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- This year, In Abortion Now gave cinema -quality video production kits to four of the most active abortion clinic ministries.
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- These kits, valued at over $5 ,000 each, include a Blackmagic 6K camera, multiple lenses, audio, tripod, and accessories.
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- The goal was to flood the internet with gospel -centered video content so that more people might see babies getting saved in their communities and get involved.
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- So the things we've got on the camera just in the few days since we've been using it are two or three saves
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- I think already. Interactions with all types of people that come to the mills and some angry, some happy.
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- Just being able to capture everything that's happening has been really good. The video equipment's helpful because just from going out
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- I've heard of a quite a bit of people who have watched other videos that people who go out to the mill put out there and it encourages people who kind of have the thought of wanting to step out but they're not sure.
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- So then they watch other people go out to the mill and they think to themselves, I can do this. I think a camera like this is more helpful than just an ordinary
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- GoPro because of greater detail. You're able to capture more of what really goes on out there.
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- If I upload a GoPro video, it's scratchy, it's not capturing everything.
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- You can block it with your coat so you can't really see the face -to -face conversation that we're having.
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- But with a camera like this, you get to capture the whole conversation. You get to actually witness the mother's face.
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- Her eyes are lit up and her smile is huge. With a GoPro, you can't really capture that.
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- It's awesome to watch God move at these places and it's really great to be able to show other people, to record these things and show other people the way
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- God moves and what He does at these places and the way He saves babies.
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- Hi, I'm Jeff Durbin, pastor of Apologia Church and the head of EndAbortionNow .com. I am so excited to present to you what
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- God has done over the last year through your prayers and your support, all that you've done to partner with us as a
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- Christian church trying to equip other Christian churches globally to save lives at the abortion mill and to establish justice, immediate justice, for these pre -born children.
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- Years ago, when we started this ministry, we told you that we were a Christian church that wanted to make this about the gospel.
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- We did not want to work with the pro -life industry who are trying to regulate the issue of abortion. We wanted to establish justice, to abolish this, to criminalize it and to end it once and for all.
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- When we first started, we told you that we wanted to raise churches up, to equip them completely for free.
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- We wanted to educate them. We wanted to provide for them all the resources to go out and to save lives at the abortion mill.
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- As of today, over 615 local churches have signed up. They have been equipped.
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- They have been trained. They've gotten free resources. We haven't taken anything from these churches. We've wanted only to give to them.
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- And through your support, we've been able to equip them and train them and give them all their resources to save lives completely for free.
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- Over 615 churches, countless lives have been saved at this point. Thousands upon thousands of lives are being saved and they continue to be saved on a regular basis because of what you did with us.
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- You gave to this church to equip these churches and now thousands of children are alive because of that.
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- We knew that we needed to create a media ministry that was a platform that could communicate consistently on this issue of abortion from a consistent
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- Christian perspective that worked towards the end, the criminalization and the abolition of abortion in our nation.
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- We knew that we needed to speak with the gospel, demanding immediate justice to our legislators. We started a movement across the country of Christians going to the legislature and demanding immediate justice.
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- That all has happened. And now we've been able to work with Christians across the country who are working with their legislators to criminalize the issue of abortion.
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- Right now in the state of Arizona, we have a representative who is presenting a bill to criminalize, not regulate, to end the issue of abortion in the state of Arizona.
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- Roe v. Wade is a court opinion. It does not have the force of law. It is not a law.
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- And that is admitted now. Number one, we don't know exactly what she would do.
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- All the expectation is that she may very well move to overview, overrule
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- Roe. The only responsible response to that would be to pass legislation making
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- Roe the law of the land. That's what I would do. We needed to educate believers that Roe v.
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- Wade is a court opinion and states need to reject an unjust ruling by judges in the 1970s.
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- We knew that we needed to actually approach this consistently in a way that was different than the pro -life industry has, where they're working towards regulation and not the ultimate criminalization of abortion.
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- They call mothers and fathers who have abortions victims themselves. You'll never end abortion with that mindset, with that worldview.
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- The pro -life industry refuses to call abortion murder, what Christians would call it. We've wanted to raise churches up to actually equip them to focus on this issue as Christians, not with neutrality, but with the gospel demanding immediate justice.
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- We've been able to do that through your support. Over 615 local churches now out saving thousands of lives.
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- We have now established other media ministries. We, through your support, have actually given numerous churches their own media kit where they're actually going to be able to produce their own content, just like Apologia Studios.
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- We've given them high -end cameras and recording equipment, sound equipment, tripods, lenses, so they can do what we're doing to broaden the reach of the voices of those within the
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- Christian church who can speak to this issue with consistency as Christians for the end of abortion.
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- We've been able to raise up churches in Ireland, Northern Ireland, and the Republic of Ireland, and in Scotland who are speaking to this issue as Christians in Ireland, in Australia, in New Zealand, in Canada.
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- God has made this movement global and it's happened because of your support with us. I want to speak to you from the heart here.
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- We are not trying to create an industry. I long for the day when we shut all this down and don't ask for another penny to support these churches and to criminalize this issue.
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- We are working as a Christian church to criminalize this and to establish justice and to save lives.
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- You've helped us to do that and you've helped us to do it in a way where we've been no burden to the churches.
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- We've just helped them, equipped them. You did that. You supported us. You prayed.
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- And right now we have legislators in Indiana, South Carolina, Texas, Oklahoma, and in Arizona who are going to be putting in bills to criminalize abortion, to resist
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- Roe versus Wade, and to criminalize abortion at the state level. It's going to be happening here in Arizona.
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- It's already being submitted. And all that's happening because of the work of EndAbortionNow .com
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- and other believers across the country who are trying to establish justice, true justice for these pre -born children.
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- Will you join us again in 2021? Of course, pray for us. Of course, please sign up at EndAbortionNow .com
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- with your church. Save some lives with us. There's Christians all over the country that need you to join us.
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- We need your help to save lives, but also partner with us so we can equip more churches, develop more media ministries to speak to this issue in the public square together, and to once and for all criminalize abortion in our nation.
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- Help us to meet our matching donation for 2020. Help us through 2021 to save more lives and to end the slaughter of these innocent pre -born children in the womb.
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- When you give to EndAbortionNow .com, you're giving to equip local churches to save lives. That's all there is to it.
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- Lives are being saved every single day across the country and around the world now because of believers just like you who gave.
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- You are helping to raise churches up and you are saving lives. You're helping to establish media ministries like Apologia Studios that are speaking to this issue consistently, that are raising up Christians, that are helping to actually end, to criminalize the issue of abortion.
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- You're helping us to actually train and equip Christians to do what we've been able to do across the country now.
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- Christians have been able to talk to their legislators and demand immediate justice. Just think about this.
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- 10 years ago, we weren't in a place that we are now, where we have legislators who are actually saying, end it.
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- It's over. We're criminalizing this. We're abolishing it. Now we're here. Christians have been working so faithfully in this area and you can partner with a ministry like Apologia through EndAbortionNow to raise up churches, to bring the message of the gospel into conflict with abortion, and to bring the message of immediate justice to legislatures across the country like this one.
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- It's happening in Arizona right now. We have people all over the country now who are in this.
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- This is unprecedented in our time to see so many changes right on the line.
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- And I just want to reiterate again, I am so looking forward to the day as a pastor where we never do another one of these videos except just to celebrate what
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- God has done. We never ask for another penny. The pro -life industry is an industry.
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- It's a business. When you give this to the church, the church can work with the gospel to end this issue and never ask for another penny.
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- Brothers and sisters, will you give? Help us to match our donation so we can fund all the work for 2021.
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- Will you help us in this moment in time to work to the end of abortion as the
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- Christian church? Help us to work in such a way that we end this, we don't regulate it, we criminalize it and establish justice for our pre -born neighbors now.
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- That's what's happening. So many churches, so many lives saved. Now, more media ministries than ours able to speak to this with good quality content, with a consistent message and working with the legislators to criminalize this issue in our country.
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- Will you partner with a Christian church that makes this about the gospel, that makes this about ending abortion once and for all?
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- We can celebrate together when we never ask for another penny from a
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- Christian to end this issue because it's ended. Go to endabortionnow .com,
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- sign up with your church to join us in saving lives. Go to endabortionnow .com
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- to give towards the work of 2021. All of your giving goes towards raising up churches, saving lives, creating media content and media ministries to speak to this issue and to training churches to actually end this at the legislature.
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- Join us for 2021, brothers and sisters. I'd be so grateful if you did. My name's
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- Christina. We are in Raleigh, North Carolina. So a year, a year this past October, we've been going out every
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- Monday is our day. Well, initially, my husband, so we came across some videos, abortion now videos on YouTube.
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- And actually, it was the desire to go to the city council meetings at first is what really was kind of like our thought process.
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- And then God did a miraculous thing one weekend, and we watched babies are murdered here.
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- And then we Patti Smith somehow visited our church that same weekend.
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- And so we got to meet Patti and Scott Smith, and we did some street preaching with them like that day.
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- And then we trained with them for like six weeks on how they do abortion meal ministry.
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- And then we've just been doing it faithfully ever since. It's truly gospel centered.
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- They are not ashamed of the gospel. They're calling people to repentance. They're pointing out that this is murder, that this is sin.
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- We now have a actual resource center from Raleigh that is trying to do sidewalk ministry next to us.
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- It's kind of sad. It's sad to see their focuses on just sharing snacks and smiling and waving.
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- And their message is one of, we know you have a hard decision to make, and we just want to give you other options, as if abortion is still an option when it should not be an option at all because it's murder.
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- So murder should never be an option. So the pro -life message is weak.
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- It's a weak message, and it's not Christ centered, and it's not biblical. If you're giving to a resource center,
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- I would say stop that and give to end abortion now because they are legit.
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- They are Christ centered, standing on the word of God, and not ashamed of Jesus. We actually found out that she had cystic fibrosis about a week after she was born.
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- Adrienne knew that something wasn't right just by how she was eating and some different things like that.
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- So what I remember was Adrienne went to her first appointment with Jade, and when she came home, she was in tears, just crying, and she couldn't even really talk.
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- So Cheryl was with us, which is our pastor's wife, and she told me, she said,
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- Jade has cystic fibrosis. And I didn't know at the time what that meant exactly. I didn't know what that meant for Jade.
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- I just knew it was bad. I knew it had something to do with her lungs. So from there on, we just started planning on how to raise a child with cystic fibrosis.
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- It used to be a death sentence for kids. Now, I mean, thank the Lord, we live in a time where the medical technology has come so far.
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- Medication has come so far. If any baby, they need to eat a lot, and with her, you can't just feed her.
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- She needs medication every time she eats anything. So that can get time -consuming and stressful, but she's very happy.
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- She's very playful, and she's been healthy lately. And it's just really rewarding to see how far she's come, what a joy she brings to our family, regardless of what we have to do to keep her healthy.
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- Abortion wasn't even a thing that ever crossed our mind. I think that a lot of people look at Jade's condition, and they think, oh, she has something that's going to make her life difficult and hard, and it's going to make your guys' life difficult and hard.
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- So the narrative we're sold is the best thing to do is just kill her. And so for us, that never crossed our mind, because life is hard in general.
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- It's hard for all of us. It's hard for children. It's hard for adults, parents, husbands, wives.
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- Life is difficult. And there are many obstacles that we go through. So abortion never crossed our mind.
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- And we're continuing to have children, knowing that our future children could also have cystic fibrosis.
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- Every child we have, there's a 25 % chance. And we're not deterred from having children.
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- Children are a blessing. And God made her just the way she was. Not only did you save one generation.
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- Oh, thank you. Not only did you save my first granddaughter. Because that she lived,
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- I am a great grandmother. And my mother is a great, great grandmother. Praise the Lord.
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- Praise God. And they all are doing well. And I just thank you for your ministry.
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- Because my mother had me to commit abortion when I was 16. And I did not want to have it.
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- But my mother made me have it. And because of that,
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- I am so desperately thankful that my daughter did not commit an abortion here.
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- Amen. And she had my granddaughter, her name is Jocelyn. And Jocelyn is on her second baby.
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- And so we're great grandmothers. Praise Jesus. That's awesome. I just want to tell you that. Thank you. Thank you so much.
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- Oh, thank you. So, you know, your endeavors is not unheard. All the people who say the mean things,
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- I am pro -life. Even though my mother had me to have an abortion. But at that time, back in the day, they didn't want the girls to get pregnant.
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- And my mother was fearful. And praise God, he's forgiving. Because we've all done things that we need to be forgiven.
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- I'm on my way to prayer right now. We knew of a woman that had needed some help.
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- And we had chosen to help her with her pregnancy. And she birthed a little girl.
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- And we continued to help her for a couple years.
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- And she ended up pregnant, an unwanted pregnancy. And she wanted to get an abortion. And I just,
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- I couldn't fathom that. And I talked to her about it being murder.
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- And that it's just, you can't do that. She couldn't do it. I just wasn't going to let her do it. And I said, we'll talk tomorrow.
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- Next day came. She was living at our home, by the way. Next day came and she still wanted to.
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- And I said, you couldn't. And I told her she couldn't. And four days went by. And on the fourth day, she said that she had already ruined him.
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- That she had already ruined him. That she said that she had already been doing things that she shouldn't have been doing while she was pregnant.
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- And she said that nobody would want him. And I said that I would. I said that you could, that she couldn't get an abortion and that I wanted him.
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- And then I called my husband and I told him what I said. And he was like, okay, we're going to have another baby.
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- And he was born two months early. And his name is Jairus. And we are so blessed by him.
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- And I'm so blessed that that mom chose life. I'm so blessed that she trusted me.
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- That she trusted me to help her through her pregnancy. And to care for him.
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- And he's one. He's one. Well, he's number 10.
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- And he is full of energy. And we hadn't had a boy for a while. So it's just, he's a bundle of joy.
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- He is, he's more than what I expected.
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- He's right on track with kids his age. He's not been affected by anything that she was doing.
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- He's perfect. So this is actually, to my mind, a historic site.
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- It's one, it's a place where one of the giants of the faith of our generation has stood and ministered to, for 16 years.
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- It's a really incredible spot. This is the Orlando Women's Center. I've only been here for a little bit as we're getting everything set up to do this for you so you can see this place.
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- And just in being here for a short time, I've already seen several mothers and fathers going in and out.
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- I've watched two women who came in here to kill their children stumble out and sort of be carried out by the fathers of the children.
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- And so it's, it really can be a devastating emotional experience to be out here, to be so close.
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- We've been in this for maybe about a decade, preaching the gospel at abortion mills, raising up churches to go and save lives.
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- Thousands of children have been saved through the work of the churches through End Abortion Now, who have come out to preach the gospel, to offer help and hope and love to mothers and fathers who are going in to kill their children.
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- But where we're at, we can't get this close to the abortion mills. So this, for me, is a really powerful experience, not just because of how close you can be to the mothers and the fathers who are going in there to kill their children, how close you can be to the paid assassin who's out back smoking and to the staff that are out there smoking in between killing children.
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- But it's an amazing place to be because of what's taken place at this location.
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- John Barros is my hero of the faith, one of my heroes of the faith.
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- He's been out here faithfully. He's been a silent hero for so long, every single day coming out here to preach the gospel to these mothers and fathers, to plead for the lives of their children.
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- He's been doing it for 16 years. I call him a silent hero because he was doing this and he was faithful out here every single day before people really cared about who he was or had cameras on him or could do live feeds out here.
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- He was just saving children by the thousands before it was cool. And so many miracles have happened here at the
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- Orlando Women's Center. Too many miracles to actually talk about right now on this particular clip, but miracles happening.
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- I mean, even every day, I've talked to the two men that are out here today and they've already seen, I think, two or three saves today just by being here, being faithful, standing on the truth and preaching
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- Christ. But I wanted to show you this. This for me is a moment that I will never forget.
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- John's one of my heroes. He's inspired me to do this work and abortion now exists in many ways because of his testimony and his work.
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- But I've wanted to come here for so long to experience just being here at the place where God has moved to save thousands of children from death over so many years.
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- And I've wanted to come here because of this.
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- This is actually a very, very powerful thing. John, many of you guys know, stands on crutches.
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- So not only does he come to the abortion mill to preach the gospel to save lives all day long. And let me just tell you right now, it's hot out here.
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- It's hot. It's not comfortable. But he stands on crutches and he's been here for so long, so faithfully been here for so long, for 16 years, that he's literally worn the sidewalk down.
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- He's worn the sidewalk down right in front of the doors where the mothers and fathers are going in to kill their children.
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- This has been his station right here. This is his spot. And this is where the gospel has come from this worn down sidewalk right into those doors, into those mothers and fathers in there who are going to kill their children.
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- The gospel has come out from this spot so many thousands of times.
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- And God has saved so many thousands of children. To my mind, this ought to be a monument.
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- It is a monument. It is a monument. It's a monument to one man's faithfulness, to a silent hero, a man who's given his life for these children.
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- And I was saying this earlier, so many thousands of children are going to go through their whole lives never even hear the story of the hero who saved their lives.
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- Many of the mothers and fathers who turned away from killing the children aren't going to tell their child, you know,
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- I was going to kill you and then this man stopped me. They'll never tell them. Who knows?
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- God knows. John knows. Those mothers and fathers know. But their children, they won't know that their life is a reality because of one man's faithfulness in this hot sun.
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- Outside of this one place of death for so many years.
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- And there's a monument to his heroic acts. There's a monument to his faithfulness.
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- And it's, it truly is incredible because I don't know if it comes through on the camera like it does when you're here.
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- But if you feel the sidewalk all around here, it's consistent, it's rough.
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- But as soon as you move over here, John has stood here and you can see where he's worn the sidewalk down.
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- And even where when he was standing on his crutches, he's worn the sidewalk down to where this is white.
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- But it's not just white. He's literally worn it down to where there's holes in the concrete.
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- You can feel this man's faithfulness. The monument to it. All of this dark and consistent.
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- And then the concrete just worn down from the weight of his body pushing into those crutches, leaving a mark of gospel faithfulness going through those doors.
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- And it's powerful because wouldn't it be amazing if one day, like this was an actual historic site.
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- I think it ought to be. I know it is in God's mind. But to me, this is one of the most precious moments of my life to be able to see this.
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- Because this man and his silent faithfulness, the silent hero was out here preaching the gospel to these women, saving lives long before most of us got involved in this.
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- There are many heroes besides John. Don't forget that. But many of us today who are out preaching the gospel and saving lives are doing it in a particular context that's just so different.
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- John and others like him were out here as silent heroes before most of us had woken up.
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- And here's the monument to his faithfulness. I'm so glad I got to touch it.
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- And you can not just hear this story. You cannot just hear this story and say,
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- Oh, that was amazing. Praise God for this man. And move on. Don't do that.
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- Don't do that. We're a part of this now as the church with the gospel to save lives and preach the gospel.
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- This is about the truth. This isn't merely a political situation.
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- I'm not trying to draw on your heartstrings. There's real children being slaughtered inside this location and others like it that are near you.
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- You can be a part of what God is doing to save children and to bring the gospel into conflict with the issue of abortion.
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- All right. I've been asked to give five tips on how to get started in abortion ministry. Everywhere you go, everything's going to be a little bit different.
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- But these are five things that I think are pretty essential. Number one,
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- I think that the best deal is when we are able to own that abortion clinic.
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- When you're able to get somebody there full time to head up the ministry there.
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- I'm so thankful that there's people around the country now that are doing that. But it's very important to own that place.
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- I'm at my abortion clinic every day. And there's people that can come and minister. They know that they're going to be in Orlando that day or a certain day for some other doctor's appointment or something.
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- So they know, though, that they can come by that clinic and minister there for an hour or two or do whatever on any day.
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- And then once everybody knows that you're there, then it flows that people would come down and minister with you.
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- It's very important that you have the local church behind you and that you're supported and fed and taken care of by the people in your church that they agree with you that they're behind this type of ministry that they believe that the church should be down fighting for the lives of innocent babies and that the gospel should be brought to such a wicked place.
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- Now, I know there's a lot of people whose churches aren't behind them for that. But I would suggest then that you try to find another church.
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- I know that I wouldn't be able to do what I do if I didn't have the support, love, and care of not only the leaders in my church, but also the members of my church.
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- Well, they provide care, prayer, love. They support financially.
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- They also have a support for the people that choose life. There's a group of women at our church that, when someone chooses life at the abortion clinic, you can turn them over to them and they'll be discipled.
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- They'll be taken care of. They'll become involved in their lives.
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- And it's a very important, very important thing. Another thing that you need to do is to know scripture, especially scripture that pertains to the ministry down at the mill.
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- That God tells us in Romans 1 that the gospel is the power of God.
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- So when we come there, our two weapons are prayer and God's word.
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- And those are the tools that He has instituted for us to fight this fight with.
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- So you don't want to go down there without a sword. You don't want to go get into a battle without a sword.
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- Just study as much as you can of scriptures that pertain to what
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- God thinks of abortion, what the consequences of it are, His faithfulness to everyone that is obedient and commits themselves to Him and repents of it.
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- Always have and always be looking, never quit looking, actually, for resources. Unfortunate that I have several pregnancy centers in the
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- Orlando area, but we also have people in our church that do. And everything from adoption to just taking care of whatever needs they have.
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- But just always know what you can. Now, it takes time. I know if you're going to go start at a brand new place, it's going to take you time to figure all these things out.
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- But the Lord will lead you in it. It's very important too that you have follow -up with these ladies.
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- As much as they'll let you into their lives. There's a dear lady that comes down and helps the clinic where I'm at.
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- Her name is Karen. She has Bible studies and everything for people that choose life and tries to disciple them and tries to lead them all to Christ and be involved evangelistically in their families as well.
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- That is really important because so many of them, if you're not careful, can fall through the cracks.
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- Even when you are really trying to not let anybody fall through the cracks, it can happen.
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- So you want people that can take care of that thing. Like all
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- I can do myself, personally, is I go to an abortion clinic and I try to speak to people as they're arriving.
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- And then I preach the word. And then they come out and someone chooses life.
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- Pray with them and send them on the way with the resources. But I can't be involved in all these people's lives.
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- And the people that, I'm just like the mouth. And then there's all these other people that are hearts and hands and arms that are so desperately important.
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- And that is the key to truly having a ministry.
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- It's a whole package. These are just a few points that I was asked to bring out.
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- And I would just encourage you to research it all yourself. It's your baby.
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- God gave it to you regardless of anybody there. When nobody else is there, there's love right here, right there.
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- Hi, my name is Deanna Peterson. This here is Dion. First of all, he looks just like me.
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- So he is the cutest thing. I think he's smart from, you know, he's only four months now.
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- But he does a lot of stuff that is really fun to see, you know.
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- It's fun to see them grow up and do stuff that they wasn't doing yesterday or the day before.
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- And then I imagine what he's going to look like when he gets Bryce's age. Bryce turns two in a week. You know, emotions were already high.
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- I just had my first baby. And then when he was turning one, then I found out
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- I was pregnant with him. I was not having good luck with jobs. My living situation wasn't really that good.
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- You know, like, what am I going to do now? But, you know, I figured it all out and he's here now.
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- So I had actually been sitting inside for a while. Um, when
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- I had walked past originally, you know, like everybody, he just waved them off at me like, you know, you're going to go do what you're going to do.
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- I walked back outside because I was like really impatient about it. I'm like, dang, it's like 30 ,000 people in here.
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- Like everybody want to do the same thing on the same day. So I went back outside. I called my children's father and my mom was outside.
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- She was the one who took me up there. She didn't want to really take me. I'm like, you know, I'm thinking there's something I got to do.
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- Like, mom, please, he just take me. But then I did stand there and I had a conversation with Andrew.
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- And it kind of, it really changed my perception from that point on. Because I had the same mindset, same decision thinking when
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- I was pregnant with my first son. I was like, oh my God. And then I had somebody save me then too. So, you know, it'd be a blessing that them people do be outside.
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- Because ain't no telling where I would be without either one of them. But I love them so much. If Andrew wasn't outside,
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- I probably would have still took the time to really contemplate it. Because once you in there, like you, you know, you kind of start feeling guilty.
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- You'd be like, you don't really know if that's what you want to do. But then you think about, you know, of course, you think about who's going to be there for you and all that stuff when it really don't matter.
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- Because God's there for you. You're going to be there for them. Life would be different. You know, I just have my one versus my two.
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- You know, honestly, I'd probably be in the same situation I was in. Because, you know,
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- I wasn't really pushing hard enough and trying hard enough. But I had him and I guess it gave me a little more strength.
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- It gave me a little more faith to fight and keep going. Just imagine the little you.
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- Like if somebody ended your life, you wouldn't be here. So, you know, like, why would you take this gift to you?
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- You know, why would you take that away from me? When I'm mad and I be sometimes don't want to look at him sometimes because I'm so mad.
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- But then I do and then I'm just, I'm overjoyed. I'm filled with life, love, everything in between.
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- Ken Cheeseman, Raleigh, North Carolina. You know, we wanted to do some evangelism. But then we started seeing, you know, this could be, you know, abortion ministry could be effective for evangelism.
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- YouTube, just started watching, found Durbin confronting people.
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- And then, yeah, YouTube, basically. Well, I mean, at the place that we're at now, we have our pro -life,
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- I don't know, pregnancy center type place that's completely hostile and hates what we do.
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- They're trying to do what we do. And they, and they really just hate the gospel. I think they don't give them the gospel.
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- They're out there and they say, we're not with them. We're not with them. Yeah, we're not with them.
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- No. And they have, you know, they have gift bags. There's food in the bag.
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- There's information about getting the ultrasound. But we asked them to look in the bag and there's not even a gospel track.
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- I really do think they're ashamed of the gospel. It's about handing out these bags and getting people to have the ultrasound so they can check the box so they can extort money from churches that are afraid to share the gospel.
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- People should support End Abortion Now because they're not ashamed of the gospel.
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- And they're proclaiming the law of God, which that's what's going to work on the heart to bring people to the knowledge of Jesus Christ.
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- I mean, it is the gospel. We can't be ashamed of the full counsel of God. If we don't proclaim it, if the church doesn't proclaim it, there's no organization on earth that will.
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- And then you have these pseudo Christian organizations, again, extorting and taking money from Christians in the name of Christ, but will not speak the true message of Jesus Christ.
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- Hi, I'm Jeff Durbin, pastor of Apologia Church and the head of EndAbortionNow .com. I am so excited to present to you what
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- God has done over the last year through your prayers and your support. All that you've done to partner with us as a
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- Christian church, trying to equip other Christian churches globally to save lives at the abortion mill and to establish justice, immediate justice for these pre -born children.
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- Years ago, when we started this ministry, we told you that we were a Christian church that wanted to make this about the gospel.
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- We did not want to work with the pro -life industry who are trying to regulate the issue of abortion. We wanted to establish justice, to abolish this, to criminalize it, and to end it once and for all.
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- When we first started, we told you that we wanted to raise churches up, to equip them completely for free.
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- We wanted to educate them. We wanted to provide for them all the resources to go out and to save lives at the abortion mill.
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- As of today, over 615 local churches have signed up. They have been equipped.
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- They have been trained. They've gotten free resources. We haven't taken anything from these churches. We've wanted only to give to them.
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- Through your support, we've been able to equip them and train them and give them all their resources to save lives completely for free.
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- Over 615 churches, countless lives have been saved at this point. Thousands upon thousands of lives are being saved and they continue to be saved on a regular basis because of what you did with us.
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- You gave to this church to equip these churches and now thousands of children are alive because of that.
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- We knew that we needed to create a media ministry, that it was a platform that could communicate consistently on this issue of abortion from a consistent
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- Christian perspective that worked towards the end, the criminalization and the abolition of abortion in our nation.
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- We knew that we needed to speak with the gospel, demanding immediate justice to our legislators. We started a movement across the country of Christians going to the legislature and demanding immediate justice.
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- That all has happened. And now we've been able to work with Christians across the country who are working with their legislators to criminalize the issue of abortion.
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- Right now in the state of Arizona, we have a representative who is presenting a bill to criminalize, not regulate, to end the issue of abortion in the state of Arizona.
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- Roe v. Wade is a court opinion. It does not have the force of law. It is not a law and that is admitted now.
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- Number one, we don't know exactly what she will do. The expectation is that she may very well move the overview over Roe.
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- The only responsible response to that would be to pass legislation making Roe the law of the land.
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- That's what I would do. We needed to educate believers that Roe v. Wade is a court opinion and states need to reject an unjust ruling by judges in the 1970s.
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- We knew that we needed to actually approach this consistently in a way that was different than the pro -life industry has, where they're working towards regulation and not the ultimate criminalization of abortion.
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- They call mothers and fathers who have abortions victims themselves. You'll never end abortion with that mindset, with that worldview.
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- The pro -life industry refuses to call abortion murder, what Christians would call it. We've wanted to raise churches up to actually equip them to focus on this issue as Christians, not with neutrality, but with the gospel demanding immediate justice.
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- We've been able to do that through your support over 615 local churches now out saving thousands of lives.
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- We have now established other media ministries. We, through your support, have actually given numerous churches their own media kit where they're actually going to be able to produce their own content, just like Apologia Studios.
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- We've given them high -end cameras and recording equipment, sound equipment, tripods, lenses, so they can do what we're doing to broaden the reach of the voices of those within the
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- Christian church who can speak to this issue with consistency as Christians for the end of abortion.
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- We've been able to raise up churches in Ireland, Northern Ireland, in the Republic of Ireland, and in Scotland, who are speaking to this issue as Christians in Ireland, in Australia, in New Zealand, in Canada.
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- God has made this movement global, and it's happened because of your support with us. I want to speak to you from the heart here.
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- We are not trying to create an industry. I long for the day when we shut all this down and don't ask for another penny to support these churches and to criminalize this issue.
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- We are working as a Christian church to criminalize this and to establish justice and to save lives.
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- You've helped us to do that, and you've helped us to do it in a way where we've been no burden to the churches.
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- We've just helped them, equipped them. You did that. You supported us. You prayed.
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- And right now we have legislators in Indiana, South Carolina, Texas, Oklahoma, and in Arizona who are going to be putting in bills to criminalize abortion, to resist
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- Roe versus Wade, and to criminalize abortion at the state level. It's going to be happening here in Arizona.
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- It's already being submitted. And all that's happening because of the work of EndAbortionNow .com
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- and other believers across the country who are trying to establish justice, true justice for these pre -born children.
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- Will you join us again in 2021? Of course, pray for us. Of course, please sign up at EndAbortionNow .com
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- with your church. Save some lives with us. There's Christians all over the country that need you to join us.
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- We need your help to save lives. But also partner with us so we can equip more churches, develop more media ministries to speak to this issue in the public square together, and to once and for all criminalize abortion in our nation.
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- Help us to meet our matching donation for 2020. Help us through 2021 to save more lives and to end the slaughter of these innocent pre -born children in the womb.
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- When you give to EndAbortionNow .com, you're giving to equip local churches to save lives.
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- That's all there is to it. Lives are being saved every single day across the country and around the world now because of believers just like you who gave.
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- You are helping to raise churches up and you are saving lives. You're helping to establish media ministries like Apologia Studios that are speaking to this issue consistently, that are raising up Christians, that are helping to actually end, to criminalize the issue of abortion.
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- You're helping us to actually train and equip Christians to do what we've been able to do across the country now.
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- Christians have been able to talk to their legislators and demand immediate justice. Just think about this.
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- 10 years ago, we weren't in a place that we are now where we have legislators who are actually saying, end it.
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- It's over. We're criminalizing this. We're abolishing it. Now we're here. Christians have been working so faithfully in this area and you can partner with a ministry like Apologia through EndAbortionNow to raise up churches, to bring the message of the gospel into conflict with abortion and to bring the message of immediate justice to legislatures across the country like this one.
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- It's happening in Arizona right now. We have people all over the country now who are in this.
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- This is unprecedented in our time to see so many changes right on the line.
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- And I just want to reiterate again, I am so looking forward to the day as a pastor where we never do another one of these videos except just to celebrate what
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- God has done. We never ask for another penny. The pro -life industry is an industry.
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- It's a business. When you give this to the church, the church can work with the gospel to end this issue and never ask for another penny.
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- Brothers and sisters, will you give? Help us to match our donation so we can fund all the work for 2021.
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- Will you help us in this moment in time to work to the end of abortion as the
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- Christian church? Help us to work in such a way that we end this, we don't regulate it, we criminalize it and establish justice for our pre -born neighbors now.
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- That's what's happening. So many churches, so many lives saved. Now more media ministries than ours able to speak to this with good quality content, with a consistent message and working with the legislators to criminalize this issue in our country.
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- Will you partner with a Christian church that makes this about the gospel, that makes this about ending abortion once and for all?
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- We can celebrate together when we never ask for another penny from a
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- Christian to end this issue because it's ended. Go to endabortionnow .com.
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- Sign up with your church to join us in saving lives. Go to endabortionnow .com to give towards the work of 2021.
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- All of your giving goes towards raising up churches, saving lives, creating media content and media ministries to speak to this issue and to training churches to actually end this at the legislature.
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- Join us for 2021 brothers and sisters. I'd be so grateful if you did. Are you recording?
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- Let me know when you're going. The very first thing that she said to us or said to me was,
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- I quit and I'm willing to tell you whatever you want to know. And that's before any offer.
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- Before any offer. That was before it took her several attempts to reach me because we're not friends and I didn't see the message come across.
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- And so she reiterated it and I thought, well, great, we can at least meet and it'll give me an opportunity to find out where she's at and share the gospel with her.
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- So Kim and I took her out to lunch on Tuesday of last week and sat with her for like an hour and a half while she just told us details about what was happening.
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- They were very helpful information for us to have but I knew Marcus was coming to town. So I'm like, this is providential.
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- Right. Maybe she'll agree to it. I didn't really know that she would, but she did agree to it.
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- We don't believe that she was saved or that she quit because she's against abortion, but you and a group that you're with decide to help her out.
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- Well, I used to work at Whole Woman's Health, Fort Worth ended up leaving due to the fact that, well, there's a lot of reasons why, but the straw that broke the camel's back made me pick between my small child versus them, is basically what it came down to.
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- And I chose child, so they didn't win that battle. They were increasing the hours. They were becoming increasingly more, before they were more,
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- I guess, more accommodating would be the best word to use, more accommodating to people's schedules and people that have kids versus the ones that didn't because they can do whatever they wanted to.
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- And it got to the point where if the accommodations just stopped, they wouldn't even listen to them, just said no.
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- And it came down to, well, you can pick your kid or us. So I'm like, well, kid wins.
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- But I got the impression from the interview that she did not quit out of an opposition to abortion. I think she's been on the wire, on the line with it, but I think in the interview it came out that she wasn't really opposed to it.
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- So I believe that she quit for practical reasons. So with the increasing hours, the reason behind that is...
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- More patients. Mm -hmm. So they can fit in more people within their certain timeline because they were seeing so many people during one time.
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- Well, hey, if we open up more slots, we can see even more people and people that maybe have to go to work, but they can't come in at like four o 'clock in the afternoon, two o 'clock in the afternoon, whatever it may be.
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- So if we open them up after six, like six or seven, and we start seeing patients maybe about 740, stop having them scheduled at 740, 730, then we can see more people and squeeze more people even in.
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- Right. Yeah. She did share with us some information that I think would be helpful. And one of the things that we don't know because we're never in there, but she said that the people inside can hear every word that you're saying when you're preaching, especially on the amplification.
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- Depending on where someone was. So if you were on the, if you were facing the building, if you were on the left -hand side of the building, we could hear you pretty well.
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- That's very helpful when we're out there with an amplifier and we can say, hey, if you're there right now, you know, you need to get out of there and we can speak more directly to that situation.
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- Very helpful. Are there women, cause they know they're killing their child.
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- Do you think there's women in there that don't know it's a child? About a 50, 50 on that one.
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- I think some of them, maybe they're in denial. Maybe it'd be probably the best way to put it is denial about it.
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- And then there's some in there that come in, like they've been there several times and they know exactly what they're doing.
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- They know exactly what's going on and they're like, okay, just get it done. I don't care. I was,
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- I was kind of, I was always on the fence with it. I think I reconciled it a little bit because I didn't actually go in the room rooms when they were doing anything.
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- So I think that's kind of how I, you know, played it out in my head. Cause I was like, I was either working in the front office doing paperwork, like, you know,
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- I'm just looking at a bunch of paper all day or I'm just taking some vitals here and there or doing this, this and take, maybe drawing some blood.
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- Other than that, I wasn't having anything really to, inadvertently with it. What I thought was interesting too is that they insulate the staff from that.
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- There's only very few people who get to see the gruesome part of it. And I think that's to insulate them for what they're actually doing.
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- Although they know it, but I think it, you know, it makes it even more real to them when they see that. What you're bringing to light here is that they're not treating, they're treating the patients badly.
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- They're treating their own staff badly. Yeah. They're just trying to get people in and out, like as quickly as possible.
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- Yeah. Cause if they can get them in and out, especially then they also push the surgical. They push that one more.
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- Yeah. It doesn't make more money. Well, it's not even that they make more money. Especially when like they're like, say someone's seven weeks, right?
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- They're not going to make more money off someone doing surgical versus the medication. They're not going to, cause they're the same price.
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- They're the exact same price. So no matter which way you flipped it, they're the exact same.
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- And they, they push the surgical because apparently there's like a quota he has to meet for the surgicals themselves.
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- Not so much the medication, but for the surgical. I'm not sure why. I never was told why.
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- I just was told that we really need to push surgicals or whatever, because of. Well, that would be, that's where I would wonder about the whole selling stuff.
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- They take it to the bathroom. There's a dirty path and a clean path. So she takes the jar and dumps it into that little, like a little,
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- I thought it was like a colander. It's like one of those things you kind of like, almost like pull out of something from a deep fryer.
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- And the best way I can describe it, it's kind of like that metal wiring mesh kind of deal.
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- And then they rinse it out. And then I know that from there, they ended up dumping it onto a light table that you'd use for drawing.
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- And then they put it on there to make sure. And sometimes the doctor would actually ask to verify.
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- I'm not sure exactly. To verify they got everything. Yeah. He would have, he would come in like, okay, I guess he had like a little once over.
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- And then, okay. And then from there, I know they would put it in a biohazard bag. Sometimes I've seen the biohazard bag.
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- And then put it in the freezer. And then it sits in the freezer till whoever it is that comes to pick it up.
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- And one time that freezer actually went out. And that was horrible. We ended up having to buy a new freezer and have it sent in.
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- Like she literally went to like Costco or something and bought like another small, because it's not very big. It's about yay wide freezer and about as tall as the table.
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- So it's not, it's not a very large freezer. They keep in there. When it goes out, obviously it stinks in there.
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- Yeah. Whenever you would open that dirty path door, it was bad. It was really, really bad.
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- Just the door to the room. Yeah. Because that room was sealed pretty well in the first place.
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- So it was only, you only got to smelt it whenever someone had to open that door. I can just imagine that, you know, the feeling inside that these babies that they had murdered were going to start to stink.
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- And that there was a bit of a panic for them to get another freezer. I thought that was a really telling of what goes on there. Very telling.
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- It's the reality that of bloodshed and murder that's taking, it's the evidence.
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- Based on what she was saying, it really kind of matches up with the David Daleiden videos that keeping those remains in the freezer, what other purpose would there be for the quotas, right?
- 59:42
- It's just, it's horrific, right? I mean, imagine you're trying to make sure you've got all the pieces of a dead baby.
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- New at noon, an important appeals court ruling on a Texas law requiring doctors who perform abortions to show sonograms to patients.
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- Now, federal appeals court in New Orleans says that Texas can enforce the law.
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- With the sonograms, what are they showing the women? What do they show them? They only show them if they ask.
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- So if they ask, then they show. I had a couple of patients, you know, that came in and they asked me, like, can I see it?
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- I'm like, yeah, just, you know, that's fine. You can see it. Like, no one's like, I'm not going to stop you from seeing it. If you want to see it, just tell them, like, hey,
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- I really, like, I'll tell her in the hallway, like, make sure that she's aware that you already want to see it. And, like,
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- I would do that at least. I know other people probably wouldn't have done it, but I would be like, OK, well, hey, this patient in room one wants to be able to see the sonogram, just heads up.
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- And I'm like, oh, OK. And then, but if they don't want, if anyone tells them beforehand or they don't tell them, they won't see it.
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- They won't show it. OK, well, the fetal Doppler, since our sonogram machines don't do anything with that because they're old.
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- Yeah, well, one's a little newer, one's a little older, but they don't have that capability of, like, sound. So they don't have the sound capability.
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- And I don't know if that was by coincidence or what, but the fetal, so they have to have, since their sonogram machines don't do that, they have to have the fetal
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- Dopplers in each room that they have procedures in order to, if, say, that they want to hear the heartbeat, they'll be able to hear a heartbeat.
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- I've never, they're still in the box as far as last time I checked, because I have never seen anyone.
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- Like, brand spanking new. Like, brand new, still in the box. I think it still has, like, the paper stuff, like, wrapped around.
- 01:01:36
- Well, what you're seeing there in that interview is what we said in Babies Are Still Murdered here, that the industry, the abortion industry can, they don't have to follow these pro -life regulations.
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- There's loopholes. And this is just proof of what we were talking about there, that these pro -life regulations will not, they're unenforceable, completely unenforceable.
- 01:02:01
- They do what they want with those loopholes to fit what they're trying to do, make money.
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- And again, there's no one that's really standing over his shoulder, making sure the Texas state law regarding the sonogram.
- 01:02:15
- Well, that's, who's supposed to be doing it is the clinic manager, but she's, I don't know, she's gone doing whatever, so.
- 01:02:21
- Okay, but she doesn't, so she's normally not doing that. Yeah, she's normally either running around like a chicken with her head cut off.
- 01:02:28
- Right. Or she's not even there, or she's just hanging out in her office talking to one of the other managers. And yeah.
- 01:02:35
- So that's not happening from the office manager standpoint. Oh yeah. So yeah, okay.
- 01:02:40
- Even though these types of clinics are the enemy, I mean, we as Christians have to be fair to them.
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- This was one woman. One woman. We didn't have a corroborating testimony from her. So we believe that she has no reason to lie.
- 01:02:52
- Right. And what she says might not have been accurate. I mean, I trust what she said, but we have to keep in mind that this is uncorroborated testimony, and we have to give them that benefit as Christians, even though they are the enemy.
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- A few months ago, I remember women coming out of the clinic limping really dramatically.
- 01:03:09
- It looked like probably they had a torn uterus. From just, you know, having been out in front of clinics for a long time.
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- Just observing and knowing what happens. So do you know of that happening often there?
- 01:03:25
- No, it's only happened once. And like the one time since I was there.
- 01:03:31
- And that was because a patient was not listening. And they were trying to like, like, you need to be still. Like, you know, we don't want to like do anything to hurt you.
- 01:03:39
- We need you to be still because there's something sharp and stuff like that. Like, you've got to be still. Okay. And she just kept wiggling and everything.
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- And he's like, well, I think I think I just ruptured her uterus because she just wiggled.
- 01:03:52
- Like she literally turned one way and then flipped again really fast. And so he's like, well, okay,
- 01:03:59
- I think that just happened because she won't be still. But the funny thing about that is they only have to,
- 01:04:07
- I guess, file a report of some kind if he knows for a fact he did it.
- 01:04:14
- But if he suspects he did it, they don't have to file a report. So on that one, they suspected.
- 01:04:22
- He said, I suspect I did because the way she was moving and the way she started bleeding, I suspect that I might have.
- 01:04:29
- So, and then, you know, call an ambulance and all that and get her out of there and get her looked at. But then he doesn't have to file a report. Yeah. As long as he suspects.
- 01:04:35
- Unless he knows, knows, then they have to file a report. But if he says he suspects it, then they don't have to.
- 01:04:40
- So there's a loophole built in for them so they can dodge it? Pretty much. Another loophole.
- 01:04:47
- OK. One thing that struck me with interviewing Amanda as well is that if it's not a gospel proclamation,
- 01:04:52
- I mean, we're thrilled that she quit her job. But if she doesn't repent and put her trust in Jesus Christ, she is no closer to heaven for quitting her job.
- 01:04:59
- So our goal is not to get women to quit their jobs. Right. It's not to get women to stop killing their babies.
- 01:05:05
- Ultimately, we want that, but we want it because we want them to be safe. Because if they don't kill their baby for pragmatic or practical reasons or they quit for practical reasons, they're still going to hell.
- 01:05:15
- Right. So that's why I, you know, you as well, believe that we go to the clinics to share the gospel with them because it's a target -rich environment of unbelievers.
- 01:05:22
- Right. Because I don't believe a true believer would go there and kill their child. Yeah. All we will do from here on out is just continue to minister to her needs and continue to, you know, present the gospel to her.
- 01:05:39
- My experience before I came to Christ, I was a pastor for about 12 years. And when
- 01:05:44
- I realized I wasn't even saved, but I was pastoring, I was preaching every Sunday, doing all that. And then