Is God's Law Unjust, Unfair, and Past?

Free men, I would say if the authorities didn't want us involved in the public square.

They ought not to have crucified Jesus in the public square. He's humanistic principle. I would say the same idea.

I would say that and I would say what's the problem with stardust. Bumping into stardust?

In the in the cosmic picture. No, there's no problem in the cosmic picture. It won't matter.

No, mr. President. You are not protecting reproductive freedom. You are authorizing the destruction of freedom for 1 ,000 ,000 little human beings every year. I'm sorry, my friends, but I am tired of seeing Jesus presented as a weak beggar.

He is a powerful Savior and the gospel is not a suggestion. It is a command. Ramona don't you sympathize with that? I sympathize with every single human heart wishing to know the one true and living God.

But I believe there's only one way that that can happen through Jesus Christ and the gospel is about repenting of sin not celebrating it.

Or the spirit not experience this do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets.

I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them for truly I say to you. Until heaven and earth pass away. Not an iota. Not a dot will pass from the law until all is accomplished therefore whoever come whoever.

See there is guys it's happening already relax is one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same. Be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

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That was sweet and to the point very Presbyterian Ben.

Merkel our good friend and Merkel I don't even know how many times you've been on and it's been several times times. Yeah, I check my punch card. But we've spent time together and you know done life together and eaten together and and we love Ben and his family and all those guys up in Moscow and gals and so Ben happened to be here right now, and so I think It'd be good.

It's okay. So I'm gonna just at the outset say this. When we're dealing we're gonna deal with some conceptual stuff right now in terms of people making claims about you know What this particular position believes they made some errors we're gonna deal with some issues that I think conceptually are very very important for us to to get rooted in Scripture in a biblical framework in or on and the reason being is I think much of the.

Of the collapse that we see around us in Western civilization Western culture much of you know, Christendom that's sort of you know. You know, it's still there but it's it much of it is sort of in you know rebel and we need to rebuild and and conquer again this conceptual area of the law of God and justice and just how do you apply the principles of sola scriptura to Everyday life is very very important.

I was saying to Ben before we came on the show today. You know, we've never had in church history like a major Reformation moment. We're like back to the Bible moment in terms of the church you know largely thinking about it and getting into scraps over the issue on the law of God specifically in terms of It's abiding relevance today and like how do you apply that general equity because like you'll have like the Westminster divines will say.

You know the general equity of the law. But like being able to like really explicate that so that everyone understands. What do we mean by general equity of the law and how does that apply in principle to all of society to my family?

To the church to the state all those things we need to do that. So this particular discussion like we I was saying to the guys we we love Doreen like I love her testimony I absolutely love her. I spent time with her.

She's wonderful. I don't know pastor John personally and I didn't really know about you know, the show Theo cast and things like that. But this is a good little moment for us to continue to interact with.

And I'm going to say we're always very cautious about like what kind of scraps do we get into what kind of like? Conversations do we want to get into is it something that's gonna bring division in the body?

That's just totally unnecessary or is it a conversation actually is very valuable and it could be transform transformative and let me just say. Because Ben's here. It's all that to say leading into this when you talk about conceptually getting this right according to Scripture the authority of Christ the law word of God God's principles of justice and wisdom righteousness in the world around us and you have a perspective of the future when you get it right and you Have a perspective of the future of Christ is ruling and reigning now and he's putting all of his enemies under his feet.

It does change the way you live. It does I mean it really does one of the first thing people say is like I'll go around the country and say hey Pastor Jeff, you know really? Because of your sermon on post-millennialism.

I listened I went to those verses it challenged me and like it's I'm post mill now. And I always say the same thing, right? I always say praise God. Let's get to work and the response is generally the same.

They're like, yeah, that's the thing that's most affected me. It's like now looking at my life going. What should I be doing? Like I'm here and we're here for the long haul like how can I bring this under?

The rule of Christ and and how can I be faithful in all areas? And so that brings me to Ben. Ben is from Moscow and he is with New St. Andrews and president of New St. Andrews and New St. Andrews is just a rigorous rigorous education Christian education that sees it's holistic.

It's like everything it's like it's how to think like a Christian how to reason like a Christian how to Work like a Christian and it's in every area of life. But NSA is just a part of like this movement of the church in the town of Moscow.

With Christ Church, you've got Canon Press where you're publishing materials and you're a media platform. You've got you've got all the businesses that are owned by believers and members of Christ Church that are doing it to the glory of God and like I would say I've said many times if You go to Main Street.

Yeah, like the best places to eat with the best products and that the funnest places to be at are like owned by.

Members of it is really striking. How much of a Christian economy is there and it's moving into just it's not just like one business it's just a whole wide variety all kind of. Looking to do business but do life together all to the glory of God and looking to his word to figure out how we ought.

To do this, right? And I think it's just very striking to see that overflow into a culture.

Yeah, and I think that's that and it's funny because if you listen to The person who's not with Christ Church in Moscow or you know, University of Idaho like right. You know, it's like you've got people understand when you're there people understand.

There's there's like a tension at points. Yeah between two completely foreign or different cultures. Yeah.

Yeah, if you if you move to Moscow right now guaranteed within your first week of moving Moscow. Somebody's gonna give you a literal list like like this happens. There's a list and it's all the people that own businesses that are connected to Christ Church.

They'll tell you this is the list of the places you can't go. I'm like, I'm not exaggerating. This is a metaphorical like you will be handed a list. You'll be told don't shop in these places really but what's often said is and it's unfortunate because some of these are the best places.

You know, like it's actually really kind of like going in there. But yeah, that's yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's it's okay. So I'm trying to bring this together in terms of like why have a discussion. You know, I don't really know Pastor John and I know Doreen.

But why have this discussion like, you know, are we gonna create? Disunity here that doesn't need to be, you know, does it need to be there? You know, is this just any offer issues that we just need to ignore and just move along and I'm gonna say no the practical issues here are very relevant and the principled issues here are very relevant and I think about what's happening in Moscow and.

The mindset of the rule and reign of Christ over all things in every area of life. The view to the future that says we have a duty to spend this gold that God has given to us. Not bury it right and we have to make sure he has a return when he comes back.

Yeah, you know we look look what I built for you. And our aim is to bring the gospel into every area of life and to bring Every area of life under the authority of Christ, so it's not just government, right?

No, absolutely. I mean, I think that Deuteronomy 6 you get that great image of. You know scripture as frontlets to your eyes as something that that is right here and is right here on your hand that basically the idea.

That you're supposed to teach your children to see the world and to see all that they set their hands to. Through the lens of scripture and through the instruction of scripture. The problem is if you say no scripture doesn't speak to those things then you've leave people with no.

There's no application. There's no instruction. There's there's nothing like that. And I think that's the real concern is the truncating of where where does scripture? Speak and what does it speak to.

I think a biblical view is what everywhere? It's it's it's speaking to everything and I'd be really concerned about a view that starts to say no scripture doesn't Instruct a government how it ought to act.

I think that's that's that's very concerning. Yeah, it's really concerning.

Yeah, it is in terms of you have this this this word from God this revelation of God. That's so comprehensive. Right. It doesn't tell us everything about everything right. Right. Not all knowledge in the universe is in this revelation.

Yeah, you can't you can't be simplistic is it. We don't have an instruction manual for everything. You could possibly set your hand to in scripture. Well, we have our godly principles that wisdom has to apply and translate to each situation, but you can't set you so you can say Look, it's a broad principle that I have to apply with wisdom, but that's different than saying It doesn't apply to this at all.

It doesn't it's not relevant to this at all.

That's right, and so that's the issue of like the comprehensive nature of scripture where You know like when I feel the same way when I hear someone today, you know typical Western You know evangelical or professing Christian sort of treat the issue of like government of like well God doesn't have to say to that.

Yeah, or the issue of like the the relationship Between you know with with public education and those sorts of things and like education education is neutral. We can do education without Jesus and it's just like wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, this is not good.

Yeah and I think that's that's why we would want to address like a conversation like this because a Conversation like this not only misrepresented the position itself. It just showed ignorance about what yeah, theonymous would would teach but it also it impacts us in Dramatic ways because it takes Christians when you say, you know, you know, don't believe in the victory of Christ in history.

Like it's just gonna get worse and we're just this is going to hell in a handbasket. Don't worry, and you say don't don't worry about thinking about how God's Word and wisdom and his law would apply to you know Magistrates that God calls his deacon.

I don't worry about that. Like Jesus isn't worried about that, right? It pulls Christians out of the fight. Yeah, and I would say, you know, why is it? You know, I'll end with this and give it to you and then we'll go to the video.

But I'm gonna lay some foundation here. Why is it that we still have laws on the books in Texas in much much of New England in Idaho. Across the nation we still have laws on the books that call bestiality.

Like a crime, you know homosexuality a crime. Polygamy a crime. It's still on the books. Like why what how'd that get there? Right, like I'm saying like, you know, like today we go. Oh, everything's collapsing as darkness and they're you know, gender bending and they're destroying marriage and everything else like oh my goodness.

What are we gonna do? It's like, you know, it's weird those Christians in the past seem to understand that like you do need to have God's standards and principles.

The Law of God, General Equity, and the Public Square

Yeah, yeah, like here, right? Yeah. I was I was struck in the video the the Seemed to be saying that the Ten Commandments are the only piece of the law that has continuing relevance or application now.

So can I marry my sister? You know, you it's not in the Ten Commandments. I don't think.

Can we have sex with animals in a new covenant? Yeah a new covenant right. That there's just a whole host of things that actually.

Scripture unpacks for us and we do have. You know the glory of the law of God being written on your heart. So we do have natural revelation. There's a lot of God written in your heart. There's a lot of people who implicitly know and then think that because I implicitly know doesn't.

I don't need scripture to say it. But the problem is the more and more twisted you get that that natural revelation gets more and more blurry. So, you know Calvin describes the scripture like the Corrective lenses that go on to your eyesight so we can all see with our natural eyes with natural revelation.

We have a an initial kind of rough guest about morality. But because of the fall we're we're confused and everything is blurry. So scripture comes on and makes it clear but I think the further we get away from our Christian heritage the blurrier our eyesight is and that means the more powerful of a prescription we need.

We cannot rely just on what is implicit in people's intuition. We need scripture to directly address it and it's probably true that there are times when you didn't need a Bible verse to tell you. Not to do that.

You didn't need a Bible verse to tell you you can't have sex with animals. But now it's getting to the point where you might actually need a Bible verse. Yeah, you need you need that kind of explicit introduction, yeah.

Good good illustration and and I said last week, you know scripture does teach and it's funny that you have to get this Conceptually from scripture to be certain about it that there's natural revelation and natural law.

Yeah, and that's our general revelation and then there's special revelation. Like we understand because scripture tells us. Here's how God made the world. Here's what they know. Here's what they're doing with that knowledge.

And this is what the revelation of God is and it's the honest us. It's breathed out by God is profitable. So like we understand that like God gives us these two books general revelation and special revelation God says he does like it's clear in scripture.

There's general revelation. There's special revelation. The problem is because of human sin and corruption and rebellion and suppression of truth a lot of this natural revelation this general revelation gets muddy and Outright rejected because of sin if you have any doubt about that I just would encourage you to just walk down the streets of like I don't know downtown Seattle and tell me if you see any men that are dressed like women or things, you know.

They're they're taking the revelation of God that what they clearly know and they're saying no, I don't want him. I don't want to know that and the point is is if God gives us both books general and special.

Then they're not going to contradict each other. Because they're both from God. They're the same they're from the same creator the same one that's given the revelation general and special. And so the point is is that if you've got two books from the same God general revelation and special revelation.

They're not going to contradict one another because they're from the same God. So you have to use the light of special revelation? To be that corrective lens to be that light that really shines into general revelation.

Because you've got general revelation according to scripture being suppressed by the rebel and so yeah general revelation does give you good things, but the problem is sin and rebellion that always Blurs it and says no.

Thanks. I don't want it. So special revelation is that word from God that speaks right back into that general revelation and says no, you know. You know that you're guilty and you know, this is evil and I have certainty because it's special.

Theonomy, Christ's Authority, and the Misrepresentation of Christian Government

Yes.

I was just I was just gonna say before we get into this because I know there was an individual that Was upset because of some things that we said last week, but apparently he pastor John John Is is a millennial so he did mention to Kingdom Theology, which I think we'll get into today.

So we may not have I think I said probably would say certain things. So he's a millennial but that doesn't change the point. I was trying to make so I just want to clarify. He's a millennial. Yeah, that doesn't that doesn't change the point.

I was yeah, and there was a video that actually mischaracterized what we did last week. It said like we we had an embarrassing critique of theocast. Yeah, which was we never even brought up. Yeah I didn't know.

I didn't know. I didn't know pastor John represented theocast. Yeah, and he was theocast we thought we were we were talking to John and Doreen yeah, so that in itself was kind of misrepresentation. Yeah.

No, we didn't talk to theocast. We said hey John is talking to Doreen. Let's engage with what they say. We didn't know he represented. He was theocast. Yeah.

Didn't know that theocast personified. Yeah, exactly. All right, let's get into it.

So this is we did some last week. We're gonna do something. This is what we said that it gets worse. We didn't mean that to insult the brother. By any means we meant it gets worse in terms of the mischaracterizations.

Get worse and this isn't helpful ultimately. So that's that's what we were saying. So here we go and we want to try to provide some Beneficial conversations surrounding the errors that are made here.

Authorities to open to be obedient to be ready for every good work and to speak evil of no one and to avoid quarreling and to be gentle and show. Perfect courtesy to all people. Well, it would be one thing.

We could be confused if you just kind of said it in one area of the Bible. But he says that in multiple areas of the Bible even in Ephesians. He talks about praying for our leaders, right? So if we are supposed to be taking the law and overturning governments with the law That doesn't work.

If Paul is telling us to obey them, so he should have saying Infiltrate them. He should say take over and implement this and so.

This. This this is an important element. When when you look at the situation happening in the first century with the Apostles Generally and of course the Christians at the same time just everyday Christians Who were being persecuted by Rome being destroyed by Rome being slaughtered by Rome?

You know being tied up to stakes and ratcheted pitch and Lit on fire and you know Nero's situation where he's eating Christians and just some foul stuff going on with Nero and his life was disgusting.

But the we mentioned last week the reason the early Christians were in so much trouble with Rome wasn't because Rome Was this pagan Empire that just didn't like this additional addendum. Oh, there's Jesus character.

Like they didn't that's not their problem. Rome's pagan. You can worship whatever you please. The problem was actually that those early Christians were making statements that were treasonous and put them in direct violation of Roman Principles and that is that Caesar is Lord.

He's he's the ultimate. You must yield to the Emperor as ultimate and the early Christians are saying actually no Jesus is Lord above Caesar and that's one thing they can't have they can't have they can't have two ultimates at war in Rome.

You can't have Caesar and his ultimacy versus this Jesus character and his ultimacy and that's what the early Christians were saying. And that's by the way with why they were killed they were killed because they wouldn't bow to the ultimacy of Caesar Kaiser Curia Caesar is Lord.

And so actually the situation is much worse than is expressed here because actually Paul was Instigating controversy with the Roman government in the first century. That's why he was killed. Mm-hmm, because he claimed that there was another King one Jesus.

That's why Peter and that's why the Apostles were slaughtered by Rome. That's why the early Christians are killed by Rome because they actually were Making statements that put them into direct conflict with the Roman government of their day and you know furthermore you you do have examples just in a New Testament itself of the early Apostles actually saying to rulers and authorities in their day.

You know, I know you're telling me, you know, they're giving me like a command don't preach in his name anymore. But I'm telling you I must obey God rather than men. Now if those Christians can make that statement in that time and they're being commanded by civil authorities not to not to speak anymore In Christ's name and they can actually say I gotta obey God rather than men.

What's that obey God rather than men part look like is there some objective revelation or standard somewhere that? Told the Apostles what they were supposed to stand on in terms of Obeying God rather than men because that's in a New Testament, too.

That's in the book of Acts where they're commanded you do this. They're saying I can't do that. Why. Because God said here I got to obey him over your word. What revelation was that? Same revelation that Paul refers to Timothy with the one that was the honest us all scripture profitable for instruction training and righteousness godliness.

Do you think that counts for the government too, especially and I'll shut up Here when someone says, you know, I don't know if we're supposed to be Overturning governments with the law. First of all, that is a complete misrepresentation of the theonomic position I I know every theonomic person I've ever read or listened to has never expressed The theonomic position in that way whatsoever and a matter of fact they take pains to say that is exactly what we're not saying.

So that's why I said this is an embarrassing critique of the law of God because I don't know anybody that said that and I dare I I defy you to find Bonson saying only the critics of our J rush Dooney saying it.

How about Douglas Wilson? He's a he's a modern writer on the law of God and justice. I dare you to find him saying and I dare you to find in the Puritans saying something like that. No, it's gospel centered.

It's because the gospel itself, but be that as it may We talk about like bringing the authority of Christ into conflict with the culture. I think it was God in Psalm chapter 2 the father that says to the son Ask of me I'll give you the nations for your inheritance the very ends of the earth for your possession.

But then he actually says to the rulers and kings of the earth To obey the Sun or they'll perish. So actually it's the father who says to the rulers of this world to obey his son or they're gonna perish.

It's not just Christians that are called to do it to say Hey repent and turn to Christ trusting him for salvation and forgiveness obey Jesus. It's not just Christians it's the father saying to the Nations the Kings and saying you're gonna obey my son or you're gonna perish.

I just quickly I was gonna say, I mean, that's what's going on China right now, China. That's why the Christians are in trouble there. That's why they had to go underground because they're saying Jesus is Lord and frankly.

This sort of mentality I think has led to Christians and our culture becoming way too comfortable and You know and we start to just let things go let things slide here and they're all it's not a big deal.

And then one day which we're quickly headed that direction. We're gonna be in that position where we're in trouble for saying Jesus is Lord. Absolutely.

Yeah, I mean it's home to clearly prophesize that which which we see in the Gospels is Claimed to be being fulfilled in the coming of Christ and we get that order kiss the Sun. Unless he'd be angry. You're gonna all get smoked if you don't kiss the Sun and then Jesus.

Last words to us are to go out and disciple the nation. Yeah, this is a command in the Great Commission to have national impact. I think that when one other Confusion in the way he's applying it here is he's conflating two things that you need to distinguish between so the commit we do have a command to Submit to the civil magistrate even if the civil magistrate is not a born-again Christian so if I'm driving down the road and I see the Siren lights in my rearview mirror and I I know how fast I was going I need to pull over because I'm gonna submit to the civil magistrate and which I Fully grant that we ought to in those instances submit but there is a there is a difference between instruction given to Your present situation with an ungodly ruler over you how you're supposed to respond to his direct commands to you.

I think that if it's one that you can follow without violating your conscience You ought to submit to the magistrate if he's requiring something of you that violates your conscience. If he's telling you you must bow down to Caesar then you have to say too bad.

I'm not doing it. So so I do think we have a we'd have we have an obligation that scripture gives us to be Good and faithful subjects to our government. But that's not the same thing as saying what we should be working for in that government or if you are that civil magistrate How ought you to be behaving?

So so comparatively or Take some other sort of similar situations. We have We have commands in scripture for how a slave is supposed to treat his owner. And yet we're hoping for that institution of slavery to die we're hoping for that to go away you have Commands to a woman who's married to an ungodly husband.

There's a certain conduct that she's supposed to have a godly and submissive conduct that will hopefully evangelize him. But that no way is telling us and we think it's really great that she has this uncle husband.