Owen Strachan's HUGE Admission About G3 Speech, Blasphemy Laws - #ChristianNationalism

All right everybody, welcome back to the channel. I thought since yesterday went so well, and it really did in my opinion, that we just do part two today, okay?

So no promises, I'm not going to finish the whole thing necessarily, we'll see how it goes, but I'm definitely doing a part two today, so I hope that you find it helpful.

Now, if you are on Twitter and you follow me, maybe you saw I did like a three -part video series of tweets about Puerto Rican kinism that I think you'll find very interesting.

It actually talks about a very specific part of Owen's presentation that I find weird, but I think you'll like it.

And in that video, excuse me, I found out that this dude over here, the interviewer, his name is

John Root, and he was at least allegedly formerly of Turning Point USA, which is why

I wouldn't know who he was, because I don't listen to TPUSA, obviously. But I guess he got fired, this is the guy who got fired for pointing out with an air of concern, you might say, in a good way, we use concern as a dirty word on this channel, but in a good way, about the show

The Chosen hiring homosexuals to produce the show, and he got fired allegedly over that.

I don't really know a whole lot about the story, I didn't watch The Chosen, so who knows. But if that's true, and he got canceled for that, hats off to you, man, good job.

Good job indeed. He had seen the video yesterday, and he got really upset about the first part where I said he had white guilt.

It was just a joke, obviously. But John, if you didn't watch the rest of the video,

I was actually very complimentary of the job you did here, and I gotta say,

I mean, it makes perfect sense that you would get canceled for doing something good, so hats off to you, man.

But I will say this, and in the Twitter threads that kind of went out, he mentioned that he would be at the

Fight Laugh Feast conference, and I gotta say, John, I'm looking forward to meeting you. Stop by my company's booth.

It's Covenant Recruiter is my company. I've got a booth there and all of that kind of thing, so stop by, but just make sure, if you stop by, make sure to wear the hoodie blazer combo, or I might not be able to remember who you are, because, to be honest, all you guys look the same to me.

It's as simple as that. I can't tell the difference between you guys. It's very difficult, and just to kind of illustrate my point,

I just randomly chose, just randomly. This is completely random. I randomly chose three white guys to compare here, and seriously, can you tell the difference between this guy and this guy?

Look at this. Identical. I mean, it's helpful that this guy's wearing glasses, but maybe this guy wears glasses.

These guys are identical. How do you guys do it? I don't understand you guys.

You all look the same, and then we've got John here, and honestly, his hair is a lot more flowing than these guys, and I think if you took that out, he would look very similar to this guy, but he does have a slightly different look.

I don't think that if I was just meeting him for the first time, I'd be able to tell it wasn't him. You know, this is

Scott and Neil. This is Andy Woodward. I mean, these guys are identical, but then this one, I think

I might be able to tell, but I'm not 100 % sure in a pressure situation that I'd be able to remember, oh, that's

John and not Andy, so what I did was I went on Google, and I just typed in basic white guy, and this is the picture

I got. I mean, how? I'm serious. How do you guys tell each other apart?

You guys look identical to me. Anyway, I think we've had enough of that.

Oh, man. Please resist the urge to do the thing where it's like, imagine if the situation were reversed.

I mean, that doesn't work on anybody anymore. So anyway, let's jump right into it. We just got done talking about, well, you know,

I don't really remember, so let's just go into it. It's a picture of the gospel. And I want to pull up that specific quote that you had from the pre -conference.

It's just so crazy. Obviously, the world that we live in, that you say pretty basic truths.

It's like, I can't believe how controversial that is. You said,

God does not merely, God does not love a merely white church in America.

He loves a global people of all backgrounds and tribes. Yeah. So I remember when, so I have watched a little bit of this ahead of time.

Normally, I don't do that. But in this case, I had seen a little bit of this conversation already. And I remember when

I heard John, I didn't know it was John at the time, but when I heard John ask that question,

I had a lot of sympathy for him because it's very clear that John just accepted what

Owen said about, you know, Stephen's book and stuff like that. And unfortunately for John, you know,

Owen just flat out lied to him a lot. Not just him. I mean, I'm talking about the whole pre -conference.

He lied to the whole pre -conference. And so you got to have some sympathy for the questions that he's asking here because, you know, if Owen's to be believed, then this really does need to be said that God does not merely love a white church in America.

And it's like, we've talked about this already. There's literally nobody, literally nobody who would disagree with that statement.

That statement did not need to be said. That basic truth is not challenged by anyone of any consequence.

And I'm serious. I'm not even just, it's not really even hyperbole. Like I'm planning on reaching out to a couple of kinists, like actual kinists, and just talking to them about sort of, you know, their beliefs and things like that.

I don't know a whole lot about kinism, but I do know this, that they would agree with that tweet.

It's not about that God doesn't love the other tribes and nations and ethnicities and things like that.

That's not part of kinism. And so it's just unbelievable that like you got to feel sorry for John to a certain degree.

Now everybody's of course responsible for, you know, knowing the truth for themselves, but he was just lied to at a pre -conference by a man who has credibility.

Owen, for some reason, has credibility in this issue. And he used that credibility to fool people intentionally.

To fool people intentionally. Because I happen to know he's talked to Stephen and Stephen has corrected the record, but Owen clearly has refused to accept it or even acknowledge it in any way.

It's really, it's a shame. And so let's hear what Owen has to say about this. Very controversial,

Owen. I can't believe it. What a horrible thing to say. It's funny because people are calling for church discipline against me for saying these kinds of things.

I'm actually glad you called for that. We're going to do that in front of everybody here on the live stream at the conference. Just lashings.

I can't believe you would say something like that. Who votes for me to be excommunicated? All right, let's do this right now.

It really is backwards though, Johnny, because honestly, if you are kinist and I don't know who is and who isn't in some cases,

I'm warning against a system of thought. This is what I tried to do with wokeness. I'm warning against a system.

There are systems, ideologies that try to take people captive. Colossians 2 .8.

We have seen that happen with so many people we love. So many churches we love. So many movements that were once sound, they've been taken captive by ungodly ideology.

But that's not the only one out there. There are other systems and kinism is one of them and saying that it is wrong at some level to marry across ethnicity or conversely, more positively, it is good for you to, you need to preserve your ethnicity.

These are unbiblical ideas. This is pride talking. This is a new law that is not in the word of God.

This is the only standard there is from God. So I'm ready. They can do whatever they want to me.

They can say whatever they want about me. I stand for the gospel, creating a global church.

And I wasn't saying... So it's just unbelievable to me. Like, he pretends, and again, he's convinced

John to do this as well. He pretends that the pushback and the calls for church discipline, of course

I've never called for church discipline for him, but some people I guess have, at least that's what he says. I really don't trust him anymore, but I'll take him for his word for that.

It wasn't about the statement, that the statement was wrong. It was the lie attached to the statement, because the lie attached to the statement was that guys like Stephen Wolfe are kinists.

Guys who, like we talked about in the last episode, explicitly reject it. So it's like, that's the lie attached to the statement.

It's like, this needs to be said, come what may, and it's very performative, and all that kind of thing.

And it didn't need to be said. Nobody disagrees with it. So it's not about the statement itself. Everybody agrees, and that's the problem.

Everybody agrees, but you're pretending like there are people. And then he tries to hedge by saying,

I don't know who's kinist or not. I mean, who knows? I mean, if that's really true, Owen, maybe you need to be a little more careful with what you're saying.

But it's not true, because he just got done calling a bunch of people kinists who weren't kinists. So that's the problem.

That's why they're calling for excommunication or church discipline. Again, I'm not doing that, but that's why they're doing it.

It's not about the statement. It's about the lie attached to the statement. And the example I use is, let's say

I put a picture of Owen Strawn up here, and I started railing against pedophiles and saying, you know, secret pedophiles will not be tolerated in the church.

Come what may, no matter what anybody says. Like, you would understand what I was doing. I was trying to connect Owen Strawn to pedophilia, and that would be a lie.

I mean, I have no evidence that Owen Strawn is a pedophile. But if that's what I was doing, in context, you'd be like, oh, well, that's kind of messed up.

That's what we're talking about, because nobody would disagree that the church has no room for pedophiles. That would be a true statement.

But if I'm connecting it in context to you, Owen, that would be a big problem. And we'd all understand that that was a problem.

So stop pretending. Stop pretending. And then secondly, you know, he says, you know, it's both unbiblical to forbid interethnic marriage and then to say that it's good to preserve your ethnicity.

I got to be honest with you, Owen. Again, you're using this, like, dichotomy here. One is not like the other.

It really isn't. One is not like the other. Now, if they were to say something like, you know, you have no choice, like the law of God says you must marry another white person if you're white, or you must marry another, that would be the same thing as the interethnic marriage thing.

But that's not what they're saying. A lot of these people are saying, you know, it's good and right, and there's everything fine about wanting to marry in order to preserve your cultural heritage or your ethnicity or things like that.

And I got to be honest, Owen, I'd be very interested to hear your biblical evidence against that, that that's somehow not fine.

That's not okay. That's not good or anything like that, because that's what you seem to be saying, that it's not okay to do that.

Like, if I just so happen to marry another white person and I'm white, that's okay. But if I seek out to marry another white person for the purposes of preserving my traditions and my culture and having white children and stuff like that, that that's somehow evil,

I'd be very interested to hear you make that case. It doesn't make any sense.

And furthermore, we do carry over a lot of these laws from the nation of Israel, which was most certainly not allowed to intermarry.

I think everyone would agree with that. They were not allowed to intermarry in Israel. It was a religious thing, of course, a cultural thing.

We understand that. But we do carry that over because, you know, it is required for a

Christian, if they're seeking a partner, you know, a wife, a husband, you know, come what may, that they marry a believer.

They're not to be unequally yoked. They're not to be unequally yoked. Why do you think that is?

It's because there's something about the religion, about the culture of Christianity that God wants us, in fact, commands us to preserve.

So these things are... He puts these two things up as they're equally evil, and maybe they're evil even for the same reason.

In fact, in the beginning, he said they're both partiality. I don't think so. I don't think so.

You're going to have to do a lot more work than just asserting it to prove that. And I just don't think you can, because I'm thinking about the

Scripture, and I know the law of God very well. I don't think you'll be able to do that. ...saying

there that people have said the church is only supposed to be composed of white people.

But I'm drawing a line to warn people against an ideology that's real. All right, let's do something more spicy.

Hold on a second. The church is only supposed to be...

Hold on. ...need to preserve your ethnicity. These are unbiblical ideas.

This is pride talking. This is a new law that is not in the Word of God. This is the only standard there is from God.

So I'm ready. They can do whatever they want to me. They can say whatever they want about me.

I stand for the gospel creating a global church. And I wasn't saying there that people have said the church is only supposed to be composed of white people.

But I'm drawing a line to warn people against an ideology that's real. Yeah. So there he just admits that it's performative.

He just admitted it did not need to be said. So all of you foolish people out there, they're acting foolish.

I'm sorry, you're not foolish people. A lot of you are very smart. Acting foolish about this particular quotation.

It needs said. This needed to be said. He just got sane and admitting it did not need to be said.

He said, I'm not saying there's anyone out here saying this. But I'm drawing a line in the sand.

So if there's nobody out there saying it, okay, I guess you can go ahead and draw the line in the sand if you want.

But it obviously does not need to be done because it certainly seems like we're all respecting that line already.

But I gotta be honest, Owen, that sounds like backtracking to me because you don't seem like a guy that wastes his words or at least intentionally wastes his words.

You waste a lot of words. Nobody's out there saying it, but here

I stand. I can do no other. He just admitted it.

It did not need to be said. Why did he say it? I'll let you decide because I don't know what is going on in his heart.

I have some thoughts. All right, let's do something more spicy.

Owen, blasphemy laws. Honest thoughts about that and that being pushed here within the Christian nationalism debate.

I'm a pretty serious free speech guy. So I don't think that we are setting up a new

Israelite theocracy in America. I don't think we have any New Testament, New Covenant call to that.

So I hate blasphemy of God. But I recognize, you have to recognize that any law that you set can be used against you.

And so I would not be an advocate of strong blasphemy laws. I would be an advocate of free speech.

That's not because I think that's a small thing. What I want the church to do is get out there and be a witness in the world and take the

Great Commission seriously and make disciples by proclaiming Christ, speaking the truth in love,

Ephesians 4 .15. So I'm not a blasphemy law advocate in the sense that we set up a

Christian nation and now Christianity rules the day. I don't think that's what we are called to institute and establish in this era.

We are, if we get in public office, we want Christians, salt and light. We want them governors and presidents and prime ministers and statesmen and etc.

and so on. We want all of that. And when they're in office, we want them to craft good law.

We want good law. We want the restraint of evil. But you have to be very careful with these kind of things because we don't want to create a formalized

Christianity where you're thought to be Christian just by virtue of living somewhere or being in a certain family, being in a

Christian family. You are not a Christian if you are born into a Christian family. Some may say that.

Some we love may argue along those lines. You are only a Christian when you are born again by God's grace as a believer.

So we want to protect that in the home and also in society. All right. So I'm not going to take the

Presbyterian versus Baptist bait at the end there. That's a different topic and whatever.

You guys know how I feel about that. Blasphemy laws. We're going to talk a lot more about blasphemy laws because I think it's such a good example of the kind of thing that really needs to be thought through a little bit better.

He says, I hate blasphemy. Well, I'm sure he does, but he does not hate it enough.

He does not hate it enough. That's the bottom line. And then he says, we got to remember that anything we do can be used against us.

This is one of the most tired neocon type talking points that needs to be completely beaten to dust.

It is garbage. It doesn't make any sense. Number one, there's so many reasons, but let me just give you a few off the top of my head.

Number one, they're already using the power against us. They're already doing it.

People often will say, we already have blasphemy laws. And it's true. We cannot blaspheme the

LGBTQ gods and things like that. We cannot blaspheme that kind of stuff, the things on the leftist side.

They're already using power against us. But furthermore, take that nonsense to its logical conclusion.

We got to remember, they might use it against us. At that point, you're ceding use of any power because any power can be used against us.

Christians have to get over this idea that using power is somehow anti -Christian or not godly or un -Christ -like.

Christian magistrates, he says, oh, we should have good laws. That's right. We should have good laws. Everybody agrees with that,

Owen, of course. We should have good laws based on God's morality. And then we have to have the will.

We have to have the unction. We have to have the ability and willingness to use the power that we have.

Whatever sphere we have that power, we have to have the unction and the will.

Is unction the right word? I don't know. I went to public school to enforce that because it's not enough to have good laws.

You have to have the will to enforce it. You have to have the will to actually use the power that you have to do what must be done according to God's law.

That's the thing. That's the whole point. Because the Constitution, I've said this many times, is great.

And he says, oh, I'm a big free speech guy. Yeah, I mean, sure you are. You're a modern version of free speech guy.

I'm an original version of free speech guy where we understood that blaspheming the Lord, that didn't count.

That didn't count. But the point is, the Constitution's great, but it's meaningless if you refuse to enforce it.

And you say stupid things like, well, if we enforce it, then they might enforce it against us. It's like, let them do what they think they have to do.

We got to do what we got to do. We have to get rid of that whole tired idea.

Oh, they're going to use their power again. They already are. They already are.

And we have been unwilling to do the same, which is why we are in the situation that we're in.

Here's the thing, guys. And I'm not going to say too much about this because this is not about, we're going to do an episode on blasphemy laws.

But you got to think about the home, right? Like he says, I don't want this formalized

Christianity that everyone thinks they're a Christian when they're not, right? I think he actually just kind of gave us the argument there because then he kind of relates that to the home.

You're not a Christian just because you were born into a Christian family. Okay. Okay. That's right.

But here's the point. Let's say I agree with you. I don't, but let's say I agree with you, right?

And I've got my four sons here and only one of them, let's just say has been born again.

The other three, they're just pagans under my roof, right? Do I install a blasphemy law in my house as the father?

Do I allow my allegedly pagan children to blaspheme Christ under my roof?

And do I say, well, I can't, I can't not, I have to allow them to blaspheme Christ because if I did, that would be some kind of formalized religion and they would start to think they're

Christian when they're not. And so I'm just going to let them curse Christ's name because they're not born again yet.

Is that how it would work under my roof? Absolutely not.

Absolutely not. Whether my sons claim Christ or not, under my roof, they will not be blaspheming

Christ. And if they want to go blaspheme Christ, they can get out of here.

That's how every father would work. I think Owen would do the same thing, right? And again, I don't agree with Owen's fundamental premise there that his kids are just pagans before they're born again.

But I think that Owen would do the same thing. You know, he's got an eight -year -old son who's not converted yet, hypothetically.

I don't know anything about Owen's family life. I'm just, it's hypothetical. And his son blasphemes

Christ. He would come down on that son. He would discipline his son, right? And rightfully so because in this house, we honor the, this is a

Christian household. We're a Christian family and I organize it as a Christian family.

And that just because you don't claim Christ, you still have to go by my Christian rules. Why does he do that?

Why would he do that? Why would Owen want that to happen? Well, because the law is a tutor, right?

The law is a tutor. We need to put some respect on the name of Jesus Christ.

We need to, it needs to be different than other words and other names.

In this household, we revere Christ. I don't care if you claim him or not.

In this household, his name will be holy. It will be revered.

It will be respected. It will be feared. And that's kind of the point, you know, in society.

That's kind of the point of blasphemy laws. I was talking at the conference the other day, at John Harris's conference, the

TruthScript conference, with some people at the lunch table. And we were talking about this to some degree.

And it's like, I don't envision, and I think, you know, I like the Constitution, so I think states could differ on this, right?

It's not going to come down from the federal government on high. I don't envision that. That's not how I would prefer it.

I mean, of course, it doesn't mean it's completely evil if that happened, but I'm just saying, like, I don't envision it that way. I think each state could kind of land differently here.

But I would say that, like, this would not include, like, secret police, you know, kind of coming into our lunch table and saying, oh, is he blaspheming

Christ? Does he have correct documents? Not like that. The kind of stuff that would be banned would be like that art project.

Have you heard of this? They call it the Piss Christ, where they take a crucifix and they put it in urine and feces and stuff.

And the whole intention of the art is to desecrate the name of Christ, is to blaspheme

Christ. That's the whole point of it. It's public, it's proud, it's out there. That would be banned, and that should be banned.

That should not be tolerated in a moral society. It's as simple as that.

It's as simple as that. Why? Not because we're trying to pretend people are Christian that aren't, but the nation will be run according to God's morality.

The civil governing authority will promote what is good and will punish evildoers. And to blaspheme

Christ's name like that is most certainly an evildoer. That will be banned. We need to make sure that the name of Christ is different than other names, is revered, is holy, is feared, because the law is a tutor.

Because the law is a tutor. You ever see that episode of, or an episode, excuse me, that movie

Home Alone? I'm sure you've seen it. You know, there's one point where the two criminals are chasing

Kevin, and Kevin runs into the church, right? He runs into the church.

And these criminals, they don't care about anything. I mean, they're just degenerates, right?

And what do they say? Do you remember what they say? They say, I'm not going in there.

You remember that? I'm not going in there, because yeah, me either. They don't want to go in there.

And there's certainly an implication. It's not because there might be other people there. It's because that's

God's place. That place is holy ground. They're not going to go in there.

They had respect, at least a certain amount of respect, for the place where God's name is proclaimed.

They feared it. You could see there was fear. I'm not going in there. The name of Christ should be that way as well.

Anyway, so I didn't mean to get into all that. I didn't mean to get into all that. And this is the thing, guys. What I just said is it's not controversial, really, in the grand scheme of Christian history.

It's only recently where we decided that a fundamental human right was the right to blaspheme

Christ publicly. That's just—I dare you to try to defend that biblically.

Owen just got done saying this. He held his Bible up. I'll hold my phone up, because I read the

Bible often on my phone. This is the only standard we have. He just got done saying that.

He was very proud of himself. And I've got to be honest, Owen. I was proud of you too, because that's true. This is the standard we have.

I dare you to look at the Bible. There's an app in here. There's some digital Bibles in here.

And come out with—it's a fundamental human right that we have, the ability to speak against Christ publicly, to blaspheme

Christ publicly. You didn't get that from the scripture, Owen. You didn't.

In fact, every word that would talk about this would give you the opposite impression.

And then when you add on to that just the absolute— the Protestant, the

Reformed traditional documents, you know, Calvin and all these kind of guys, these giants of our faith, it just adds more fuel to my side of this, not yours.

Yours is novel. I'm a big believer in free speech. Where did you get that from the scripture?

I like free speech too. But where did you get this weird view of free speech that makes it all of a sudden uber important, lest we betray our morality, that someone can blaspheme

Christ with impunity? At least, you know, civil impunity. We all know that nobody gets away with it completely.

What we're saying, guys, is really not that controversial.

I recommend that you get Stephen Wolf's book. Even if you don't read the book, forget that.

Get the book anyway and look at the citations. Go to the places where he cites, you know,

Reformed Protestant greats, right? Go to all the original sources.

You're going to find that what we're saying here is not controversial. The opposition has essentially taken what they learned in elementary school about civics.

I'm not even trying to insult them because we're all in this position. We all learned this way. Look, I'm a

Yankee. I grew up in Connecticut. I learned this way about the essential separation between church and state, meaning that we cannot use our morality.

I've learned it all. I know what they learned. They've taken what they learned in elementary school and now are using that as a basis to call you evil, really.

Call you immoral for seeking to pursue

Christian morality, Christian principles, Christian jurisprudence in our nation.

It's ahistorical. It's unbiblical. It rejects so much of the

Reformation. I've got to be honest with you. We need to figure out a way to communicate that to regular people.

You know what I mean? John Rue, I've got so much sympathy for you, man. So far in this interview, you've done a great job.

Like I said last time, you were lied to by Owen. And again, not personally, but just as part of that conference, what you heard there was not the truth.

And I hope, John, that you have the integrity. It seems like you do, man. It really does.

I hope you have the integrity to hear out the other side with fairness and with a mind that is not, you know, kind of pre -poisoned.

Because that's what Owen sought to do and successfully did for many people. Poisoned the well enough that you don't even feel like you need to talk to us.

You don't even feel like you need... And I'm not talking public conversations. I'm talking just man -to -man as a person.

You don't even need to talk to us because we're evil racists. We're white supremacists, Nazis, neo -Nazis, kinists. I hope that you haven't allowed your mind to be poisoned that much.

It sounds like, from what I've heard of you since, you know, Hoodiegate, it sounds like you're not that kind of guy to allow yourself to get poisoned in that way.

And for that, I am grateful. In any case, I hope you found this video helpful.