in Australia, that's the coalition between the Australian

Labour Party and the Greens and sooner or later they will win power

again in our in our national legislature and They I am certain

to severely curtail.

We enjoy.

You know, they've made no secret of the fact that they hold us in in content.

They've made no secret of the fact that as far as they're concerned We have the right to be silent.

And if we want to give our opinion we must first wait until they have given us what our opinion should be before we express Their

opinion on their behalf.

That's pretty disturbing.

Do you have anything further to add to what dr. Van Gendt said about.

The.

Threats of violence or the vandalism or anything that that

the homosexual activist community Is doing and of course, I hate to

use that term community in attachment to that.

But the homosexual activists whether they be themselves involved in that behavior, or they are merely

Celebrating that immoral and Satanic and unnatural lifestyle or

death style.

Has there been any significant repercussions as Dr. Van Gendt has

experienced with death threats and vandalism as this happened with churches in any large measure.

One church in particular a Baptist Church in Victoria was defaced quite heavily with graffiti

which even went so far as to say suggest that

and that graffiti had a Had set up as

though it were an equation had the outline of a cross the equal

sign and then the Nazi symbol.

I'm sure there have been others.

That's the only one that managed to get a report into the national news.

I'm sure there have been others that haven't now.

Going back to even the reports that that dr. Van Gendt Mentioned about his own practice being

vandalized and death threats.

Did any of that make mainstream media in Australia?

Not mainstream media.

No, not at all.

It was as far as I can see it was reported in his he's in Queensland.

And I won't I won't go any more specific than that.

He practices and resides in the state of Queensland and it certainly made his local newspapers.

Where in a in a rural major center.

He's a man of some profile a doctor in a doctor in a country town in Australia.

Even a large country town as I'm sure in America is a man with some local profile and it certainly got coverage in his

local Local papers, but no, it didn't get national exposure.

Well, I'm glad at least the local.

Community local paper I should say did report on it.

I don't know if you're familiar with a Book that became very well known here in the United States

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Chuck McElhaney.

Who was the pastor of the first?

Orthodox Presbyterian Church of San Francisco California.

Actually, believe it or not My current landlord was a predecessor

in the ministry at that very same congregation he was the pastor there before Chuck McElhaney, but Chuck

McElhaney and the elders of that church had to Put under discipline

the church organist who they they found out was a practicing homosexual unrepentant

Homosexual and when he refused to repent they had to not only Terminate

him from his position, but excommunicate him as well and the homosexual activists

in the community unleashed their fury on that church and

Actually set the parsonage on fire while pastor McElhaney and his wife and children were

asleep in their beds.

So this was actually a an attempt of murder in addition to arson and vandalism.

And the local papers or local TV or radio stations

Said nothing about this.

So in in one sense you have dr. Van Gend Having

a superior response from at least a local newspaper there where he lives.

Uh.

We're gonna be going to a very brief and final station break but when we return I really want you

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Scott Clements and Scott Clements.

As many of you already know from listening to today's program Is

a an Australian lay preacher and a church planter of the Kuma Reform Bible Church

in New South Wales Australia we are continuing the topic that we began in our first hour stealing

from a child the injustice of marriage equality and

Before we have you go through some biblical warnings and also some biblical words of

hope for those involved in that wicked activity known as

homosexuality Unnatural activity.

We do have a listener in White Plains, New York RJ who says

Since you are involved and some of the preaching if not all of it at the Kuma Reform

Bible Church How do you handle the situation or the subject of

homosexuality in?

Regard to preaching from the pulpit against this behavior.

Knowing that you have children in your audience.

By the grace

of God scripture, you can certainly talk about these things without

needing to go.

Um, I would have sermons on sermon audio.

You would see that our number one downloaded sermon is called the marriage debate.

Which is a sermon that addresses this issue particularly it came from a series from the Gospel of Mark a few years

back and I think it was in Mark chapter 10 where Jesus

concerning which was from the beginning between a man and

a woman and and so as I applied in that sermon as I applied the

passage I applied it to current issues and Obviously the question of same -sex marriage was a

very current issue so you could certainly download that sermon and have a listen to it and

I feel free to download any of them that you like from outside.

That's for sure and any that come from sermon audio at all.

Well, you don't have to go into graphic and lurid details, but you do have to

speak want

to shock people.

You don't want to speak just for the I mean scripture is

very clear and very particular about this scene as it is about many Other things, you know the phrase

in the war if a man lies with a man as with a woman.

Makes it pretty clear exactly what's going on and that's that says enough doesn't it?

Yes, it does.

And we have one more that'll go to right now before I let you open up the Word of God with specific

biblical warnings and and messages of hope we have.

Let's see here.

We have Harrison in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania.

Who says I have heard it often repeated even by the most conservative?

Christian opponents of homosexuality.

That you can bet there is someone in your congregation who has same -sex

attraction.

Difficulties.

My question is in regard to this.

Do you really believe that it is that widespread?

And are we not just giving in to the statistics given by the left who want

to Convey the notion that there are a lot more people involved in homosexuality

than we would care to believe and Therefore we are perpetuating a

lie that they want to perpetuate.

Yeah, I understand.

I understand what he's saying because I've heard that from Guests that I've had on this program from people that I respect and

that they are not saying these things in any way to advocate advocate

Homosexuality or promote it or Tolerate it or anything like that.

They're just saying That we should be aware that the likelihood is that there are people who

struggle with that Sin in our midst wherever we may be.

But is it really really that common in your opinion anyway.

In my opinion, I don't trust any of the statistics I do

visibly independent surveys come up with whatever result the person who's paying for the survey

or the Organization that he's paying for the survey desire.

If you want a survey that proves that same -sex attraction is, you know in more than 10

Has a prevalency of more than 10 of the general population.

They'll design the survey to get the answers you want and they will balance out the statistics to make sure that the numbers they

show You support what you desire to get.

I have absolutely no trust in any of these things.

Whatsoever with regards to whether or not there are

big congregation struggling with issues of same -sex attraction I would say there are

certainly people in every congregation struggling with issues of sexual lust,

you know.

We're tempted to isolate it off as though it's a problem up on a phone.

What about the husband who's watching porn?

What about the wife who's attracted different man?

What about the teenager who's?

Filling his head or her head with evil nonsense that they're downloading from the Internet

with unbridled sexuality is actually a problem throughout our society and

Unfortunately because we live in the church and because in so many instances today the

church is a hard line in the sand Concerning this issue.

We've been Psychology of

this reality.

I would not be surprising

unless you're in a passage

that really points towards.

You've just got to assume that within in front of you in your congregation will be any number of people

Struggling with the issue of unclean sexual desires, whether they be.

Okay, and just to add something to that we've Brought this up or I've brought it up almost

every occasion that we talk about this particular sin.

I.

Just want to make sure that no one has a An incorrect assumption by

something that you just said.

There is something unique about homosexuality there are a lot of Professing Christians and a lot of

people who truly are Christians and even conservative evangelical who will say.

That.

Basically, you know We we shouldn't be looking down on those

Involved in homosexual activity as if they are inferior to

Heterosexuals because heterosexual sin outside of marriage heterosexual active

activity Outside of marriage is damning as well.

And therefore we shouldn't be on a high horse Just because we are involved in

a sin involving heterosexuality Rather than homosexuality now that that is true to an

extent but but isn't there something unique about this sin?

That is unnatural.

I mean, it's called an abomination.

It is not.

It is not on the equal playing field if you will as Heterosexuality, which is actually

a Gift of God when used in the confines of marriage, right?

Oh.

Look, I agree.

I mean, what is the nature of it?

And why is it such a destructive sin.

And the answer is you go back to creation and there you see that male and female God made them.

You look throughout all the kingdom of night of all of nature and you see that male and female God made

them.

My wife and I you know, there's a particular road.

We drive along here me home and there's a particular type of Australian bird.

But nest in the trees that are hanging over that road and every time we see two birds in

that nest I always say to my wife or she will say to me.

I'll bet you that's a male and a female.

I'll say yeah, it surely is, you know, two males don't make a nest and two females don't make a nest.

It's a male.

And into his creation order maleness and

Femininity a male and a female and that is part of his whole structure of society and

the actual Physiological design of humanity points out and makes it perfectly obvious that a

man is suited to a woman.

You know, you don't have to be any kind of genius.

You don't have to have done five years of medical school to understand that a man and a woman fit together.

You know, the marriage is not just a spiritual marriage.

It's not just an emotional marriage.

It's a physical marriage.

We're made for each other.

Obviously the thing of homosexuality is an

arts created order.

It's it's a complete rejection of God's authority over humanity.

And I understand that and I wasn't trying to downplay it, but I'm just afraid.

Right.

I'm afraid of singling out one person in a in a in a or one type of scene as if to say This

is the thing that will take you to hell.

All things will take you to hell.

Homosexuality homosexuality will take you to hell.

Lying will take you they will take you to hell.

Everything that God thing that

God says is a thing is worthy of the death pen.

More destructive

sexuality shows all the evidence of being that type of thing.

Are they more destructive to the people immediately around those who commit those things?

Yes to all who look

upon it and approve of it.

Not only those who put the abomination and I would not back away from what

scripture says.

Not even one right because unfortunately you have in the church

even in many evangelical churches this idea that well

if a man or a woman are Heterosexuals and they are not married.

They are forced to remain chaste Inactive

sexually both in thought and physical behavior and

Therefore somebody who is Has a proclivity towards same

-sex attraction should be identified

as a person who is gay quote -quote but

chaste if they are a part of the church if they are

Not married to somebody of the opposite sex.

They too are just members of the church that are to be chaste

but but are not to be Warned that even their

proclivity that their proclivity is Unnatural and wicked that is

not true.

I mean heterosexual.

It is a different situation when you have chaste heterosexual struggling with that sin

Of desire and lust.

Then somebody who has an unnatural desire.

They are two different things, aren't they?

I think I would agree with that.

What we a Sad part of what's happening is so

many in the church are denying the power of the gospel to actually change a person's nature.

To truly change a person's desire.

Amen.

I'm thinking of but I'm thinking of 1st Corinthians Chapter 6 and verse

11 where Paul says.

And such were.

Some of you amen such were some of you but you were washed.

You were justified in the name the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God in that list of the ones who

were.

There's do not what does he say?

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Do not be deceived neither the sexually immoral nor Idolaters nor adulterers nor men who practice homosexuality.

Nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor revilers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God and

such.

Were some of you happen to those people he's saying you have

examples of people in that Congregation on a time

this particular thing you were once upon a time that thing.

But you are now not that thing what's made the change and the changes.

You were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

And by the Spirit of our God you were washed you were Sanctified you were set

apart.

You were made different.

We must encourage people to pursue true and deep Sanctification.

It's no good saying look you've got the thing.

You've got the thing just deal with it.

Yeah, I understand.

I've spent my whole Christian life struggling and battling against my own flesh against my

own sin.

But I can also honestly and truly say in the Lord Jesus Christ that

God has given me victory.

My failings are my own fault by

nature.

I hate the things that used to dominate my life and they no longer rule.

Amen.

And and once again, I want to make it clear that I'm not saying That there aren't

genuinely born -again people who have a same -sex attraction problem.

But what I am saying is that I am very opposed to this idea that these

individuals are to wave the white flag as if they are confined

forever to this Mindset in this proclivity and that they are just

to focus on remaining chaste, but not thinking at all

about being transformed and being Rescued out of even that proclivity.

As I said, my Christian life is a battle.

The truth is the things that were my strongest temptation before I was born again.

In my moments of weakness, they are still my strongest temptation.

And you desire

praise God for that.

Heard it from a background of Homosexuality that the

strongest temptation that they will fight with for the rest of their Christian life will be the temptation that's

born in their own memory banks.

In other words, we remember the sins we once committed and Our opponent the

devil the evil one is very up those memories in the

end.

What what we're talking about is a fight for your own mind a fight for the control of your own desires.

This freedom has been defined as freedom to sin.

But you don't really have freedom to sin.

When you're sinning you're being ruled by your desires.

You know people say I identify as gay.

I'll be what they're telling me my desires give me

my identity.

My desires make me who I am.

No, my friend in Christ.

You are a creation in the image of God.

To the desire of.

And female.

Yes, you're going to have to fight with Steve.

Yeah, they're nice and we're going to have to repent of many things.

Sometimes many times over it took me years to get what I

would claim to be

Desire from that.

Amen.

Well, I want you to have about three minutes or so of uninterrupted time just to unburden your heart.

Or in regard to this subject and leave our audience with you what you most want etched in their hearts and minds on this matter.

Okay I would want to sum up many of the things I've already said.

Malin created us with a purpose and he put one man and one

woman in the garden.

This is still the ideal for human relationships.

The ideal for human relationship is not.

A.

Form of relationship that denies the created order and structure that God has built into

Humanity, it's

you know, it's amazing thing.

Careful.

You shall not commit is the nature of

creation.

Don't be ruled by your sins.

Don't be ruled by your desires.

Your identity is not what you want.

Your identity is who you are.

And though you'd be a sinner and though you'd be lost in your

dark and hideous Place at this moment in your life.

Think

of God

to repent and put your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ

to come.

Be

honest about this and to any Christian who is struggling with the issue of sin I would say this.

I've seen so many Christians who in their prayer life and in their struggles with sin Do

not actually come to the God and get Particular about what the proper

general a general repentance is good.

Oh Lord, forgive me my sins.

But my friends I advise you come into the very present killer about it

into God and get very particular about the

things that you

are

guilty

of on

the way

to get

a man and.

One last thing about the comments that were made earlier by Dr.

Van Gendt, he is a medical doctor knows that there is zero evidence

that a person can be born a homosexual.

But having said that even if somebody is convinced of that mentally that they were born that way because they

have no memory Going back to their earliest days of childhood that did not

include some kind of homosexual desire So they are convinced they were born that way even if one

were to somehow Prove that that is true.

That still doesn't give a person a license to be involved in that behavior because

According to all of us who are theologically reformed We are all born totally depraved and and that

does not give us a license to To act upon all of our evil proclivities

and thoughts and desires just because we were born in sin.

Am I right?

Absolutely.

I don't have a good enough memory or my memory doesn't go back far enough to remember the first time I lied.

But I'm certain that no one gave me lessons in it.

Came from my mouth.

It came from my mouth very easily.

So can I say therefore, you know what?

I was a lot.

I remain a liar all my life or that you shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

But I'm

guilty before God because I've been a liar and speak his forgiveness.

Just that that scene

is your identity and that it can never be changed and that you Can never be anything else other than

the sinner that you were born to be.

Amen, and we are out of time brother and I want our listeners to be reminded that they can go to sermon

audio comm and type in the search engine C o o m a

kuma and you will come up with kuma reform Bible Church.

And also there is a website that you wanted our listeners to be aware of Oz

reform Baptists, that's Oz reform Baptist org.

Thank you so much brother.

And we look forward to your return to iron sharpens iron radio.

I want everybody to always remember for the rest of their lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you

are a sinner.