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Well, greetings and welcome to The Dividing Line. We're gonna dive right into our topic today because at least for the first 45 minutes or so We don't have to talk about Marxists or Crusaders or anything else because we have as our special guest

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Dr. Jason Lyle, I was going to I almost I almost wrote up something along the lines of smarter than a speeding

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AI mainframe Rising earlier than your 16 year old teenage son

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People don't get that part if they don't realize you're an astronomer So you just live in the dark, but anyways, I didn't get a chance to finish writing all that up.

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So anyways a very patient man, too, I mean I drove up to Colorado Springs a few weeks ago and and we got together for Mexican food and The poor guy had to sit there while I once again told to someone who had never heard it before the whole story of How I got my wife in the

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Battle of Midway and he listened very patiently to the whole thing and and I appreciate that and I I'm almost afraid to ask did do you know the the four carriers we sunk at Midway Jason?

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No I'm not even gonna guess You can't get the cog of this reunion to hear you but anyways

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Yes a story. I've told many many many times before but and he knows it all as well but a whole reason is that we're gonna have

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Jason on today is An article that you can find at biblical science

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Institute comm It's still toward the top of the list though above it are

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Articles on dealing Dealing with flat earthers and their

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Their arguments in Scripture, which again, I I've told people whenever I run into a flat earther.

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I just go Go read Jason Lyle and I walk away because I I can't know

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I can't do it I just there's there are certain things you just you just walk away from and God has gifted you brother with With great patience,

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I guess in dealing that subject. But anyways Jason was telling me he seemed rather excited as excited as astronomers can get about things in life about the now this the article on your website is more of a

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Popular level version of it. It is. Yeah, okay So it's called

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New James Webb Space Telescope Observations challenged the Big Bang. It was put up there on August 2nd

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And so I would encourage everybody to go to Biblical Science Institute all one very long almost

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Germanically long word Because Germans love just cramming words together until they're like three paragraphs long

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But biblical science is to calm New James Webb Space Telescope observations challenge a

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Big Bang and so Jason explained this to me in person in the dark

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So so we were in the dark next to a graveyard now when you put all that together, it sounds really really weird but it's really really not we were just as far away from city lights as we could get and so I There there's a certain part of it that once we get to it

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I'm gonna have to go okay, that's where I get lost But I'll let you know when we get there Give us it.

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Give us a summary and and where we should start and why we Obviously you think this is very very important and we've got a lot of homeschoolers, by the way

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I know that one of our our board member guys was saying that the program today is going to be on the homeschool menu and So we've got folks listening live and they're all excited about having

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Jason Lyle on the program so I hope that pressure doesn't you know, make you cave or anything like that, but What what about this do we need to know and and how do we get started in understanding where you're coming from Okay, well pressure back up and give a little background information this all pertains to the the

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James Webb Space Telescope And this was launched back in 2022 Kind of as the successor to Hubble right and its design is different from Hubble It's bigger and it's able to see

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Wavelengths that Hubble can't see Hubble Hubble has kind of the same range as us It can it sees visible wavelengths

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It can go a little into the ultraviolet little into the infrared a little beyond human vision But the James Webb Space Telescope is designed to see deep infrared mid to well

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They would call it near to mid -infrared and those are wavelengths that are too broad to be seen by human eyes

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And the reason it's designed that way is galaxies that are very far away in space For whatever reason their light is red shifted

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That is it's been the wavelengths have been stretched and at a certain point Even if they were bright enough human eyes couldn't see them anymore.

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It's beyond our range to detect The James Webb Space Telescope can detect those and therefore it can see galaxies that are much farther away

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Than the Hubble Space Telescope or really anything we have that's that's ground -based and it's designed to do that And it's it's up in space.

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It's at a distance about a million miles away in space and Again launched and well, I was actually launched this it was launched

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Christmas 2021 and in January of 2022 I thought I'd better make some predictions about what this thing is gonna see

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Because the Big Bang folks the folks who believe in that the universe just kind of exploded to existence billions of years ago

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They have their expectations as to what distant galaxies should look like based on that secular worldview.

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I'm a biblical creationist I have an advantage I've got God telling me how he created the universe and that gives me better insight into what distant galaxies should look like And so back in January of 2022

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I made three predictions as to what the James Webb Space Telescope should detect

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And basically I predicted that it'll detect galaxies that are much farther away than the secularists were predicting

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They predicted that galaxies should end at a distance corresponding to a redshift of 14 That means the lights been stretched out like 14 times

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They should be any galaxies after that because in their view you're looking back in time And and there's a time when there weren't any galaxies

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See, I would reject that view and I would say no We're seeing the universe as it is and I don't see any reason why

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God stopped creating galaxies at a certain distance So I think they're going to keep going the secularists predicted that these galaxies would be baby galaxies low mass

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Low luminosity. I predicted they'd be similar to nearby galaxies fully designed fully mature galaxies

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Not clumpy baby galaxies, and I predicted that these galaxies would have heavy elements in them things like oxygen and carbon and in July of 2022

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James Webb Space Telescope poured back its first data and we saw that the biblical creation predictions were right

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Well, they found galaxies way beyond a redshift of 14 some going out to apparently a redshift of 20 Which is which puts it within a few hundred million years of the

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Big Bang in the secular view They shouldn't be there. They shouldn't be there and the galaxies that they see were not baby galaxies

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But fully formed designed galaxies just like I would expect as a biblical creationist and they detected heavy elements in these galaxies

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So I was very pleased with that So that all led up to then this new Discovery, which

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I wasn't really expecting either Nobody was really expecting this and that is the fact that this there's there's a magnification effect if the universe is

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Expanding the way the secularists believed and the way I had believed until very recently

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It creates kind of a magnification effect where galaxies should start to look bigger at a certain distance

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Because you're looking back to a time when the universe was smaller and therefore the galaxies take up a larger proportion of the of that space

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And so when I first examined these these data from the James Webb Space Telescope I did not see this effect where distant galaxies should look bigger and bigger and bigger

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They continue to look smaller as our intuition would expect and so that made me think to Maybe this idea that the fabric of space is expanding is wrong

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Okay, so that's when I went through the math and and looked at these things so okay, so that's that's where that's where I That's that's where I fall off the wagon

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Because when when you said They they get to a certain point and then they're gonna start to look bigger

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But but why because you said that that It had something to do with the

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Universe being smaller or something I that that's where I'm like if it's farther and farther away.

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You said you know Intuitionally, we'd figure it gets smaller and smaller and smaller So why why wouldn't it get smaller and smaller and so I can that can you explain that or am

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I just My my IQ is not there I'll try that it's it's counterintuitive because the geometrical effect is the farther away something is the smaller it looks what we would call

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Its angular diameter. That's how big something appears in in the sky the Sun and the moon have the approximately the same angular diameter

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No, it's in reality. The Sun's 400 times larger than the moon, but it's also 400 times farther away

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So their angular size is the same Hmm and if you were if you were to push the moon farther away if you push it twice as far away

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It looks half as big now that works even for galaxies up to a certain point and it would work Forever if the universe if the fabric of space is not expanding

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But if space is expanding like a balloon Then there's another effect that kicks in that would cause things to look bigger and and maybe the analogy

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I keep trying to think of a way to explain this dilemma. I don't know if this will work But let's try this imagine you have a circle and imagine you draw a galaxy

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At six different points on the circle one, two, three, four, five six Okay, so I've got these galaxies and there's space between them, right?

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So the galaxies each one of them takes up a small We can imagine I'm in the middle of the circle looking at those galaxies.

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Each one would take up a certain amount of Space in the sky that the number of degrees the total number of degrees in a circles 360

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Each galaxy would take up a few degrees But if you shrink the circle if if space itself were smaller in the past Then pretty soon it would get to a point where the galaxies would all be touching wouldn't they right?

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It would take up a hundred percent of the 360 degrees And so you see everywhere from from my perspective in the middle everywhere

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Look, I would see a galaxy because they would all be touching they would look very big So maybe that's the way to explain it

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If if if the universe was smaller in the past then galaxies would be taking up a proportionally larger amount of space

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Assuming they remain the same size to where eventually they would take up all the space and so they would look very big so this this effect only kicks in if Space itself is expanding and only if you look far enough and when you go through the math

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It turns out that at a redshift of about 1 .6 where the lights been stretched out 1 .6

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times that corresponds to a distance at that distance the decreasing size due to perspective

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Will be more than compensated by the magnification effect and so galaxies should start to look larger and larger at a redshift of 1 .6

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and continue to look larger forever as You go out farther into space Because the universe was smaller and galaxies are taking up a larger proportion of that space.

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So does that okay? Make sense. So I'm gonna I'm gonna ask rich. Would you like to summarize that for me?

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So you're saying Okay Okay, so here's where here's where we're just gonna have to take it on the authority of the eminent

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Astrophysicist and all -around good guy Jason Lyle because I'm hearing what

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I'm hearings what I've got it What so you're saying? space is really big

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I Got it, and it's and it's the final frontier Okay Yeah, you know,

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I I'm not sure what it's like to be Jason and have to live with all of us cretins around him

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All the time, but that's why I think that's why he's a Trekkie because it doesn't matter which series you're watching

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You've got Spock. You've got data. He's got people he can talk to you know, they're there

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They're there that they're the small minority, but he's he's got people he can talk to so okay, so I don't understand why but the

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Standard cosmological assumption that is being used in Astrophysics and astronomy and so on so forth has to do with an expanding space and therefore what web should see is these

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Galaxies that are farther and farther away should not be getting smaller and smaller They should be

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To us appearing larger the farther away they are Exactly.

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Exactly. And that's something that I learned in grad school and I learned how to calculate it and like, you know and this is something that Basically all secular astronomers just about all of them would agree upon and until recently

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I would agreed with that, too I just said yes space is expanding like a balloon and the galaxies just go along for the ride now the secularists would say

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They would extrapolate that back based on the assumptions of uniformitarianism and naturalism

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They would say no supernatural creation and all things have been like they are now So you run that balloon backwards it eventually goes back to a point and and based on its current speed of expansion

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It would take billions of years to go back to a point. That's where they get the idea of the Big Bang this idea the idea of expanding universe was discovered in the 1920s by four different physicists and it's and and the

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Math that describes this expansion is named after those four physicists It's the

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Friedman Lemaître Robertson Walker metric metric describes kind of what defines distance in space and so they independently discovered this in the 1920s and then

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Edwin Hubble in 1929 he was an astronomer who was measuring the redshifts of galaxies Which he interpreted as speed there if the redshift that they're moving away from us the more redshifted the faster

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They're moving away and he found that the farther away a galaxy was he measured their distance, too

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And he found that the farther away a galaxy was the more redshifted it is and we now call this the

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Hubble law That the redshift is proportional to distance and these four physical one of the physicists

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Lemaître recognized well that would make sense if the universe is expanding like a balloon because if you take if you draw a bunch of points

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On a balloon two points that are really close to each other as you blow up the balloon They move slowly apart two points that are farther away on the balloon as you blow up the balloon they move quickly apart and so this expanding balloon would explain the

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Hubble law and a lot of physicists jumped on board and so since 1929 really that has been the standard explanation for the

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Hubble law Is that the reason that galaxies are more redshifted the farther away?

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They are is because the fabric of space is expanding like a balloon and that just kind of carries the galaxies along For the ride, so they're all you think of the galaxies as stationary dots on a balloon that's expanding

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But that would create this magnification effect where galaxies beyond a redshift of 1 .6

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should start to look progressively larger with distance and I you know, I know how to calculate that it's this is in the standard literature and When looking at the

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James Webb Space Telescope data, I didn't see that and so be late last year

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November so last year I did the I did the calculations and said how big should these galaxies look

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Quantitatively because one thing to look and say well I don't seem to be getting bigger, but I wanted to see if the numbers bore that out and then

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I compared different literature where they had measured the angular diameters of these galaxies to see if it best fits an

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Expanding universe or one where the galaxies are just moving away from each other, but the fabric of space is not expanding

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Okay, and those create two different effects Okay, so I'm not sure what you if you can do anything with this or not rich, but there is a graphic in the article

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That illustrates at least where we've gotten so far With some galaxies here.

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I'm not sure if you can yeah, there we go. And so this is the graphic you have Jason in the article showing the

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Galaxies getting smaller and smaller and smaller and then that's on the top and on the bottoms large small large type of a situation depending on on our on our

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Where we are so yes, yeah Okay The top the top would be if if space is not expanding galaxies would continue to look smaller and smaller with distance just as you

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Expect and then on the bottom would be if space is expanding galaxies will look smaller and smaller out to 1 .6

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And then they'll start to look bigger again Okay. All right. So there's that so you're looking at the at the data and So there you have two graphs here the one

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Doesn't have the stuff on it The other does so I guess we can start with the one that I'm not sure why did that?

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So this first graph that you have Why is it

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Why is it doing that to me display it here if it would be helpful Okay. All right

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Rich says that's probably better on our end if you did it there Yeah, okay. There we go.

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That looks better than what I've got here anyways so that Tell tell us what we're looking at here okay, so the red line is the

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Expected angular diameter of an average sized galaxy as a function of redshift

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So that the bottom the the chart at the bottom there. It's one through ten. It actually goes farther than that It's a logarithmic plot.

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So the lines get closer together But that's how big a galaxy should look at different distances and you can see it reaches its smallest

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Size at about one point say it's the chart starts at one And you can see it's getting a little bit smaller and then at one point six

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It reaches the smallest value and then the galaxies get bigger and bigger and bigger after that now the yellow line is

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What I predicted if space is not expanding at all then galaxies should just continue to look smaller and smaller as a function of redshift and you have to compute what their

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Distances compared to that redshift and then calculate the angular diameter So you can see what the yellow line galaxies continue to look smaller and smaller just as you'd expect

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Intuitively with an increase in distance. Okay, and then I also okay. No, no, no, wait. Okay The green line

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I like Because I'm getting old so I want I want to hear about the tired light model

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Yeah, the tired light model was invented by Fritz Zwicky back in 1930 something and Basically, his idea was it's a different explanation for the redshifts before then people thought redshift

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The redshifts are caused by galaxies either moving through space a Doppler effect the Doppler shift or Space expanding and that stretches out the light as we keep thought well

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Maybe light just loses energy with with time And so the galaxies that are the farthest away their lights been traveling the longest and so the light just kind of gets tired it loses energy over time and Now the problem with that it was there was never really any good explanation as for what would cause that So, well until you get over 60 and then it's just sort of natural

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Light model that's But light is not subject to the curse in the same way that we are

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Light shouldn't use energy and it for in effect the the principle of the conservation of energy should require light to maintain its energy whatever energy it starts with it has to keep that or Transfer it to something else and Zwicky thought maybe though it got transferred gravitationally to these galaxies

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But there's it never really had a good physical bearing and it predicted a kind of blurring effect

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With distance which we do not see. Okay, the Galaxies and James Webb Space Telescope data are perfectly crystal clear

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So I don't think the tired light models, right? But I wanted to include it for the sake of comparison because it also predicts that galaxies should continue to look smaller

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Because in their view this universe is not expanding either nor are galaxies moving in their view in the tired light model

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So I just wanted to include that for the sake of Completion. Okay, before we before we look at the next one that has the data plugged into the graph

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What is the? Because in your article you explain this

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The the big Big Bang cosmology is Wedded to Certain assumptions that are reflected in in this graph.

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So explain explain how that's relevant So the Big Bang assumes not only that the fabric of space is expanding which until recently

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I thought was at least plausible But it also assumes naturalism and uniformitarianism

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Naturalism is the belief that nature's all there is and so it excludes any kind of supernatural Miracle and you

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I'm sure you've run into naturalist where no matter, you know, no matter what kind of miracle The miracles of Christ they would say well, there's a natural explanation for that They'll give you some kind of explanation for it and you can always do that You can always explain away the supernatural by insisting on a presupposition that everything that happens must be natural now

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I would reject that presupposition because it's unbiblical and then the other presupposition is that Past rates and conditions are like present rates and conditions

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That all things have continued as they were from the beginning of creation something that the Apostle Peter predicted that people would believe in So and that's basically that the expansion rate is always been like it is today

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And so neither of those are necessarily true But all of the whenever you hear somebody claim that this evidence proves an old universe or an older They've always invoked those two assumptions always and those are anti biblical assumptions

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So they've assumed the Bible's wrong at the outset in order to argue against the biblical timeline

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Which really is is kind of circular so naturalism Uniformitarianism, those are two assumptions that have gone into that okay, so You said you got the the data and you put it in the graph and Once you did that, did you sleep well that night?

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Did you not sleep that night? What happened I was very excited when

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I when I plugged the data in so again, here's here's the here are the graphs if the Big Bang is true the average the average angular diameter of a galaxy should match the red line if Space is not expanding

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But the galaxies are simply moving through it Then the yellow line the data will fall along the yellow line that would represent the average angular diameter of galaxy

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And so let's plug in the actual data Here are the here are the average galaxy sizes as recorded by different different scientists using the

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James Webb Space Telescope data So I used their Measurements and plugged them in and sure enough the galaxies you can see the galaxies get smaller and smaller with distance as our intuition would

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Expect the magnification effect is not there that the data match almost perfectly

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What we would expect if the fabric of space is not expanding But the red ships of galaxies are simply a

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Doppler shift and so that what that indicates is the Big Bang is wrong It indicates that there's a new

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Theology or new cosmology one that I hope is I think should be creation -based and that galaxies are simply moving through a

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Space that is itself rather static. So I slept very well I was excited.

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So once I got to sleep I I slept very well. Yes. Yes. Yes So I see there there was one set of data

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That looks like the tired light model. So I'm I'm I'm still gonna put in a you know one

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One yay for the old tired light model. It's a riches riches rich rich and I are like, oh, yeah

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So, all right, so now you have published this in journal

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But it's not a secular journal, right right, and I considered publishing in a secular journal, but I wanted to highlight the creation implications of this and so I want other creationists to be aware of this and if the

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Secularists want to learn about this. They're gonna have to start reading our journals So I think that creation journals should should have the the latest and best science because we're doing it from a proper

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Proper biblical perspective and as a result we tend to get the right answer So I thought that was that was kind of fun, but I published it in the answers research journal

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Which is it's pure. It's a peer -reviewed journal. That's published by answers in Genesis and we had a number of Creation as astronomers and physicists look at it and approvingly they said yeah, this is good stuff

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They gave me some helpful feedback a couple places where they made suggestion suggestions that I took and so yeah

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It has been peer -reviewed. So this nonsense about well, you know creationists can't publish in scientific peer -reviewed literature.

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Well, here it is But I think it would have survived peer -review even in a secular journal

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I probably would have had to remove the creation implications though to get it through. Yeah, unfortunately,

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I'm sure that's probably the case. So okay, so Now this isn't the first I mean this is

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I would assume from your perspective the biggest thing That you have seen in this data, but really

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Because I remember we were I was talking with you before web was even launched going man. This is gonna be really cool

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It's gonna have all this, you know You know because I mean Hubble was you know, 80s 90s tech basically and you know we kept going up there when we still could anyways and You know fixing stuff and maybe improving a few things and and you had mentioned that it's

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Instrumentation was limited as far as the infrared stuff goes and that we do have satellite observatories that have infrared capability and stuff and that's where I know

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I watched a fascinating documentary on sort of the discovery of Sagittarius a star and You know whipping whipping stars around like in a million miles per hour and real fun stuff like that Anyway reason they can see that stuff is because they had the infrared

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Capacity to be able to see through the dust and the dirt and everything is between here and there. So you've been

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Obviously keeping a close eye on the data that is becoming available from web for a couple years now

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So, you know you had mentioned a couple of things that you had already observed. This is the next thing along the line

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What are the secular scientists doing

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I mean Don't they see that this isn't following the predictions that they're their models would be calling for Yeah, and you would think you know secular scientists or they're just unbiased and neutral and They have a worldview and so they automatically filter data through their worldview we all do this

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It's just that's the human condition, but I've predicted what I think they will say and to some extent what they've already said

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Basically, there is an assumption. I've made when I plotted this data I assumed that the typical size of the galaxy nearby is the same as a typical size far away

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Which is what I would expect as a biblical creationist and I find if you assume that and you assume Non expanding space the data fit perfectly.

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So the observations match But the secularists could argue that the universe is expanding but galaxies in the past were very tiny

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They were they were small now We already know they have the same amount of mass as nearby galaxies.

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The number of stars are the same We can estimate that by their their brightness of these galaxies. We already know that So they would have to assume that the galaxies themselves somehow grow in size without gaining any mass because they're already massive

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And I think that's what they are claiming So they this is what the secularists will say The reason those galaxies look much smaller than they should assuming the expansion of the universe is because they're actually really tiny

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But space is expanding trust us That's what that's what they're gonna say and it but my counter argument would be you're saying that these two effects

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Exactly cancel that these that the magnification effect. You should be seeing which you're not Exactly cancels the growth of these galaxies.

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So they look like my models, right and your models wrong. Is that what you're saying? They're gonna argue for two two coincidences basically that have aligned to make my model look correct

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I think that's the only way they can get out of it. I'm I'm sitting here going but What there are

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I would assume there are so many Well, of course there are different kinds of galaxies spiral galaxies and and stuff like that I understand that not out every galaxy.

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It looks like every other galaxy. I get that but if there are for example

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It is it has it been pretty much accepted by everybody that for example spiral galaxies such as our own

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I'm assuming Andromeda would would fit into the same general category Is is there a basic assumption that they all have supermassive black holes in the in in the center

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Yes, and there's actually pretty good evidence for that every galaxy. We've looked at whether it's a spiral or an elliptical There's that seems to have a supermassive black hole at the center

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So but if they're teeny tiny and you have a supermassive black hole I'm I'm a dummy, but that seems

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It seems like you're you're really getting desperate here And assuming there'd be all sorts of different kinds of physics and everything else going on And why would they then be expanding in in the exact same rate it just seems like special pleading

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It is special pleading. Absolutely and anyone who embraces Occam's razor ought to reject their explanation, but my that's just my prediction

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That's what they're gonna go with because the only alternative is to give up expansion in the universe At least the Friedman limited

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Robertson -Walker metric which describes that expansion, but then there's no Big Bang You can't have a

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Big Bang and I think they're gonna have a real tough time giving up the Big Bang Oh, yeah, so I oh, yeah. Yeah, because what else what other secular experts like evolution?

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I mean, they know it's got problems, but what else we don't want to admit creation So I think that's what they're gonna do

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I think they're gonna say that these galaxies somehow we're very tiny in the past if you think about it They'd have to be like ten times smaller than our galaxies

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But with the same mass ten times in each dimension, which means they're a thousand times denser than galaxies nearby

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And for some reason their density has decreased over time in exactly the right way to make my model look right

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And the Big Bang model look wrong, but that's what that's what they're stuck with at this point. Okay, man I'm I'm I'm not on your level, but um if you have ten times the mass

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That much closer together That how does that not collapse in on itself?

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Why would it be expanding? Well, there is no it wouldn't necessarily collapse in on itself because the space between stars is enormous

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I mean we see these pictures of galaxies and looks very crowded, but the actual space right mean stars is enormous

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So if you want to decrease that by a factor of ten, that's okay. That's not gonna affect stars What but what is the problem is what would be the mechanism to cause these galaxies to somehow grow in size?

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Bound systems do that systems where you have an you know, something orbiting something else, right? They do not expand with the expansion of the universe because that would violate conservation of energy.

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So What what's causing they're going to have to argue somehow that galaxies interacting with each other have caused them to grow in size

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But without growing in mass, but no computer simulation that i'm aware of has predicted that And why why would it only be happening with galaxies far far away?

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Why wouldn't we be able to see the same processes happening with the galaxies that are closest to us? Well, they probably argue that it that it is it's just so gradual that for the nearest few

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Galaxies, you don't really see that much of an effect. I think is probably what they're arguing But again, i'm speculating this is what

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I what I think they're going to respond To this because the only alternative is to give up The freedom layer robertson walker metric and that means giving up the big bang

34:33

Do you but but the real the real question is do you really expect them to even acknowledge the existence of the paper?

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And the data um, no What's interesting because there's one guy who is like a troll

34:48

And he's I know he's an astronomer and he trolls creation website So I was curious to see what he was going to say about this because I know he will read it

34:56

And and he posted he said well, this this doesn't prove the big bang's wrong It just proves our idea of galaxy's evolution is wrong

35:02

And I said actually the paper is not about galaxy evolution It's a it's a test of the friedman levator robertson walker metric on which the big bang is based

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I said and then I said maybe read the paper Because I have the feeling he probably didn't I think it was a knee -jerk reaction

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So there's one troll that has responded, but it was a knee -jerk reaction. I don't think he's thought about it so I I don't know how they're going to respond but um

35:25

It's out there. Yeah, it's out there for anyone to read it. Yeah, but see my my concern these days jason, uh, honestly is

35:34

That there is so much data out there and so much information out there and uh, it seems to me that well, if we look at the medical field that has been so horrifically, um

35:51

Impacted by money um in almost any field of academia uh grants research grants

36:00

You know fellowships chairs, it's all become money money money money money and in western society today academia has

36:13

Just become the mouthpiece of whoever has the money to tell everybody else what to believe and so The I i'm just not sure that we're living in a day

36:23

We're having the data out there that says hey look guys Um, james webb is telling us this and it doesn't fit with your assumptions uh, unless you've got the money to you know, um get rfk jr to talk about it or something on cnn uh, it they just close their eyes to it.

36:44

It's it's scary because then when you build upon falsehoods when you build upon Errors in a model at the at the base.

36:54

It just keeps getting worse and worse the farther you get up into the superstructure Um, and we're wasting wasting time and money.

37:01

Um, i'm i'm concerned about that. Uh, it it it you know, uh, so I I just really wonder if if they'll just do their best to try to Ignore that it's even there

37:13

Yeah, the I mean that's that's an issue. It's definitely an issue Fortunately, there's not as much of a financial incentive to defend the big bang specifically so You know if if somebody at the university challenges the big bang is not frankly as long as they present another secular model

37:29

They're not going anywhere, especially if they're tenured. They're fine. They're not going to gain 33 billion dollars, uh, either way

37:35

Like certain medical companies have yeah, but uh in any case so that's that we have that Um as a as a as a break anyway, and then i'm doing what

37:43

I can to get it out there But i'm just one guy so i'm appearing on different appearing on different Podcasts webcasts trying to get the information out there

37:50

But frankly, you know if the evolutionists if the secularists want to stay in their echo chambers and not read creationist papers

37:56

They're welcome to do that But frankly at this point they're going to get left behind when it comes to doing science because i'm making success

38:02

I've made the last three successful predictions Uh in terms of what james webb would detect were creationist predictions

38:09

And i've made a fourth one with this paper I've predicted that they're going to continue to find galaxies at higher redshifts and the average

38:16

Angular diameter will be 0 .2 arc seconds. That's a very specific quantitative prediction Right and and that's 10 times smaller than what the big bang folks would expect

38:24

So there it is. There's the prediction and we're just going to see what happens as the newer data Come in, but I think if the secularists don't eventually get on board, they're just going to be left behind We're the ones that are going to be doing the science in terms of making successful predictions

38:38

About what james webb and and frankly other discoveries in science Okay, so you've you've uh, this has been a pretty exciting time, uh for you obviously, um

38:52

Uh, I mean I I remember you you I forget when it was you had uh, Were using all this

38:59

Data that I guess is publicly available um and had discovered a planet and uh planet, uh

39:08

Jason lilatonius and um, uh stuff like that. No, it's not rich is looking at me like really

39:13

I was like no, uh, besides he would have he would have Taken he would have taken some one of the terms from one of the planets from star trek and he would have named it that if that if he was given the right to do that, uh, but uh

39:28

Vulcan, uh, yeah. Nah, that's that's too close. That's too close. But uh, but anyways, so so You've been exciting time look at all this stuff.

39:37

There's more data coming I mean, you know I would assume that the web telescope is massively, um booked shall we say, uh,

39:50

I mean, I even know how They prioritize one project over another or where they're looking or you know, what kind of you know, if they're doing uh

40:03

Infrared stuff or visible light all this there's so many things that i'm sure They want to look at and they want to look at in different ways with this thing that that it's going to take time for all this stuff to come out but Do you already have sort of a scratch pad idea someplace?

40:21

of Other stuff you want to be looking at. Um as the data becomes available

40:28

That uh, you know you right now you might want to go yeah, but I don't really want to mention it to anybody I don't know.

40:34

No, i'm good. I'm good because I I want to get it kind of on the record I want to get it out there so that when it when they find it and i'll say see there we go

40:42

You need to come you need to become a creationist if you want to do successful science, right? Um, one of the things i'd love to see is repeated observation

40:49

They may not do this But it'd be fun to see repeated observations of deep fields looking for supernovae in these fields exploding stars

40:56

Especially type 1a supernovae, which you might not even expect the secularist might not even expect them at that distance.

41:02

I would because of my I won't go to the details But as a creationist, I would expect to find type 1a supernovae and they have a very characteristic light curve which um, which

41:12

I can predict based on the doppler model would have a different peak than it does if the

41:17

Friedman lamator robertson walker metric is correct if the universe if the fabric of space is expanding the peak is different And also the stretching of that supernova light curve

41:27

It's it's affected by time dilation And that's something that i've predicted because I actually mentioned that in the technical paper

41:34

I can't remember if I repeated it in the layman Summary, but in the technical paper, I predicted what type 1a supernovae what their peak magnitude should be

41:42

If they find one in james webb space telescope data, but that requires multiple observations of the same field

41:48

But I think it would be a really worthwhile study But frankly wherever they point the thing I predict it's gonna it's gonna confirm biblical creation because it always does this is the history

41:56

Of science the secularists continue to make wrong prediction after wrong prediction after wrong prediction And so wherever they point it we're going to get good information

42:04

Uh granted a lot of the folks that funded the james webb space telescope Most of them are not biblical creationists a few of them are

42:10

Um, but whatever it discovers is going to is going to confirm god's glory That's one of the reasons he made the universe is to declare his glory

42:17

So I expect to see all kinds of exciting stuff with extrasolar planets. James webb is is able to Detect these and measure the chemistry on them in some cases

42:27

I predict it'll find evidence of magnetic fields on these planets, which you'd not expect if they're billions of years old So that's just whatever it's going to find it's going to confirm biblical creation fascinating fascinating, um

42:41

And well, we it would take too much time to get into that but it would be very very interesting to sometime discuss

42:50

Uh You know, uh Life out there in the sense of You know bacteria or or things like that, you know, they they're all they're constantly looking for that kind of stuff um, and yet from a creationist perspective if god wants to Make a planet just gloriously colorful with all sorts of different kinds of you know

43:15

Bacteria and stuff like that, you know, we're we're perfectly fine with something like that They would be you know about ready to You know, uh jump up and down and and declare the darwin a saint, uh, if if they ran into anything like that But that means that there's a there's there's filters that are being run on the interpretation of all of this this data and are there others are there like organizations or just other scientists that are

43:41

Combing through this stuff like you are that aren't necessarily bringing all that secular stuff to it, uh, or I mean how many how many jason lyles are running around out there?

43:54

I I think that's probably something we need to know one way or the other Yeah, they're in terms of uh astronomers or astrophysicists with a phd who approach it from a biblical creationist perspective

44:04

There are really very few at least there are very few who are out of the closet I'm sure there are some at the university that are at a secular university

44:12

That that are biblical creationists, but they keep it under wraps because they they don't have tenure yet So, I mean that's that's

44:18

I mean that can happen but in terms of those of us who are doing, you know Actually doing research out there. I mean there's folks like ron samick.

44:24

There's danny faulkner There's uh, john hartnett. He's a physicist. I mean, they're doing russ humphries that are doing good research

44:32

Um along these lines the nice thing about the james webb space telescope. It is taxpayer funded.

44:38

Thank you for contributing Uh, even though you didn't want to um, and that means the data are publicly available

44:43

So anybody who wants to research it now that doesn't necessarily mean they're easy to access because some of the man some of man

44:49

Some of the sites where i've tried to access these data like could you possibly make this more confusing? Tell me this isn't a government operation

44:56

But um, but nonetheless it is publicly available And so if you if you have the desire to analyze james webb space telescope data, you can do it

45:06

And that means they're anybody who wants to can do it And so that's that's very exciting and that's how I was able to do this because it is publicly available

45:13

Well, that's really exciting. Now. I do have a question for you. Um, what is the size of the celestron, uh telescope behind you?

45:21

Oh, that's that's my baby. That's just a little uh, eight inch. So, okay The big one that we used is a 14 inch.

45:28

Oh, I know I know but see, um, I have a six inch Celestron looks just like that.

45:34

That's what I carry in the uh, actually, it's in the other room because I didn't want to leave it in the heat but Uh, that's what

45:40

I carry in the rv is uh, because man that thing is fast to set up it really Really really is very much.

45:48

I you know, you saw my eight inch mead um that this thing I can set up in a matter of minutes and that was the whole idea was

45:57

When you rarely get a clear night like in an rv park if I can set that thing up outside my rv

46:04

Everybody in their second cousin is walking around with their dogs and stuff like that And if you've got a telescope set up and you go, yeah, come on You want to see jupiter you want to see you know, saturn something like that uh, you can get in some great conversations and I think

46:18

I told you I bought from your ministry a bunch of your uh, astronomy tracks Uh that I have in the rvs.

46:25

So, um now finding Finding clear nights Where you're not parked under a street lamp

46:34

Yeah, it's it's sort of tough. There's no two ways about it But when it comes to planets and stuff like that, you know, you can you you can have uh, jupiter lined up and it and You know, you still and you're still underneath the street lamp that that's not a that's a problem so I recognized it that that orange tube is uh is real real, uh,

46:54

Recognizable and yeah, that's this I bought my kids. My grandkids have a four inch I've got the six inch in the rv and of course yours has to be bigger

47:02

Yeah, you know, that's just how how it works, uh, oh well, but you're right it's very portable

47:08

In fact when we went to see the eclipse We went to the path of totality to see the eclipse earlier this year and that's the one

47:13

I brought with me I used the projection method on it. And then once it was totally eclipsed just looked right through it the prominences were amazing

47:19

Wow, yeah, it was like five minutes. I was set up whereas with my big telescope five minutes I don't even have the base assembled.

47:25

That's right. That's right Yeah, I don't even have all the parts out of the car yet Oh man, that is a nice one and let me tell you something folks this man is not only an astrophysicist

47:34

Uh, he also should work for ups because he can put more stuff into the back of a small car uh, including a 10 inch, uh, a 14 inch 14 inch dobsonian, uh telescope

47:49

I don't even know how you do it. I mean you you must have I I everything's got to go All those games of tetris were not wasted

47:59

That's exactly right And be able to to put it together in the dark That's the that's the amazing part that you haven't lost 47 little tiny screws that are very very important And they're left in the in the grass someplace.

48:12

Uh, that that's that's that's the amazing part Well, sorry, I had to ask about that because I saw it and I said, yeah, i've seen that one before Uh, not that one, but uh, that's that's what

48:21

I carry in the rv. So Well brother, I really appreciate you taking the time to do this I want to direct everybody to biblical science institute .com

48:29

I also want to say to all the homeschoolers, uh in in the audience. We have lots of homeschoolers um

48:36

I've I think I've made sure that my kids have all of jason's books available to them in their homeschool library

48:45

And I think everybody else not and not only all the astronomy stuff which of course is great and really colorful and pretty and the book on fractals and Uh all that kind of stuff but also, you know, uh works on logic and argumentation

48:59

And uh all that stuff you need to go to biblical science institute .com Get that stuff for your grandkids your kids, whatever however old you are

49:08

Make sure that they have the good material available to them And we very much appreciate jason lyle producing all of that stuff and look forward

49:17

To what's going to be coming in the future because i'm sure um I'll still not have figured out all the

49:25

Stuff on this one, but there'll be more stuff to come that will leave me feeling even more stupid than I do now.

49:31

So, um Even though I I get it I just couldn't necessarily explain one aspect of it very well because I just think you get to a certain age and your mind just goes.

49:42

Yeah, I don't think so I can't I I can't burn those new pathways It's just it's it's we can't do what?

49:53

Oh, yeah. Yeah that line. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So anyways, thank you brother for taking the time to be with us and uh

50:00

Look forward to seeing you again in the future Sounds good. Thanks for having me on. All right. God bless. Bye. Bye All right.

50:06

Well, um Yeah, every time every you should you should see

50:15

You should see the looks on rich's face, um that i've been i've been Chortling about but I I have the same feelings.

50:23

It's just sort of like I keep saying he's the smartest guy i've ever met and he is there's just they're just There it doesn't matter what you're talking about You know,

50:34

I mean, you know two months ago. We're I don't think it was full two months We're out.

50:40

Yeah. No, it's not been a full two months. Um, barely over a month We're out in the dark

50:47

He has his 14 -inch dobsonian setup We're looking at stuff And he has these super duper high -end um binoculars or for night vision goggles night vision goggles and white phosphorus

51:09

I have some green phosphorus night vision goggles, which are really nice, but they're not nearly as nice as his And he has found a way

51:19

I mean he manufactured he made it himself found a way to attach the night vision goggles to his telescope so you can you can just walk up to the telescope and and look through the night vision goggles and he's you you we were looking at It just makes nebulae

51:44

Glow in the dark, I mean It's astonishing. It really I actually took a little picture.

51:50

I posted I somehow managed to get my phone to where it got a semi -decent shot uh through his telescope with those night vision goggles and it astonishing stuff, but like I said

52:04

Uh polymath, whatever terms you want to use that's jason and yet So humble.

52:10

Um Just uh, just a great brother we are Very very very, uh, thankful to have him, uh out there doing the things he's doing

52:18

Take advantage, please of his uh his information. You will find it to be exceptionally exceptionally

52:26

Uh useful i'm seeing a bunch of stuff on twitter About the cnn interview, uh, have you been seeing any of this?

52:36

um 18 minutes long They will not release a transcript and they had to edit it down The two the two of these people together cannot survive being interviewed by their own press

52:52

For more than 18 minutes without melting melting down I mean I I I don't even uh my my my wife and I Uh, i've been talking a lot

53:09

Far more about this election than anyone in the past and It always ends up with both of us just putting our hands up and just going

53:21

I don't say I I I I just I just don't even know what to say the the

53:28

And I just I end up always coming to the conclusion. There is a spirit of stupor

53:35

They refuse to love the truth. They are caused to love a lie And that's the only explanation I can come up with There are people who will look at me and go.

53:43

Yeah, things are really bad. It's trump's fault. So we need to vote paris and you're like But they're in charge they've been in charge for three and a half years and all this inflation and stuff that they're the you're voting for more of it and it's just like And the only thing

54:04

I the only explanation I can come up with Is judgment judgment,

54:10

I I I I don't want that to be the case But I don't

54:15

I don't understand it. I I really There's a lot of things. I don't understand these days.

54:20

There's a lot of things. I do not Understand these things. Uh, it's interesting I again watching my mentions during the program

54:30

I don't I I don't think i'm not surprised by this but No, no one's making any comments whatsoever about the program up to this point

54:42

Because I think everybody's like that's really interesting, but i'm not gonna comment on that for love nor money because I'm, not sure look

54:55

The summary the summary article is really good go to biblical science institute .com read it

55:02

Fundamentally all He's saying is the data from the james webb space telescope

55:08

Demonstrates that the fundamental assumptions that have been used for 100 years in regards to space cosmology um

55:19

Don't add up And that the big bang requires a particular conclusion that the data does not support and the real question is

55:33

Who's willing to follow the data and we've already seen in regards to evolution There are very few who are willing to follow the data.

55:42

I mean intelligent design is just so obvious and yet You know, you're never going to get tenure you're never going to get research grants

55:54

If you don't toe the line and it's not just in that area if you don't toe the line in economics and history and That's the problem once once the academy becomes completely corrupted by money power

56:11

And I suggest you secularism has no guardrails to stop it

56:17

In fact secularism rewards it It rewards it And so that's

56:26

That's where we are and that's why homeschool parents if you haven't tuned out already

56:32

Homeschool parents you have to teach your kids to demythologize scholarship that I did not say disrespect

56:40

But to demythologize it scholarship that produces sound consistent conclusions

56:50

Is to be respected But today What we have is the experts say who where how

57:02

What methods they use we're not allowed to ask And so demythologizing

57:09

Means that you recognize just because somebody's got a bunch of letters after their names Honestly doesn't even mean that they have common sense

57:18

It may mean that they know a whole lot about a sliver of human knowledge that wide

57:26

And nothing about all the rest of it Because the current The current mindset in the academy

57:35

It used to be that there was an emphasis That if you're studying this area

57:42

Then to be a Complete scholar you needed to know at least something about how that area relates to the area next door and over here and over here and over here if you wanted to be a complete scholar, but That's not the case anymore.

57:59

That is not the case anymore You can get that terminal degree

58:06

And be completely incapable of relating The conclusions in your field to even closely related fields let alone the broad stretch of human knowledge um and That ends up with all the compartmentalization and all the incoherence and again, it comes from secularism

58:30

Comes you put man in the center man isn't big enough to fit in the center So you have to teach your kids

58:40

To demythologize scholarship Not to be swayed quickly by You know, whatever the most recent

58:52

Article on the internet is you know um, it used to be that there would be years of interaction and Analysis and all that kind of stuff

59:04

Not anymore. Not anymore All right. I need to make a few comments, uh for a few minutes.

59:10

Um I almost don't even want to uh Look at my twitter feed right now, uh

59:20

It's um, it's depressing uh Look when

59:27

I use bold When I use all caps bold like a king james onlyist Yeah, you know, um,

59:38

I don't even that means i'm at the end of my rope Um I have

59:49

Explained in every way that I can explain it my concerns about seeing

59:59

It i'm not i'm not talking about roman catholics. I I understand why roman catholics Lionized the crusades they they were

01:00:09

They were initiated by the pope and the pope exercised the power of the keys uh to grant indulgences and yeah, um so my my discussion of the uh

01:00:27

The topic of the crusades with roman catholic is going to be completely different than my discussion with Uh a secularist with a muslim my

01:00:43

Comments over the past week or so Um have been directed to my fellow

01:00:51

Protestants broadly, but much more so To reformed men who are lionizing the crusaders as embodying the kind of masculine bravery

01:01:13

And I would think christ -centeredness. I mean they've got a cross on their on their right there, you know um that we should be seeking to Emulate and create amongst our people and part of this is the

01:01:33

Pendulum reaction to feminism We see uh entire quote -unquote mainline denominations now predominantly led by women

01:01:50

We see the men in these denominations Um little you know, um

01:01:59

Just neutered and so there's a pendulum swing and so now you've got guys with beards that are 14 feet long and Spend they spend 14 hours in the gym and they're jumping off cliffs with axe axes and Stuff like that and it's just like into the water not

01:02:24

Jumping off cliff jumping off cliff into the water, uh with an axe and you know, and It's a pendulum swing

01:02:34

And So I started seeing I don't know a year and a half ago or so these ai generated

01:02:45

Images, you know, i've never done a single one of them I have friends that are very good at it.

01:02:50

I don't i've never done a single one. I've never worn a virtual reality device Never put one on my face and I don't think

01:02:57

I probably ever will oh, well, yeah, I can imagine I can see you just falling over, uh, but that's that's because you and I played dissent years and years ago and You you lost it, you know, um but anyway

01:03:13

See what I have to put up with here people it's amazing Um, i'm trying to say something serious, what's this guy doing?

01:03:21

Um, so I started seeing this stuff And I was like, um, okay

01:03:27

And they're all big buff guys and stuff like that and they believe me people coming out of medieval europe

01:03:33

Were did not look like arnold schwarzenegger uh but I just thought well, it's a phase

01:03:41

You know, I I at first I didn't see people specifically honestly arguing that the crusades should

01:03:52

Be something that we would emulate That there would be good positive christian truth to be derived

01:04:00

From the pope's crusades offensive military invasions uh to protect

01:04:09

Well, but they were protecting christians they were they were Seeking to re -establish christian control of holy sites for pilgrimages

01:04:21

And I don't know I I guess reformed people do pilgrimages to ligonier uh

01:04:28

Really not much more than that. Um, you know, uh, you know, maybe some of the uh

01:04:36

Some spurgeon folks will do pilgrimages to the metropolitan tabernacle or You know stuff like that, but we don't really have a theology of pilgrimage and pilgrims and stuff like that And so yeah,

01:04:52

I was looking at and going this is sort of strange but now What i've seen over the past week, um, my block list has doubled in size

01:05:04

Sadly Um I have seen astonishing hatred expressed toward muslim

01:05:14

It's been it's been sad. Um I I have to admit that what

01:05:23

I have seen is that Amongst reformed men There I can't see any difference in the

01:05:33

I do not see a spirit Born zeal and love to bring the gospel to the mormon

01:05:42

To the muslim well the mormon people either for that matter, but to the muslim, especially not the muslim people That should be the necessary result

01:05:53

Of a sound grasp of the gospel Because we have the only message

01:06:00

That can defeat islam we have the own the gospel is the power of god in the salvation

01:06:10

I I was astonished at how many people there were people literally saying you're starting to sound like john piper

01:06:18

And maybe there's a burnout you're not thinking about maybe there's a burnout on together for the gospel and you know t4g and the gospel coalition and just Over using the the term

01:06:34

But we have the only power that can change hearts and mind

01:06:45

Bombs can't do it Crusaders can't do it horses can't do it

01:06:51

Airplanes can't do it. Um We can literally change hearts and minds and So naive me

01:07:04

Um We did a Chris did a search on our uh

01:07:12

Transcripts page on our website And came up with a couple of Quotations, it's not like i've spent a whole lot of time on it.

01:07:22

I mean obviously i've Taught church history a number of times over the over the years and i've addressed crusades at that point but On the dividing line he pulled up references one of them was interestingly enough right after 9 11

01:07:35

Um where I said the same things about the crusades had the same concerns

01:07:41

That I have today and so once again just as with the tomism stuff

01:07:49

A couple weeks ago with the with the the jews are behind every evil in the world stuff Now with the we all need to become crusaders stuff um

01:08:01

I'm, right where i've been and all of a sudden All these folks who are saying we used to listen to you all the time and I learned so much from you but now you've just turned your back on us and blah blah blah and it's like I haven't changed

01:08:18

If you listened to my church history lectures and i've said i've had lots of people Lots of people over the years saying well, man, i'm so glad I found all your church history stuff online and man, this is fascinating Okay That's great.

01:08:33

I'm glad to have been of help but I said the same things back then that i'm saying now and the great frustration for me

01:08:47

Honestly has been I could address someone who

01:08:52

Um six years ago Would have been sitting in the audience at g3 really enjoying whatever

01:09:00

I was preaching on at that particular point in time And if we had talked afterwards man, we would have had a wonderful time and And they they would have heard what

01:09:12

I was saying And and tracked with what my central core concerns were now.

01:09:18

It's just like I it's like i'm speaking a different language because What will come back?

01:09:30

from this group in general has to do with Everything other than what

01:09:39

I have said in my original posts my ops I call it um

01:09:47

And even though I keep coming back saying but but I said this are you going to respond to this?

01:09:52

You know early on I said 90 of my original post on this subject was about The theological underpinnings

01:10:03

Of the crusades and if you read Established Um Proven sources

01:10:16

Not not stuff that is uh coming out of The modern muslim resurgence islamic terrorism, you know isis the caliphate

01:10:30

You know the current stuff now But stuff has been around a while So philip schaaf nick needham again standard sources that We've been referring to For you know with schaaf for decades

01:10:50

Nick stuff's not that old but it's been around a while Um you read what these sources say

01:11:00

And they deal honestly, they'll give you the quotations from the various popes we may

01:11:05

I may have to take the time to go back through and read these things and Establish the theological character

01:11:16

Of the crusade now the modern books downplay that as almost all modern historiography does um with anything

01:11:29

Uh, you read modern books on the reformation And amazingly they will downplay the theological content

01:11:36

It's well, they yeah, they talked about that and they used that but there was all this other stuff actually going on because that's that's how

01:11:43

History is viewed today my concern

01:11:50

From the start from the beginning has been that the crusades

01:11:58

Were an offensive roman catholic military excursion outside of The lands where roman catholicism predominated which involved invasion

01:12:16

Of non -roman catholic lands um

01:12:22

Won't go into this right now, but also involved um Negative interaction with eastern orthodoxy

01:12:33

And the byzantine empire and in fact weakened the byzantine empire

01:12:40

That's a whole nother area of you know That's that's some of the historical stuff that you can have one side argue one thing one side the argues the other thing you know you can

01:12:48

You can do all that stuff you want to And it's fascinating it's interesting but that's not been my issue

01:12:54

I have not I have not sit here and said oh man The worst thing about the crusades was it hastened the fall of constance noble in 1453

01:13:01

Because it weakened the byzantine empire because they sacked constance noble They did it because you know this little place here.

01:13:07

They wanted it It's all political and it was money and yeah Okay, all that's all that's true

01:13:14

But that hasn't been what has concerned me about Young reformed men um

01:13:24

Fantasizing that they're wearing armor with a big cross on it and they've got a big old sword and they're gonna This is how we're gonna win back western culture

01:13:34

That that stuff is interesting to discuss but isn't the issue

01:13:40

Here's the issue the pope As the self -proclaimed vicar of christ

01:13:51

Utilized the power of the keys and and I think one of the problems here is Most protestants don't know anything about roman catholic theology.

01:13:58

They really don't I've come to the conclusion that For 25 years now

01:14:06

All the debates i've done over well over 30 years now of with roman catholics My fellow protestants were patting me on the back saying you go get them james and they weren't listening to a word

01:14:15

I was saying That's my sad conclusion There are exceptions but for most people it's like Power the keys what isaiah what uh, huh?

01:14:29

Anyway, um The pope exercising the power of the keys

01:14:37

Raised up armies Of knights And other individuals who in that day now

01:14:48

Had people saying you don't think there are any christians for martin luther The number of lies absolute

01:14:58

Falsest lies that i've heard about myself just over the past three days From people who also claim to have i've listened to you forever has been pretty troubling you know

01:15:11

Um, you don't think they're any christian what? How can you say that?

01:15:18

It's a lie I've said the exact opposite of that forever. Have you how many dividing lines have

01:15:24

I gone through full gentius of rusps? Materials from the sixth century ago, man.

01:15:30

This guy was great. This is six centuries in What what do you what are you talking about there weren't any christians still luther

01:15:39

But you see they confuse the real issue and the real issue is

01:15:45

That there is a massive amount of nominalism and again All these reformed folks that are sitting here going.

01:15:53

You know what? Nominalism is cool It's better to have a society full of nominal christians who actually don't know the gospel and are going to go to hell

01:16:04

And are going to be more severely punished because they had access to the light But they didn't have the gospel and they didn't know christ and they

01:16:15

They were encouraged in that by the church of their day But hey, it was a better society than what we have now

01:16:24

With drag queen story hour. Hey, you know what all christians know drag queen story hour is evil

01:16:30

They they know it's evil And I don't I appreciate when a culture has you know still has some

01:16:45

Connection to light from the past that keeps things from being really really bad. It doesn't change the fact

01:16:51

That centuries and centuries Of tradition crippled gospel

01:17:01

Tradition encrusted gospel Priests no such thing in the new testament

01:17:08

There are no sacramental priests In the new testament don't listen to my debate with mitch paqua we've dealt with these things for years

01:17:22

Priesthoods Sacramental penance rejustification The the whole controlling of the grace of god through the sacraments of the church this period of time is exactly where Transubstantiation began to develop

01:17:44

Aristotle's categories were brought in You start seeing the eucharistic miracles right after the turn of millennium and so you have

01:17:55

The biblical teaching of the once for allness the finished work of christ

01:18:02

Even an augustinian emphasis upon the existence of the elect All that stuff encrusted

01:18:11

By tradition And a Concept of a merit before god

01:18:21

And that's the only way you can sell people on leaving family and lands and traveling

01:18:32

Across europe walking riding whatever

01:18:39

Um to a foreign land Because the pope has promised that if you die in battle against the infidel

01:18:48

You will have eternal life it's a false gospel We all used to agree with that We all used to agree with it

01:18:58

I thought all of us reformed folks we recognized You can't sell god's forgiveness

01:19:07

On the basis of your going and Going on pilgrimages We all agree.

01:19:14

Oh, yeah Yeah, you can't do it by going on pilgrimages. You can't do it by buying indulgences But put a cross on your armor and die and that's okay

01:19:23

We'll we'll we'll let that one fly And I go no.

01:19:30

No, we we can't do that and so you have

01:19:35

A man who claims to be something. He's not the bishop of rome pope Offering that which he does not possess eternal life the mechanism thereof

01:19:47

To people who in the vast majority of situations do not know the gospel. No, I believe there were christians that yes

01:19:55

But the vast majority of those people who could be fooled into thinking that their righteousness before god

01:20:05

Could be determined by going and killing the infidel have been given a false gospel They don't know the scripture

01:20:13

That most vast majority of people didn't know the scripture at that time I mean, it's still going to be right at 300 years

01:20:24

Time period where you know for wickliffe is translating the bible into english and He's attacked because you can't have people reading the bible their own language

01:20:35

They've got to have the guidance of the church, you know, and so I don't blame them for being deceived, but it's still deception

01:20:45

I thought us reform folks Didn't we think that indulgences are deceptive?

01:20:53

I I mean, can we just think back to just last october? Did did any of you?

01:21:00

You know put up a image of luther nailing the 95 theses of the wittenberg dormy maybe possibly

01:21:09

Didn't didn't we all agree that the pope's not the vicar of christ and That indulgences are wrong and that the theology behind this is the real issue

01:21:19

That's what i've always thought that I'm discovering I was naive That I was sort of out there alone

01:21:28

Because i'm when I when I raise these issues and then I go and add

01:21:35

Wow there was There was really no concern whatsoever

01:21:43

About reaching the muslim people with the gospel and there wasn't

01:21:49

You can try to make that up if you want. I've seen people trying to say Oh, well that opened up opportunities for missionaries and stuff like that.

01:21:56

Who what were they preaching? Those armies were not concerned about the conversion

01:22:04

They weren't they weren't trained with the best arguments against islam Which rome wouldn't be able to offer anyways because they had encrusted the key portions of the gospel with unbiblical traditions, so a horrible

01:22:21

Heartbreaking Heartbreaking Example just examples over and over again over the past few days that i've seen of people demonstrating they have no desire all to be used of christ

01:22:42

To bring muslims to the truth none None They just look at the muslims as a whole group to be hated

01:22:52

I saw it over and over again and That's what you ended up with In the crusade

01:23:04

They're just the infidel you hack them to pieces You burn their cities you kill their women

01:23:10

There are lots of muslims have done horrible things to christians and christians have done horrible things to muslims

01:23:17

And it has not helped in actually the church

01:23:26

Has the one power But you see that takes patience That takes discipline that takes time

01:23:35

That takes the perspective one of the things that i've seen here There is a vast difference

01:23:44

Between my believing That The son has asked the father for the nations as his inheritance and will be given the nations as his inheritance the

01:24:02

Puritans had a post -millennial hope And they did not expect To see the fulfillment of that hope in their lifetime

01:24:11

That's why they built stuff That's why they invested that's why they were patient long -suffering the kind of Quote -unquote christian nationalism

01:24:28

Represented by stephen wolfe so mystic sacral anti -post -millennial

01:24:42

Anti -theonomic anti -presuppositional and man are we seeing what that means?

01:24:52

Man are we seeing what that means? and I'm seeing people who had started

01:25:04

More on my side moving that direction Because you see the the here's here's the issue the puritans

01:25:19

Prayed worked labored with joy For a future generation in which they were convinced

01:25:29

You would see the fulfillment of those massive promises Of the nation's desiring the law of god, but they knew it was going to happen in their lifetime

01:25:42

Especially in western culture. We have become so Completely wedded to instant satisfaction.

01:25:51

It's got to be now We don't think about our great -great -grandchildren and the idea of me spending my energy my money my life

01:26:08

In service of them Why And yet that's what we're called to that's that's what

01:26:18

I believe we're called to and so I I get the allurement

01:26:29

I get the In this exciting this gives us something to do and then the the hatred that some of these guys have of Boomers I mean andrew torba went after me.

01:26:44

I'm not overly impressed with mr. Torba um I mentioned and I I have saved it and we will

01:26:54

If if it works out to do so other stuff hasn't happened. I I do want to look at What he wrote to me

01:27:03

As an incredible illustration of scripture twisting how to use scripture Not in its original context but in the context you want to transport into to support whatever current

01:27:18

Political push you're working But These folks there there is a deep

01:27:28

And and people are purposefully seeking to create this a deep detestation

01:27:35

Of those who have come before And i've tried to you know, i've had

01:27:44

I've had a couple of people saying well, obviously you just live in the academic ivory tower

01:27:52

I've never been in the academic ivory tower Never sought to be in it

01:27:58

And it was pretty easy. I just posted pictures back to the guy of me standing in foreign countries in mosques with muslims

01:28:07

Talking about the gospel defending the gospel right there in person

01:28:14

That's not the academic ivory tower the academics don't do that I have so this

01:28:24

Detestation Of those who come before it's a massive sign of immaturity

01:28:31

And I keep saying to myself 10 15 20 years from now If I even live that long um

01:28:40

I'm gonna see i'm gonna be hearing them from a lot of these folks because you

01:28:47

Eventually grow out of this stuff And you eventually realize what's really going on and it's like oh wow.

01:28:52

Did I really do that kind of stuff back then? Yeah, I guess I did Y 'all are talking about we need leaders

01:29:01

In what? Leaders in what? What do you want to be led into My experience is until Certain Things happen in your life to where you

01:29:20

Recognize the need of maturity That you will resent those

01:29:26

Who direct you to? self -denial Discipline Working selflessly toward the future um and you'll instead go toward the quick fulfillment

01:29:50

Makes me feel really good. I feel like i've done something And see that's that's worldly that that comes from the flesh

01:30:02

Some of the best leaders you're going to find is are going to be found in The best history books

01:30:10

It was only a few months ago. I was reading to you from the works of adeniram judson

01:30:19

And from the world's perspective Here's a man who Gave himself he he was imprisoned.

01:30:29

He was He suffered he was hungry. He was ill. He was sick

01:30:35

Most of his compatriots died of diseases Ministering the gospel to In lands that still have tiny little churches

01:30:48

Adeniram judson would never understand what on earth is going on today on social media

01:30:57

He wouldn't understand it He would have no category Because his was a life of Service and it's it's a service that is

01:31:14

Based on self -denial take up your cross Taking up your cross and following jesus was joining the death march

01:31:23

It wasn't putting your cross On your armor to go murder the infidels

01:31:31

Oh, it's just military. Well look and I do need to address something else. I'm sorry if i'm going long here, but the fact the matter is

01:31:39

I It's a whole lot easier to do this than type and the typing hasn't accomplished anything for me, so i'm

01:31:46

Do it here I've had a lot of people say Oh, you must be a pacifist

01:31:54

And they've said you you you must agree with john piper that if something breaks in your home You should just let them do whatever they want

01:32:02

I posted a couple times my article from what was that? 2008 ish maybe even earlier than that.

01:32:10

I forget what it was where I addressed this very issue

01:32:20

Yeah, I did a dividing line, okay, I don't remember that but I think you're right And I I said, you know,

01:32:29

I I said no i'm i'm not There's stuff going on in our country right now. I'm um

01:32:36

Now I was just up in colorado and now i'm seeing these videos of these gangs

01:32:44

Just part of the millions and millions and millions and millions of invaders that we have Purposely let into our country to change the nature of our country because we've been taken over by our enemies

01:32:53

We are led by traitors. We are led by traitors To our own destruction these gangs

01:33:03

They just trashed a target I have to wonder if I haven't been to that target. I've been to a lot of targets up in in denver in aurora

01:33:12

And people are like so you just think we should let these people Rape our daughters and our wives and all the rest of the stuff

01:33:20

Like I said the number of lies that have been said about me just over the past couple of days um

01:33:28

No, I do not believe so The video of the

01:33:34

Muslim Muslim man, at least I didn't hear him saying allahu akbar, but he was seemed to be speaking a middle eastern language

01:33:42

That stabbed and killed the man in birmingham in the uk

01:33:48

Right on on video and they're mocking him as he's bleeding out and dying Slash his throat um

01:33:55

That man needs to be executed. That's justice It won't happen in the uk because they don't do things like that.

01:34:02

They don't understand justice and That man should have had the capacity to defend his life against that attacker

01:34:12

He said well, that's what the crusades were. No, it wasn't That's the whole point. That's not what the crusades were

01:34:19

This wasn't a defensive war People said well, you know, we're just simply defending christendom.

01:34:25

Well, there's there's another problem with christendom Because it seems like christendom 2 .0

01:34:35

Is just christendom 1 .0 microwave It's back to sacralism again

01:34:42

Um, but no I believe that I have a duty not just a right but a duty protect my wife from an attacker

01:34:54

You smash out the bedroom window in the middle of night And you better be ready to meet your maker

01:35:03

Okay Um, because we're not talking about the same thing here I'm, not putting a cross on my chest

01:35:10

And saying I shoot thee in the head in the name of jesus christ For thy good and mine as well

01:35:17

No, you have an evil. This is this is the you know, jesus used the parable of the strongman

01:35:24

Okay And you can't break into the strongman's home unless you bind the strongman He wasn't saying there's something wrong with the strongman

01:35:35

And if if you can be so confused as to think that that means That it was appropriate

01:35:42

To offer salvation to people who cross a continent To murder the infidel

01:35:52

To protect quote -unquote holy sites Um, then you're very confused now when when you get in the whole area of Self -defense, you know when where do you draw the line?

01:36:09

There was a guy I have him muted, but I saw it because I was following another Line, but we're going well, you know, where do you draw the line?

01:36:19

What if there's 10 people attacking your house Or a hundred people or a million people?

01:36:27

And so this goes to just war theory, but again

01:36:36

Off connecting the cross To the army

01:36:42

In the sense of saying If you're on if you're in this army, and this has happened over and over again

01:36:48

It happened during the world wars of religion in in europe If you're if you're saying if you're in this army, you get eternal life

01:36:55

If you're in that army you go to hell There's the issue and There can be disagreements amongst christians as to exactly where you do draw the line

01:37:09

And there can be disagreements amongst christians What if you live in a free land that is being?

01:37:18

Betrayed by its leaders in comparison to the early church that was in a non -free empire used whatever freedom they had to proclaim the gospel, but You did not have the bill of rights you did not have the second amendment

01:37:38

Where is the line drawn And there are disagreements amongst christians where it is, but there should not be any disagreements amongst reformed christians

01:37:50

That there is no reason to lionize the crusades

01:37:57

If You recognize their theological nature their historical source

01:38:05

And the impact that they had upon the gospel and those of you who have mocked me

01:38:14

For making reference to the gospel. What do you offer in place of it?

01:38:23

What's going to be your ultimate? Good if the gospel isn't it

01:38:30

I'm really concerned that what we're going to see is we're going to see people have gone, you know I started my studies in these things thinking that Roman catholicism was what

01:38:43

I Heard in church from martin luther and the evil pope and I've come to discover that There's a whole lot more to it than that And this christendom thing sounds like a really cool idea

01:38:55

But the only way to have christendom Is to have a pope And i've been watching roman catholics who are watching this going

01:39:04

Come on home Come on home Just you're paddling around out there in the tiber

01:39:11

Now what's going to happen is everything else i've said About the atonement the gospel something like that You're gonna you're gonna forget about all that Because I just said

01:39:23

I have a concern That I could see this happening

01:39:29

And you're that's all you're going to focus on I just I just know it. I I see what

01:39:34

I see what's out there. And so there is a calm collected

01:39:42

Um discussion Uh on on the subject, um, someone's asking if I got

01:39:50

A shirt I'll bet you that That must have been the uh the shirt that I took home

01:39:57

The one that life behind bars Yeah, so i'll i'll i'll have to respond to him

01:40:03

Anyways, sorry about that Okay spent a lot of time on that uh have to get home have a church function this evening uh

01:40:15

Yes next week I I think i'll have gotten through that book. So i've I can't

01:40:22

I can't announce any uh special guests right here next week, but I am trying to deal with other topics the crusade stuff, you know,

01:40:34

I don't want to uh Delve into it even more because The resources are there you did the sermons and and There's a lot of history you can dig into That I could demonstrate the theological utter theological aberrations of all of it

01:40:53

Um, I don't want to do that, but if I have to you know, maybe maybe that's what we'll end up end up doing but um

01:41:01

I think there are much more important things going on that are foundational to how we're going to Resist in the not too distant future um when

01:41:14

This program won't exist That day's coming I I would like to have a few more years

01:41:22

Maybe it won't exist because rich and I finally just get so old. We can't figure out how to get the computer started

01:41:29

Um rich is almost there Yeah that line Tired tired light tired dividing line

01:41:39

I like the tired light model. I I Not for scientific reasons, but just just like I understand this

01:41:47

What Yeah, yeah, um That day's coming Um unless this unless god turns this nation around in a miraculous fashion

01:41:59

When I look at kamala harris when I look at waltz These are people I I mean we haven't even talked about the facebook letter

01:42:08

The admission that everything we were saying Starting in 2020 was spot on We we we were right

01:42:19

And they're admitting it now Yeah, you know that we still have a strike against us on youtube.

01:42:25

Yep For that one program that we snuck through and then we went and took all those covet programs and moved them over to odyssey

01:42:32

Yep And but by the way, we did put them back once we got on x So those got all moved over to x and relinked.

01:42:40

Okay. So yeah, but it's it's true and the strike was for playing

01:42:47

Because they had their their bots looking for it was playing the the audio of a woman talking about the dangers of the mrna vaccines

01:42:58

It wasn't what I said. It was because I dared play someone Promoting that and of course, it's all been proven true

01:43:07

The the data is overwhelming, but we still have the strike and we always will um, because that's the nature of Censorship it's coming

01:43:21

So When you can't be constantly being encouraged by programs like this and the many others that are out there

01:43:29

You need to have a solid foundation in scriptures, so one of the things that we are going to be talking about is

01:43:38

I think a very dangerous movement within christian apologetics of Eroding the foundations of confidence in the inerrancy and inspiration scripture

01:43:51

So that's something i've been working on. Um That's long -term important.

01:43:56

I think it's more long -term important than you know the dust ups on uh on uh social media, but these dust ups are

01:44:06

Exposing some real foundational problems. They really really are and um

01:44:14

So that's why we discussed them. All right. Thank you for watching the program today. It's been a long one We will see you next time