The Pope, the Red Pill, the Muslims, and John Piper

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Greetings welcome to the dividing line. My name is James white. We have so much to talk about today I don't even know if I can remember all of it something tells me

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I'm going to forget some of it somewhere along the way But I wanted to start off with an explanation of my tie

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Haven't seen one of these for a while. I'm sure and Some of you are too young to actually recognize this particular tie for those of you who are wondering

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Yes, there is a gold chain on the back. So that tells you What this

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What this is this a Rush Limbaugh tie now I I Wore Rush Limbaugh ties from whenever it was he started making him.

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I think in the early 90s Yeah somewhere around that time period

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They are Obviously they are two ties what

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Coogee's are two sweaters They are amazingly bright You can tell a

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Limbaugh tie from well actually you can tell a Limbaugh tie from at least 40 yards away

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The reason I say that is I got to pass out a tract to Senator. What was that guy's name

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Orrin Hatch? Man, he when did he retire? Is he still alive I wonder? Because he was pretty old back then but Senator Orrin Hatch at the

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General Conference the Mormon Church at the The South Gate of the Mormon Temple and he took a tract for me

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You know why he took a tract for me because I was wearing a rush tie and so was he He spotted my rush tie.

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I spotted his we we laughed and he took took my track as a result

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When my son first went up there with me to Salt Lake City He had a Rush Limbaugh kids tie the zip up type for for little people and So I Still have

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I have not sold gotten rid of thrown out any of my Limbaugh ties.

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I just don't wear a whole lot of regular ties. I've actually had I should

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I've actually had one or two Limbaugh ties converted to bow ties.

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There's a bow tie is limited to Vermont will Take a full -length tie and cut it down and put it into a bow tie so I may be one of the only people with both

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Rush Limbaugh bow ties and Coogee bow ties. I have some Coogee bow ties as well because Coogee also makes ties

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And I have a number of those as well. The reason I'm wearing it Something happened yesterday

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Matt Walsh Tweeted something about Rush's battle with stage 4 lung cancer and I had heard that Sometime earlier in the week,

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I guess Rush had given a update. It was not a positive update about his battle with lung cancer and in the process had given a brief

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But fairly straightforward testimony of faith in Christ now, you know

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David Limbaugh his brother is a well -known Christian writer and so We could certainly hope that that is the case and that there is a true

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Repentance and faith there and relationship there. That would be that would be a wonderful thing But I Either retweeted and made a comment.

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I retweeted what Walsh had Because when

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I looked at the comments, I I was just stunned at the barbaric vile

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Spewing of subhuman hatred From so many people at the very mention of Rush Limbaugh's name and When I retweeted it with a comment they all

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Jumped onto my thread as well. I mean, there are literally people who sit there trolling the internet

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Just so they can post Nastiness, they obviously have some type of search parameter set up for Limbaugh and So I thought you know what

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I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna wear one of my Rush Limbaugh ties And there's gonna be a few people that are absolutely jealous that I have

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I still have Continue to have a an extensive collection. I went into debt.

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I made nothing back then I went into debt to buy Limbaugh ties back then and I could probably make a pretty penny selling them now

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But I have not done so and they remain beautiful ties They were well made and of course,

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I love very very colorful things. And so this was this was the flame There's a

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I've got there's a red version he'd do he'd do different colored color scheme versions of These ties and there's a there's a red one of these.

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I think that I think it's a blue one I've given you some Limbaugh ties over the over the years as I recall that was that used to be one of my

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One of my gifts that I would give friends would be Limbaugh ties And so there are pictures of all of us running around.

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I think the gobbler had one and Maybe I gave one to Warren. I don't recall but Anyway, so I'm wearing a

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Rush Limbaugh tie today in in honor of Russia's fight against lung cancer and in light of the nasty vile people

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That are already dancing on his grave Says says a lot to me about a lot of things anyway, so thank you

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Pope Francis We Have a lot to talk about today and almost all of it is connected in one way or another

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To the Roman Catholic Church, not all of it John Piper's article is not

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Connected in that particular fashion, but they are all interestingly relevant What's interesting is the first article that I want to talk about from Pope Francis had nothing to do with the

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Documentary film that has not yet appeared in English Everything that blew up yesterday my feed exploded

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Facebook Twitter Simply exploded with people reposting the assertion that Pope Francis Has now announced support for same -sex civil unions and What was interesting is

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I already had Lined up what I think is actually in some sense a more important papal statement

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That came out the week before This was from October 20th.

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Well, actually this is October 20th. I can't be that this but this is earlier than that there is a

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Papal Statement called

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Fratelli tutti and Latin just does things like that Fratelli tutti and In this statement

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Pope Francis demonstrates once again That he is a

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Marxist And that is not really surprising

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To anyone Yesterday I had a few exchanges with a

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Roman Catholic who follows me on Twitter was sad because he seems like a really sharp guy, but there is there is there's no limitation as to how far he will go in his defense of Pope Francis the the spinning

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Just astonishing and Eventually, he got down to the well, there was no

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Bible for 400 years stuff and just all that kind of silliness that is is

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Their version their level of jack -chick style stuff to be perfectly honest with you, that's

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Just just amazing. You can't read the early church fathers without realizing how dependent they were upon scripture. But anyway

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What you have to do with Francis is you have to recognize that he came from South America and the

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Roman Catholic Church of South America has been Infested not infected

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Excuse me. I did a hour plus long Program right before this with with less less land fear.

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So My voice may start getting I was talking loudly then Not because we were arguing about anything just we're actually talking about the image of God but is the the sudden the

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Catholic Church the Roman Catholic Church in South America is not infected by but infested

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By liberation theology and liberation theology is a mixture of Marxism and with with religious categories and Pope Francis comes straight out of that milieu

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Everybody knew that's where he was. That's this isn't some this isn't like oh we had no idea.

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No that When when he was chosen it was known that this was where he's coming from and In fratelli tutti

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We are informed by Pope Francis now what's important about this is

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For a telly duty is a part of Francis's normal teaching office a

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Documentary is not and so one of the excuses one of the things that is being put out right now is look

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You know, this is probably in translation If it's not, you know put out in Latin with all the official

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Signatures and things like that. This really doesn't representing all of that has become rather trite

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So when we look at what he said about same -sex civil unions and stuff like that No, this is not a new papal pronouncement.

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He did not come out and say I define pronounce and proclaim That homosexuals should have the right to marry.

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Okay That would cause an immediate revolution There isn't a question about what his views are despite that but Let's be aware of what's really there

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Anyway, this is a part of his normal teaching office as the

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Bishop of Rome and as the Bishop of Rome he is promoting the idea that Personal property is a secondary, right?

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It's not a primary, right and He is functioning upon a extremely fallacious

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Fallacious Understanding let me Infer to an infer telly duty

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Francis first claims the Christian thinkers understood that quote if One person lacks what is necessary to live with dignity it is because another person is detaining it end quote

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So in other words, he's functioning on what's called the zero -sum game there's only so much stuff and If someone doesn't have enough stuff is because somebody else has too much stuff

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He has criticized top -down economic trickle -down economics He does not believe

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That and and simply won't recognize that historically

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What has relieved poverty has never been Marxism. It's never been liberation theology. It's never been socialism

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Socialism just makes everyone equally poor What has relieved so much of the world's poverty has been the expansion of the economy through capitalism

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Expansion So if there's not enough the pie you bake a bigger pie

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He is functioning on the idea. There's there's only one pie It's only so big and so you need to get a smaller piece of the pie

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So somebody else can have a bigger piece of the pie Now that obviously is working in most of our universities now, too

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But it's been proven to be untrue Around the world that's what the last century showed us

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But this is what Francis is promoting now as the Bishop of Rome now my

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Roman Catholic friends look I Understand Why you do not want to hear from me?

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That the Bishop of Rome is wildly out of step

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With his predecessors with the history of the Roman Catholic Church and that he is deeply influenced by Fundamentally anti -christian worldviews

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You know I hear that from me I've been debating you folks for decades and so That make make it hard for you to Accept the reality from me

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But it's a couple years ago that I listened to this lengthy YouTube video

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From some at least one guy used to be associated with Catholic answers isn't any longer and it was some title something along like taking the red pill about Pope Francis or red pilling

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Pope Francis or something like that and It's of course taken from the matrix you you take the blue pill you stay in the matrix

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You take the red pill and you're disconnected from the matrix and you start seeing what's really going on and so taking the red pill is

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Transitioning from the dream world to the real world and Y 'all need

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To take the red pill Okay, more and more y 'all are doing it.

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You're just being forced to do it to realize Okay, yeah, you know what it's really obvious John Paul the second would not write fratelli tutti and He fought against communism and I Can I can just say these are all personal views of a

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Pope until the cows come home? but the reality is He is assigning

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People to the papal biblical Commission and all the other papal commissions that write all of the documents and Decide who's teaching where and who's going to be in what office?

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all across the world based upon his personal beliefs

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Which would have gotten him burned at the stake? Under his predecessors not under Ratzinger or something like that not under Benedict, but I mean

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When you could still burn people at the stake Go go back as far as you want to go to the last

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Execution by burning at the stake that Rome was responsible for whenever that is. It's not that long ago

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Francis would have been burned at the stake. He would have been burned at the stake There's no question about it saying the things he said not just about natural

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Property rights and natural law and everything else. But what he said about atheism homosexuality

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You know all these things He would have been burned at the stake so you have to deal with what that means and Invoking some kind of development hypothesis is not enough

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There has been there is a fundamental epistemological contradiction between saying

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That one man is infallible vicar of Christ and another man is also infallible vicar of Christ, but the one would have burned the other

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There there's there's a problem here. You can you can spin it.

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You can stand on your head You can hold your breath. You can do whatever you want. You have a

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Problem with the authority claims of your church You put all of your eggs in one basket after the

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Council of Constance When for a moment conciliarism looked like it might get someplace the

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Pope crushed it and once Newman collapsed And Vatican one takes place

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You're stuck with this. There's no way out of it for you and you're stuck with Francis and what

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Francis's teachings mean and so your own church is teaching in its

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What's it? What's it? What's he been doing with the Universal Catholic Catholic? He changed that for what to get rid of Any possibility of capital punishment being a valid action of a government any

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That goes against We were just saying go back to the last time that the

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Roman Catholic Church executed someone by burning them at the stake Now we have the

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Pope saying there's never a time when that's appropriate Okay What does that tell you?

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That tells you there's been a fundamental change hasn't there? Yes. Yes indeed. Yes indeed there has now so this is in a papal document and This provides

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I think an important context for what then came out with the statements in a film called

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Francesco and in according to reports on Wednesday this documentary premiered in Rome and According to the translation

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He said Quote homosexuals have a right to be a part of the family they're children of God and have a right to a family

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Nobody should be thrown out or be made miserable Because of it then it says after these remarks and in comments like in the spark controversy among Catholics Pope Francis Weighed in directly an issue of civil unions for same -sex couples quote

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What we have to create is a civil union law That way they are legally covered

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The Pope said I stood up for that Now when it says

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I stood up for that that tells me he's talking about Something from the past and I'll be really interested to know exactly what something from the past that was in reference to So However, you look at this the

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The makers of the film have found a good way for people to want to watch it if there's a rental fee or something more than one of us are going to be taking the time to To look at it because we know

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That historically The Roman Catholic Church has identified homosexuality as a sin

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Obviously up until the past 60 years or so it was there wasn't any nuance in that it wasn't just a

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Disordered desire a state of disordered sexual desire it was a sin that would preclude you from the kingdom of heaven it was clearly a mortal sin

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Now there is a long Long history you can go back to the Lollards the

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Lollards had songs About the homosexual corruption of the Roman priesthood and that was in the 1300s.

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So Rome's Rome's history of homosexuality A self -inflicted history

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When you ignore what scripture says do not forbid marriage There you go

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And I know I know what the answers are I debated Pacwa on it. I know what the answers are Well, I'm married to the church, right?

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That's that's not what it was. That's not what Paul was talking about and Again, you can close your eyes to the reality of what has brought this about all you want

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Doesn't change the truth but At least

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Rome's Morality and ethics on the subject have remained primarily unchanged for a long long time despite her practice in the highest

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Highest quarters of the Vatican highest quarters the Vatican But now you have this and it makes perfect sense

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It makes perfect sense the liberation theologians in South America Who are applauding?

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Francis for saying that private property ownership is a secondary, right?

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Um They're all on the LGBTQ IRS TUV bandwagon, so this makes perfect sense and Once you've adopted the worldview that Francis has been giving evidence of for a long time now.

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Oh Little boy your atheist father died, but he had you baptized

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Therefore he went to heaven Once you've got that kind of expression who am

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I to judge homosexuals that was years ago Once you've got that going on, you know where the guy actually stands the the only question is going to be

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Will his personal views get expressed? formally that's the only question and if in a documentary

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The Pope actually says that he stood up For creating a civil union law.

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We all know how that worked. Remember? Well, maybe we all don't know how that worked It must be getting dry

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No apple cider today But it still tastes good Cold water is a wonderful thing

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Fine find a way to hide it. So he can't sit on it to say something. He doesn't really have to sit on it

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That's that's the problem. That's the problem Remember some of you aren't old enough to remember this but before Obergefell and before the push for that This civil unions thing was quite possible.

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That was the first step Okay, we're not talking marriage. Okay marriage. Yeah, it's a man woman.

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That's that's what him humankind's always said We're not talking about that. But yeah, you know

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How about something that would you know allow for? property to be shared and you know

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We give some of the benefits of marriage. We won't we don't want to call it marriage and So that's what the

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Pope's talking about. We don't want to call it marriage. Well, why don't you want to call it marriage? Well Because within Roman Catholicism that that's the sacramental thing and and Yeah, that'd be really hard to just come straight out and Obergefell the

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Roman Catholic Church Could Francis do that? Of course you couldn't that's this that's the that's the problem with the system and The faithful Roman Catholic says he could but he can't because God will strike him dead first Because it's so obvious.

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The problem is If you have Francis now, who's the next guy?

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And the next guy is gonna come from a cardinal a College of Cardinals that's been packed in the traditional historical sense of fact by Francis Okay, so I know

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That there was a day when Boston College taught historical traditional

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Roman Catholic beliefs Boston College doesn't today you think that happened overnight? No, it happened over decades over a century has they had time to do it and that's what you're seeing in the papacy and the result is that what is taught at Boston College today is basically a 180 -degree opposite mirror of what was taught there not overly long ago.

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So you can again to my Roman Catholic friends You can say it's just a documentary.

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It's just a private opinion. It's just he's just talking about civil unions But you know in your heart of hearts, this is how it's done

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This is how the revolution is accomplished No, this is not a binding statement

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You can't say it the Pope has infallibly said that civil unions are The law of the church he hasn't yet Could never happen.

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Really? I would think 2020 has taught most of us

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To avoid making the statement it could never happen because In January of this year

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If you had told people the things we have voluntarily submitted ourselves to We would have said no

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No way The citizen I was in Melbourne last year And if you as we sat there we had fish and chips

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At this wonderful place on the on the beach really good fish and chips and If you had told me then that Within a year the citizens of that city

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Could not move more than 5 ,000 meters from their homes and Only when

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Mary wearing masks Even going that far. I was said What it what what black helicopter theory you talking about but that's the way it is right now

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Right now as we speak. So let's let's not do the it could never happen it could the system has no way of stopping it and Remember, I've told you many times before years and years ago.

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I pointed out a stark contrast Between the statement of John Paul the second and that of one of his predecessors long before One of the innocents thing was innocent the third or tenth or something like that Where they said the exact opposite things about the same subject and a

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Roman Catholic apologist Robertson Jennis Responded by saying James you have no right to interpret the teachings of the church only the church can interpret her own teachings infallibly so What if?

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Francis's successor does say

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That civil union laws Are just and righteous because that's what

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Francis is saying and that this is the law of the church and that Homosexuals who enter into these civil unions will be accepted

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To mass and Will be members and good staying in the church and you say but that is against what we've taught who gets to interpret

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What has been taught? the guy making the rule That's what your whole system is about you can say but but the people back then didn't understand that that's just your fallible reasoning

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Submit to the Holy Father You got no way out of it Because you've created your entire epistemological system

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You're the ones that sat around saying you can't have a canon of scripture without us defining it You can't have scripture us defying it and I've been trying to tell you for decades.

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You believe in sola ecclesia and The more you fight it the more you prove it and you say no we have a

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Tripartite system. No, you don't I've pointed out before what is scripture

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Rome tells you what does scripture mean Rome tells you what's tradition? Rome tells you what's tradition mean Rome tells you you can't be corrected by scripture and tradition in that situation and So if the

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Pope says it you're stuck with it. I've been seeing people all over the place that That that can never happen they'd remove him what do you mean they'd remove him

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There's there's no system in place to do that What are you doing? It just occurred to me when you said that it's okay

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So the predecessor says this is the law and then does the development thing and it always has been

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Right. He just does they shoehorn it right back into history and next thing, you know We're gonna find some early father that used some language

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That was a little bit off the beaten path and go see we've always believed it It's always been the doctrine of that is how

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Rome Interprets the early fathers all the fathers on everything.

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Look you can't complain You people have been ransacking the Bible looking for anything about Mary that you want to read into You can't complain if they treat dealer church fathers the same way and find some wacky thing to say.

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Yeah, there it is You got no way around it. You have your ultimate authority It's unreformable because you bowed in the 1870s to Vatican one, which said the

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Pope's infallible. You're stuck with it It's all there is to it It's a circular broken epistemology and you're watching the wheels right now

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You ever watched one of those situations on a somebody's on their car It comes off and and That's that's where you are

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Artie Johnson on the tricycle. I was a Christian. I didn't I would I didn't didn't watch that thing

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No, I remember laughing but but but we weren't really allowed to watch that No, no, we weren't allowed to watch that.

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No, so but I do I do know what you're talking about. I Know you're a pagan. So that's alright

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That's okay. I have to I have to deny that I have any knowledge of that anyway So so So, yeah, so so there's all these people

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I mean it is sort of funny to watch Protestants Dealing with the

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Pope and not knowing not recognizing the difference between a documentary and infallible statement or You know saying oh the

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Pope has come out and he's now approved this or put no he he did a documentary where he said that Homosexuals should be able to have a civil union so that they can they can have a family now that's problematic

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But it's not an official definition That should be enough to make any

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Roman Catholic go this Pope is absolutely compromised worldview theology everything

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I mean I Can't imagine what it's like to be a believing Roman Catholic right now.

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There's this guy What was it Delaney was his name on Twitter? obviously intelligent fellow, but the the depth he was having to go to to spin

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Everything that is so obvious about Francis It's just it's it's prostitution of the mind

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It really is you've got to take the red pill and go this guy's off I mean at least some of you are finally going.

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You know what we've had some we've had some anti -popes in the past and We're in a situation where you have an anti -pope that that that would make sense because there's all sorts of times

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Read J. Andy Kelly's history of the Popes There's there's all sorts of times when you've had

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Popes that history has basically said yeah, not really I That sort of gives the lie to the unbroken succession thing too, but the point is there's aside from the

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Babylonian captivity of the church Where you had three popes up to three popes for decades you had two popes busily anathematizing the other

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Pope Nobody knew which one was the right one then eventually had three popes and then the

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Council of Constance came along fixed all that and You moved on from there and burned Yan Hus for the fun of it anyway

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This idea of anti -popes is not unknown at all And I would imagine there's probably a number of people that are going.

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Yeah, I think it's time to go back to that They don't like the instability that creates. It's one thing to talk about it 800 years ago

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It's not anything to talk about right now Because that makes it very practically impossible for you to be doing a lot of the apologetics you normally do

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Yeah That last convocation evidently the Holy Spirit wasn't able to get everybody to vote for the right guy and So here we have the problem

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Maybe they just blame it on Hey, you know, I hadn't thought about but some of you might just be sitting there going

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This guy's this guy's the anti -pope because Benedict's still alive Benedict's not dead and I can guarantee you if Benedict is still functional

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He's spitting spitting his teeth out at this kind of stuff.

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Oh But no you could you could make the argument that that's that's how you that's how you rescue it is you

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You make the argument that Benedict is still the current proper Pope Francis is an anti -pope and whoever comes in next heals the schism or something.

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I I don't know. Hey Rome has done weirder things than then than this

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But I'm looking forward to the documentary. It's going to be interesting There's probably some other stuff in there

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But what we're what we're looking at here is Not an official declaration, but it is a clear documentation of the fact that the current

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Pope would be Toasted By most of his predecessors

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Yeah, not not just the extra dark toast. We're talking fry baby toast

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By his predecessors, that's a fact and you have to think through what that means now if You want to continue believing in him?

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You'll find a way to do it. That's that's what Twitter has proven That's what Twitter has proven is you'll you'll find a way to do it.

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It's sad But it's true, but it's true Now somewhere along the same line someone sent me this and Are you able to use this

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It looks familiar doesn't it? In fact the way it the way I'm looking at it here shirt and everything else this looks like the

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Same one it that that that can't that does look like the same one.

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That is the same one Wrong one. All right. There we go

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There we go different shirt There we go. Almost started the wrong the wrong one there, but we'll we'll get it right here

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Different shirt so and a different host there Got it. Got to figure out which ones

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Um, hopefully this is cued to the right spot it doesn't look like that it is. Oh, no.

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No it is it is someone sent this to me and what's interesting is Again, we're still on the subject

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Roman Catholicism. We are before the program ends. I do want to talk about John Piper and his article and I've already responded to it briefly, but I want to talk about some more

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This is a very interesting clip I was informed about it,

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I think via YouTube or Facebook Messenger and it has to do with a

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Battle that's going on amongst Roman Catholics about this clip, which has pitted

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Tim Staples Against some other

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Roman Catholics that know a little bit more about Islam Um Some of whom don't like me at all, let's just let's just put it that way.

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I'll let you figure that out from there Rome does have a serious serious.

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Okay, Robert Spencer Rome has a very serious problem in regards from Islam and I'll tell you why this is the universal

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Catholic catechism and And again, it can be changed at the whim of the

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Pope but it currently reads The church's relationship with the

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Muslims the plan of salvation This is a quote from Lumen Gentium The plan of salvation also include includes those who acknowledge the

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Creator in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims these profess to hold the faith of Abraham and now listen and Together with us they adore the one merciful

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God mankind's judge on the last day That's Lumen Gentium 16

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So that from Vatican II, but it's in the universal catechism. So this again raises the question What is infallible teaching because there are people there are people like Tim Staples who will say well

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Vatican II is just a pastoral council it didn't promulgate anything new and there are a lot of people who try to Downplay the doctrinal authority of Vatican II the problem is if you then take a statement from Vatican II and quote it verbatim in the universal

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Catholic catechism and The Popes have known this multiple Popes have known the content of this

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How is that not representative of the official teaching of the church? It seems to me rather obviously that it is representative of the official teaching of the church and So the church says now if it just simply said these profess to hold the faith of Abraham Okay, duh, that's

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Yeah, they claim to hold the faith of Abraham with differences, but to worship the

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God of Abraham and They would say that we have gone into excess and though we all claim to be worshiping the same

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God There are fundamental differences as to what we believe But it's not what all it says it says and together with us and this is

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Rome speaking for all Christians Together with us they adore the one merciful

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God. I don't know how you avoid

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The reality that what this is saying is that there is True worship of the one

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God taking place in Islamic worship Rejecting Jesus Christ the Son of God Identifying the worship of Jesus as shirk

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Denying that he died on a cross denying that he rose again the third day, but worshiping the one true God Here is the problem with Romanism All through this you'll have the idea that all mankind are the children of God No recognition of Jesus is playing teaching you're of your father the devil

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You have to be born again by faith in Jesus Christ to be in the family of God Rome doesn't believe that not anymore

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Once did doesn't anymore. This is part of the change of doctrine and teaching over time

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But especially in regards to Islam We adore the one true God together with us adore the one true

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God so with that as a background Let's listen to this clip from Catholic answers live that has caused

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Controversy even amongst Roman Catholics regarding the teaching of the Catechism about Worshipping the same

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God. Yes, but in the language it says together with us. They adore the one merciful God Yes, so how does that?

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Unify with what Jesus says in John chapter 5 that whoever does not honor the son does not honor the father who sent him great question and Here's the key.

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I always like to go to text like John 14 6 to clarify on this point

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Because Jesus also says in even more plain terms than the verse you just gave

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I am the way the truth and the life no man comes to the father except by me Right and so how in the world can anybody be saved other than those who know

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Jesus and of course We believe as Catholics that there's the possibility of salvation for those who have never rejected

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Jesus And why do we say that? Because if you go to the next chapter in in John 15 verse 22

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Jesus Says if I had not spoken to them

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They would have no sin now. I have spoken to them their sin remains Notice how

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Jesus there teaches that you're not Responsible for what you did not know and we would add in our

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Catholic theology what you could not have known what you were not Responsible to have known and so yes, it is absolutely true that if you don't honor the son

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You're not honoring the father, but what's implied there is that you know it To knowingly reject the son is to reject the father but again

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Jesus says if I had not spoken to them, they would have no sin. In other words, you're not responsible this is what the church understands as Invincible ignorance that is though not just ignorance

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And remember ignorance is never bliss. Ignorance is a bummer and it's dangerous

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It's Invincible ignorance that can mitigate culpability if you're ignorant in in the sense that you should have known

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Then that itself is a sin In other words, if you purposely stuck your fingers in your ears when sister was teaching at Catholic school

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So you wouldn't be culpable guess what you are culpable. All right, but that's the key my brother

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That's not contract see the the catechism paragraph 841 which is quoting

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Lumen Gentium paragraph 16 in the dogmatic Constitution of the church is not contradicting Jesus Christ Jesus Church is simply

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Elucidating what Jesus teaches does that make sense Brad? It does help would you then say that but those

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Muslims who do hear about Christ and reject him Would the catechism teaching not apply to them then?

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Exactly, but we need to add a caveat here You and I are not the ones that can make that judgment only

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God can Because just and this has been a mistake a lot of Christians make just because somebody hears even if it's a great saint

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Proclaiming the gospel does not mean they come mean they comprehend it Especially with regard to the great mystery of the

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Trinity, for example, which requires supernatural grace to comprehend Anyway, we are not the ones that can make the judgment up that guy heard the gospel man

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He's cooking because he's still Muslim. No that is in the internal forum where God Alone can judge but in principle what you're saying is absolutely correct the

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Muslim Who has heard the gospel and in his heart of hearts said wow

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There's something true here. But no, no, I'm gonna reject that because my whole family

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That's when all those verses of Scripture, you know, unless you take up your cross if you put father mother

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Wife lands anything before me you are not worthy of me and you will be lost

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Because you know, we just read on Sunday that great gospel

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From Matthew's gospel chapter 16 verses 21 through 27, which comes right after the promise of the keys of the kingdom

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Which I love right after that promise Jesus says the Son of Man has to go to the cross and and Peter says no way no way didn't you get the memo?

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We're gonna take over the world and what does Jesus say get thee behind me Satan because thou savest not the things which are of God but the things which are of men and then after he hammers

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Peter He goes on to say unless a man unless you take up your cross and follow me

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You cannot be my disciple if you love your life more than me. You cannot be my disciple

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What does it profit a man verse 26 says if he gained the whole world and lose his own soul?

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It's when you have knowledge of who Jesus is that all those verses kick in place for you

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And you must choose to follow Jesus or you will be lost Okay.

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So What you didn't hear in any of that? Was any discussion whatsoever of What the nature of worship is?

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Object of worship is and the fact that Islam comes after Christianity That the

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Quran talks about Jesus but gives a false Jesus and And Hence you combine that with the

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Quasi not necessarily universalism, but inclusivism of The Second Vatican Council and you get this confused

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Response that doesn't actually deal with the fact that lumen gentium says they are worshiping

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God So you can worship God You're worshiping with Catholics because it's

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Catholics I hear so the Catholics and the Muslims are worshiping the one true God even though The Muslim holy book identifies the worship of Jesus as shirk as The impartable sin as Idolatry, this is why you need solo scriptura.

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Okay this Francis is why you need solo scriptura Francis on private property

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Francis on same -sex unions Francis on anything is why you need solo scriptura. So Francis on Atheist fathers having their little kids baptized means that atheist fathers go to heaven

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That's why you need solo scriptura and Tim Staples standing on his head spinning around Not dealing with the real issue of section 841 of the

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Universal Catholic Catechism Lumen gentium chapter 16 section 16 paragraph 16 is

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Why you need solo scriptura? So What is the real issue?

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The real issue is the object of worship? who are we worshiping and Does Islam coming after The clear identification of the

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Christian faith and denying that Worship the same

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God and I don't believe we're worshiped as you know, I know we're claiming that we claim

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That Yahweh Though that's a term very rarely used amongst Muslims that Yahweh is the one true

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God and that We are worshiping the same God that Abraham Worshipped But there has been a few thousand years of church history since then

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I think it's a thousand years of history since then don't call it church history and So the question has to be asked in our context here now not back there somewhere and there has been this revelation that has taken place in the person of Jesus Christ and So that question can only be asked in our context now and so I didn't

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Delve too deeply into it, but I I got the strong suspicion

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That Robert Spencer I I don't know how Robert Spencer deals with section 841

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But there was evidently something that Tim Staples said at that point because it sounded like Staples was basically saying

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That yes the Muslim who does not know what Christians believe is

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Worshiping the same God as section 841 says but in ignorance But if he finds out differently then he's in trouble.

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So why do we send missionaries? I mean if they're worshiping the same

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God, it sounds like We're being told that they're gonna be okay Unless we send missionaries and they reject the missionaries then they're not gonna be okay.

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So why'd we send the missionaries again? I don't know. It's very confusing

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But that's the problem with with Roman Catholicism is Is that issue?

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Okay this morning. I Saw an article posted by John Piper titled policies persons and paths paths to ruin

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It's on desiring God, I think it's the primary article. Yep, if you just bring up desiring

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God Dated today October 22nd. This article is probably let's go ahead and bring it over here

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This article is probably as close as you will get to an answer on how I will vote in the upcoming presidential election

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Probably right only God knows what may happen in the next days So it sounds like he's gonna vote for somebody

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Nothing I say here is intended to dictate how anyone else should vote but rather to point to a perspective that seems to be neglected

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Yes, this perspective sways my vote But you need not be sinning if you weigh matters differently Okay, I appreciate that.

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Anyways Actually, this is a long overdue article attempt to explain why I remain baffled that so many

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Christians here's here's the issue There's so many Christians consider the sins of unrepentant sexual immorality pornaya unrepentant boastfulness aloxanaya unrepentant vulgarity

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Iscrologia unrepentant factiousness Dacostasia and That's that's a good test to discuss the

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CI and the like to be Only toxic for our nation while policies that endorse baby killing sex switching

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Freedom limiting and socialistic overreach are viewed as deadly So in other words, it seems like If I'm following him here

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He's saying that sexual immorality unrepentant boastfulness unrepentant vulgarity and repentant factiousness are

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Are considered toxic But baby killing sex switching freedom limiting and socialistic overreach are viewed as deadly

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Okay The reason I put those Greek words in parentheses is to give a graphic reminder These are sins mentioned in the

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New Testament to be more specific. They are sins that destroy people. They are not just deadly They are deadly forever.

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They lead to eternal destruction. They destroy persons and through persons they destroy nations Okay Forgiveness through Christ all is possible where there is repentance and childlike trust in Jesus But where humble repentance is absent the sins condemn

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The New Testament teaches those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God and those who practice such things deserve to die

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To which you say so what rejecting Jesus Lord also leads to death But you are willing to vote for a non -christian, aren't you?

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I am assuming there is enough overlap between biblical uprightness and the visible outworking of his character and convictions

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So Immediately Immediately something

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I've said repeatedly. I have to bring up here. I Disagree with John Piper that this is an election about the moral standing of either

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Donald J Trump or Joseph whatever his middle name

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Biden. This is an election about whether there will be an election in 2024

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This was an election as to whether there will be a constitution in 2024 This is an election as to whether the

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United States will become like, California before 2024 Where you can be a

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Republican all you want in 2024 in California mean and your vote means nothing and you know it There are no nation.

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There are no Statewide Republican office holders because it's all been rigged. You can't win

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It's not possible there's one one party rule and they get to do whatever they want to do and That's what the

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United States will be in 2024 if Harris wins Remember, I don't consider

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Joseph Biden Every day he gets less and less a meaningful candidate these scandals right now truly amazing

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I do suggest that Donald Trump while his microphone is on for the few moments that it will be this evening

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That he he go Hey Joe, how do you say was a big man?

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How do you say big man in Chinese? That's that's my that's my suggestion

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Big yeah, don't call him judge. Call him big man. Yeah, that yeah. Anyway, I I think Harris is is the

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Worldview carrier because Joe has had all sorts different worldviews. He doesn't know what a worldview is. It's it's whatever he's told to say.

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So The man is non compass menace anyway It's not about either of those two men

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This is about two fundamentally different worldviews and One of those worldviews we already we we know both of them

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We've lived the one in the United States for a couple centuries and We know the other one it killed 125 million people in the last century that's what we're voting between and for some reason

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John Piper thinks that That Donald Trump's unrepentant foul -mouthed is

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Equal to the worldview that killed 125 million people, okay

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All right In fact, I think it's a drastic mistake to think the deadly influences of a leader come only through his policies and not also through his person

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Well, I just stopped for there and just just point out In our system, it's not supposed to work that way at all.

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It's becoming more and more that way. Thanks to the left With the division of powers, it's not supposed to be about the person

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But again The person of Joe Biden or Kamala Harris is

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Cannot be separated from the worldview Policies are based on worldview He's using old language

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Policies used to be policies that Americans together could disagree on This is about the dismantling of the

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American system. This is a policy. This is destruction. This is revolution He may not believe that I don't know if he doesn't he has a much higher view of Kamala Harris and Joe Biden I do

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This is true not only because flagrant boastfulness vulgarity immorality and factiousness are self -incriminating also because they are nation corrupting

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They move out from centers of influence to infect whole cultures the last five years bear vivid witness to this infection at almost every level of society

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This truth is not uniquely good. Now. Let me just stop saying it It sounds like what he's saying is so much of what we're seeing in our country is due to People personally trying to imitate the sins of Donald Trump.

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I Don't think that's had almost anything to do with anything. I thought there may be some people but The city's burning down Your own city city burning down had nothing to do with this the people destroying

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The city of Minneapolis had nothing to do with Donald Trump's vulgarities

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That's a worldview issue these are Marxists and my concern is from what

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I'm reading here. It almost sounded to me like Dr. Piper does not understand Marxism very well or what it did.

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He has to he say his history. I Would think that anyone stays history just would have to have an immediate pushback against any type of positive presentation of anything to be in smacks of Marxism The truth is not uniquely

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Christian little 11 11 is a whole lump bad company ruins good morals Whether you embrace that company in your house or on social media it corrupts the there are sins lead people into more and more ungodliness as their talk spreads like gangrene

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There is a character connection between rulers and subjects when the Bible describes a king by saying he sinned and made

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Israel to sin It does not mean he twisted their arm. It means he influent his influence shaped the people that's calling of a leader

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Take the lead and giving shape the character of people so it happens for good or for ill well

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I'm not sure that that is as relevant in our day because we're talking worldview issues here and Donald Trump did not inculcate a worldview

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The left has through our educational system through our through our courts through our universities

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That's what's led to the bloodshed. That's what leads to the to the injection of hormones into eight -year -old bodies

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That's a worldview and it started under Barack Obama and he wasn't doing it

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He was outwardly moral Is it not baffling then so many

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Christians seem to be sure that they are saving human lives and freedoms by treating as minimal The destructive effects the spreading gangrene of high -profile high -handed culture shaping sin.

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This is the false dichotomy. This is where dr Piper is simply wrong You're wrong, brother

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You are creating a false dichotomy here You don't seem to understand or No one is treating as minimal

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The destructive effects of spreading gangrene of high -profile high -handed culture shaping sin But the high -profile high -handed culture shaping sin is the influx of secular humanism through the universities and through our government and the

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Leftists who have taken positions of authority in your own state under your own nose they're the ones refusing to prosecute criminals in The streets that are burning buildings down.

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They're the ones who are promoting The idea

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Joe Biden last year before the riot started said that the civil rights issue of our day is transgender rights you can't see a difference between Donald Trump's arrogance, which is sinful before God and That corruption which is not only corrupting

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Joe Biden, but destroying innocent little lives I'm left speechless

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You're making these the same thing This point has special relevance for Christians freedom and life are precious

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We all want to live to be free to pursue happiness but if our freedoms even our lives are threatened or taken The essence of our identity in Christ is certainty of our everlasting joy with Christ and holiness and love that we have

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For which we have been saved by Christ. None of these is lost with the loss of life and freedom So who's minimizing what now?

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It almost sounds It almost sounds like you could read this that yeah, sure the

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Marxists might throw us all in gulags and Yeah, they might murder a hundred and they might murder 250 million people this time

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But we're all going to heaven It's worse that Donald Trump swears

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What? What what? Therefore Christians communicate a falsehood to unbelievers who are also baffled when we act as if Policies and laws that protect life and freedom are more precious than being a certain kind of person

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Brother Piper it is evil in God's sight to teach and promote

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That mankind is an animal without transcendent meaning

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It is evil to deny the existence of the Creator It is evil to deny that the

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Creator made us male and female It is evil to teach that marriage can be between two men and two female two women

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It is evil to teach that you can determine your gender when God has said otherwise

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Which is more directly destructive to a wider number of people. Dr.

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Piper and It is truly evil when the government takes your children from you to cram this into their heads

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Which is what Kamala Harris will do within a matter of weeks of taking office if elected, sir

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Donald J. Trump won't do that. Oh, well, I'll take that back. I Suppose the possibility exists, but Harris and Biden have promised to do it.

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Have you heard about the Equality Act, sir? The end of our religious freedom in the

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United States, have you heard of it, sir? Do you think that that is actually equal in its sinfulness?

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To the personal issues that Donald Trump plainly has I've said on this program. I Don't like listening to him

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He is an egomaniac No question about and that does open the possibility in the second term

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He could be completely different than he was in the first. It's unlikely But it's possible but the point is the other side has promised to corrupt our youth

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Has promised to take away our freedoms has promised to take away our religious liberties and shut us down They've promised it.

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How can you equate these two things? Because that's what you did. You equated these things

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The church is paying dearly and will continue to pay for our communicating this falsehood year after year The justifications for ranking the destructive effects of persons below destructive effects of policies ring hollow.

01:08:35

That's the error right there There it is the justifications for ranking the destructive effects of persons below destructive effects of policies ring hollow

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This is the false dichotomy. This sir is where you are wrong deadly wrong Deadly wrong we are talking about the policies that led to the murder of 125 million people in the last century.

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How can you not see that? Dr. Piper Travel to Germany Travel to Berlin visit the

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Stasi prison and then come back and repeat this stuff I find it bewildering that Christians can be so sure

01:09:26

That greater damage will be done by bad judges bad laws and bad policies. How about an anti -christian worldview?

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How about that? That is being done by the culture infecting spread of the gangrene of sinful self -exaltation and boasting and strife stirring

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Aristocats, I am sorry. I missed

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How Minneapolis got turned into Beirut By boastfulness

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I Saw how it happened through a

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Marxist worldview and violence That's where you are.

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How did you miss that? you really think that Donald Trump's arrogance is what is causing our current national problems and Not the fundamental full -on promotion of critical race theory

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Intersectionality Have you been in the university sir? Are you listening to what's being taught?

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Do you know what's going on at Union Theological Seminary? I'm I am stunned and I'm not the only one.

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There's a lot of us sitting around going What happened what what what how do they know this seriously?

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Where do they get the sure knowledge the judges laws and policies are less destructive than boastful factiousness in high places

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Well, it seems really obvious to all of us, sir That it is an anti -christian worldview that dehumanism humanizes mankind exalts the state.

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That's the problem not Donald Trump's arrogance That seems really obvious because you know what

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Richard Nixon was just as arrogant as Donald Trump. He just didn't promote it

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He was just as foul -mouthed as Donald Trump Johnson oh, they all were

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I mean that There's nothing new it's just Trump does it more boldly

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The danger is the overthrow of the system that has given us the freedoms that gave you sir

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The freedoms to build that huge church and that school and to do the missions work and the publishing work

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Which will come to an end under the Equality Act, sir You say you're baffled sir.

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You have baffled a lot of us big time With what you just wrote What about abortion no, what about worldview

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Where does the wickedness of defending child killing come from it comes from hearts of self -absorbed arrogance and boasting

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That's part of it. But sir, why why are you not sensitive to worldview issues? Abortion makes sense in a secular world

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There's no transcendent value to life. We're all just chemicals fizzing It comes from hearts that are insubordinate to God you mean in rebellion against God in other words

01:12:45

It comes from the very character that so many Christian leaders are treating as comparatively innocuous What?

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Because they think Roe and Scotus and Planned Parenthood are more pivotal more decisive battlegrounds

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They are they are What is influencing the violence in our society

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You really think that it's Donald Trump? You really think this is people running around trying to be like Trump?

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Rather than acting upon a worldview a secular worldview that fundamentally destroys their moral capacities

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I think Roe is an evil decision I think Planned Parenthood is a codename for baby killing and historically at least ethnic cleansing

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I think it is baffling and presumptuous to assume that pro -abortion policies kill more people than culture saturating pro -self pride

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There it is John Piper equating culture culture saturating pro -self pride and Identifying that as having its origin in Donald J.

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Trump now is their culture saturating pro -self pride

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Yes, but it's the rebellion Of Secularists who no longer believe there's a creator and deny the very foundations

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Upon which we identify mankind as being made in the image of God and it's a fulfillment of their sexual lust and Their promotion of their own self autonomy, but that comes from the worldview issues when a leader models self -absorbs self -exalting boastfulness, which

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I You Couldn't make this app. Why didn't you make this application six years ago?

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Did you maybe you did maybe I missed it But I I don't remember the one about Obama.

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He models the most deadly behavior in the world He points his nation to destruction destruction of more kinds that we can imagine so I guess that then you would apply this to Mao and Stalin and the others right and Hence Biden and and and Harris who are promoting the same stuff.

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I hope Isn't I to think that a man can be effectively pro -life and manifestly consistently the character traits that lead to death temporal and eternal

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I agree. I Agree not sure what that has to do with this, but I agree

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That looks like it was added later Wonder if there was an addition that was made.

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But anyway, the the the cutout quotes Were what caught my attention is baffling to assume the pro -abortion policies kill more people than a culture saturating pro -self pride

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We are in the middle of a holocaust of babies But Donald J.

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Trump's pride Is equal to that there's an equal sign. They're the same thing

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No, they're not No, they're not. We all know that. I Don't know what

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I don't know what brings this out. I Don't get it We've all benefited from John Piper his materials

01:16:23

But there are times When he a couple years ago when he did the hey if someone breaks in attacks my wife,

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I you know, I'm Not gonna do anything type stuff that I wrote back and said that's not what the

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Bible teaches. No, that's not what the Bible teaches That that's not it. That's not in accordance

01:16:41

God's law. That's not in accordance with no. No, so sometimes and this was face -plantingly bad and What ten days before for an election?

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I don't know what he's saying as Far as what his elect his choice could be it's he's plainly not voting for Donald Trump Is he voting for Joe Biden?

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I I can't imagine that I sure hope not But is he is he joining with those that are just trying to just trying to push enough of a door open to maybe

01:17:15

You know, maybe we can We can get him in. I hope not.

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Maybe it's just a third -party thing Maybe it's total abstaining even though it said the beginning sound like he was voting. I don't know.

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I don't know, but I know that the number of false equivocations the ignoring of the

01:17:38

Fundamental difference in worldview. This is a worldview election Russell Moore was with Dr.

01:17:47

Edmondson and Russell Moore was laughing at the people who are saying that this is the most important election of our lifetime and They're right.

01:17:58

That is that was said in 2016 and it was said in 2012 and it was said in 2008 and for in 2000.

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Yeah that I Get it. I get it, but this is the first time we are voting and Our vote could determine whether we ever get to vote again

01:18:19

That wasn't true in 2016 It's true now It's true. Now.

01:18:24

Kamala Harris has said California is the model for the United States should be and If you're a

01:18:30

Republican, you know what that means in California, and that's what she wants and that's what they will do

01:18:37

So If you think the Constitution is a bad terrible horrible thing

01:18:43

If you think that secular socialism is a great thing, you know who to vote for But I do not understand and we

01:18:54

When we all meet in the gulag We're gonna have some interesting conversations

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With those of you who said oh, hey, this is Yeah, we yeah, this is what we got to do.

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This is the direction direction. We got to go But we'll have some interesting conversations

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If that's what God brings to pass There you go That which killed

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Over 125 million people in the last century is So evil

01:19:33

That the question that any Christian has to ask if if I can see that coming what is my duty before God If I see even one child on a railroad track, do

01:19:44

I risk my life to try to get him off where the train hits? If I see a hundred and twenty five million people in a

01:19:52

Railroad track, what do I do? Do I just say it's not my job. What do

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I do? That's the question I'm not telling you how to answer it, but you have to you have to deal with it

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You have to think about it. You have to think about it. Okay All right.

01:20:14

There you go. We we got through it all And There's a debate tonight.

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I understand. Yes gonna be starting soon. I would imagine Donald Trump the big guy.

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That's right. It's almost sounds like a Like a little garage band Donald Trump the big guy

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Well, I'm sure there'll be some interesting stuff that's gonna come out of that I'm sure of it

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So Lord willing we get together next week Lord willing we get Nick get together next week, honestly, honestly

01:20:51

From looking at my forecast on my phone From my oh, no wonder it didn't go off today.

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I turned it off for the first time looking at the forecast on my phone It is possible that next

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Tuesday the predicted high Could be in the 60s in Phoenix and we the the skies may develop a leak

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That would be really amazing because that hasn't happened in so long I can't

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I can't remember. Let me just look and see if they're still now. There's a reason why I would be excited about this Yep, 68 on Monday 66 on Tuesday No, but but for but 40 % chance of rain

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Sunday Monday and Tuesday, so I'm not I can't be riding Mm -hmm Wednesday Wednesday but that does mean 66 degrees is

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Coogee weather. Yes Yes Yes, that's Coogee weather you better believe it's

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Coogee weather Rich is like oh man