August 25, 2025 Show with A. M. Brewster on “What Really Matters”

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And I am thrilled to have back on the program two returning guests who are also old friends.

Of mine.

We have A .M. Brewster and Andrew Rappaport joining me today to discuss what really matters, which is also the theme of a conference coming up in September the 12th through the 14th at Oxford Valley Chapel in Levittown, Pennsylvania.

But first of all, let me introduce A .M. Brewster, founder and president of Evermind Ministries, chief editor for Striving for Eternity Ministries, an ACBC-certified biblical counselor, author, and conference speaker.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, A .M. Brewster. Thank you so much, Chris.

I really enjoy spending these times with you. I really appreciate that. Thank you for that kind introduction. I am the director of Evermind Ministries, but today really more so I come as a representative of Striving for Eternity because as the editor of the blog and as one of their speakers, this conference that's coming up in Levittown, Pennsylvania is really it's a Striving for Eternity conference.

So I do, yeah, I have the pleasure of telling people about my ministry and tell people about my new book quick, but I'm super excited to really minister to this church because this church is one of the supporting churches of Striving for Eternity, which makes it possible for us to go and put on conferences for churches that can't afford to put on the big conferences that so many other larger churches can.

So excited to be here, excited to talk about the topic of the conference as well as invite anyone of your listeners who can get there to plan on coming for this three-day conference.

Now, did I mispronounce the name of the city? Is it Levittown, like you said, or Levittown?

Levittown, like you said.

OK.

You know what? I tried so hard. I've been, I've been so, and there's Lancaster and all. I was trying so hard, but apparently it's Levittown and all the people in Pennsylvania now won't come because they don't like me.

Well, that that name is very familiar to me, having been born and raised on Long Island. And there is a very famous Levittown, Long Island. Levittown, Long Island is considered the first suburb in America.

But anyway, well, I am looking forward to, God willing, being present at that conference at Oxford Valley Chapel in Levittown, Pennsylvania. And I'll be sitting at my exhibitors booth if anyone cares to greet me and say hello and get some free materials from Iron Trip and Zion Radio.

But a special co-host with me today is my old friend Andrew Rappaport, who is the founder and president of Striving for Eternity Ministries. He's also an author and a conference speaker. In fact, if you actually do a Google search on conferences anywhere in the United States, Andrew will be on the roster.

And Andrew has the rare and dubious honor of being the, I think, the only or at least the very first Iron Trip and Zion Radio guest to actually interviewed me instead of me interviewing him. But it's great to have you serve as my co-host today, Andrew.

Well, thanks for having me on. Yes, you are correct. Levittown, Pennsylvania was based off of Levittown, New York.

Oh, wow.

Yeah, the guy who had been involved in Levittown, New York and setting that up came and wanted to create, because so many New Yorkers were coming down that way and created a town that had similarities to that of New York.

And one of its proud sons is Bill O 'Reilly, and that will have a mixed reaction of many people. He is not universally loved. I have a lot of admiration for Bill, but despise some of his writings. He slandered the Puritans in his book on the Salem witch trials, killing the witches.

And I had to have a guest on the program to respond to his book. And of course, his book, Killing Jesus, was filled with inaccuracies and heresies and all kinds of stuff. But anyway, that's not why we're here today.

Strivingforeternity .org is your website, right, Andrew?

That's correct. And so, as Aaron said, what we do for our supporting churches, any church that supports us, we come to them on our dime to, well, there's helping support it, but it's one of the ways we try to bless those churches that are helping us get to other churches that cannot afford to, well, to afford, as Aaron said, to have a conference in their church.

Now, this particular church is a little bit special. There's two reasons why I am not speaking at it. One is it's my home church, and while they're already used to me, I preach there several times a year, so it's nothing special for them to have me there.

But the other reason is, you know, as you know, you've been helping Jeffrey Rice promote the conference, The Roadmap to Revival, and I had already, I had been scheduled to go to that one. So I'm going to be out that way.

So Aaron's going to be at my home church and I won't even get to see him. It's really sad.

Yeah, Aaron actually planned it that way. Yeah.

How can I get out of town?

Well, if anybody has any questions, it seems, though, that this may open up a very broad spectrum of questions, if anybody in the audience has a question, because the theme that I've announced is rather broad, although Aaron might have a lot more narrow definition of what really matters, really means.

But that is the theme of the conference, what really matters. And if you could even be more specific, Aaron, about what you plan to address at this conference at Oxford Valley Chapel in Levittown, Pennsylvania.

I love sitting down with a pastor and talking about how I can help minister to his people, how I can come in and be a blessing in the process that he is working with them to equip them for the work in the ministry.

So every single time I'm invited to speak someplace, that's the first thing I do. And we talk about different topics that are ones that I talk on a lot. We talk about what they've been learning recently, and we just put together a plan to help equip them in the best way possible.

So this particular conference, as we discussed some of the things that I am asked to speak about relatively frequently, really a lot of those topics resonated and seemed to be something that the pastor and the church were excited about digging into.

And as a biblical counselor, the things that I talk most on tend to be a counseling topic, be at the annual conference of the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors this October, speaking on counseling children who've been exposed to sexuality.

I'll also be talking about giving homework assignments to your counselees that can really get to the heart and help them to have significant change and growth in their lives. So I talk on that a little bit, but much more.

I talk about family and the important roles within family. So that's going to come up during the conference, as well as the broader topics of really, I think they come down to identity. I think it comes down to worldview, which everybody has.

The problem is that everybody assumes that their worldview is accurate and everybody assumes that their identity is correctly identified. When the reality is so often, it's not. And I can say this for myself, as a sinner, my worldview is not always accurate.

There are times that I think I'm right. I do things that are right in my own eyes. The Bible talks about people who roll boulders only to have boulders roll back on them. And I'm certain that this boulder I'm rolling is what I should be doing only to have it crushing me later on.

So I don't always view things correctly. And my identity is far too often wrapped up in things that it shouldn't be. So those sound like, you know, when we talk about identity, we talk about worldview.

I think the most Christians who are being equipped in their churches are saying they're nodding their head and saying, yeah, those are important. But I understand those things. I get it. That's not really where I am right now in my spiritual growth.

I need something different. I'm more interested in looking at different doctrines or niche issues. But what I've found as I've interacted with congregations and counselees and pastors is that after opening the scriptures to look at the types of things that we're going to talk about this conference, by God's grace and the power of the Holy Spirit, we come face to face with the fact that we really do have deceptive hearts.

We are delusional so often in what we think we're doing and how we think we're doing it, but oftentimes, to put it into the vernacular, we really do need to get back to the basics and be challenged on, we say that our identity is in Christ, but are we actually living it?

How do we know? What does the scripture require of us? So what really matters is the question on the table. And I think every person is born into this world asking that question. I have a podcast called Truth Love Parents, and one of the series we did was the biggest parenting challenges you will ever face.

And all of the biggest parenting challenges we'll ever face grow from this idea that all humans are pursuing what I call security. And security is made up of two things, safety, perceived safety, as well as our perceived satisfaction.

Even infants do what they do because they want to be secure, they want to be safe, and they want to be satisfied. And as we go through our lives, everything that we do really stems from the pursuit of those things.

But at the root of all that is the question, so what really is security? What really matters? What is really the most important thing when it comes to safety and satisfaction? And I'll take it one step further, who gets to define it?

Again, as Christians, we say, well, of course, God gets to define what it is to be truly.

Secure.

And I'm not talking about eternal security from the salvation justification standpoint, I'm talking about just that variance of feeling safe and believing that we're satisfied. God gets to identify it and gets to delineate it, of course, but again, practically speaking, far too often, and I forget who said it, I know Calvin said something about us being perpetual idol factories and somebody else made the observation that we really so often live like practical atheists.

So opening up the scriptures to say, okay, what really does genuinely matter? How does God define what it is to be truly spiritually safe and spiritually satisfied? Who is he? Who are we? What does that mean for us?

So the topics on Friday, September 12th, I'll be speaking on the topic of God, followed up by the topic of the church. And I really like the questions in the description section of the ad that Andrew put together.

He puts questions next to these, and they're really great questions for us to consider and to pursue and to really not just blithely or say, oh yes, no, I know the answer to that, but really drill down and ask ourselves the specifics, which is what we'll be doing at the conference.

So as we talk about the topic of God, about what really matters, this question here is, is there a purpose beyond ourselves? Again, all the Christians listening say, well, of course there is. But too often, the reality is that when we look at our daily life, everything we did from the clothes we wore to the food that we ate to the job that we did, the entertainment that we consumed really was just because we wanted to.

And there was no real significant reason beyond that. As we talk about the church, Andrew wrote the question, does community still matter? And what's funny is that the world recognizes that community matters.

I'm actually, I live at the epicenter of where Hurricane Helene hit North Carolina. And there is a nonprofit group called the Transylvania County Long-Term Recovery Group, and they have subcommittees.

And there's a subcommittee called the Spiritual and Emotional Wellness Committee. And I have the privilege of being on that. And they're putting together a memorial event coming up on September 27. And the whole purpose of this event is really to promote community, to get people out there and in their vernacular, sharing their stories with each other, talking about how we came together as a community and we overcame.

Now, my purpose in all of this is truly to keep God and his character and his healing and keep him at the center of this experience and helping people to realize that he is the only person who can ever bring true healing.

He is the only person who can ever bring true security. But I say all that to say that the world understands that community matters, and yet we Christians treat it so flippantly far too often. I was meeting with a woman today in counseling, and we were talking about the fact that when she was going through some very, very difficult times in her past, the church that she was part of was not there to support her.

In fact, when she asked them to fulfill the Matthew 18 process with her, her church said, no, we don't do that.

Ha, that is bizarre.

Yeah.

By the way, I had a similar circumstance years ago. Not going to identify the church or anything like that, but the church needed to be approached because I was the only one in a conflict where I had been defrauded of nearly a thousand dollars by a professing Christian at a place where we both worked.

It was a place I worked part-time on top of my regular employment. And when I sought to confront this individual privately, as Matthew 18 instructs us, he rejected that. And then I got his pastor involved.

His pastor sided with me. And then the individual who was involved in ripping me off was furious about this. The organization hired an attorney to defend this particular employee, and the church backed away from defending me because the lawyer was a member of that church.

And it was a mess. I was the only one that was seeking to resolve a very serious conflict biblically. But anyway, I'm sorry, that was a long detour. Just trying to demonstrate some empathy towards that person that you were talking about.

And it's necessary. And I think that as people are listening to what you're saying, and what she said, and what I'm saying, I think to a large degree, many of us recognize the fact that we're human. We live in our churches, and no church is perfect.

We have sinners in our churches. We're sinners, right? But the goal is that God has high expectations for the community of God's church. And what is that really supposed to look like? How can we look at our church and say, okay, our body of believers is truly fulfilling God's responsibility for us?

And far too many people don't know. They go, they hear preaching, they get things, and they go home. And the world is actually pursuing better community than we Christians have in the church far too often.

And as they search for community, they're not searching for it in the church, because they find that other communities are doing a better job in many ways. So that's God and church on Friday. On Saturday, I had the privilege of talking about what really matters as it comes to the world.

Andrew asked the question in the description, can one life really make a difference? I think so many of us don't get involved in being truly like the salt and light that God calls us to be in this world because of two reasons.

One, because we're ignorant of it, or I say two reasons. I guess it's obviously more than that. But we're ignorant of it, or we don't want to do it. But sometimes I think some people are just like, what can I do?

The world is going to hell in a handbasket. And what difference can I possibly make? Now, all of that thinking is wrong. Like if I'm ignorant of it, I need to be learning. If I don't want to do it, I'm clearly rebelling against God's expectations.

But even that despair, that overwhelming feeling of what's the point is not a Christ-honoring response. One life can, by God's grace, always make a difference. But we have to go about it the right way.

I think too often we're left discouraged because we try things that aren't valuable, or we have expectations that are inaccurate. And we need to reevaluate those methods. We need to reevaluate the expectations for how it's all supposed to end up working out.

And then the last, well, not the last, but the second to the last topic I'll be talking on is the family. The question was asked, how do we strengthen the relationship that matter most? Really, when we think about it, the most important relationship any individual in the world has is the relationship with God.

But the single most important human relationship that we have in this world are with our families. God created the family unit, husbands and wives, and then children before he created what we could call organized religion, before he created government.

And it's desperately, desperately important. And we see, even from a secular perspective, that so goes the family, so goes the culture. So we need to strengthen the relationship that matter most. We need to understand that this really does desperately matter.

We can't just do it the way our parents do it. We can't just do it the way the world does it. We have to do it the way God does it. And then we're going to wrap up that afternoon with a Q &A. And I love doing Q &As, and I encourage any of your listeners who are listening today, if they have a question on these topics or others, feel free to submit them.

Andrew and I would love to tackle them. I pull Andrew into this because one of his favorite things to say in Apologetics Live is that he can answer any question that's presented to him, as long as you realize that I don't know is a completely legitimate answer.

So we'd love to tackle whatever questions come our way on your show. But then also at the Q &A, I'm looking forward to taking the truths that we learned in the conference and then digging down deeper and looking at some specifics and trying to help some people.

And then by God's grace, I have an opportunity to speak on Sunday. I can't tell you exactly what I'll be speaking on on Sunday. I haven't quite nailed that down just yet, but still look forward to opening God's word with those people in God's house on Sunday.

That's an overview of a little bit more specific understanding of the question, what really matters? And the sub-conference title is Living with Purpose in a Broken World. I pray that everyone who goes, we will all leave with a better understanding of our purpose and what really matters in this broken world.

Now, Aaron, there is something else you're doing that most conferences wouldn't have but you being a counselor. We did schedule this with a little bit of time to end a bit early so that you'd be able to meet with folks and actually help them as you're discussing all these life.

Issues.

Talk about why you wanted to have time set aside for that.

Great.

Thank you for asking. That's another thing that I love to talk about with individuals who are putting on conferences or inviting me to events. As a biblical counselor, I recognize the fact that this is desperately important.

Not because I'm certified or because I'm educated or whatever the case may be. Really, when you look at the scriptures, the one another's, the discipling, the parenting, the teaching, all of this is what biblical counseling really is.

In fact, you won't find the word counseling used in this terminology in the scripture. But when J. Adams started the New Thetic Counseling Movement, he pulled that from a Greek word which is frequently translated admonish in the scriptures.

It's coupled with teaching and with warning. So what I'm doing basically is just biblical discipleship. It's one anothering. So we should be doing anyway with each other. But when you have somebody who has experience in certain areas, whether it be working with addictions or broken family, is at-risk teens, oftentimes it can be a real blessing to sit down with that individual and hear what God's word has to say specifically to those things.

Pastors have a beautiful privilege to open God's word, to equip their people. And though everyone does it to varying degrees, generally speaking, as you're preaching through word, you're covering very wide topics, and you're doing your best to apply it to your congregation as you can.

And then as a shepherd, you're meeting with your individuals afterward, applying that truth to their lives. And I just like to come alongside, have an opportunity to meet with whomever is interested so I can partner with them and open the scriptures and help them to see the answers that are there, because God has given us everything that we need for life, endowing this in his.

Word.

And I like to help them to see that. And sometimes I can bring a different perspective because of the experiences and the different individuals with whom I've worked. Sometimes it's a little bit easier for me to identify what scriptures speak to the need of the moment, simply because I've had the privilege of talking about it so often with so many people in similar situations.

So yeah, I'm really looking forward to that. I tell pastors that I'm really excited to come and I want to spend time with the pastors and get to know them. But at the same time, I really am there to minister to their body as much as I possibly can.

So yeah, you can definitely take me on a whirlwind tour of downtown Leathertown, or we could spend some time really just meeting individually with some people in your church and being a blessing. And both of those are great.

So let me know how best I can help.

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And we do have a question from all the way on the Gold Coast of Queensland, Australia, or Queensland, Australia, and this is specifically a question for Andrew Rappaport. This is Jack, and Jack says, Hello again, Brother Chris.

I have wondered for years since I first heard about Andrew Rappaport when he was on the show On the Box with Ray Comfort. Why is his ministry called Striving for Eternity? Aren't we meant to rest in the finished work of Christ, not strive for eternity?

This is not at all anything negative towards your ministry, Andrew. Anyone who is endorsed by both Ray Comfort and Chris Arnzen has to have a godly ministry. God bless Jack on the Gold Coast of Queensland, Australia.

So, Andrew, that's for you.

Andrew Rappaport. Yeah, that's a good question, because we actually have on the website why we call it Striving for Eternity. And a lot of people think, because they're thinking about it in the area of regeneration, salvation of a works-based salvation, but we're a ministry to Christians.

And so it's based out of actually Colossians chapter 3, the first couple of verses really focused on verses 3 and 4, which says, For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ. When Christ is your life appears, then you will also appear with him in glory.

The idea being that we should be—and the verses 1 and 2 really, it talks about seeking the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. Set your minds on the things above, not the things of earth.

And that's really what it's about. The idea of Striving for Eternity is not for us to try to work our way to heaven. That's impossible. It's as believers to have the mindset that we all had, that he saw death as a greater value than life, that we would be so fixated on being with Christ and having a mindset on eternity, that the things that we struggle with, the things that Aaron counsels people on, just grow, well, as the hymn says, strangely dim, that it would just pale in comparison.

Because we would so want to be with Christ that no matter what life throws at us this side of heaven, it gives us all the greater desire to be with Christ on the other side of heaven. So, that's the idea of it.

It is not working our way to heaven. It is really dealing with the idea of sanctification and just having that mindset of the eternal things rather than the temple things of earth.

Okay, well, thank you so much, Jack, for writing in and keep spreading the word about Iron Trip and Zion Radio in Australia and beyond. Let's see here, we have a question for A .M. Brewster, and that is from Andrew, and Andrew in the Bronx, New York, wants to know, many Christians mourn the loss of Dr. James Dobson, formerly of Focus on the Family, and James Dobson is a much-beloved figure and hero to many.

But over the years, I have noticed that theologically Reformed Christians very rarely endorse him, his ministry, or promote his books. Why is that, and does your ministry as a counselor, A .M. Brewster, differ from that of Dr. Dobson in any significant way?

Yeah, that's a great question. Actually, I think it's interesting to point out, I actually was contacted by Focus on the Family a couple years ago to be a content creator. Actually, I take that back. So Dobson had split from Focus on the Family, not in a negative type of way.

He had started another ministry, and it was the second, the other ministry, whose name I can't remember at the moment.

So it was Dr. Dobson's ministry, then? The second ministry, right.

That was the second ministry, yeah. That was contacting me about being a potential content creator for the ministry. I spoke with one of the VPs, a very, very kind man, and I just had the opportunity to share with him that, though I will be honored, obviously, to create content, that I did have some fundamental disagreements with Dr. Dobson, and maybe I wasn't the best fit.