August 13, 2018 Show with Kevin Hamilton on “Bringing the Gospel & God’s Word to the Deaf”

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On this 13th day of August 2018, I'm delighted to have a very

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Today we are going to be interviewing a deaf Christian, which obviously, since this is a

radio program, requires an interpreter.

This is the first time that we have ever conducted any interview with any kind of an interpreter,

and today we have as our guest Kevin Hamilton, biblical counselor, the first deaf

person to be certified through the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors.

He's a leader of a group of other deaf Christians preparing to become certified as biblical counselors.

He's the North American Scripture Engagement Coordinator for the Deaf

Bible Society, which is an organization with the mission of translating God's Word in every

sign language, where he educates and trains deaf communities and ministry leaders in scripture

engagement through sign language.

He's a former basketball player in the Deaf Olympics with many years of experience coaching both

deaf and hearing athletes in basketball and soccer.

He's also the pastor of Grace Deaf Presbyterian Church in Danville, Kentucky, and

he's an overseer of Christian Life Church of the Deaf in Indianapolis, Indiana, and an overseer

of a deaf fellowship in Richmond, Kentucky, at Eastern Kentucky University.

Deaf people watch his sermons at grace2deaf .sermon .net, through

Grace2Deaf YouTube, and through Facebook, live on his account.

Today we are addressing bringing the gospel and God's Word to the deaf, and

we also have, as I mentioned, as Kevin's interpreter, we have

today Chuck Snyder, who is the pastor of the First Deaf Mennonite Church in

Lancaster, Pennsylvania, and he is a certified interpreter, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome both

Kevin Hamilton and Chuck Snyder to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio for the.

Very first time.

God bless you both, brethren.

Thank you very much.

I'm excited to be here.

And I'm excited.

I've been interviewed on the radio as well.

Did you say you've never been interviewed on the radio?

Yes, that's right.

Yes, and let me remind our listeners, obviously, you are going to hear many more pauses of

silence during Iron Sharpens Iron Radio than you would normally hear.

Sometimes when I tell jokes to my guests, I get awkward pauses of silence because they don't find

the things I said nearly as funny as I did, but this is for a different reason, this is because we are

having an interpretation done via sign language by Pastor Chuck

Snyder to our guest, Kevin Hamilton, so I hope that you will all

be patient with us as we do this, which is not the norm here on this program,

and I'm looking forward to this interview.

Well, first of all, please, Kevin, tell us about your religious upbringing

and the providences God used to bring you to Jesus Christ and to grow you in Christ.

Certainly.

His

sovereignty,

and

what's

interesting

is

that I

was

asked

to start with a

very

good God, who

I'm really

thankful for.

Praise God.

Well, as I introduced you, you pastor a deaf church.

Why do you prefer having.

A deaf church to being part of a hearing church?

That's a good question.

Recall that I grew up in a non -Christian family.

Church turned out.

In a deaf

church, see message in

my language, and I'm able to remember that.

Oftentimes, I've been to hearing churches with an interpreter, and I don't remember anything

that was said from that, and so I don't have any real benefit

of being able to understand it in a hearing church.

Now, there are, Samuel

discipled me, early Christian life, discipled me

in terms of the Bible.

Let me understand who Christ would have a deaf pastor who did

that.

When he left, he

was going to pass the

language, preaching in their

own language as a minority person

and a large, because

I'm able to so explain clearly what the scripture means in a way that's very

comfortable and easy.

So American Sign Language is our language, and it is our native language,

and it has its own syntax,

and it's basically a three -dimensional language,

and so deaf people are

able to understand the messages presented

in their language, and that's really why that's best.

Well, I don't want.

To repeat too much of the information already available for our listeners at the Deaf Bible

Society's website, but our listeners will most likely be eager to know

approximately how many.

Used sign language every day.

There are

about 70 million deaf people.

There are 400

who are reading

sign language, have full

communication, but many of them are not learning that sign language until much

later in their life and have lost all of that opportunity to really learn their language, as well

as to receive an

education, and so by having the Bible in their

sign language...

Well, how many different kinds of signed languages are there?

There are

none.

My mother

reads

very well and can translate from English into American Sign Language, so she reads

well.

There are a lot of deaf

adults.

I got a lot of

people who are entering into education with no language.

They go into the schools and are now trying to learn both sign language,

which is very difficult, so it takes a long time for

them to be able to learn, and I can read the Bible and do fine with it, but

still, I struggle with it because it's my second language.

When the Bible is presented in

American

Sign Language, it's much more from a signed language,

and that's what that Bible I could

get.

I've really been excited.

Forgive me if you said this already, but why are there so many signed languages?

That's a good question.

I have a question for you.

Is English the only spoken language or written language in the world?

Of course not.

Then why do we have so many different spoken and written

languages?

It's the same way.

I guess you actually answered your own question.

And you had said that there are signed languages

that have no Bible translations at all.

Excuse me again if you've already said this, but how many of these signed languages are in that category where there is no

Bible translation?

There

are

very

few that

actually

have it.

So

those

are the people...

Now, I'm sure a lot of my hearing listeners might be wondering, why can't

deaf people just read the Bible in whatever language they happen to be

surrounded by, depending upon where they live?

Well, my

English

would be

so different from the Japanese.

Any English,

they speak Spanish

perfectly, but they struggle with English, because they have a native, or

it's easier to understand things in their heart, language.

Maybe I can give you a thought for that?

Oh, of course.

Now, I grew up deaf.

I would go into a restaurant, and I had no idea that there was music playing on

the radio,

talking about in a restaurant.

I would walk in, I would read the menu, and that's basically, when

you were in a

restaurant with American Sign Language, and you walked in, and you had to try to understand what

was going on in that restaurant just by watching signs.

You find it overwhelming, not sure.

And in the same way, English can be

overwhelming

for them in the same way that

an English translation works.

For example, in

Revelation, it

says that,

sing praises unto God together.

And I believe that deaf people will be one of those, and

one of those languages.

Deaf people have

their own language, and what happens is that all through

non -deaf world, we're seeing English

take their language of American Sign Language, and it's far

less understanding.

That was Revelation 7, verse 6.

As I looked inside every tribe and

nation, I believe that that will include...

Amen.

I had never even thought of it before.

Every time I heard or read that verse, I was always thinking of foreign languages,

all the foreign languages of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, but I believe you're absolutely

correct, that if it's every tongue, that must.

Include the languages of the deaf.

Right.

And that's the

people in their

Get excited about the gospel when they hear it, and they're proof of that,

and how God

didn't understand anything that was here in church.

Well, if you could, give us a summary of.

How you think things are going in the deaf church here in America, both the

good and the bad aspects.

There

are many deaf people

in their area, and

they...where they have no

deaf

church, but today,

there's technology that allows people to see my preaching, and allows to

get the gospel out to other people who are

missing out on having

their own church.

So the deaf church in America is...well, it's not nearly

as advanced as here in church.

I'd say we're 20, 30 years behind in deaf church.

You won't find deaf churches, for example, with 500 people in them.

Still a lot of good things going on, but it could be better.

What motivated you to become a certified biblical counselor?

I almost said bubblical.

What motivated you to become a certified biblical counselor?

Yes,

because

I

had...people

were telling me this ACB conference that I

went to, and I was so amazed with how that worked.

I saw that this was...would fit a great need in the deaf

community.

I was

able

to use the Bible in my counseling, particularly marriage counseling.

There's so many broken marriages, so many mental...in the

deaf community, drug addiction,

you name it.

It's going on in the community.

And where are deaf people going to get help?

They're not going

to get help.

Understands their culture, understands...is able to read

their emotions.

An interpreter is not going...most likely not going to be able to do that.

Who shares my language and my culture.

Biblical counseling to me was just another opportunity for outreach into the deaf

community to see more Christians.

Now, as I introduced you in the beginning of the program, you are the

first deaf person to be certified through the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors.

I'm assuming that must have created some kind of a challenge to those who are instructing you,

since you were the very first of.

Your

kind.

Can

you tell

us

something

about

that?

And by

the way, for

listeners

who may

have.

Recognized that a woman who was enormously helpful to our guest,

Kevin Hamilton, Nancy Snyder, who was a

certified biblical counselor before our guest, well, that happens to be the wife

of our interpreter today, Chuck Snyder.

And by the way, Chuck, we're looking forward to having Nancy back for a second time, God willing, on our

program this Thursday.

So, I really thoroughly enjoyed interviewing her, just to let you know.

Yes.

Chuck and Nancy are just a wonderful couple.

They have been in the deaf community.

There isn't a lot of understanding of deaf people.

Now, there is some condescension that some people might have,

but it's really different

when you have...

And so, since you're having become a certified.

Counselor through the Association of Certified Biblical Counselors, being the first one, how

many have followed your footsteps?

When

you

look

at us...

Well, we

have

to go

to

our

first

commercial

break right

now,.

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But we are now back with our interview today with Kevin Hamilton.

He is a biblical counselor, the first deaf person to be certified through the Association of

Certified Biblical Counselors.

He's a leader of a group of other deaf Christians preparing to become certified as biblical counselors.

He's the North American Scripture Engagement Coordinator for the Deaf Bible Society, and he's also

pastor of Grace Deaf Presbyterian Church in Danville, Kentucky.

Our other guest today is his interpreter whose voice you are hearing throughout the program.

That's Chuck Snyder, who is pastor of the First Deaf Mennonite Church in Lancaster,

Pennsylvania, and he is a certified deaf interpreter, although he is a

hearing individual, which would be, I'm assuming, impossible to do this radio program with him if

you were not.

Before we go on to more questions for Kevin Hamilton,

Brother Chuck, it's fairly obvious why Kevin would want to pursue

further knowledge in the signing world and to become a

better help and guide to those who share his condition when it

comes to the most pressing issues, the most vital issues that face us, namely our eternal

lives, which depend upon our understanding of the gospel of Jesus Christ and our

embracing of it.

But you are a hearing person, and so is your wife, Nancy, who, as I said before, I have

interviewed, and this Thursday, God willing, is our second interview, as she has written books

specifically for bringing the gospel to children and teenagers.

But why is it that you had a burden.

On your heart to even enter into this area of learning sign language yourself?

Chuck, this was for you.

I'm not sure.

Yes.

Right.

And I'm being Kevin right now.

Chuck's role at this point really is not going to allow him to answer any questions that you

ask him, because so if you'd like to

ask those questions, maybe you should get him on the radio.

I would encourage you to

do Deaf World and

Fluidly between those two cultures, so that'd be a great interview for you to have, but right now he can't answer

your question.

That's okay.

Back to you.

Oh,.

That's quite all right.

Well, let's hear more about your involvement with the Deaf Olympics.

I'm fascinated by this.

Kevin?

Sure.

Yeah, I have some really fond,

loved about being in the Deaf Olympics was being able to, as I look back, the one thing I regret was I wasn't a

Christian at the time and couldn't take the gospel to these other countries.

But it was interesting to get together with Deaf people from all over the world, signing different languages,

but we were able to have some communication because of gesturing.

Because ours is a visual language, we're better at that kind of gesturing usually

than hearing people are.

I remember oftentimes talking with people.

I remember having this conversation with some Deaf Iranians, funny.

We've had basketball, of course, and we did win.

The U .S. team did win, and we

traveled to, and some others.

It was a fantastic to be involved in the Deaf Olympics

because we had our own debts.

Very comfortable not having to deal with what we...

Great.

Well, we have some listeners waiting to have their questions asked and answered by you.

We have B .B. in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, and B .B. wants

to know, are many cults and false religions surpassing

the Christian church at large in their outreach to the Deaf community and to providing

signers for the Deaf congregations?

Sadly, that is true.

A lot of the cults are providing time

and ask the Christians who are providing materials if

any of their videos are even captioned, and they aren't.

I challenge them to do so.

Church is not captioned, let alone in America,

so yeah.

We have RJ in White Plains,.

New York, and he asks, how would

one go about hiring a reliable signer for a conference or.

Special event?

That's the end of his question.

There

are interpreters all the time, and there are some good interpreters out there, and

I've seen some wonderful, but it would be good to

find out from them what their understanding of the Bible

is, and if they don't have much understanding of the Bible, don't have that interpreter.

If they do, you want to look at their video

to make

sure that

you don't get any of it.

So it's also best to check with Deaf people who might be coming to your conference, whether there are people that they

know, they are going to be the trusted assets for you.

They know who they can trust as interpreters.

There are a lot of people who call themselves up here to do something like this, and

just are basically beginning signers.

I've been to a conference like that and basically spent the whole time sleeping because I couldn't understand it.

Back to you.

Well, that happens even when we can hear people and understand them.

Just out of curiosity, my own question to follow up with that, and I know that this may be

impossible to answer, but is there an average cost or at least

a framework to work with when.

It comes to hiring a signer for a special event?

Statewide Deaf organizations,

most interpreters out there are making $40 $50 an hour, but I only know Kentucky.

Each state is going to be different.

In the

state,

what the board, from the government, so there's

information out there.

You just need to ask around.

We have CJ in Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York,

and CJ says, I saw a documentary that was very surprising to me.

It talked about a category of deaf people that I never knew

existed that are very bigoted against hearing people.

In other words, if there are deaf parents of a deaf child, they can become extremely angry at the

child if they want to marry a hearing person.

The list goes on with many different scenarios as to why these deaf people demonstrate

a strong dislike, if not even hatred, towards hearing people.

Have you ever experienced this group of people and how have you interacted with them when

it comes to rebuking them in the.

Of Jesus Christ and urging them to repent?

I'd probably be a part of that group.

You know, I love people of all different backgrounds.

There are a lot of people who are angry and a lot of them are angry because they have been overlooked.

They've been neglected.

They have been squashed.

They got their language taken from them.

They have not been able to see the movies that

come out.

This is a small example, but every

Tuesday at the theater near us, but they can't go any other time.

So you can only go to a movie at that time.

That's just a small example, but just multiply that by so many.

Their everyday life is not having access to things where they go,

where they need an interpreter and the people like the doctor will say they can afford an interpreter.

And so they are always being oppressed in that way.

And the opportunities

that person who could speak or to apply for a job, he'd probably get it.

So there's so much that is happening in our community.

And it's a community that you have never seen.

And there are a lot of angry people in it.

And that's part of what biblical counseling is doing is encouraging people to

look to Christ to change your attitude towards people.

Now, those people who are angry Bible, they don't have Christ.

So of course, they're, and so we

just encourage them, try to teach them.

And obviously we can't change them.

Only God can.

Wow, that is, it is pretty amazing that this exists.

And I have not personally encountered it myself.

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Let's see, we have a listener in Bangor, Maine, John, who

asks Kevin Hamilton, when Deaf Christians read, are they

exclusively reading things in the language prominent where they live,

or is there actually a written sign language that uses the symbols of the

hand symbols used in sign language for the Deaf, and if that exists, is that just

a minority of Christians that use that type of written language, or is it

equal or greater than the normal.

Written language of one's

native

tongue?

There

might be

people working on it,

but that really is not the same.

English in America,

which is a

Deaf

person

who is of sign language, and a second language, which is written

English.

A lot of people have that as their second language, and there's various levels of

fluency in that.

In other countries,

they may not be reading and writing.

The Bible will get to

those, and what that Bible is

trying to do is getting God's

Word into their sign, and

see that in their

sign.

ASL,

and there are

apps that have parts.

What we're trying to do is help those who are developing a

translation in their country.

We want to help them do whatever they need to make

two Deaf people.

You asked a question.

There might be a better way to say that.

Let's see here.

We have Ron in Suffolk County, Long Island, New York, and Ron says, I have heard

among the blind that very often their other senses are

dramatically heightened, such as their sense of hearing, their sense of smell, and other

senses where they may be more keenly aware of things around them than persons

with sight, which could not normally be seen by even a seeing

individual.

Is this the same with, on the average, with Deaf people?

Do they have their vision heightened and other senses, such as smell and other things,

strengthened as a result of their Deafness?

Of course, I don't mean every person, but is this a common thing amongst your.

Community?

Yes, I see more in general than hearing people.

Deaf people were much,

wow, and that dependence upon sight.

When hearing people are driving, we

can't hear, we're

looking, we see the light flashing in

our sight and better seeing

things.

We have something similar.

When a light flickering, I

see it so much more.

And we have, let's see,.

Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania, who wants to know, could your

average Deaf person who does not know sign language be able to

successfully lip -read what you are saying when you are preaching?

Well, there's a lesson for our theonomist friends as to why you might want to shave your beards and

mustaches.

That's just a little joke there.

If it makes our lip -readers more difficult, if it gives them a harder time to understand

people lip -reading if they have a mustache or beard, that might be a good idea to shave the beard and mustache.

But we have, let's see here,

we have Christian in Suffolk County, Long Island, New

York, and Christian asks, why is it that some Deaf

people speak even though they cannot hear what they are saying and others exclusively use.

Signing when they are speaking?

People have been trained, their whole

type of

education wants for people, like

hearing people.

But there's only a very small percentage of people who are successful in that method,

educated in sign language.

And

people told me to stop it because it was really irritating and grating to them.

So that, what I'm saying

is that there are

also a

lot of people who

it's very different and they would feel, yeah, so.

We have Susan Margaret in Dauphin County,.

Pennsylvania, who asks, during a Deaf worship services,

is there singing using the sign language?

Is there ever musical accompaniment, even though the majority of people there, and perhaps

even all the people there, cannot hear it.

What is an average worship service like, other than the.

Teaching?

Good question.

And that varies.

I remember going to a large, and

they had a speaker, I

didn't really like that.

I think a hearing was able to make that

in too many Deaf churches.

Some Deaf churches, you

have

people

who

are very, they do it in a lot of,

in everything that

they're signing.

So you see a lot of vibration.

We certainly don't have a piano or.

Perhaps the.

Listener primarily meant the question about a piano or something in the event that they were hearing people

in the congregation as well, such as even our translator here today.

Let's see here.

We have Bobby in

Hartsdale, New York, who has a question.

And Bobby says, are there heroes of the Christian faith that we should be aware

of who were Deaf?

And I was wondering, do you know anything about the theology embraced by Helen Keller,

if any at all?

Yeah.

Let's see here.

We have an anonymous listener who asks,

what is the most highly recommended place.

To be trained in sign language for our hearing

person?

Well, we

have to

go to

our

final

break.

Right now.

This is going to be a shorter break than the last one.

So if you have a question for our guest, Kevin Hamilton, about reaching the Deaf community with the

gospel and the word of God, please do so now.

Please send it in now because we're rapidly running out of time.

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Welcome back.

This is Chris Arnzen, and this is our final 20 minutes of our interview today with

Kevin Hamilton.

We are discussing reaching the deaf community with the gospel of Jesus Christ.

And if you'd like to ask us a question, our email address is chrisarnzen at gmail .com.

C -H -R -I -S -A -R -N -Z -E -N at gmail .com.

Please give us at least your first name, your city and state, and your country of residence if you live

outside of the USA.

We have Robert in Westchester County, New York, who wants to know what

are the primary words of advice that you have to the hearing community of

Christians in the church at large on how they can better have outreach to

the deaf community?

People

that you know, if there is no

deaf church in your area, no deaf leaders in the area, contact me.

Contact somebody, and we'll try to find if there's somebody near you.

Getting

in touch with

the deaf, we

have a hundred videos there

that you can watch.

So getting people in touch is

important in

the direction of our video logs

and share the gospel

with them.

Yes, and of course, being reformed yourself theologically,

assuming that you would agree that we can't just refer people to any deaf ministry, we have

to make sure that they are actually preaching and teaching the true gospel.

Not to be overly sectarian, I'm not saying that you always have to refer people to a Calvinist or

Reformed ministry, but don't we need to be very careful in that regard that we just don't

give an open door to the cults and dangerous churches that you mentioned earlier

in the program that are, even in many areas, exceeding the evangelical church at large

in the area of outreach to the deaf?

Right, yes, absolutely.

You do need to check that

out.

We have five, you can get in touch.

With one of those.

Oh, so that's interesting.

I learned something new there.

I did not know that your church was actually a part of a deaf

denomination.

I knew it was a deaf congregation, but I didn't know, for some reason.

I assumed it was a PCA church, but this is exactly, this is specifically a deaf

Reformed denomination that you are a part of.

Yes, exactly.

Together, and we're just a little over a year old

at this point, protect each

other to be able to have,

we, like, people move to a new, a deaf church in

that area

for the gospel.

We have a question from Linda in Hilltop Lakes, Texas,.

Who asks, is there a Bible study program for the deaf like Bible Study Fellowship?

Thanks for this very informative program.

I'm smitten that I have never thought of this area of ministry.

What programs are out there that the hearing can be greater,

be of greater help for the evangelization of deaf people?

And let's start with the first question.

She says, is there a Bible study program for the deaf like Bible Study Fellowship?

Not yet, but that's

certainly

something that

can use the deaf impact,

and there

are,

and we

give devotionals on

that, but it's just beginning at this point.

But yes, there are opportunities for deaf people to have, so it's

taking off, but it's just, we're still in the beginning stages.

Back to you.

Well, thank you, Linda.

Keep listening to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio in Hilltop Lakes, Texas, and beyond.

Let me just have you clarify something.

You just said that you, this past Sunday, looked at the

deaf translation of the Bible, and I'm assuming what you meant by that is that you were watching a video of a signer.

Am I correct on that?

Yes, that's correct.

Okay, great.

Just wanted to make sure.

Well, what I want you to do now, before time runs out, before I go to any other

listener, is I would like you to have five minutes of uninterrupted time where you could unburden

your heart and you could summarize for us what you most want etched in the hearts and

minds of our listeners today about bringing the gospel and the word of God to the.

Deaf.

Thank

you.

We

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Are there any particular fields and careers and professions where

deaf people might excel more than in other areas where

employers and even churches can be actively seeking out these people to hire

them to make use of their gifts?

That's an interesting question.

I mean, there are deaf people who,

other than deaf

people, never get an opportunity to have, because

there

are people now working for the deaf.

They're doing a great job,

an opportunity for work that they couldn't have had otherwise.

But deaf people who have a lot of skills in what they do don't often have access to it.

And there's very little training

for deaf and training in theology.

There's a deaf theological center

working on training for deaf people, but still a very small group of

people who have access to that.

We have an anonymous listener who asks, don't you think that sometimes

churches may wrongly think that you are putting the cart before the horse

if you were to hire a person to sign the sermons that are being

preached, even though there are no deaf members or visitors in the congregation?

That's going to take a second for me to interpret that.

Sure.

Well, basically, the question was, wouldn't we already be able to invite

deaf people there, knowing that there was already in place a deaf signer?

Okay.

So, again, I don't...

I'm sorry.

What was that?

The two things that you set up there sounded the same to me, whether you

invited the church or not.

Would you mind just starting the question again?

Yeah, sure.

Basically, our listener is asking that some churches think

wrongly that you are putting the cart before the horse if you hire a

deaf signer to sign the sermons that are being preached, even though there are

no deaf people in the congregation.

But the listener is also saying this would be valuable to invite

deaf people to the church, knowing that you already had that in place.

What's going to draw deaf people?

If you have deaf people coming to church, one of the great things to do would be to

encourage them to go to...

Oh, we have one more comment from our listener, Linda in Hilltop Lake, Texas.

This is a comment, not a question.

She says, I know a lady who was born to two deaf parents.

Thus, she learned sign language along with English in school.

Today, she signs for deaf prisoners as they appeal their cases and

more before a judge here in Huntsville, Texas.

I'm sure this is a great field for an American sign language interpreter.

That was just a comment.

And do you have any comments to say in follow -up about what you just said?

Um, yeah, I do have a short follow -up

on that.

My wife is also

three children, which is a new thing for

that.

Again, English.

One of them has become an interpreter, and maybe I'll be working with him in the future.

The other one, my second son, is off to college.

I mean, my second one's working.

My third one is off to college tomorrow.

And my fourth son is still home, and he's in an old -school soccer group.

And I'm coaching that team, even though it's a hearing team.

I, uh, they have a deaf coach.

We love it, but children of

deaf adults.

Well, we are now out of time, and I want to make sure that our listeners have the websites that are relevant to you

and your ministry.

First of all, we have the Deaf Bible Society website, is deafbiblesociety .com.

Deafbiblesociety .com.

We also have gracetodeaf .com.

Gracetodeaf .com.

And then we have, uh...

That's my church, yeah.

Yes.

And for the sermons, you could go to gracetodeaf .sermon .net.

And then we also have the website for the First Deaf Mennonite Church of Lancaster,.

Pennsylvania.

Kevin is saying that it's better to find those on YouTube.

Okay.

And the website for First Deaf Mennonite Church in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, where Chuck

Snyder, our interpreter, is pastor, you could go to firstdeafmc

.wordpress .com.

That's firstdeafmc, for Mennonite Church, .wordpress .com.

I want to thank you, Andy Hamilton, for being our guest.

I'm sorry, Kevin Hamilton, for being our guest today.

And I want to thank also our interpreter, Chuck Snyder, without whom we could not

conduct this interview.

I want to thank everybody who listened today, especially those who took the time to write in questions.

And I hope that you all always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater

Savior than you are a sinner.

Amen.