October 17, 2017 Show with Jody Killingsworth of the Christian Band & Music Ministry “My Soul Among Lions” PLUS Mark Chanski on “Greet One Another With a Holy Kiss: An Examination of Brotherly Affection”

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Iron radio. Wishing you all a happy Tuesday on the 17th day of October 2017. I'm delighted to have two returning guests on the program today. The first hour we're gonna have Jody Killingsworth of the Christian band and music ministry my soul among lions.

Joining us. He's going to be discussing a special Psalms project that he is involved in and we'll also be playing a little bit of the music of my soul among lions who has truly become One of my very favorite Christian recording groups.

And I mean that I'm not just saying that because he's on the program today. I fell in love With them a number of years ago when someone posted one of their songs on YouTube and after further Investigation I eventually wound up inviting Jody to be on the program and also met Tim Bailey.

Who is an author that I've had on the program a couple of times through that? Initial introduction to my soul among lions. The second hour We're gonna be joined by pastor Mark Chansky who is an author and he is also Serving as an under shepherd there at Harbor Reform Baptist Church of Holland, Michigan.

He's also a teacher of hermeneutics for the Reform Baptist Seminary in Easley, South Carolina. And he's going to be discussing the second hour greet one another with a holy kiss an examination of brotherly affection.

Jody Killingsworth and My Soul Among Lions

But first of all, let me introduce my first guest. For the first hour Jody Killingsworth, it's great to have you back on iron trumpets on radio. It's good to be here Chris. Thanks for having me on the show and in studio with me is my co-host the Reverend Buzz Taylor.

And hello, it's good to be here again if anybody would like to join us with a question related to Christian music. For the first hour our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris ar n z e n at gmail .com.

Please give us at least your first name. Your city and state in your country of residence if you live outside of the USA and Before I play some of your music. I wanted to have you even though you've been on the program before it's been some time and We seemingly are getting new listeners every single day.

Here on iron Sherpins iron radio. Why don't you tell our listeners something about my soul among lions. How this group initially formed? And what is unique about my soul among lions?

Okay. Well, we are made up of allow us wind up where we are. None of the elders to allow young men to do that. Because Tom's we began about three you pay for on that division. We have.

Great and obviously your name comes from Psalm 57 verse 4 My soul is among lions. I must lie among those who breathe forth. Fire even the sons of men whose teeth are spears and arrows and their tongue a sharp sword.

Quite quite a fascinating name, and I really love the name by the way. I think it's an excellent. Well, I think it'd be a good idea to give our audience a taste of What my soul among lions is all about.

This is from a new video the voice of God and of course since we're on radio and Live-streaming on the Internet are our listeners cannot see the video. But are these two young ladies your daughters?

Yeah.

Well, they're quite lovely young ladies and this is Jodi Killingsworth of My soul among lions. And the song is the voice of God from Psalm 29 Amen. And How old are your daughters if I'm sorry if I missed that Paloma the oldest is nine and all of that with eight.

It's quite a blessing to see a dad with his two daughters Singing praises to the Lord together, especially when those daughters look like they are truly Loving doing that not just doing that out of out of coercion or something.

As sometimes you see kids up on a stage at church looking like they're bored out of their minds and they wish they could be anywhere else but but up there, but these girls were having a good time with you.

And Now tell us more about the psalm project.

95 feet of God and God's worship on behalf of the stand. The people should and also Congregational singing which we enjoy very much today. It's so much a part of we can use those terms Anonymously while we carry on in form the practice of the reformers that is we sing doing so The content of our songs is very Dramatically from what they sung 500 years ago.

They very self-consciously turn to God's Word For the for the content of their songs in a way that we don't as much anymore They they turn to the book of Psalms, especially I was even just reading Came across a letter that he wrote to a German poet to give himself to the work of so that the people of God could Sing them and it's really sweet to see and they're these wonderful Anecdotes from the time of the Reformation where people were rediscovering this The the work of singing in the congregation and they just were writing to their friends and other cities saying this is just wonderful.

You wouldn't believe it. The people are actually singing God's praise together. It's just delightful, but what they were singing and so what's happened in the last several hundred years is What as We have largely abandoned the work of singing the Psalms in favor of singing the poems devotional poems of Uninspired writers, I don't have any problem with us continuing to sing hymns That are based on Scripture God as long as they're consistent with Scripture I don't have any problem with that.

What I do have a problem with is our abandonment of the Psalter because Those are inspired by God and I think if we untether ourselves from God's Word at that very important point the devotional Life of the church wander away from him in our devotion and failed.

So what we've been doing is we've been working to reclaim the and to.

Have you clarify you're not an exclusive? Psalm singer as some of our brethren are in the the Church of Scotland and the Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America, and I'm sure that there are others.

In fact, yes the heritage reformed churches Joel Beakey is involved in and I'm sure there are even more that are Exclusive psalmody adherence, but you are not exclusive psalmody. You just think that they're important to be included in the worship.

Well, I think I more than important to be included. I think that we have a band perfectly happy with us. Singing songs around the Psalter. I think that all that we do has to be judged by it.

Well, you'll be happy to know that the church where I'm a member Grace Baptist Church of Carlisle, Pennsylvania. Although we sing hymns. We do have a Psalter in every pew. So or should I say many Psalters in every few because a pews rather long.

So But we we do sing the Psalms as well and what you what you just said reminds me of the fact that One of the reasons that I am NOT an exclusive Psalm singer is because of the fact that if you were going to take that That conviction to its logical conclusion Your pastor should ascend into the the pulpit and just read the Bible.

He shouldn't be preaching with his own words, but Also to bolster what you have said The preaching of the word even though it uses uninspired language it would be ridiculous for a Bible believing pastor somebody who believes in the inerrancy of Scripture and who believes that it is Actually God breathed it would be bizarre for him to ascend into his pulpit and not read the Scripture at all.

Which I'm sure that's going on in multitudes of pulpits tragically all over the world. Well, I'm going to also give another taste of your music to our listeners that you've provided and This is forsaken me from Psalm 22 anything further that you care to mention.

Yeah, well, there's so many psalms in this point is one of them that we are. What I'm excited about 24 is that if there was ever any testament Is related and and one with the New Testament, there's ever any doubt that the psalms speak Clearly and prophetically and accurately about Jesus Christ speaks in detail amazing detail about the sufferings that our Lord underwent on the cross and Also, he quoted the opening lines of this psalm to confirm that for us Just moments before he died my god.

My god. Why have you forsaken me?

Well, here's forsaken By my soul among lions. I hope that you are blessed.

My god, my god, why have you forsaken me off of my deliverer is my prayer. They long I cry, but you're not the father's truck. They would cry for help to you in trouble day. Trust in God that he has got in to see him.

Can't you stand. That was a beautiful song and we are going to our.

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This is Chris Arnzen. If you just tuned us in our guest today for the first hour is Jody Killingsworth of the Christian band and music ministry my soul among lions. Coming up in our second hour will be pastor Mark Chansky of Harbor Reform Baptist Church of Holland, Michigan.

Who's going to be discussing? Greet one another with a holy kiss. An examination of brotherly affection. But right now if you'd like to ask Jody Killingsworth a question. Our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

That's chris Arnzen at gmail .com. And give us your first name. Your city and state in your country of residence if you live outside of the good old USA. We do have a question from RJ in White Plains, New York.

And RJ wants to know how do you prevent a group of very talented musicians and singers and songwriters from being guilty of Performing in a manner that could be considered vain worship. I'm not saying at all that you are doing that.

I'm just saying how do you keep the reins on what you're doing to prevent that?

Oh, I think it takes the exercise to admonish and rebuke and exhort with all patience but to admonish rebuke and exhort and I think that the path need to exercise that regularly in the lives of the members of the group.

Otherwise, they will give in to the pride and vanity that is dangerous to them in the work that they front of people and they lead them and a lot of attention and interest and applause comes their way unless they're being humbled regularly by the pastors and elders and and they I'm afraid will Very easily slip into that.

We have the blessing of being under authority and having regular involvement.

We've.

Come to know that that is essential to our out there who are not tied to the church. They live off the church. They tour around the churches and minister in churches, but are not Regularly members care and shepherding and that is to put their feet in a very slippery.

Be under that kind of care and protection ourselves because I think the risks are yeah.

I think that churches and especially the pastors of churches should be very leery. And then do some investigation about musical groups or even evangelists that they were that they invite to their Congregation.

Well, I should say have they should be investigating before they invite.

Either.

Musicians singers or evangelists before they invite them. They should be checking up on them because there are both traveling evangelists and Musicians and bands that are like mavericks. They're like lone wolves who are an authority under themselves and Who view themselves as being somehow over the church like they are?

Looking upon themselves as some kind of a wonderful gift to the churches that they are visiting and they I think sometimes think that they are there to correct The church and things that the church is missing and yet they are under no oversight themselves.

Yeah, we talked about Lone-ranger Christians tongue-in-cheek because the The New Testament just does not have a category. Authority is the nor to be under authority submitted to real men who really know them and who really?

Speak into their lives and I think without that Anybody in any profession in any condition is prone to wonder and is going to fall.

In fact, you don't even have to you don't even have to be a traveling singer musician or band. There are choirs and groups praise bands within churches that act as if they are a church unto themselves and.

Yeah, I know a friend of wire.

That are very powerful for.

Yes, because they know that. Unfortunately, and I'm sure even you as a musician would say unfortunately there are people who will pick a church just because the music might be superior to the music in other churches surrounding them and they Really put what the church believes and teaches on a lower rung of importance.

So the so many of the larger churches, especially those that are involved into the seeker sensitive kind of movement are meticulous about the musicians and singers. They have treating them almost as if they are just like a professional form of entertainment because they know it will be a draw.

And sometimes this very thing goes to the head of the of those involved in the music ministry. In fact, I could remember I could remember a friend of mine Who is pastoring a church and I can't help but chuckle even though it's kind of sad.

He.

In the morning worship the the choir would sing and Then when the choir sang and finished singing and exited the podium there or the platform He would ascend into the pulpit and as he was beginning his message He would hear the choir members in the parking lot talking about where they wanted to eat and then hear cars Driving away because the choir was there just to do their thing and then leave.

And he was a new pastor and he was like in a state of frustration over this because he Was finding it difficult to exercise authority in certain areas like that. But I want to play another song and then we're gonna have you talk about the Kickstarter.

This is this is another song that I have on file here for my soul among lions.

I hope you enjoy it and that's from Psalm 2 and that is a powerful song. In fact.

Jody that is the very first of my soul among lions song that I heard. That's what I was talking about earlier. In fact, I think I heard about that when somebody posted it right after the Horrific Supreme Court decision to legalize same-sex marriage.

Yeah, that's right. And that's really the song that helped launch this project. We have been thinking we need to do this work. We are this project you guys just need to get that up on live now sent funded.

So we heard. My god my god, why have you first day? Amen, and.

So tell our listeners exactly Step by step what they are to do to help out with this Kickstarter.

Okay. Well, if you've liked what long lions, that's our website see what we're up. Well praise God in exchange for donating at any level I should get an immediate free download of.

Psalm 22 first and I strongly advise our listeners to go to the website to hear The music because I don't know how I don't know if it's going to be the. The clarity that you're hearing during this program is going to be the same since you're hearing this through a live streamed Talk show, so I'm not 100 sure if the clarity will be Equal to that that you will hear on the my soul among lions website so It's my soul among lions calm.

Yep, okay, cuz I see a different website also my soul among lions band camp calm.

Well, that is where you can go if you're interested in purchasing our former volume volume 3. Which is our current project. Go to my soul among lions calm. Click on the Kickstarter link in the top probably the top left corner of the page.

And that will take you to kick that away from there. You can when we have a number of previous volumes of songs the new volume when it comes out so that you really can't just go great and.

The first song that we played today were you and your daughters were sitting in a field? Our listeners should know that that was not a Studio recording. That was. I'm assuming that you were actually out there in a field with your two daughters.

That wasn't unless you were superimposed over. Over a backdrop. Yeah, so that was indeed beautiful and the other songs that we sang were studio recordings, obviously. And. What do you. Well, actually, let me go to a listener question right here first.

Sure, we have Christian and. Cumberland County, Pennsylvania. Who says do you think that one of the beauties of using the Psalms is that the Psalms address? Nearly every kind of state of mind that a believer is going through.

They are not all about joy and smiles and uplifting Words and music some of them Also address the deepest darkest moments of our life. There is a multitude of different types of moods and Scenarios that are involved behind the Psalms.

So therefore they reflect a full range of human emotion when we praise God. I think that's exactly right.

We have a saying here in our church Short hand for a lot of things. But if we say get real or be good We want to encourage people to not live their life through social because we want us to not be superficial in general in our approach to Ourselves to sin to one another to suffering child.

We want to just be real no hypocrisy No veneer just like you like the listener said Christian. Thank you for that comment. You said that they they they run the whole gamut of human emotion well if you judged What is commonly sung in churches that only that mostly you get the happy stuff?

You get positive feelings. It's it's. You get sentiments that are In the Psalms, but they're one-sided one-dimensional the salt the Psalter and the psalmist is More holistic granting to the Lord and He does that in a godly way in the church what we what we do lack is an ability to talk about it To acknowledge it and to be real and I think singing Psalm 6 Psalm 6 is a wonderful example of this.

Oh Lord do not rebuke me in your anger or chasten me in your wrath. Be gracious to me. I'm pining away. Well, if I go to the grave will the dead praise you? This this is real and People do feel these things and experience these things, but we need to give them The outlet that the scriptures gives them and we also need to learn how to weep and mourn with those who are suffering.

And so even if we're not personally experiencing the feelings of Psalm 6 and can't this moment. Really somebody next to us in a few can and we need to comfort them.

Well before we Exit from our interview Jody, please summarize in about a minute what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today. Amen. Well, I'm going to exit with another song of Or by my soul among lions and once again, the website is my soul among lions comm correct.

That's right my soul among lions calm. Thank you very much Jody for being on the program today. And I look forward to your return to iron sharpens iron radio in the near future.

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Before we return to the program. Coming up is our second guest of the day Mark Chansky Author and pastor of the Harbor Reformed Baptist Church of Holland, Michigan who's going to be discussing greet one another with a holy kiss an examination of brotherly affection before we go to Pastor Mark.

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