Biblical Prophecies

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Ah, there we go. I was preaching. I'm hearing there's a lot of static on our ends from Drew.

Oh, okay. Drew says there's static. Alright, is it noise or static? So while he's answering that, so I was preaching at Pastor Casey's church at Beulah Baptist Church. I almost said Bible. That was the thing.

Beulah Baptist Church in Winter Garden, Florida. And Dr. Anthony is teaching Wednesday nights there right now on evangelism. So we both happen to be down here. And so someone is saying static. Alright, let me try changing the audio.

Now I heard static on my... Did you? Yeah. Let's switch to that. And why don't you listen there and see if that's any better. The one thing I couldn't really do is do some testing beforehand because there was no one in.

We already got our first question. So let us know if that... Timothy Oliver is saying that is better. That's really surprising because this is a pretty good mic and we're just using that mic. So alright, we will do that then.

Thanks for that. Sorry for the static. Hey, it's a live show. Sorry. So we are in Orlando, Florida right now. And this is the beautiful view that we have from our balcony. And later tonight, during the middle of the show, we should see right...

Let's see. Right about there, I think, is where we'll see some fireworks. Probably in about an hour. Yeah. Almost right behind us. Yeah. So the neat thing is Dr. Sebestro is on the other side of the hotel and either one of us get fireworks.

Biblical Prophecy and Andrew's Testimony

All right. So tonight's topic, biblical prophecy. We had, for those who don't know, I was on a podcast where someone had asked about how I became a believer. And in that, I talked about biblical prophecy.

He wanted to discuss that. So he's coming in. I'll bring in Chris May. Chris, welcome to the program. Thanks for having me. So folks, we did not have really a setup where Chris was like, hey, this is what I specifically want to speak about.

So we just, as you know, this is a live show for those who watch regularly. Anyone can come in with anything. So if you want, just go to ApojectsLive .com. Scroll down to where you see the duck icon. That's the icon for StreamYard.

And join there. So anyone that has any questions, you're welcome. I saw one question that already came in. So Chris, let's have the discussion what you wanted to talk about. The only thing, Chris, I do have to admit, I have to be careful because my hair's thinning here.

So I've got to keep looking up at the camera, which is above me. This is a terrible idea. Chris doesn't have the problem that we're struggling with here. Yeah, I've got a little bit. Not as much, my friend.

But I wanted to try to get the beautiful view, you know, as best I could. So, yeah, so Chris, let's start off with asking, you know, gathering from our very brief discussion, you're not a believer in Jesus Christ.

Would that be accurate? That's accurate. Okay. So why don't you introduce yourself and, you know, what your belief system is?

Yeah, so I think I'm more just kind of interested in studying the Bible from a historical point of view. Kind of just reading the scriptures and reading, you know, the Old and New Testament, just trying to kind of see where I can find information that correlates with, you know, historical information.

And also I'm interested in just theology in general and just the overall belief system and how it kind of corresponds with the first century and other religious beliefs. And so I kind of look at the Bible and read it from, I guess, a historical context, trying to kind of piece together what the original intent was of the authors.

You know, what was the setting, what was trying to be communicated and those kind of things. And so I'm not reading it, obviously, from a theological or a, you know, believer perspective. It's from a, I want to learn more about it and understand it.

Okay. That's kind of where I'm coming from.

All right. And so there's some folks saying there's still static or fuzzy sound.

Is it just background noise? You sound pretty good to me now. It was a little static-y.

I have changed, I did change the microphone to the laptop microphone to see if that works. Good thing we got this nice, you know, $70 microphone. They are the static guys, huh? So KT is saying we're the static guys.

Okay. Well, at least Sean is saying sounds good now. So I usually, okay, as a professional podcaster, folks, I tell people never use your laptop mic. I tried the nice $70 mic. I tried the webcam mic, but oh, well.

So we'll go with this so that we're not the static guys. All right. So Chris, did you grow up with any kind of religious upbringing?

You know, I had grandparents and close relatives who certainly would consider themselves religious and Christian. I mean, you know, I've certainly been to churches, especially early on. I think when I got to the age where, you know, I was allowed to pretty much make up my own decisions and make up my mind on things, you know, it was probably more sporadic, more just going in various times, you know, with other people.

But certainly it was nothing consistent, and I wasn't a believer probably since early teens. Okay.

Okay. So let me, if I could.

But I would also add that I don't think I gained a real strong interest in it probably until like late 20s, early 30s.

Dead Sea Scrolls, Isaiah, and the Dating of Old Testament Prophecy

So for this audience, let me just recap a little bit of what you heard on, and was it Eli Alala's podcast that you heard it on? Yes. Okay. Yes. All right. And so let me just recap for folks here that may not have heard that podcast.

So part of what we talked about there was Eli had asked me how I became a believer in Christ. And part of my testimony was the fact that I had, as many of you know, I grew up Jewish. I unfortunately, to my shame, believed that just because I was Jewish, I was God's chosen people, I was automatically going to heaven.

And Chuck, the bus driver that I was on a team tour with, he had gone through prophecies. And I calculated, I was trying to calculate the prophecies. And I had said that, and if you've heard my testimony before, I talk about this.

I put those prophecies in two camps. One is self-fulfilling, which I don't consider something we should be counting in this equation. The other is coincidence, those that just happen to be true. The fact that Jesus happened to be born in Bethlehem, happened to be born of the line of David.

Things like this that we could figure out how many people were born roughly within 490 years of Cyrus' decree to rebuild Jerusalem. Because we know from Daniel that time frame for the Messiah to be on the scene.

So do we have, you know, how many people were born at that time in that area from that lineage? And there's hundreds of others that we can look at. And so part of what happened with me is I looked at those prophecies, realized it was beyond 10 to the 48th power, which is statistical impossibility.

And I came to the belief that the New Testament had to have been written by God. And then I want to know what the New Testament taught. I talked about Jesus death, burial, resurrection and recognizing I was a sinner was not very difficult.

I know you're not surprised. But it was on that I ended up realizing that I needed God, which I didn't know before. I think I needed a savior. And that's so that was my testimony. And so, Chris, you had you had made the point online.

And I said, hey, let's come in and discuss it. You had the point online that you said that that some that the prophecies could have been written after the fact. Was that basically the point you're making?

So the New Testament prophecies? Yeah. Yes. Essentially, I mean, you hold the same. Actually, I'm curious.

Do you hold the same since you made this distinction in New Testament? Do you hold the same with Old Testament prophecies?

That they could have been written after the fact. Yeah. It's certainly possible.

OK. Let me ask you this just out of curiosity. I know you want to focus on New Testament, but are you familiar with the Dead Sea Scrolls? I am. OK. Are you familiar with the Isaiah Scroll? I am. Wow. Yeah, a little bit.

All right. So the reason I ask that one is because there's two Old Testament books that are often by the liberal scholars. They would argue that they really weren't. They're written either after the fact by multiple Daniels and multiple Isaiahs.

So the idea is that the Book of Isaiah was written by two, and I've heard even three different people. And the reason they would say that is because they would say that because there's so much prophecy in it, they wrote afterwards.

And same with Daniel, the idea that there's two Daniels, one that wrote the first half, one that wrote the second half. So we have all the prophecies that was supposedly written during the time of Rome.

And so the reason I bring up the Isaiah Scroll is because what the Dead Sea Scrolls did was predate the earliest copy of Isaiah that we had by a thousand years. And we see that there's no changes in a thousand years of that scroll of the Book of Isaiah.

And we can now predate that to before Rome. So it's before some of the prophecies that were made. So have you are you aware of that? Let me ask it that way first.

I'm aware that, yeah, there was scrolls of Isaiah found in the Qumran community, the Dead Sea Scrolls. But so you're saying that the Isaiah verses that you feel predict or foresee Jesus, like the suffering servant verses, is that what you're saying?

Yeah. So so the reason that becomes that and others predate one of the arguments that the liberals would make is that Isaiah was written after the fact.

Yeah. And I would never make that argument. I think those verses are in there. I mean, the argument of, you know, how many Isaiah's there were to me isn't really. Yeah. I mean, that wouldn't really change whether it was an accurate prediction or.

If I don't really hold that as a, you know, a negative or it wouldn't be part of my argument to say that. Because I think there's multiple Isaiah's that that renders it.

Yeah. More the issue that the the prophecies we can now know that the prophecies can be dated to before the actual events. Now, Anthony, you put up a comment from Timothy.

Yeah. So you want to read that? Yes. Tim Oliver wrote the Dead Sea Scroll of Isaiah is, in my opinion, one of the most important archaeological finds. And I would I would agree with that. Isaiah 52 going into 53 is really so clear about the Messiah.

And and to be clear, too, about what you're saying about the Dead Sea Scrolls is that Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered in the 1940s. And the Dead Sea Scrolls were put in the Qumran hole in the Qumran caves somewhere in the 400 year period of silence.

Yeah. Before Jesus. So we have we have a verification that we have two thousand years of the Bible being copied and copied and copied and being unchanged.

And I say, look at Isaiah being one of those books. Yeah. I mean, that's one of the reasons when I when I go to the Museum of the Bible, they actually have a copy of the Isaiah scroll they have there.

And that's one of the reasons I actually talk about that, because, Chris, one of the things that that ends up doing is is showing us the importance of it is the fact that you have the liberals who argue that these prophecies were written after the fact.

And then we get something that predates the events so that we can know for sure these are actual prophecies. These are things that happen beforehand. Does that at least make sense to you?

Yeah. And again, I wouldn't argue that the verses and Isaiah was at 53.

Well, I'm not even just arguing that because, I mean, Isaiah is filled with a lot of prophecy.

Sure. I mean, I wouldn't argue that those are written after the fact to show fulfillment in Jesus. That's I think they were written well before the time of Jesus.

Matthew 24, the Coming of the Son of Man, and the First Century

OK. We have a question that came in for you, actually. D is saying, what is the main reason for Chris's unbelief or doubt?

I mean, prophecy is one. I would say what, you know, kind of what I would like to kind of emphasize is the second coming. I think that it's pretty clear throughout the New Testament that the writers predicted and foresaw Jesus returning in the first century.

OK. And that didn't happen. And the second coming. So so what passage?

I'm going to assume I know it's passage, but which passage are you referring to that would say that Jesus came in the first century?

Well, Jesus didn't return in the first century. That's that's the argument. But we predicted that he would come in the first century. Yeah. Where was that prediction? So that's in Matthew 24. OK. So if we were to look out the New Testament, pretty much every writer is writing with the expectation that Jesus is imminent and right at the door and coming in any minute, any hour.

OK. And that's Paul's writings as well. In fact, I would argue that Paul expected to be alive when Jesus was going to return.

So I'm just trying to find the exact verse, but I'm sure it is where it says it refers to. I'm going to assume at least Matthew 24, 34, where he is. Truly, truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until these things take place.

Would that be what you're referring to? Right. That would be a good starting point.

OK. So what we have here in in verse 34, the question is, which generation is he referring to? Is he referring to the generation standing in front of him? Or as we see within the context of this, could this be the generation that sees all the things he described?

So, in other words, in Matthew 24, he talks about all the signs that that's actually, I believe, in verse one, if I look right when he's talking to the disciples about the temple. And because I believe that.

Yes. In verse three. We almost we almost were able to get a shot to answer your question.

I would say he's talking about that generation and he's talking about the generation that all these things will happen.

Yeah. So the question that's asked is in verse three, it says, and he was sitting on the Mount of Olives. The disciples came to him privately saying, tell us, when will these things happen and what will be the sign of your coming and of that age?

And so Jesus answers that with a bunch of signs. And he says, truly, truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away is now verse 34 until these things take place. When I look at this, it seems to indicate it's the generation that sees the signs that will not pass away.

And so I would argue that that generation may or may not have occurred yet. I mean, it may be our generation, but it could be a future generation. But my understanding of that text would be to show that Jesus gives a bunch of signs that are going to occur.

And the generation that sees those signs, when those signs begin, it's one generation before he returns.

And so it wasn't what I would argue is the first generation.

So you, would you argue that all the signs...

First century generation.

Would you argue that all the signs of Matthew 24 have already occurred then?

Yes, everything up to the coming in the clouds.

Okay. Now you got me here. So you believe that Jesus already came in the clouds?

No, everything up to the coming in the clouds. So everything up to the final judgment. Occurred. So the destruction of the temple in 70 AD occurred, right? Everything leading up to that occurred. Earthquakes, famines, rumors of wars.

All those things are documented by Josephus in the Jews.

So what I don't understand, can I just ask this question, Chris? I mean, you're an unbeliever, right? But you're trying to interpret the Bible to believers.

If you want to look at it that way.

I think he's trying to understand what the Bible actually is saying.

Would that be accurate, Chris? I don't think the Bible is just for believers. The Bible is literature. It's a written document that can be interpreted thousands of different ways.

Well, and that's probably where we would differ. Because if you pick up a book at the store or the library, you read the book for what the authorial intent is. And there's not thousands of ways to interpret a book.

There's one correct way. And it's the way that the author intended for it to be. Sure, I agree. And so we would say the Bible is the exact same way. That there's one proper interpretation of that Bible.

And so the question is, which one is that proper interpretation?

Well, let me ask you, are you familiar with Flavius Josephus' writing? Yes, yeah. Okay, so have you read that he documented all these things having occurred?

Yeah, and many of those things, I mean, what we see in Matthew 24, I'm almost tempted to read most of it just so we get context. But a lot of it has been throughout history, right? We have heard of rumors of wars almost always, right?

You know, you look, I would say even in this country, in America, where we don't go to war often, and yet we were involved in, other than the four years of Donald Trump, you got to go way back before there wasn't a president that had some conflict, where there was some rumor of war.

You know, so we, even as Americans, our 200 years of history have been involved in that. So some of these things have always been, and I think my interpretation I would agree with that.

Any generation can probably find the majority of these things, or at least interpret the majority of these things in their context.

Good, okay, and that's where I think you and I would agree, because I think what Jesus does here with some of these is give something that's so general that every generation would expect that now could be the time.

Because I do believe that that's what a main part of what Jesus is trying to indicate, is that any time could be the time. This isn't the first time that the disciples asked the question of when the end times were going to come, and you're hearing the fireworks.

I don't know if that's fireworks or lightning. I'm trying to figure that out.

I think it's probably Epcot on the other side of the building.

But these verses are in context to the destruction of the temple. So these are specifically set within that context of the first century. And if you read Luke's version, it's even more clear.

And yet the temple doesn't show up in the passage. So how do you come to the conclusion?

Well, the surrounding, if you read Luke's version, the surrounding of the armies, and they were taken by the sword, and they were led off, and that's exactly what Josephus documents.

Well, yeah, but just because there's similarities doesn't mean it's the exact prophecy. Right? I mean, I could give you, and I'm trying to remember the name of the book offhand. I don't remember it offhand.

But there was a book written prior to the sinking of the Titanic, actually prior to the creation of the Titanic, and it talked about a great ship that sank after striking an iceberg, and that many lives were lost.

And I forget the name of the book, and I think the ship was called the Great Titan or something. It was a fictional book. And there were a lot of similarities between that and what happened with the Titanic.

But that wasn't a prophecy of the Titanic. It was never seen as a prophecy. So just because there's similarities doesn't make it that that's the fulfillment of the prophecy.

So and the abomination of desolation, which originally applied to the time of the Maccabees, but is also being applied by Jesus to the Roman.

Okay. So there, when you have one of the things we often see with prophecy is the fact that you have usually a near term and long term prophecy. And there's a reason for that. You take, for example, the prophecies of Daniel.

There's things that Daniel prophesied that occurred within his lifetime. And there's things that were well beyond his lifetime. And there's reason for that. If Daniel prophesies that something is going to happen and, you know, that doesn't happen, then you know that the long term prophecy isn't going to happen either.

He's a false prophet and you stone him. And so that's one of the reasons many of the prophets would give both a near term and long term prophecy. So you could see that the near term occurred accurately.

Therefore, the long term will as well. Does that at least make sense to you?

It does. But so if you look at the beginning of Matthew 24, one. The context is about the temple, correct?

No, that's just that is where they giving details of where they came out of. It says Jesus came out from the temple and was going away with his disciples and came to the point to point out the temple buildings to him.

It says, and he said to them, do you not see? Do you not see all these things? Truly, I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another which will not be thrown down. So he was coming out of the temple.

Having a discussion about the temple, but then it says, and as he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, so he he he left the temple, has that discussion. And now the rest of the discussion is later.

Now, though, we read this overlooking the temple because the Mount of Olives was a location where and that was a location where a lot of prophetic and time prophecies were predicted. Correct. Right. And he's talking about the temple.

He's talking about one stone not being left upon that. OK, so that portion, I would agree.

The first couple of verses. But it would be like if I was to write a book about your life, Chris, and I mentioned something that happened when you were 12 years old and then skip the sun happened at 15 years old.

Within the writing, it's very short, right? It's and that's what we see here, because you see him coming out of the temple, having the discussion as they come out of the temple, and then they get to the Mount of Olives.

That's not a I've walked that walk before. That's going to that's going to take at least a couple of hours to get there, to over to where they are in the Mount of Olives. That's not an easy walk because you're going uphill.

And so you're you're assuming that these two separate conversations are tied together.

So who who would be the audience that he's talking to? Oh, good question.

Matthew 24. The scriptures tell us in verse three, as he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. So notice all the use.

In the following verses, he's talking directly to the disciples, saying that you will see these things. You will be involved in these things. So he's setting the context. He's not saying you, as in 2000 years later, general reader, he's saying you, as in the person I'm talking to, i .e. the disciples will be saying these things.

He's telling them they have a direct involvement in what's going to occur here. So if you look at verse four. If you look at nine. At that time, they will deliver you up to punishment and put you to death.

And so you you believe that he's speaking directly to the disciples, the disciples.

OK, if we were in a conversation and I kept using you the pronoun you write. It would be referring to there would be no other way to interpret that other than I'm talking to you and referring that these events are going to occur to you.

And I think if there is confusion about the generation, if you go to Matthew 23, 33, Matthew's talking to the Pharisees and the scribes and he makes it very clear he's talking about their generation in in Matthew 23, 33.

That says you serpents, you brood of vipers. How will you escape the sentence of hell? Right.

And therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes. Some of them you will kill and crucify. Some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city. And upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth from this blood of righteous able to the blood of Zachariah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

Truly, I tell you, all these things shall come upon this generation. And he's talking to the scribes and the Pharisees. And there's actually a parable about the tenants where he tells them that and they actually understand the purpose of his parable and they know it's directed at them, right?

Yes. Correct.

So he's directing a judgment towards them in the first century, not a judgment on some future generation of people. Yeah. And so. I can also point you to when he's carrying the crucifix or I believe it's when the crucifix being carried for him and the women come up to him and he tells them that they say they want to weep for him and he says, no, weep for your daughters.

And he refers to them, actually, that there is an impending judgment coming, which is the judgment on Jerusalem, but also the final judgment.

Revelation, the Son of Man on the Clouds, and Second Coming Language

Let me and I was going to make a comment, but I see Cole's comment here and Cole is backstage, so I'm going to bring. I'm going to bring Cole in and let him ask his question. So what are the statements more of a statement?

You're right. It was kind of a statement there. But what do you what do you think of where the book of Revelation fits in the timeline according to in in relation to the temple being destroyed? Because the book of Revelation is, in my in my opinion, beforehand, because I can my comment there is like it talks about things that were are and will be.

Yet there's no mention of the temple being destroyed at that time.

In that book, are you asking me? Yeah, exactly. So, you know, I've heard Revelation being dated prior to 70 AD and for like 96 AD in the time of.

So you think the book of Revelation came after the temple. Right.

The destruction. Yeah, I would think it probably comes. But there's a verse in the beginning of Revelation where it talks about Jesus coming again in judgment on the clouds, similar to the verses in Matthew.

And it says those who who pierce Jesus will also see him. So, again, referring to those who were alive at the time. We'll be seeing Jesus coming on the clouds. I think it's worse.

I've heard some people while you're looking at a refer to the coming in the clouds. It's it's a it's a very similar language structure to how in the Old Testament judgment came to Israel and the Lord would come in the clouds and he would bring judgment.

So I think that's I think post post millennials take that view quite a bit, I think. And I think historicists also do.

And just for the audio, Chris is looking something up. So I don't want to.

All right. Verse six. This is what passage for Revelation one one six one seven one seven. Yeah. Look, he is coming with the clouds. Every eye will see him, even those who pierced him. And on his account, all the tribes of Earth will wail.

And then interestingly, you have when Jesus appears before the high priest, he actually says to him that he will see the son of man returning on the clouds. And that's when, you know, he gets really pissed off and rips his garment and basically says he needs to be put to death.

So he's actually saying directly to Caiaphas that he will see him coming on the clouds. Don't you? So another another, you know, direct you will have to be alive to see me come.

Well, I would agree with that because that him being angry and also for thinking Second Temple Judaism and that verbiage of judgment. That's pretty to them, I would say. And I agree with a lot of the opinions I've heard of people that have studied that old Old Testament stuff and even the contemporary writings around them, that that verbiage is repeated over and over for direct judgment of Israel.

And that judgment came at 70 AD. So and with the way Revelation is, you know, contextualized where John is told to write things that are or things that were things that are things that will be, I would fit in that context some of that.

Yeah, and I think, you know, that's a good. Initially, I thought a lot of those verses could refer to the coming of judgment on Jerusalem. But I've come to think for a while now, much differently, that these are second coming.

And the reason why, if you read Luke, Luke makes the passage about the son of man coming on the clouds well after he talks about that, the verse about that they'll be put to the sword and they'll be taken to the around all the nations basically as slaves.

So he makes that verse clear that the son of man comes well after the destruction of the temple, which then puts that as a second coming. And not as the other problem with saying it's part of the destruction of the temple is who saw Jesus coming on the clouds at the destruction of the temple.

Now you get into, like, the partial preterist view where you're talking about some invisible Jesus.

Well, most people hold to a partial preterist view. It's the full preterist view that would be an issue to say everything was done by 70 AD. But I think Cole's point is the fact that we have the book of Revelation after the temple, and yet many of the things described in Matthew are also described in Revelation as still future after the destruction of the temple, meaning that it couldn't have referred to the destruction of the temple.

My position is that Revelation was written before because there's no direct reference to it.

Okay, so you believe... I don't have an issue with dating it before or after. I mean, my opinion is it was probably written after, but I don't. I mean, it doesn't. I think it's written with the intention.

If you look at, like, again, the language of the seven churches, if you look at the language, like, if you pick the one written to Philadelphia, that's, again, telling that a judgment's coming upon the whole world and that they're going to be saved from that judgment.

And he says he's coming soon. So it's another language, which, again, takes it away from a context of just a judgment on Jerusalem, because the whole world is not just a localized judgment. So, again, this is second coming kind of language.

But he says it's coming soon.

So, okay, I just I have to have a I have to add this question. Let me just thank Cole.

Cole, I'll put you backstage for a bit. If you have more questions, come on back in.

So just to be clear, I'm still not Post Mill. This is a stevia pop for soda, not a beer. Not that I'm against alcohol, just saying. Okay, so and it's orange flavor, too. It is zero calories. Zero calories.

Zero sugar, so it tastes... Made out of stevia. It is fantastic. It's okay, Chris. I mean, I want to kind of get to the bottom line because we could we could go over scripture all night long.

But I think that's what's important to go. Yeah, I think.

Yeah. But let's say let's say that that your position's wrong. Andrew's position is right. Okay. Do you repent at that moment of what your trust in Jesus Christ?

No, but that's irrelevant to the discussion. I'll see. Let's see. Because if your main goal is just accepting Jesus and forgetting whether. It's true that Jesus is returning or whatever we're discussing, then it just becomes.

Yeah, but I agree that it's pointless to even have any discussion about what scripture says or. I mean. Far from that it's true and we'll just wait and.

Well, I mean, OK, so this is an apologetic show. And so, you know, I want to speak to everybody listening tonight and that I'll be listening on the podcast later. I mean, this is a very common occurrence when when Andrew's out evangelizing and evangelizing, others are evangelizing.

Is that which we're hoping to get to a little bit later? Chris came in. But we want to tell you some some of the evangelism we've been doing this week.

We've got some great evangelism so far. I mean, every night's been great. But the point is, is that I have run across people for years now. And it's probably hundreds, if not more than that, that have said, you know what?

I just there's just not enough evidence for Jesus. It's somehow some way. That's what it boils down to. There's not enough evidence where they have different parts of the Bible they don't believe in. Or there's there's too many question marks for the Bible.