Should You Love The Church? - Church Discipline (part 2)

Father in heaven, we're thankful to be here this morning. I even am coming on the heels of Thanksgiving Think of all the things that we had to be thankful for Father, I just pray that these things these things that we count the material the physical things

That we would In our minds that they would pale in comparison to the riches that we have in Christ Jesus Lord I pray for their our time this morning that you would bless as we look to your word what you've said about our

About the church your church and father how we ought to view it How we ought to view ourselves fitting into it

Lord, I just pray that you bless this time in Christ's name. Amen well Ron D.

Filippo gave me this and I and I thought this was a good way to start the class here today Fight that Sunday morning hangover with spirituality

This is from the Metro paper here talks about interviewing

Oprah and Here here she says the author says sitting next to Oprah for this hour -long interview

I was able to understand the magnitude of her mission. I experienced firsthand how lit up she becomes when she's talking about spirituality and God Oprah is on a mat on a mission to wake up the masses to their inner strength and power hmm

She concludes the article this way. You can create your own super soul Sunday by spending time in stillness

Taking time for stillness allows you to tap into your soul Turn off your phone and linger just a little bit longer in your bed

Drink your morning tea and tune into yourself rather than jumping into the next task

Later have some friends over to watch the episode of Oprah and discuss it. Isn't that wonderful?

Today's religion is what? It's all about yourself worship yourself.

You know what? Here's the problem. You don't spend enough time tapping into your soul How I think you spend plenty of time tapping into your soul.

That's Part of the problem, but the church is you know, here's a unique thought, you know, typically what do we think about when we think of?

the church In other words, if I'm if I'm well, let's step back a second.

Let's say you're outside of the church You're just a regular pagan.

What do you think of as the church? What's that the building

Okay, but more than that What about the people who go to a church? hypocrites

What else? Fanatics let's put it this way.

Would you if we were gonna frame it this way? Modern old -fashioned which one traditional or forward thinking and here's the truth though, what is the church actually the church is cultural or Countercultural we are countercultural

We're not I don't even like to think of it as being traditional old -fashioned any of those things because that's really not the case

The case is we are or the truth is we are the called -out ones those who are called to live according to God's standards not the world's standards

We're not called to live You know the world according to Oprah here where we just the biggest problem in America is we just need to take more time to tap into our own souls wrong wrong wrong

We began talking about again another counter cultural principle We've been talking about the the principles that you ought to be looking for in a church

We didn't get very far last time talking about church discipline seem to Bring out some questions and I have now and I found this

I'm gonna have maybe Tracy tidy this up because it came out all kind of Goofy looking because I just cut and pasted it from the internet, but how about this

I actually have and If you were closer, you could see it a flowchart dealing with Church discipline which

I thought was pretty it actually is pretty good now I could make a really bad flowchart about church discipline, but this is a good one

So I mean we'll hand that out next week and that'll give out some even more questions But let's go to Matthew 18 just to kind of remind us where we are verses 15 to 17

You know, it was interesting as I I did a Google search because I thought I'd be really clever It's a problem with me.

I try to be clever and I thought I'd find a church that said, you know boldly We don't practice church discipline.

We think church discipline is terrible and When I googled it all that came up were all the churches all the reasons that you should do church discipline

So I thought well, I don't know what that says about Google search engine But or maybe just churches don't want to advertise the fact that they don't care about sin or holiness or anything else but I guess

I could find it like in a you you church or something like that. But anyway, Matthew 18 verses 15 to 17 and I'll read that And if your brother sins

Go and reprove him in private if he listens to you you have won your brother but if he does not listen to you take

One or two more with you so that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every fact may be confirmed and if he refuses to listen to them tell it to the church and if he refuses to Listen even to the church

Let him do be to you as a Gentile and a tax gatherer and by the way this church discipline flowchart here

Lays out basically the steps of church discipline and at any point that the person repents that you're going to talk to It has a little box over here on the side.

It says you have served your brother and won him That's the whole point

You know people talk about You know church discipline is judgmental. It's demeaning.

It's all these things. Well, it's really for the good of the person we're not out to We're not out to kind of get them

It's the whole the whole idea is to get them to repent to get them to change their mind to get them to stop sinning so We talked about it last week people want to know you know what are a list of sins that we would church discipline for Which I thought

I thought that was kind of interesting You know I I didn't know if maybe that was so that you could know what since to avoid

You know These are the church approved sins I have pastoral authority to sin in this area

I mean, what do you think about that? I mean, it's kind of funny, but what why would we think that there are?

Some sins that maybe church discipline shouldn't be exercised for Bruce Sexual immorality is the one that's most common not that it's super common, but it's caught the most common and Let's just kind of Take that just a little further.

Why do you suppose that? Sexual sin is so frequently the one that is not repented of Bruce it's just me and Bruce It's strong.

It's a strong bondage. Yes, and it's and it is difficult to escape from and I think You know the other side of it is let's put it this way if you're writing

Checks, and they're bouncing constantly at the bank and somebody comes to you and says you know what you need to stop bouncing checks There's no emotional attachment there, right?

but if you were in caught up in infidelity there is that Somewhat of an emotional attachment.

There's something that is That is drawing you back to that again and again, and I think it is

Like Bruce was saying you know a sin that just tends to ensnare to enslave Were there any other thoughts about last week some of the things that we talked about or some of the

Sins that I mean are there sins that you want to know if we would is there any confession that needs to go on here?

No, I'm kidding any Because it just seemed like there were a lot of questions

But we talked about you know, what are some of the objections to a church discipline and And I think you know the bottom line is

I I don't know if you remember this there was a church in Florida that Where a woman was eventually disciplined out of the church, and she sued the church

You know and what was her objection? Anybody remember that case at all her objection was that her name was defamed she was embarrassed

You know it's kind of embarrassing to have your your name read out from the pulpit, right? To have the pastor say you know what everybody needs to go after this person.

What do you think about that idea? You know we don't exercise church discipline because it's embarrassing We don't want anybody to feel ashamed.

You should have thought of that before you said or When else you should you have thought about it? Yeah, you've had a couple warnings already the first person came to you, and you said yeah

Then he or she went got one or two witnesses came back to you, and you said yeah

And now you're gonna get mad because they're following the precepts of the Bible. They've told you they said look you need to repent or you

Know so you've hardened your heart, and now you're gonna get mad because your name got read Bruce, but Well, that's true right.

I mean she was on the TV and everything else but But think about what that says

Who takes her side right away The world the media why because they just go look at those fundamentalist

Judgmental Christians, how dare they defame this poor woman all she did was you know whatever?

All she did was what everybody else would do What are they making a big deal out of it, and that's why

I say it's countercultural it goes against the grain If we think about the idea of the church being the called -out ones

We're to be held to a different standard. We should expect that a person who claims to be a

Christian Should actually want To be held to a different standard, and you know again

I think the way it was portrayed was it was this woman against the church, but what's the truth?

She didn't sin against the church she sinned against Against God against the

Lord of the church, so it's just it's it's wrong from all that so people don't like it because it's embarrassing

How about this one? You know well church discipline isn't very loving we talked about that last week.

What about that idea? Charlie Okay, it's loving for the rest of the faithful Sheep in the church why?

Yeah, Peggy says it's loving for that person Right the one who's in sin because you want to bring that to their attention you want them to repent

But why is it loving for the church as a whole? Exactly Carmen says you know you see the example, and you you want to know that I mean, it's like you're to use a

Example that we're all familiar with You know if you have children if you've ever had children

If the first one gets away with something and then the second one does it you you know take the second child out for discipline

What are what are what is he or she going to say? Yeah, well they get to do it.

You know understand My brother used to say that all the time Steve used to Charlie yeah, it's loving to get a corrupting influence out of the church a little leaven

I mean, you know it's like I once my wife obviously is a very good cook and she she made

It's this no -bake cheesecake that I really like and this was when we were in California And you know

I was up. I don't know Watching sports or doing something stupid, or I don't even know if I was

I don't remember exactly when this was all I remember is what happened next? Because there was one piece of cheesecake

Left in the refrigerator just one little piece, and I thought well that's been there for a while.

I'm sure nobody's gonna miss it So I started eating it, and then

I realized it had been there a little bit too long Because I'd taken about I don't know seven or eight bites and all of a sudden

I came across a little bit of mold It was just a little bit of mold I spent the rest of the night so sick

And I was downstairs everybody's sleeping upstairs when I go I could die down here from dehydration nobody's ever gonna know

I didn't have the strength to get back up, and then I thought wait a minute. I think we have some kind of Hydrating fluid in there, so once all that all the nonsense stopped.

You know I had a little bit of that and I Managed to hang on till the morning so But just a little bit.

I mean, that's how it is right we think well That's not that big of a deal, or it is that big of a deal

Because it's it's like gangrene. It's like mold. It's an infection, and it needs to be excised it needs to be cut out and It notice it's not the person that needs to get cut out it is what?

The sin it's the sin So when we say about you know it's not loving it's embarrassing

Ultimately we every church should ask themselves this question Who is it that we're most concerned about offending it should be

God? Should be Christ let's just open to Ephesians 5 for a moment

I've just been thinking about this, and I mean there's so much That could be said just even thinking about Ephesians 4 you know

Just if we if you were gonna summarize Ephesians 4 what would you say about it? Especially you know the second half of it.

He he just talks about You know if you used to steal then don't steal anymore if you used to do this don't do it anymore

You know it's just talking about a transformed life It's talking about the the changes that have taken place when we come to Ephesians chapter 5

Talks a bit again about how we should live and all this and I just love you know I've mentioned this before but I love

Ephesians 5 because I Love to come to the part where you know wives should submit and everything to their husbands

I love to say that in a wedding and just kind of watch all the women's faces You know knowing that there are a lot of unbelievers out there, and just watch them go.

You know like wait Oh, this is over pal. We're gonna you know Knock you under the ground, but then

I get to this part Ephesians 5 25 Husbands love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her and I say ladies

You know what if your husband is Willing to lay down his life metaphorically speaking or an actual fact for you

It's a lot easier to submit yourself to him But look at the next part that he might sanctify her having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word

So that with the purpose of he might present the church to himself in splendor

Without spot or wrinkle or any such thing that she might be holy and without blemish

Now what does that imply about? the church apart from the work of Christ That she would have spots and blemishes

He lays down his life gives us the word and all that so what so that the church won't have

Spot or blemish that's the whole point so when we talk about you know it's not that big of a deal or What are they doing that for?

It's because our view of the church is wrong Christ himself is sanctifying the church.

He wants a bride without spot or blemish or any such thing Now let's talk again

Some of this is going to be recapped some of this is going to be new I stole this from Bill Zimmer used to be an elder at Grace Community Church the purposes of church discipline and he writes purposes purposes of church discipline slash

Restoration because that's the goal, right? And his first purpose is to glorify

God by obedience to his instructions Any church that says well, you know

Matthew 18 is all well and good, but Whatever the bud is

Says I don't we don't hear care about glorifying God by obeying him so that would be number one

We just talked about maintaining the purity of the church and how about this one to vindicate the

Integrity and honor of Christ in his religion by exhibiting fidelity to his principles

What does it say? Like in the case in Florida, what does it say to the world?

Well, they think it's horrible, but if they understood the purpose is not to embarrass the woman

But to obey Christ to obey his word It says something it should say something to the world about how serious the church is about what about holiness

About holiness. This is a place where people go because they want to honor the Lord. They want to obey his principles

What would it say? You know, what does it say to the church worthy? You just go This is a place where you can go and we just take you as you are

We don't expect you to change at all. And you know what if couples you know somehow they get divorced and All that we don't care and you you know

You are now married to him and he's married to you and did it you know, and everybody just kind of switches spouses

We don't really care. That's fine we don't really care what's going on with regard to whether you pay your bills and Any of these kind of things we just don't care

We don't care about the reputation of the people in the community. We don't care. Well, what does that say about the church?

This is a place where God's Word is not honored and the people are not serious about sin and they have

They're just like the world And we don't want to do that but then he notes that the purpose of church discipline is to Reclaim offenders and we talked a little bit about that in Matthew 18, but let's look at first Corinthians 5 1st

Corinthians 5 and Who would read?

I want to make sure I get the right verses here versus Okay, let's read verses 3 to 5 1st

Corinthians 5 verses 3 to 5 will okay.

Now this man was the one who was Carrying on a relationship with his stepmother and Paul Says there he says, you know, just love him just accept him as he is

No You are to deliver this man to Satan kick him out of the church Why?

Ultimately for the salvation of a spirit you want him to be exposed to the world He doesn't belong in the assembly of the church.

He doesn't belong in the protection of the church He belongs out there in the cold cruel world

With the hope that of course he will be reclaimed that he will repent let's look at Galatians 6 and Versus I'm not sure if we need more than just verse 1 so I'll just read that Galatians chapter 6

Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness

Keep watch on yourself Lest you to be tempted already verse 2 as well bear one another's burdens and so fulfill the law of Christ Again notice what the goal is

Somebody's ensnared in sin The goal is not to shame them.

The goal is not to ridicule them

To be mean to them. The goal is to restore them. It's what we always want to do now.

There's another Purpose and we've already mentioned that is to deter others from sin 1st

Timothy chapter 5 when it talks about how to confront elders who are in sin and It concludes with this that you know, if they won't repent ultimately, then what do you do you?

Announce it to the congregation Why and it says this so that those who continue in sin?

Rebuke in the presence of all so that the rest may also be fearful of sinning What should be when you recognize because we all do this we all recognize that we sin and what should be our first response repentance confessing

Confessing to God right and then turning away from it if that doesn't happen if In your own mind you commit a sin and you just and the alarm doesn't go off.

What does that tell you? What should it tell you you may not be saved?

Is that shocking you may not be saved I Just did something that's absolutely horrible and I feel good about it or I'm completely immune to any sense of guilt about it

You've seared your conscience Somehow or another and maybe it's you know, lack of time in the word lack of fellowship with the

Saints. I mean, you know here just think about this, I mean I Have a great affinity for Southern people people from the

South but you know, there's this concept that everybody down there is a Christian and So what it what is the focus, you know

Friday night? You gamble Saturday night you drink and you have a hangover on Sunday morning and you drag yourself into church and you're a

Christian Why because they've habitually taught themselves that all that really matters

Is to go on Sunday morning and sing amazing grace and Jesus loves me this I know And then the rest of the week is yours to do whatever you want

With all apologies to true believers in the South, but there's you know I mean the difference between the

Mindset of most people here in New England and most people in the South is in the South Everybody presumes they're a

Christian in the North everybody, you know mocks the idea of Christianity, but in the South they just think it's a it's a

You know, it's a soft Christianity. It's a nice Christianity But those who sin rebuke in the presence of all so that the rest may also be fearful of sinning

Okay says again the the goal or this is made the goal is to have a pure church a church in which sin is not welcome especially in leadership

Now let's think about this for a minute, you know, people say well Do we have to get up there and name the person's name again just think about what's gone on before that happens

They've been confronted not once but twice and what we do here is after even after they've been confronted twice

Then we'll go and talk to him the elders will go talk to him and then we'll send him a letter we do everything we can to keep their name from Coming up before the church

So what about naming names what about that is that terrible Paul didn't seem to have a problem with it

Right, or how do you know how to who to go after if you don't stand up there and say, you know

I regret to tell you that we have to bring the name of so -and -so before you this morning and we have to name the sin

Why so that you both know who the person is what they've done so that you can go talk to them about it the idea is you know, it's like Well, I guess it's it's pretty accurate to use this in a law enforcement sense you'll have situations where One police officer is dispatched to a call and he can handle it problem solved

Sometimes he can't handle it. I mean, I remember one time we we went to a 415 e call which is a loud party call and we knock on the door and the door opened and I went in there with my companion male five four 135 pounds we went in there and and this guy comes up to us and he was obviously drunk and He was obviously huge.

I mean he was just muscular and everything and he says you guys can't come in here and then

Kind of stereotypical cop way. I said, well, I think we just did well anyway, then

I think he may have pushed me Whatever the situation was and we my partner

I got into a wrestling match. Well, I should say With this guy, I would say I got into a wrestling match with this guy.

My partner got an e -ticket, right? He was you know all over the place But we eventually got this guy handcuffed and and then we were we were taking him outside and he was cooperative finally and Now his friends decide that they're going to take him away from us well

Which is which is the technical term for that is lynching lynching isn't what it's meant out to be that that's

There's a legal term for it that's lynching is taking a prisoner out of the custody of law enforcement so his friends were gonna try to do that and I'm like this is just you know, and this is back in the day where Ancient days where we didn't have a radio, you know like this we had to get back to our car

So we're like, you know doing this little dance to kind of get back to the car And then we get back there and our backup unit right around the corner

They were I'll just call it what it is. They were lazy They didn't they didn't want to respond.

So they were just kind of hanging out waiting for us to clear the call So then, you know,

I call for backup because these guys are trying to you know I mean, we're gonna wind up shooting somebody or whatever, you know and so then they come screaming up the

Street and these guys the other guys who are trying to lynch them take off and my point here is

Sometimes one person can handle it Sometimes two people can handle it and then sometimes you have to call for backup and that's what this is

This is essentially if the pastor gets up in the pulpit and says, you know, we regret to inform you

We have to tell you about this and who it is They're calling the posse

It's posse comet at us every one of you is law enforcement essentially Not none of the sense that you need to go beat him up or go arrest him or go throw the cuffs on him

But you need to go and confront him Everybody's involved. That's what it means when you become a member of a church

You are essentially raising your hand and saying, you know, okay if called upon I'm going to discharge that duty

Church membership is a serious thing. I mean it if I said to you, you know, okay Well, it may come down to giving you guys guns and badges.

You'd go. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Wait a minute That's pretty serious business Well, it is serious business

We don't give you guns and badges. All you have is the Bible the Holy Spirit and An obligation your brother or sister to go to them.

Is it fun? No No, but it's your responsibility

Bruce Okay.

Well Yeah, I mean, I I suppose it depends under what that the situation was that they left the church, you know, if you go to One of the elders if you come to one of the elders and we say yeah, we know about that You know, and maybe we won't say anything further maybe we don't agree with why they left the church, but it wasn't a matter of where we felt like We can or we should pursue it

So then that's that I mean there there been some there been some pretty incredible leavings

I Mean like the one where we just You know somebody was an officer the church has mailed in their keys

Yeah, we're done. You know, what do you do?

I don't know what the sin is other than you sure left stupidly, you know If leaving the church stupidly if I had a scripture for that Boy, we'd have a lot of church discipline

So, so what do you do Was there go ahead Charlie So so what do you do?

Well, I think I think it'd be fine to talk to a person if you wanted to but it probably better to just come to The one of the elders and say did you know so -and -so left the church?

So Charlie, well,

I think there's a lot of truth to that and I mean I've been sort of thinking about that recently. Anyway, you know as we see the number of people on food stamps and everything else go up, you know the number of Births outside of wedlock,

I think you know and I want to say in the african -american community. It's 70 % among Latinos It's 60 % among whites now.

It's like 35 40 percent or whatever, but you just think you know 50 years ago It was a shame

You know to do these kind of things and now it's just like oh, that's fine There's a government program to take care of that You know, that's no problem.

And that's the way it is, right? There's no shame in anything. There's no shame in Anything where there used to be shame

Associated with it. There's no shame and not working. There's no shame and you know being a 30 year old who says

They can't provide for whatever their particular need is, you know, I mean, whatever it is

That the government owes you. Let's see not just your education through High school, but they owe you a college education

They owe you I mean if you listen to both candidates in the last presidential debate, you know Basically the government needs to create a at least an environment where you can get a good job

The government the government the government the government the government, you know, the government is the solution for everything So what you say is correct because if we had a system where we didn't have so much of a government safety net

Then the most logical place to go would be to the church. Well if you want to take Sin Out of the equation if you want to take shame out of the equation

If you want to make it a completely no -fault society, then what do you do? You have to find that church somewhere else.

And so maybe the church is the state Separation of church and state except for when the state becomes the church

Yes Right and and and so if there's no there's no fiscal

Penalty to you anymore. There's no social stigma attached to being kicked out of the church Because you can just find some other so -called church that will accept you

Yeah, so I mean everything is everything is definitely changed I mean, you know should

Should people be permanently branded if they send no and again the goal is not to paint a scarlet letter on somebody

You know, whether it's the a of adultery or the you know W for won't work or whatever, you know, whatever it is.

The answer is no That's not the goal. The goal is to restore them. The goal is to get them to understand that they are in sin

And pray that the Spirit would bring that through their mind, but yeah, there's definitely been a shift I Mean a massive shifts is the first second third century, but even in the last, you know, a couple of hundred years

There's been a big change. And I mean if you want to see the future of The American Church, I think you can just look over in Europe and as the state grows the church

Diminishes in importance socially and for some people that's all churches. It's just a social place

So yeah, I think that's right Other questions true a great point

Jenny, I mean there there Generally speaking especially since most of the cases are

You know adultery for church discipline. There's there's somebody else involved in that and you know, they're still they're the ones who are hurting they're the ones who are

Really needing the church body to come alongside and I mean that's a difficult time and just imagine being in a church and Where you thought these things were going to be addressed and then they don't get addressed

You know your spouse is unfaithful to you They leave you or whatever and you say and you go to the church and they go.

Well, you know That's kind of a tough hill to go up Don't think we want to do that Just think of how everybody will view that.

Well, what do you think about the church? But even if the church does the right thing, it's still hard It's hard,

I mean it's it was a hard situation to begin with but yeah The church definitely needs to rally around the people that have been sinned against that's that's a good point to just carry this out about Church leadership.

We have a few minutes here if we look at first Timothy chapter 5 again

Verses 19 and 20 Do not receive an accusation against an elder except on the basis of two or three witnesses

Those who continue and sin rebuke in the presence of all so that the rest may also may be fearful of sinning when we think about elders

What why do you suppose that that this is even in there You know, is this a different standard really for?

church leadership What doesn't it say here it doesn't say that you can't, you know

If you know of an elder and sin, you can't go to them and confront them. It doesn't say that Right This is an instruction to the church about not taking an accusation

Against an elder except on the basis of two or three witnesses. It's the same process It's just saying that if so if one person comes forward don't take it on that basis

So that person needs to this is what we do. We say, you know, if you have something against Me because you'd never have anything against the other elders if you have something against me, you need to come to me and deal with it and if I'm Unreceptive to that if you don't think things are resolved then you can

Bring one of the other elders involved or get somebody else involved in it, but you ought to come to me first Why do you suppose that that's important?

Well, it's true, right? What did Jesus say go in or approve him in? private And this is the same principle here.

You need to go to them first. Why because otherwise, what do you do? You're out in the hallway during Sunday school saying, you know that pastor

Steve You're you're gossiping and you're really undermining the the leadership and that's not that's not ever the right thing to do

It's not the right thing to do in light of Matthew 18. It's not the right thing to do in light of first Timothy chapter 5

So I think it's basically the same standard But again, it illustrates the need for godly leadership.

How how is godly to leadership illustrated by this? passage here because if you go to them and Then they make it right with you then

Let me let me frame it another way Do you ever sin against somebody without knowing that you've sinned against them?

Yes So how much more if you're in front of people do you sometimes possibly sin against them?

It's easier a lot easier So then the right thing to do if you think you know, maybe

I said something you think well Steve frame that so there was all about me

Maybe I did you know But don't you think you ought to at least come to me first and say

Steve were you talking about me when you said that? I hope you would and and so the point is here that Elders have a lot of responsibility

They need to be held to a high standard But they also need to you need to follow the

Bible and do what it says and it may be hard but it needs to be done and If we're thinking rightly if we've sinned against you, even if we weren't aware of it, we want to make that right

We want to ask your forgiveness And that's why you know, one of the things you won't see us do at the annual church meetings

Anybody have any grievances against the church leadership? Yeah, I do how to start a riot without trying right

And again, I I think you know, it all comes back to this one point if you say Steve I think you've sinned against me and I say

No, I haven't and you're confident that I have and you bring a witness and we go through the same thing again

Well, then it needs to it needs to be eventually go to a public level. Why because I won't repent

But those are the right things to do It's the right thing to the wrong thing to do is what the easy, you know, it's amazing the easiest thing to do 99 % of the time is

The wrong thing to do the easy thing to do is I'm not happy with Steve.

I'm not happy with Pradeep. I'm not happy with Harry. I'm not happy with Scott I'm not happy with Mike. So I'm going to Go talk to somebody else about it.

I can't I can't find it in myself to cover that sin So I'm going to gossip about it.

I'm going to be the sin multiplier the sin amplifier Let's play that song and the note of sin or the in the key of sin

Crank that thing up to 11. Mm -hmm. If we want if our desire is to see the body of Christ purified

To be what Jesus said without spot or blemish. We need to look at what the

Bible says and act that way if we see somebody in sin that we need to do the right thing, even though it's hard and If we love the church like Christ loved the church, then we will do the hard things

He died for the church And yet we're not willing to kind of cinch our belt up and go and confront somebody in sin.

Why is that? Let's pray Father in heaven.

This is it is a difficult thing We think of ourselves we think of our own sin we think of just being nervous to to talk to somebody about what they

Did wrong how they've offended us how they've grieved us, but father you've provided this procedure

Not because it's easy but because it's right and because it builds up the unity of the body When we do things your way

There's purity. There's unity. There's love Father let us love our brother or sister enough to do the right thing.