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This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Tuesday on this 26th

day of November 2019.

And I'm thrilled to have a first -time guest today who is going to be discussing a vital

issue.

His name is Marty muchowski.

He is family life pastor at Covenant Fellowship Church in Glen Mills, Pennsylvania

Where he has served on the pastoral staff for over 30 years and he's author of a

children's book.

We are going to be discussing today.

God made boys and girls helping children understand the gift of gender.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to iron sharpens iron radio Marty muchowski.

Thanks for having me on your program Chris.

It's an honor to be here and.

Before we have you give a summary of your own personal salvation testimony which is something that we

have as a tradition here in our interprets on radio.

Whenever we interview a first -time guest we have that guest give a summary of The

providential circumstances the Lord used in that individual's life To draw them

to himself and save them.

But before we do that, why don't you tell our listeners about Covenant Fellowship Church in Glen Mills, Pennsylvania.

That was in 1984 and we met for a long time in

a local community center until around 1999.

We purchased land in Glen Mills and we're able to Build a facility.

We have been here ever since preaching the gospel Making the gospel our

primary message and we are blessed by God to have People come through our doors

who are eager to hear that message.

One of the things that God blessed us with in particular is a great program.

We call bridge where we invite unbelievers in on Wednesday nights to simply understand the basic truth of

Christianity.

And it has been amazing to see how many people coming from really difficult

backgrounds and situations Coming to know the Lord Jesus Christ through the ministry here at our church.

Well, praise God and Folks you could look into this church later on.

About the website, which I hope to repeat later on as well is Covfell .org

that's C O V F E L org obviously a an abbreviation

for Covenant Fellowship Church and We will God willing repeat that later on.

So now is the time for you to give us a summary of the

religious upbringing you had if any as a child what kind of religious upbringing that was if any and

The providential circumstances that our Lord raised up in your life To sovereignly draw you to

himself and save you.

Yeah, I'd love to share that.

I grew up a Catholic in a Catholic family and we were very strict Catholics many

Catholics today Don't actually practice regular Catholicism, but I was a strict Catholic

went to church every Sunday unless of course I was ill and Yet, I found myself

searching Not knowing what the purpose of my life was between my junior and senior year

of college.

I was a Got a job working in my field for a summer

internship down in Aberdeen, Maryland at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds and was

living in a town called have a degrade and One morning

when I turned the TV on like I did every morning to eat my cornflakes before I went to work I

watched the news only this day the only channel I got my little black -and -white TV set.

It was not the news it was a televangelist and He went on to share the

gospel and then at the end of his program like you might characteristically imagine Pointed his finger at

the TV camera and said and those of you out there in Watching this by way of our broadcast.

God is after you as well.

And the thing that he explained to me that I hadn't known before I knew that Jesus Christ died on the cross

For sin, but what I didn't know was that Jesus Christ died on the cross for my sin

and that truth that God died for me specifically and that was what was going to set me free

was something that just Exploded in my mind.

I watched that program every day throughout the Crusades and Somewhere in that week God saved me.

I did go back after that summer internship to the Catholic Church.

I didn't really know anything different but shortly thereafter God led me to Covenant

Fellowship where I began just as a single guy in the congregation and

Then it was out of Covenant Fellowship that the Lord called me into ministry and I've been here as my only Christian church my

whole life.

Praise God.

Mm -hmm.

And it's always good to hear a good ending to a story that begins with a televangelist.

The Bible doesn't say televangelist of the power of God for the salvation of the world.

They say the gospel is and when they preach gospel things happen, right?

Amen.

Yes, and of course there are Wonderful televangelists biblically faithful

televangelists televangelists and radio evangelists in Amidst the sea of

heretics and charlatans.

So we cannot discount and should not discount them all or lump them all together because there are Many

wonderful men in the pulpit who have their services broadcast and their sermons

broadcast such as one of my heroes of the faith John MacArthur and I could go on and on and on

with the list of Wonderful men and being in the radio industry most of my adult life.

I am thankful to God that I enabled radio stations to

Continue on in their their activities airing the sermons of such men as dr

MacArthur and RC Sproul and Joel Beakey and many others.

Before I have you begin on Your description of this book this very important book that we are addressing

today.

I want to read a couple of endorsements for this book and one of them is by my friend that I whom

I have known since the 1990s and actually was personally involved in Helping him launch

his very first radio program back in the 90s.

Dr. Joel Beakey president of Puritan Reformed Theological Seminary in Grand Rapids, Michigan.

He says in our current day children can easily become confused about all kinds of issues

That are clearly presented in the scriptures.

Particularly in there if their home church and school do not provide a

consistent biblical foundation.

Gender issues rank high on the list of areas that children can become

Untethered from the Bible teach Bibles teaching this beautiful book Gently

teaches children to cherish their God -given gender and to love their neighbor as themselves.

A timely word on A sensitive issue and then we have Jim Daly president of

focus on the family Says are you watching the culture's rapid departure from biblical principles and

wondering how to address these sensitive issues with your precious children.

Marty muchowski has provided a timely resource to help you in that crucial task.

His new book takes a gentle and scriptural look at what God's Word tells us about his design

for the two genders.

This volume offers parents a terrific way to initiate important discussions with their kids.

And of course the book that these men are raving about is the one that I mentioned in the beginning of the broadcast God made

boys and girls Helping children understand the gift of gender now.

I am not really aware I mean there could be other books Out on this subject,

but to my knowledge.

Anyway, this is the first book That has come across my path That is

tackling this very vital issue in in the backdrop of the

horrifying things that are going on in our culture where Children are being told that they

can actually choose the gender that they want to live by but if you could tell us what was the

the catalyst that led you to Writing this book and do you know of any other alternative books that are

specifically addressing this?

Well, Chris, I don't know of any other books that address this issue for children and to help parents

with their children.

I know of some good books that address the topic for adults.

I had recently co -worker of mine say, you know Marty you should write a book on

gender and I thought well, you know, I know the issue is really severe.

I don't know that I'm an expert in that field, but it got me looking and it got

me thinking about children and As I did a little research.

I was just Shocked at what I was reading.

Came across one story in the news of a California teacher who in a kindergarten class

had a little boy go back into the back outside the classroom change

into a girl's outfit and Come back in and presented the little boy

as a little girl to the class and Instructed the class to begin

calling him her and this really upset the kids.

And they went home to their parents some of them crying Saying I don't want to be a

I don't want to be a boy one little girl said to her mother when parents became outraged

over the incident and Reported it to the school district.

The school district sided with the teacher the parents said hey You got to give us warning if you're going to do sex education.

It's, California law and They were standing this isn't

sex education.

This is identity Education to which the parents couldn't believe it a year

later.

That teacher was awarded teacher of the year Award, I just couldn't believe it when I read that

story About there I saw nothing and I thought

our parents need a book to teach their children that Gender is God's good

gift that can never change and that's where I began my work to try to write one.

Well, uh, tell us about how this book is structured and for instance, I

I am hoping and that I'm correct here that it does not Even bring up the issue for

children to discover on an Unnecessarily

that there are people teaching out there that you can choose any gender that you want.

And obviously this is a subject that perhaps teenagers should hear from from

Christian Bible study teachers and pastors and parents because of the fact that it's

saturated in the media.

Everywhere we go everywhere we look.

But I'm assuming that you keep this controversy away from the minds of

children in this book.

Well, I absolutely do because I don't want to add to the confusion.

I mean right or do not need to hear that.

Some people you know Would suggest that you could change your gender, but that's not true.

I mean, they don't even need that information.

Children are not able to.

On at this age, you know, I'm I'm reaching kindergarten first second third grade.

They're not able to discern those complicated ideas.

They're impressionable.

They're like soft clay.

You know, whatever puts its mark upon that clay.

It remains and so what I wanted to do is well what the FBI did to

train its Workers to recognize counterfeit bills.

The first thing they did was not give them counterfeit bills and say hey look these are counterfeit.

They caused them to take hours and hours to study the genuine so that if they knew the genuine

Perfectly well, they would know the counterfeit when they saw it because it was not genuine.

And so what I'm looking to do here is teach children the biblical truth.

That their gender is God's good gift that can never change.

And I do that setting it up in a story because children love stories and Children will

never know anything about transgender going through the book.

What they'll learn is the truth about gender from the story.

Amen, and who or should I say what age groups?

Do you have you intended this book?

To.

Be read by their parents to.

And if I butchered the grammar, please forgive me.

Well, I'll tell you I would say that it's written for like kindergarten

through third grade, but I have my first grandson.

Zion is about 14 months old and

He comes over our house at least once a week.

My daughter lives locally and He absolutely loves the book and we are reading it to him all

the time.

Now he doesn't understand at one and a half.

Well what you know God's good gift and gender and all of that.

But he's he's coming to love the pictures and kids at that age just love for you to read to them.

So there's no reason why you couldn't read it to children who are younger.

But the the key here is the moment the moment he's old enough to understand.

What is written on these pages?

Because we're reading it as a routine in his life he's going to be able to understand the

truth on these pages, but it's geared for kindergarten and.

Give us some of your own thoughts as Someone who has been involved in Christian leadership

for many years several decades.

What is your understanding and your position on the Rampant

claims and reports.

Growing number of reports that Children, especially

have what has been called gender dysphoria they have

made claims in the media that scientists are saying that this is a real

thing that does not need coaching from parents or

From secular society.

These are things that would naturally develop in the minds and lives of children who

have this disorder, it's not that their parents or

relatives or Society is coaching them and

imputing these ideas into their minds But that they are

coming forth as if they are a natural progression of Children who have some kind

of of a problem.

Do you think that this is the case or do you think that this is basically? sin

becoming more rampant because these children are hearing these things discussed and even by

their parents and In the media and perhaps their parents.

They don't want to hurt their children's feelings.

They don't want their children to feel bad if if the kid happens to come out of the mother's closet,

and it's a boy and he's wearing his mother's clothing or something wearing his mother's shoes automatically

the rush to a Response to this is all

this child must be gender dysphoric and we have to make sure that they are happy and not Traumatized by

life.

So we have to go by what they feel and what is your opinion about this?

Well, it's a complicated issue, but what I think is is happening is

when you celebrate the gay lifestyle as Normal,

the very next question to ask is who am I sexually, you know if.

And so so that that's coming up more and more and then when you affirm The

confusion of somebody who is left with that question and Even worse

when you begin teaching children that it's a choice you're going to end up with a

watershed a cascade of Confusion and what I'd like to do is I'd like to separate out

the children who are confused.

Who are really victims of a culture gone awry?

I'd like to separate them out from the people who are actively pressing forward and pushing for this

teaching in schools and doctors that are putting forth theories

which are Really underpinning the false teaching that you can pick a

gender.

You can select whichever one you want in the kids, you know, you imagine.

A.

Child in kindergarten in a classroom where the teacher Sends a boy back to get changed into a

girl's outfit and comes back and says he's now a girl.

You know if one of those other children then Who perhaps has a difficult home life?

Begins to get confused in third grade.

I have a lot of compassion for needing to try to Understand what happened

in that child's life.

I don't have a lot of compassion for the teacher who is pushing forward these false ideals in the

classroom.

I think it's just plain wrong and and what I do to explain that.

It doesn't surprise me.

Actually if you if you look at Romans 1 you see when you Exchange the truth of God for a

lie all kinds of aberrant behavior come out from that.

That's the natural result of God giving you over when you reject him to worship the creation and.

You know while these folks aren't necessarily Setting up idols and altars in their living rooms. There's

a sense in which they've rejected God.

They've put their hope and faith in an evolutionary idea that says Man is at the center of the

world because everything was created by chance.

So now it's really up to survival by the fittest and men are you know?

Men and women are an ideology.

That's so now I cannot help but think.

That many of these parents who are Encouraging their children

on this hellish path They know that this

idea of gender dysphoria and Everything that is attached to the so

-called LGBTQ community this is in vogue.

It's even like it's it's even considered chic and I can't help but

think that there are parents that want to call attention to themselves as

being heroes of this movement to legitimize

Gender dysphoria and to legit legitimize children even choosing their gender as

if that were even possible to perhaps even Become celebrities

of a kind of some kind not even necessarily global or national celebrities but celebrities in their community.

How heroic they are for Standing behind their children and and subsequently their

children being little heroes.

Who are pursuing this very tragic direction?

Do you think I'm making sense here?

Yeah, I think you are and I think that is happening.

You know people who are progressive in their ideas want to showcase them very very often I think.

But you know the challenge is for every one person that's trying to showcase this and

Supports these ideas being taught.

Or a handful of other parents who are confused, too.

They don't know what to do with their kid that just came home and said mom.

I know I was born a boy.

You called me Joe but my I'm changing my name to Jennifer and I'm

now a girl.

It's it's really tough on parents when that happens and then there's a parent in between who aren't really

sure what the right thing is.

We've got family in my neighborhood whose Daughter is considering

a society in this

current culture and climate.

The parent is thinking well, what's the right thing to do?

Let me support Exploration and

so whatever you decide.

Honey, that will be good with us when really They need truth in those

situations.

They need to know no, it's not actually possible to change your gender is

immovable.

Biologically, we're gonna give the listeners our email address so

that they can respond with questions of their own.

If you would like to join us on the air, our email address is chris arnzen at gmail .com.

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Please give us at least your first name.

Your city and state of residence in your country of residence.

If you live outside the USA please only remain anonymous.

If your question involves a personal and private matter and obviously I could readily see a

discussion on this topic with would Lend itself to people having

personal and private questions, perhaps you yourself are experiencing

a horrific trial in your family where either your own children or your

grandchildren your nephews your nieces are going through confusion

about what gender they truly should live by and perhaps people are

encouraging them to sin by Adopting the opposite gender as their

own.

Whatever the issue is that may be personal and private.

We obviously understand that you would prefer to remain anonymous.

So we will grant you that request if it is a personal and private question.

But if it's a general question please give us at least your first name your city and state and your country of residence

if you live outside the USA and Tell us more about the

book.

I'm assuming since it's a book for children young children as you said kindergarten through third grade that it's

illustrated.

Perhaps you could even share with us a bit of information about the illustrator and so on.

Yeah, it is.

You know, I like to begin

Particularly with young children.

You have children on the school playground it's recess and a little girl named Maya

loves the runner and Nobody can really catch her and one of

the boys is jealous and he shouts out and he says if you keep playing with the boys, you will

turn into a boy and That upsets her and she asked the teacher.

Mr. Ramirez.

Is that true?

Well, I turn into a boy and Mr. Ramirez replies.

No, that's not true.

Girl can't turn into boys.

God made them girls for life.

And then he corrects Lucas For saying an unkind thing.

And then from there Mr. Ramirez says, you know, we're going to go back into the classroom and

I'm going to tell you about this issue and he begins teaching Children about

gender and he says gender is God's good gift and was

created in the image of God and some were made by God to be boys and some

were made to be girls and That is fixed for life.

Now, it's interesting that the illustrator for the book was

Glad to do the illustrations, but the illustrator refused to have

Their name put on the cover because of the controversial nature of this topic.

So right as I was writing this book, I became aware that I was entering into

some.

Choppy waters.

Oh, I I was not expecting to have that answer come out of you.

That's interesting.

Well, we don't have that illustrator here nor nor would the illustrator obviously want to be here but to be

curious as to the faith if any of this illustrator and why this

issue would make them fearful to Not be involved in identifying themselves

perhaps just fear of the retaliation that is so common in our culture

where those who support the LGBT community so -called I

Do not use that phrase approvingly.

I don't believe you can call a group of people who are involved in sin a

community logically or appropriately but it is Quite sad to

hear that but it is a reality that People have lost careers

and have even been physically threatened By those who support this

satanic worldview of the LGBT so -called community.

We are going to our first break right now.

We do have a couple of listeners with questions and we will get to you as soon as we can.

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We are now back with our guest today, Marty Machowski, Family Life Pastor at Covenant Fellowship Church in

Glen Mills, Pennsylvania.

We are discussing his book, God Made Boys and Girls, Helping Children Understand the Gift of

Gender.

And we do have a listener with a question for you, Marty.

We have Grady in Asheboro, North Carolina, a very loyal listener to this

program and also a very generous financial supporter of this program.

Another great show, Chris.

In your book, Marty, do you give advice on how to deal with authorities

that insist there are more than two genders?

Also, how do we have conversations with teenagers already confused about their gender?

Great

question.

My experience is that if

you are against the authorities, let's say your school is beginning to teach these things and

you're really upset and you go to war, you're very quickly labeled

as part of the problem and you lose standing.

And what I've told parents is it's better for you to ask the school

if they can let you know when they are teaching some of these things because you want to better be able to

equip your own children.

If you're going to keep your kids in that school, that then becomes an opportunity for you when you know

it's coming to prepare your children or even to decide, I think my child is going to have a sick day that day.

But paired off against officials, this is like the mainstream message

that the whole public school arena is supporting these days.

So you're really, it's like coming against the wave of the ocean

right in their territory.

And that can be really challenging.

But I do believe that you as a parent have the right to know what's being taught so that you can

better walk with your own children through that instruction.

Grady, thank you for the two excellent questions.

And make sure you give us your full mailing address so that Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service, cvbbs

.com, can ship this book out to you at no cost to you or to Iron Trip and Zion Radio.

We not only want to thank cvbbs .com for shipping out our winners, their free books, but

we also obviously want to thank the folks at New Growth Press for providing us with these

copies of Marty's book to begin with.

And just for your information, folks, if you want to find out more about New Growth Press and all the

titles that they have brought back, or brought into print I should say, their website is

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Before I go to another question, Marty,

have you heard personally any negative feedback from writing this

book?

And then also, obviously, I want to hear about positive feedback, other than of course the men whose

wonderful commendations I read who have raved about this book and endorsed it.

But as far as your average readers and so on.

Well, I have heard some negative reviews

from more secular reviewers.

As far as I've heard, I just want

to jump back to the second question that your listener asked about.

What do you do with a teen who is confused?

I want to make sure I'm faithful to honor their question.

Is that all right if I ask?

Oh, of course.

Especially since the questioner was Grady and he actually donates to our program.

Well, good.

We wouldn't want to upset Grady.

A young person down that

road,

but he's

not Grady.

You might not

realize how over the years that bullying

has affected.

Now he's beginning to doubt and you find out in talking with him that he doesn't have a strong father

figure and that there are other issues in his life.

He deals with insecurity.

And often then when you find out what is really going on, and you begin to prayerfully

ask the question, how do I address all of these issues?

You know, it's presenting right now as a gender dysphoric kind of an outcome.

But really far before you get there, there are very often other underlying

issues.

And once you understand those issues, then it becomes actually easier to try to help that person

biblically deal with that issue.

The issue is to recognize that his gift that I

gave a young boy who's a great

singer, given to him by God, and he's to use them for God's glory.

He shouldn't have

said

about David, he plays

the harp, he

sings,

he writes.

So as a

young boy, before you just jump on and tell

somebody they're wrong and they're to find out what's going on to lead them down

that path.

Amen.

Let's see, we have an anonymous listener who says, I want to word my question very carefully because

I know I could be wrongly misunderstood very easily.

And I want to make sure that people don't get the wrong idea as to the motive of my question.

But I believe that there is a positive element to

children growing up in an atmosphere where abnormal or dangerous or ungodly behavior

is frowned upon by fellow classmates and children in the neighborhood.

We would never want these children to bully the ones adopting

ideas like gender dysphoria.

We would not ever want cruelty to be thrust upon them.

But at the same time, I think this attitude against bullying has gone too far,

whereas even children growing up today, when you discuss things like homosexuality with them,

they think these things are completely fine because of this day and age of political correctness that we live in.

You are hard pressed to find a child outside of Christendom or a conservative religion where these

things are viewed upon as being abnormal, unnatural, dangerous.

And do you not think that this kind of attitude should be cultivated

that children are not to be accepting with open arms their friends

when they demonstrate that they have embraced things like gender dysphoria

transvestism and all other kinds of things that are an abomination to God?

Well I certainly would not want to teach my children that you want to affirm those kids

in all of their challenges.

When Jesus presented truth, he did it very cleverly.

He did it with compassion.

He did it with kindness.

And where we see sin, the Bible says that we who are

correct with gentleness.

And so I do think there is an appropriate place to correct.

When I was a young kid growing up, I actually had an example of this in my life.

I had a friend come up to me and he said to me, Marty, you're running like

a girl.

You're flailing like a girl.

And he said, let me show you what you're doing.

And I really wasn't the most athletic of guys.

And he showed me what I was doing wrong.

And I said, you know, thank you, Greg.

And I changed the way that I ran.

And it was actually more effective to run.

And I was probably five, six years old.

And here's a kid from the neighborhood.

He pulled me aside privately and said, hey, dude, you're running like a girl.

Straighten this out.

So yeah, hey, you know, I celebrate God's love for me.

I celebrate God's love for me loving correction.

So, you know, for if you're a teen out there listening or you're a parent, you have a teen who has a friend

who thinks that they should be the opposite gender, then help your son or daughter

teach them the truth.

But the way to do that is obviously not through bullying or demeaning.

It's to pull them aside one on one and say, hey, look, I know that you think you're supposed to be a boy, but the

truth is your biology can never change.

What people are telling you is a lie.

And, you know, Chris, there's here's an area that it just makes it so obvious.

You know, our culture is saying no, it's wrong to correct somebody about gender.

You've got to what they feel is right.

But what do we do when we come up with someone who's anorexic?

In fact, let's pick up right where you left.

Off, because unfortunately we have to go to our midway break.

And and just don't forget about where you left off about anorexic.

And this is our longer than normal break, because Grace Life Radio, 90 .1 FM in Lake City, Florida,

requires of us a longer break in the middle of our show because they are required by the FCC to

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I'm James White of.

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Atlanta, Georgia, Thursday, January 16th, through Saturday, January 18th, on a theme that is vitally

important to all of us, Worship Matters.

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Welcome back.

This is Chris Arnson.

If you just tuned us in, our guest for the two hours today with a little less than an hour to go is

Marty Machowski, family life pastor at Covenant Fellowship

Church in Glen Mills, Pennsylvania, and we are discussing his book, God Made Boys and Girls,

Helping Children Understand the Gift of Gender.

If you have a question for Marty, send it in via email at chrisarnson at gmail

.com, chrisarnson at gmail .com, c -h -r -i -s -a -r -n -z -e -n at gmail .com, and as always,

please give us at least your first name, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA.

Only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.

Before I return to our discussion with Marty, I just have a couple of announcements to make.

First of all, the Foundations Conference in New York City that you've been hearing me promote for quite a

while, that is sold out.

There is no more room to attend that conference, so if you want to

just check up if there are any cancellations, the website is thefoundationsconference .com,

thefoundationsconference .com.

That conference is being held Thursday and Friday, December 19th and 20th in Manhattan, and

so check up if you wish to see if there are any future cancellations because they are packed.

The next event that I am going to be attending, God willing, which always

has my heart beating with joy because I am just absolutely always blown away at

the G3 Conference where I have manned an exhibitors booth for Iron Trip and Zion Radio already

for three years, and this January will be my fourth year in a row manning an exhibitors booth at

the G3 Conference, which stands for Gospel, Grace, and Glory.

This is held every year at the Georgia International Convention Center in College Park, Georgia,

which is a suburb of Atlanta, right near the Atlanta airport.

The conference center is actually connected by rail to the Atlanta

airport, so it is very easy to get to from there if you fly in.

This is just a remarkable conference.

It is a monumental event.

I don't know of any conference that has a roster of speakers this long and this

superb, and I highly urge you, if you have never been, to please

attend the G3 Conference.

This January, the theme is Worship Matters, and the speakers include

my friend Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries, my friend Phil Johnson, the Executive

Director of John MacArthur's Media Ministry, grace to you, and Phil Johnson also has the dubious

reputation of being the most frequently interviewed guest in the history of Iron Trip and Zion Radio, Dr.

Stephen J. Lawson, founder of One Passion Ministries, certainly one of the most

extraordinary preachers alive on the planet Earth, my friend Todd Friel of Wretched TV and

Wretched Radio will be speaking, Derek Thomas, a beloved name, especially

amongst Reformed Christians, one of the finest exegetes and

preachers and teachers and authors that we have in existence today, my friend Dr.

Tom Askell, who is the Executive Director of Founders Ministries, the Calvinistic Ministry

within the Southern Baptist Convention, Dr. Stephen J. Nichols, who is the President of Reformation Bible

College, the college founded by the late R .C. Sproul and Ligonier Ministries, Kosti Hinn, who you just heard

recently James White mention in an ad for this conference, Kosti Hinn, who is the nephew of

the notorious heretic and charlatan Benny Hinn, and Kosti does not mind me saying that

because he says just as much and more, seeking to expose the Word of Faith movement

for the deadly, dangerous, deceptive and damning movement that it

is.

He has repented of this movement, he is a cessationist and a Reformed Baptist pastor, and

there was an update after James White recorded that ad, he's now pastoring in Arizona.

He left the church in California after receiving a call to Arizona to pastor there.

And of course, there are many more on this roster, but the most recent addition is John

MacArthur, and I would go to this conference if it was only John MacArthur preaching at the G3 conference.

If you want to join me there Thursday, January 16th through Saturday, January 18th, go to G3conference .com,

G3conference .com.

I also urge you, if you are a business owner or a parachurch leader or you want to promote something to the

body of Christ to people in large numbers that you are involved in, well, I would strongly

urge you not only to register for attendance at the G3 conference, but

register for an exhibitor's booth just like I will be manning, and it

has always proven to be a phenomenal experience for me manning an exhibitor's booth there.

They typically have over 5 ,000 people attend this conference, and with John MacArthur added to the lineup,

I strongly believe, I am very confident they will have over 6 ,000 people.

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That's chrisarnsen at gmail .com, chrisarnsen at gmail .com.

And Marty, before the break, you were mentioning children who are anorexic or bulimic,

if you could continue that thread of thought.

Yes, I'd

love to,

Chris, and the

one God

gave them.

Then you are,

oh

yeah,

go ahead.

Well then

you must be,

you'll be unkind.

We tell her you are

provided with, well, you've

got that feeling, because it must be true, kind and

unjust.

It does not work.

Praise God.

One of the things that disturbs me about this whole subject of

gender dysphoria and the LGBT

worldview is that I think it's inescapable to come to the

conclusion, if you're being honest about this, that there are multitudes of

very selfish and evil people who are using children as guinea pigs,

because they don't even really know what the future outcome is going to be, the long

-term outcome.

In fact, in many cases, we already know because of their there have been horrible news reports

about people, and you usually only hear about these news reports in conservative media,

that have committed suicide because they regret having a so -called sex change operation.

And another thing that a lot of people seem to never mention, even in conservative media, I don't hear

anybody on Fox News saying this, but if you are telling children,

young children, even prepubescent children, that they can make a decision

like what gender they want to live as, that would result in them

getting medication, hormone therapy, and even surgery.

If you're giving that weight to the thought process of a

child, what is right around the corner other than legalizing pedophilia?

Because if a child says that they want to have sexual relations with an

adult, well, isn't that just around the corner if you're saying that a child's decisions have that

much weight?

I can't help but think that next thing around the corner is, well, we should give them freedom of choice about

with whom they have sexual relations.

Am I going too far here in my presumption?

Well,

what are you talking about?

Markers

coated into every

cell of his body.

Feelings trump truth.

If that's your philosophy, then how can you say it can

tell a 12 -year -old girl who wants to

marry a guy and have sexual relations with him who's 30 years old, how can you tell her that her

feelings are wrong, right?

So it's what you're talking about is consistent logic, and if their logic

stays consistent and goes down that sinful path, it leads to all

manner of evil and sin and a disregard for God's command.

And quite frankly, I think that that's where we're.

Headed.

We have another anonymous listener.

And by the way, I believe I forgot to tell our last anonymous listener, if you

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limited number who submit questions.

So we have another anonymous listener who asks, How

alarmed should parents be when they see their little children dressing up in the

clothing of the opposite gender?

I'm speaking about little tiny children, prepubescent children, not teenagers who are

intentionally trying to look like the opposite sex.

I'm talking about exploration that children are involved in that involves

often humor, and they think it's funny.

And how and when do we start to take this more seriously?

And what should we do even when we see a tiny child walking out of mommy's

room with mommy's shoes on and perhaps another article.

Of clothing when it is a boy doing this?

That's a great question.

How alarmed should we be?

I would say we shouldn't be alarmed.

What's right and what's wrong?

They don't come up from the womb having a well -planned out

understanding of morality.

Even the Apostle Paul said that he would not have known what coveting was if the Word of God did

not tell him, do not covet.

So it's the Word of God and God's direction through the Word that teaches us right

from wrong and teaches us what is good and bad.

So young children don't instinctively know that.

So you have a young boy, he thinks it's so cool to have high heels.

So he sees mom's high heels and he gets in her high heels and he thinks, hey, while I'm at it, let me just put on,

you know, mommy's shirt that's sitting there with the flowers on it.

So he puts mommy's shirt on, he gets the high heels, and he comes walking down the hallway in these high heels thinking

that he is just the coolest thing since, you know, Elvis hit the stage.

And what do you do?

Are you alarmed?

No, he's a child doing childish things.

And I think that it actually serves, it's a disservice to make a big deal out of it.

What I would say is don't make a big deal out of it, but say to yourself, okay, future

discipleship opportunity.

After everybody has their laugh, the child, put mommy's shoes away, just like you would tell your daughter if she came out in those

same things.

Then you pull them aside and say, hey, let me tell you something.

Did you know that God made boys and God made girls and they are

different?

God made boys to become daddies and God made girls to become mommies, and guess which one

you are?

And then he's going to answer logically out of what his observation is.

God made me or I'm a boy.

Absolutely right, and you affirm that in them.

So there's a way to teach the truth and not make a big deal out of the confusion.

And studies show that when there is some greater gender confusion in a

young child, that the vast majority of those children completely grow out of that confusion.

And I'm talking about not confusion that comes from wrong teaching, but confusion that comes simply

out of.

Them trying to find their way in life.

Now, do you think it's appropriate for a

parent, not in an overly harsh manner, to

scare the child, to even draw attention to the child, something that they might

not be thinking about at all when they come out of mommy's room, the boy comes out of

mommy's room, even wearing her dress or something.

Do you think it's wise that a parent should at least say in a very gentle and calm way,

do you know that in the Bible in Deuteronomy 22 verse 5, it says, a

man's item shall not be on a woman, and a man shall not wear a woman's

garment.

Do you know that that is something that the Bible teaches we shouldn't do?

I mean, would that be correct, do you think, even with a young child?

I think if they're being.

Serious, say in the moment,

I would say that one of the things I like to do is use a verse like that in a discipleship moment

afterwards.

You know, and I think it's also good to say, all right, all right, take those off, boys

don't wear girls' things.

Come on, Bob, you know better than that.

You ever see daddy walking around in mommy's high heels and a dress?

Let's hope not.

Well, if he has, and he answers, oh yeah, all the time, you got a bigger problem.

That's beyond the scope of my book, I'll tell you that.

So I think it's okay.

What I want our listeners to know is there's no need to panic, it's just a

discipleship opportunity.

Great.

And let's see, we have Bobby in Hartsdale, New York, and

Bobby says, should Christian parents allow their

children to play with other children that their parents

allow to dress up like the opposite gender and are convincing their

children that being the opposite gender they were born with is completely acceptable?

Right answer to that.

What I would say is I would avoid the extremes on both sides.

So I would say it would not be wise to say parents should always let their child

in gender transition, supported by their parents.

And I would also say that it's not wise to say parents should never allow

their children to play with or hang out with children who are in gender transition.

And the first one, you know, might seem obvious.

The second one, I'll address that a little bit.

I have a, now just turned this week, 17 -year -old daughter

who loves the Lord, is a very, has a very strong and

solid testimony, and is not easily persuaded by what people think or

what people do.

And I knew that she was going to a gathering where there were going to be from our

local high school in gender transition.

Now, should I not allow my daughter to go?

I talked to her about it, and she went to that with the idea of trying to see if the Lord would

provide an opportunity for her to encourage them.

And not necessarily to correct them, but to encourage them.

She, you know, and so I thought, all right, I have a daughter here who I'm confident in

her testimony, in her ability to discern the culture, wanting to reach out to someone who's

confused.

That's a good thing.

And so I think we want to be discerning about our youngest children.

I don't know that I would have my youngest children playing with other children whose parents are

supporting gender transition in grade school, for example.

I just think would be very confusing for my kids.

But I just want to have us avoid those absolutes.

And Bobby, you've won a free copy of the book we're discussing, God Made Boys and Girls.

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copies of this book, for questioners.

We have Harrison in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania.

And Harrison says, one of the sad things about this whole

cross -dressing topic is that it is really a

universal reality right now that girls very often are

dressing like boys.

I am not one of those hard -line fundamentalists who say that women should never wear slacks that are

feminine, and that women should always wear dresses.

But isn't this a subject that just seems to have totally slipped

by us and has now become an established reality where your typical girl will be

wearing the clothing of boys and nobody seems to make any kind of noise about

it, even within.

Conservative evangelicalism?

The observation that women are dressing like men is an accurate one,

certainly not universally, but there are a lot more women who, if you

catch them from the right view, you'd say, oh, that's a guy.

I'm not sure that that's coming so much out of sexuality other than

wanting, you know, it's the

punishment of the curse, you know, the desire of the

woman will be for the position of the man.

I think that has something to do with it as well.

One of the things that my wife and I did was we wanted to affirm

femininity at a very young age, and so we made sure that

we talked about feminine beauty in an appropriate way.

They were to dress to please Daddy and what Daddy likes, and I would compliment them when they

wore the things that I liked.

So when it came to particularly going to church on Sundays, we had our young girls wear

dresses, and I would talk about what a beautiful dress you have on, and

they just love, they learn to love dressing to please their father, and

today, even still, my daughters will come to me and they'll ask me about an outfit, say, what do you think

about this, Dad?

What's your opinion on this one?

And I'll give it to them.

I would say that starts when your kids are really, really young.

It's really tough, proverb goes, to reshape an oak.

Tree of 40 years, but a sapling can be molded with ease.

Excellent answer, and you have also won a free copy of the book we are

describing and talking about, so Harrison, make sure we have your full mailing address in

Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, so that CVBBS .com can ship this out to you.

We have, let's see, John in Bangor, Maine, wants to know,

other than your book that is a child's book, can you recommend books

specifically for parents and adults that.

Tackles this issue?

Yeah, I would say, want to get a copy

of God and the Transgender Debate?

That's by Andrew T. Walker, and that would be

a good book for you to read and help you to understand this issue.

I would recommend that one for you.

There's not a, there's some books out there, you know, I just say, you've got to be careful because, you

know, they may not be that great.

So, you know, the God and the Transgender Debate book has a foreword by

Al Mohler, and so you can pretty much guarantee that if Al Mohler is going to put his stamp of

approval on it, it's going to have a biblical, cultural worldview.

So, that's the one.

I would recommend.

Great, and I, what, who is the publisher of this book?

The Good Book Company.

Okay, and the author?

The author is Andrew T. Walker, God and the Transgender Debate.

Great, well folks, you could look that up on Google and so on, and thank you very

much for that excellent question, John in Bangor, Maine, and make sure we have your full mailing address.

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Welcome back, and we have a question for you, Marty, from Susan Margaret.

In Dauphin County, Pennsylvania.

She asks, does your book have lists of things that are unique

qualities and blessings that girls have that boys do not have and

vice versa that are not to be envied by girls when possessed by boys or

envied by boys when possessed by girls but just to be appreciated that each gender has these unique

attributes and blessings?

Well, I don't specifically.

Have a list like that, but I try to put in truths

subtly that will be picked up by the children.

So, for example, I have a chart that has a mom and a dad on it, and it

actually says mom and dad, and I basically talk

about that God is the one who chooses your gender code, and so

that, referring to boy and girl, is an association with mom and dad.

One of the things that I did want to address in this book, which is a little bit different issue, are some of the

gender stereotypes that kids are pigeonholed in.

So that if, for example, you're a girl that likes to fix cars,

that somehow there's something wrong with you.

That's a boy thing.

Or a boy who likes to sing, there's something wrong with you.

That's a girl thing.

Now, we know that's not true.

God can give those gifts to either sex.

They're not sex -specific.

Whereas, obviously, giving birth to children is a

sex.

What I did was, I wanted to, you know, what happens in a book like this on gender

is, you want to equip parents to keep from themselves

making some kind of gender undercut to their children.

Not so much, oh, boys don't dress in dresses, but if your son is good at cooking

and he likes to bake a cake, you don't say, oh, that's what girls do.

Some of the best chefs in the world are men.

That's not a girl -specific occupation.

So I wanted to make sure I dealt with both boys become dads,

girls become moms, but then these gender stereotypes.

We need to be careful with.

And we have Mary in Cork, Ireland, who has a question.

And Mary in Cork, Ireland asks, do you not think that many

parents have gone way overboard in being upset by rough housing

and other things that boys are typically involved in?

I think that very often the phrase, boys are boys,

and that should not be something that is totally discounted, and that we

should not feminize our boys.

As long as we are being cautious that they are not hurting themselves or others or being cruel,

don't you think that boys will be boys is something that we need to always remember?

I would wholeheartedly agree.

And I think that.

This idea that all the boys need to settle down and sit

kindly at desk, you know, we homeschooled our family.

And one of the things we learned with our boys is that they couldn't be cooped up sitting down in a chair

forever.

And so we would just say, hey, guys, you need to go run two times around the house and then come back

in.

And when our boys were wrestling, we didn't say, you know, stop that, stop that, you're making too much noise.

We allowed our boys to climb trees and,

you know, I am a hunter and I took my boys hunting with me.

And so they learned how to harvest an

animal and what to do to butcher an animal and then use it to provide for food.

So I'm all for recognizing the things that God has called men to do, provide for their

family, defend their family, and teach your boys to do that in all the appropriate

robust ways.

Yeah.

You know, what's really scary is I even know personally, parents who have

put their children on their sons, especially on Ritalin and other

drugs, because they just freak out when they

see this aggressive behavior and their sons that aren't even doing anything that is

really dangerous.

Don't you agree that this world of quick fix medication for

problems or perceived problems is a very dangerous road?

I think it is.

I think that medication is so widely overprescribed.

I think there may be some instances where there is a proper diagnosis made, but

my goodness, you know, I tell moms and dads, if your son is

wild, if he is an adventurer, very much, he's

probably going to be a leader and God's going to use them.

And all of those gifts are going to be used for the power of hell until the kid gets saved.

So preach the gospel to that young man.

We need him in the kingdom.

Amen.

Well, I want you to now have two minutes to just summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners about boys

and girls.

God made boys and girls.

Well, I would say this, that it is important in this culture that we be teaching

very young and early about gender.

We cannot wait until we've already begun to teach them wrongly

to somehow try to re

-curse mommy

someday

when

they're

young.

It

will

be when

they

get confused.

It

will

come.

Through their wives later on in their lives.

I want to thank you so much, Marty, for being such an outstanding guest today.

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