November 26, 2019 Show with Marty Machowski on “God Made Boys & Girls: Helping Children Understand the Gift of Gender”

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Marty Machowski and the Mission of Covenant Fellowship Church

Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania. Lake City, Florida. And the rest of humanity living on the planet earth. Or listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron radio .com. This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Tuesday on this 26th day of November 2019.

And I'm thrilled to have a first-time guest today who is going to be discussing a vital issue. His name is Marty muchowski. He is family life pastor at Covenant Fellowship Church in Glen Mills, Pennsylvania Where he has served on the pastoral staff for over 30 years and he's author of a children's book.

We are going to be discussing today. God made boys and girls helping children understand the gift of gender. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to iron sharpens iron radio Marty muchowski.

Thanks for having me on your program Chris. It's an honor to be here and.

Before we have you give a summary of your own personal salvation testimony which is something that we have as a tradition here in our interprets on radio. Whenever we interview a first-time guest we have that guest give a summary of The providential circumstances the Lord used in that individual's life To draw them to himself and save them.

But before we do that, why don't you tell our listeners about Covenant Fellowship Church in Glen Mills, Pennsylvania.

That was in 1984 and we met for a long time in a local community center until around 1999. We purchased land in Glen Mills and we're able to Build a facility. We have been here ever since preaching the gospel Making the gospel our primary message and we are blessed by God to have People come through our doors who are eager to hear that message.

One of the things that God blessed us with in particular is a great program. We call bridge where we invite unbelievers in on Wednesday nights to simply understand the basic truth of Christianity. And it has been amazing to see how many people coming from really difficult backgrounds and situations Coming to know the Lord Jesus Christ through the ministry here at our church.

Well, praise God and Folks you could look into this church later on. About the website, which I hope to repeat later on as well is Covfell .org that's C O V F E L org obviously a an abbreviation for Covenant Fellowship Church and We will God willing repeat that later on.

Marty Machowski's Conversion Testimony

So now is the time for you to give us a summary of the religious upbringing you had if any as a child what kind of religious upbringing that was if any and The providential circumstances that our Lord raised up in your life To sovereignly draw you to himself and save you.

Yeah, I'd love to share that.

I grew up a Catholic in a Catholic family and we were very strict Catholics many Catholics today Don't actually practice regular Catholicism, but I was a strict Catholic went to church every Sunday unless of course I was ill and Yet, I found myself searching Not knowing what the purpose of my life was between my junior and senior year of college.

I was a Got a job working in my field for a summer internship down in Aberdeen, Maryland at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds and was living in a town called have a degrade and One morning when I turned the TV on like I did every morning to eat my cornflakes before I went to work I watched the news only this day the only channel I got my little black-and-white TV set.

It was not the news it was a televangelist and He went on to share the gospel and then at the end of his program like you might characteristically imagine Pointed his finger at the TV camera and said and those of you out there in Watching this by way of our broadcast.

God is after you as well. And the thing that he explained to me that I hadn't known before I knew that Jesus Christ died on the cross For sin, but what I didn't know was that Jesus Christ died on the cross for my sin and that truth that God died for me specifically and that was what was going to set me free was something that just Exploded in my mind.

I watched that program every day throughout the Crusades and Somewhere in that week God saved me. I did go back after that summer internship to the Catholic Church. I didn't really know anything different but shortly thereafter God led me to Covenant Fellowship where I began just as a single guy in the congregation and Then it was out of Covenant Fellowship that the Lord called me into ministry and I've been here as my only Christian church my whole life.

Praise God. Mm-hmm. And it's always good to hear a good ending to a story that begins with a televangelist.

The Bible doesn't say televangelist of the power of God for the salvation of the world. They say the gospel is and when they preach gospel things happen, right? Amen.

Yes, and of course there are Wonderful televangelists biblically faithful televangelists televangelists and radio evangelists in Amidst the sea of heretics and charlatans. So we cannot discount and should not discount them all or lump them all together because there are Many wonderful men in the pulpit who have their services broadcast and their sermons broadcast such as one of my heroes of the faith John MacArthur and I could go on and on and on with the list of Wonderful men and being in the radio industry most of my adult life.

I am thankful to God that I enabled radio stations to Continue on in their their activities airing the sermons of such men as dr MacArthur and RC Sproul and Joel Beakey and many others. Before I have you begin on Your description of this book this very important book that we are addressing today.

A Biblical Resource for Teaching Children About Gender

I want to read a couple of endorsements for this book and one of them is by my friend that I whom I have known since the 1990s and actually was personally involved in Helping him launch his very first radio program back in the 90s.

Dr. Joel Beakey president of Puritan Reformed Theological Seminary in Grand Rapids, Michigan. He says in our current day children can easily become confused about all kinds of issues That are clearly presented in the scriptures.

Particularly in there if their home church and school do not provide a consistent biblical foundation. Gender issues rank high on the list of areas that children can become Untethered from the Bible teach Bibles teaching this beautiful book Gently teaches children to cherish their God-given gender and to love their neighbor as themselves.

A timely word on A sensitive issue and then we have Jim Daly president of focus on the family Says are you watching the culture's rapid departure from biblical principles and wondering how to address these sensitive issues with your precious children.

Marty muchowski has provided a timely resource to help you in that crucial task. His new book takes a gentle and scriptural look at what God's Word tells us about his design for the two genders. This volume offers parents a terrific way to initiate important discussions with their kids.

And of course the book that these men are raving about is the one that I mentioned in the beginning of the broadcast God made boys and girls Helping children understand the gift of gender now. I am not really aware I mean there could be other books Out on this subject, but to my knowledge.

Anyway, this is the first book That has come across my path That is tackling this very vital issue in in the backdrop of the horrifying things that are going on in our culture where Children are being told that they can actually choose the gender that they want to live by but if you could tell us what was the the catalyst that led you to Writing this book and do you know of any other alternative books that are specifically addressing this?

Well, Chris, I don't know of any other books that address this issue for children and to help parents with their children. I know of some good books that address the topic for adults. I had recently co-worker of mine say, you know Marty you should write a book on gender and I thought well, you know, I know the issue is really severe.

I don't know that I'm an expert in that field, but it got me looking and it got me thinking about children and As I did a little research. I was just Shocked at what I was reading. Came across one story in the news of a California teacher who in a kindergarten class had a little boy go back into the back outside the classroom change into a girl's outfit and Come back in and presented the little boy as a little girl to the class and Instructed the class to begin calling him her and this really upset the kids.

And they went home to their parents some of them crying Saying I don't want to be a I don't want to be a boy one little girl said to her mother when parents became outraged over the incident and Reported it to the school district.

The school district sided with the teacher the parents said hey You got to give us warning if you're going to do sex education. It's, California law and They were standing this isn't sex education. This is identity Education to which the parents couldn't believe it a year later.

That teacher was awarded teacher of the year Award, I just couldn't believe it when I read that story About there I saw nothing and I thought our parents need a book to teach their children that Gender is God's good gift that can never change and that's where I began my work to try to write one.

How the Book Is Designed to Protect Young Children from Confusion

Well, uh, tell us about how this book is structured and for instance, I I am hoping and that I'm correct here that it does not Even bring up the issue for children to discover on an Unnecessarily that there are people teaching out there that you can choose any gender that you want.

And obviously this is a subject that perhaps teenagers should hear from from Christian Bible study teachers and pastors and parents because of the fact that it's saturated in the media. Everywhere we go everywhere we look.

But I'm assuming that you keep this controversy away from the minds of children in this book.

Well, I absolutely do because I don't want to add to the confusion. I mean right or do not need to hear that. Some people you know Would suggest that you could change your gender, but that's not true.

I mean, they don't even need that information. Children are not able to. On at this age, you know, I'm I'm reaching kindergarten first second third grade. They're not able to discern those complicated ideas.

They're impressionable. They're like soft clay. You know, whatever puts its mark upon that clay. It remains and so what I wanted to do is well what the FBI did to train its Workers to recognize counterfeit bills.

The first thing they did was not give them counterfeit bills and say hey look these are counterfeit. They caused them to take hours and hours to study the genuine so that if they knew the genuine Perfectly well, they would know the counterfeit when they saw it because it was not genuine.

And so what I'm looking to do here is teach children the biblical truth. That their gender is God's good gift that can never change. And I do that setting it up in a story because children love stories and Children will never know anything about transgender going through the book.

What they'll learn is the truth about gender from the story.

Amen, and who or should I say what age groups? Do you have you intended this book?

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Be read by their parents to. And if I butchered the grammar, please forgive me.

Well, I'll tell you I would say that it's written for like kindergarten through third grade, but I have my first grandson. Zion is about 14 months old and He comes over our house at least once a week.

My daughter lives locally and He absolutely loves the book and we are reading it to him all the time. Now he doesn't understand at one and a half. Well what you know God's good gift and gender and all of that.

But he's he's coming to love the pictures and kids at that age just love for you to read to them. So there's no reason why you couldn't read it to children who are younger. But the the key here is the moment the moment he's old enough to understand.

What is written on these pages? Because we're reading it as a routine in his life he's going to be able to understand the truth on these pages, but it's geared for kindergarten and.

Gender Dysphoria, Sin, and the Roots of Cultural Confusion

Give us some of your own thoughts as Someone who has been involved in Christian leadership for many years several decades. What is your understanding and your position on the Rampant claims and reports.

Growing number of reports that Children, especially have what has been called gender dysphoria they have made claims in the media that scientists are saying that this is a real thing that does not need coaching from parents or From secular society.

These are things that would naturally develop in the minds and lives of children who have this disorder, it's not that their parents or relatives or Society is coaching them and imputing these ideas into their minds But that they are coming forth as if they are a natural progression of Children who have some kind of of a problem.

Do you think that this is the case or do you think that this is basically? sin becoming more rampant because these children are hearing these things discussed and even by their parents and In the media and perhaps their parents.

They don't want to hurt their children's feelings. They don't want their children to feel bad if if the kid happens to come out of the mother's closet, and it's a boy and he's wearing his mother's clothing or something wearing his mother's shoes automatically the rush to a Response to this is all this child must be gender dysphoric and we have to make sure that they are happy and not Traumatized by life.

So we have to go by what they feel and what is your opinion about this?

Well, it's a complicated issue, but what I think is is happening is when you celebrate the gay lifestyle as Normal, the very next question to ask is who am I sexually, you know if. And so so that that's coming up more and more and then when you affirm The confusion of somebody who is left with that question and Even worse when you begin teaching children that it's a choice you're going to end up with a watershed a cascade of Confusion and what I'd like to do is I'd like to separate out the children who are confused.

Who are really victims of a culture gone awry? I'd like to separate them out from the people who are actively pressing forward and pushing for this teaching in schools and doctors that are putting forth theories which are Really underpinning the false teaching that you can pick a gender.

You can select whichever one you want in the kids, you know, you imagine.

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Child in kindergarten in a classroom where the teacher Sends a boy back to get changed into a girl's outfit and comes back and says he's now a girl. You know if one of those other children then Who perhaps has a difficult home life?

Begins to get confused in third grade. I have a lot of compassion for needing to try to Understand what happened in that child's life. I don't have a lot of compassion for the teacher who is pushing forward these false ideals in the classroom.

I think it's just plain wrong and and what I do to explain that. It doesn't surprise me. Actually if you if you look at Romans 1 you see when you Exchange the truth of God for a lie all kinds of aberrant behavior come out from that.

That's the natural result of God giving you over when you reject him to worship the creation and. You know while these folks aren't necessarily Setting up idols and altars in their living rooms. There's a sense in which they've rejected God.

They've put their hope and faith in an evolutionary idea that says Man is at the center of the world because everything was created by chance. So now it's really up to survival by the fittest and men are you know?

Men and women are an ideology. That's so now I cannot help but think.

That many of these parents who are Encouraging their children on this hellish path They know that this idea of gender dysphoria and Everything that is attached to the so-called LGBTQ community this is in vogue.

It's even like it's it's even considered chic and I can't help but think that there are parents that want to call attention to themselves as being heroes of this movement to legitimize Gender dysphoria and to legit legitimize children even choosing their gender as if that were even possible to perhaps even Become celebrities of a kind of some kind not even necessarily global or national celebrities but celebrities in their community.

How heroic they are for Standing behind their children and and subsequently their children being little heroes. Who are pursuing this very tragic direction? Do you think I'm making sense here?

Yeah, I think you are and I think that is happening. You know people who are progressive in their ideas want to showcase them very very often I think. But you know the challenge is for every one person that's trying to showcase this and Supports these ideas being taught.

Or a handful of other parents who are confused, too. They don't know what to do with their kid that just came home and said mom. I know I was born a boy. You called me Joe but my I'm changing my name to Jennifer and I'm now a girl.

It's it's really tough on parents when that happens and then there's a parent in between who aren't really sure what the right thing is. We've got family in my neighborhood whose Daughter is considering a society in this current culture and climate.

The parent is thinking well, what's the right thing to do? Let me support Exploration and so whatever you decide. Honey, that will be good with us when really They need truth in those situations. They need to know no, it's not actually possible to change your gender is immovable.

Biologically, we're gonna give the listeners our email address so that they can respond with questions of their own. If you would like to join us on the air, our email address is chris arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris A-r-n-z-e-n at gmail .com. Please give us at least your first name. Your city and state of residence in your country of residence. If you live outside the USA please only remain anonymous. If your question involves a personal and private matter and obviously I could readily see a discussion on this topic with would Lend itself to people having personal and private questions, perhaps you yourself are experiencing a horrific trial in your family where either your own children or your grandchildren your nephews your nieces are going through confusion about what gender they truly should live by and perhaps people are encouraging them to sin by Adopting the opposite gender as their own.

Whatever the issue is that may be personal and private. We obviously understand that you would prefer to remain anonymous. So we will grant you that request if it is a personal and private question. But if it's a general question please give us at least your first name your city and state and your country of residence if you live outside the USA and Tell us more about the book.

I'm assuming since it's a book for children young children as you said kindergarten through third grade that it's illustrated. Perhaps you could even share with us a bit of information about the illustrator and so on.

Illustrating the Book and Addressing the Real Roots of Confusion

Yeah, it is. You know, I like to begin Particularly with young children. You have children on the school playground it's recess and a little girl named Maya loves the runner and Nobody can really catch her and one of the boys is jealous and he shouts out and he says if you keep playing with the boys, you will turn into a boy and That upsets her and she asked the teacher.

Mr. Ramirez. Is that true? Well, I turn into a boy and Mr. Ramirez replies. No, that's not true. Girl can't turn into boys. God made them girls for life. And then he corrects Lucas For saying an unkind thing.

And then from there Mr. Ramirez says, you know, we're going to go back into the classroom and I'm going to tell you about this issue and he begins teaching Children about gender and he says gender is God's good gift and was created in the image of God and some were made by God to be boys and some were made to be girls and That is fixed for life.

Now, it's interesting that the illustrator for the book was Glad to do the illustrations, but the illustrator refused to have Their name put on the cover because of the controversial nature of this topic.

So right as I was writing this book, I became aware that I was entering into some.

Choppy waters. Oh, I I was not expecting to have that answer come out of you. That's interesting. Well, we don't have that illustrator here nor nor would the illustrator obviously want to be here but to be curious as to the faith if any of this illustrator and why this issue would make them fearful to Not be involved in identifying themselves perhaps just fear of the retaliation that is so common in our culture where those who support the LGBT community so-called I Do not use that phrase approvingly.

I don't believe you can call a group of people who are involved in sin a community logically or appropriately but it is Quite sad to hear that but it is a reality that People have lost careers and have even been physically threatened By those who support this satanic worldview of the LGBT so-called community.

We are going to our first break right now. We do have a couple of listeners with questions and we will get to you as soon as we can. But if you'd like to join us on the air as I said before if you'd like to join us our email address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com Chris Arnson at gmail .com and please as always give us your first name at least your city and state of residence and your country of residence if you live outside the USA and Only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.

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We are now back with our guest today, Marty Machowski, Family Life Pastor at Covenant Fellowship Church in Glen Mills, Pennsylvania. We are discussing his book, God Made Boys and Girls, Helping Children Understand the Gift of Gender.