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Don't miss today's episode of Apologia Radio! Jeff is back from Oklahoma and has some great news. We also have a very special thing to share with our friends and listeners. Take a listen!

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I'm rockabodas must stop. I don't want to rock the boat. I want to sink it
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Are you gonna bark all day little doggie, or are you gonna bite? Delusional is okay in your worldview.
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I'm an animal. You don't chastise chickens for being delusional You don't chastise pigs for being delusional. So you calling me delusional using your worldview is perfectly okay.
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It doesn't really hurt What Desperate times call for faithful men and not for careful men
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The careful men come later and write the biographies of the faithful men lauding them for their courage
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Going to all the world and make disciples not going to the world make buddies not to make brosives, right?
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Don't go in the world make homies right disciples. I got a bit of a jiggle Nick I Guess a joke pastor when we have the real message of truth.
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We cannot let somebody say they're speaking truth when they're not Stubborn children declares the
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Lord and carry out a plan but not mine and who make an alliance But not of my spirit that they may add sin
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To Sin What's up, guys? Welcome back to another episode of apology a radio back
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I just landed a little over an hour. I think ago something like that So we are back and ready to go.
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I wanted to be here for this episode because Is it loud?
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Mine mine's not working over here. There you go. Okay, I wanted to be here for this episode So it came straight from the airport to Apology of studios to get set for today's episode because we have a lot to talk about important things if you would share this across Dem Internets across social media platforms.
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You're gonna want to because if you believe in the Word of God if you believe that Christ is
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King of Kings and Lord of Lords if you believe that God's Word is the Ultimate and in the world then you're gonna want to share this episode because there's some big things happening right now in the world things have been praying for for a very very long time and We want you guys to participate with us
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I want you to put your hand in my hand and Join with me as we work together to bring the gospel into conflict with some very important issues
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I'm Jeff the calm of the ninja. Well, I thought you're asking to join him. Oh, yeah Happy Valentine's.
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That's right. Happy Valentine's Day everybody and that's Luke the bear right there. What is up?
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Joy the girl. Hello. Hey, so Lots to talk about so the verse that I shared at the beginning here was
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Isaiah chapter 30 verse 1 Isaiah chapter 30 verse 1 God says all stubborn children declares the
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Lord who carry out a plan but not mine and who make an alliance But not of my spirit that they may add sin to sin.
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What are you hearing it already Luke? Do you enjoy are you guys hearing it about unholy alliances about making a plan?
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But not of God's spirit and that may that they may add sin to sin. Who's that sound like well from my perspective
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It sounds like the pro -life movement. Oh The pro -life movement's making a Donald Trump and unholy alliance
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The pro -life movement pretending neutrality the pro -life movement saying no, we don't want to use Christian language
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We don't want to talk about Jesus. We don't want to use the Word of God We don't want to use words like murder and we want to fight this battle
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But we don't want to do it apart from the gospel and the biblical worldview We want to do it with neutrality and we want to do with more of a secular vision secular worldview and that has impacted us dramatically over four decades of Child murder child sacrifice in our culture.
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It has been devastating to us to allow Roman Catholics to lead in the area of the pro -life movement
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It has been devastating to us to actually try to engage the issue of abortion From a neutral perspective we have lost and I want to say that I agree with senator
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Joseph Silk Who I just sat down with in Oklahoma Two days ago the pro -life movement has no intention of ending abortion
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Their plan isn't right now to end abortion. It's to regulate abortion regulate abortion and The you you may
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I know that you guys hear us talking about abortion a lot here and that's because it is a very very important issue for us to love our neighbors in we have over three about 3 ,000 children a day that are murdered in our country.
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This is the United States of America about 3 ,000 children a day I'd say that calls for us to spend a lot of time working on this together
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Of course, we're gonna have lots of other episodes. We talked about the cults We do we do we do the Word of God we unpack the
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Word of God and all that is a part of what we do At Apologia radio, but right now there's a big big thing happening in the state of Oklahoma.
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It's happening in other states as well We're working ourselves on it. You have Christians now engaging with their local legislatures
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That has been one of the goals for 2019 with end abortion now was to have the
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Christian Church now Particularly hopefully the leadership of the Christian Church local churches across the country pastors to go to their their local magistrates and to bring the gospel into conflict with abortion to preach the gospel and to preach the
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Word of God and God's standards at their city councils and with their local legislatures that's been happening now across the
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United States of America John speed pastor John speed our good friend and brother actually just posted his it's making its rounds and Fox and Friends saw it
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They asked him to come back on he'll be on Saturday. No kidding. Yeah, he'll be on Saturday He was just on because he closed his business his bookstore in New York for the day to mourn what
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New York had done and he made the rounds was on Sean Hannity's and Fox and Friends and Maybe Glenn Beck.
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I maybe yeah, I think that's right And so John pastor John just went before his local legislature, which was a
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Syracuse. Oh, I forget the city itself I don't I'm not exactly sure but you you're gonna see this happening a lot this year
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If you guys are teamed up with us within abortion now under the banner of end abortion now that movement If you are teamed up with us, you're gonna see that happening a lot and we hope that you also participate
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Because we're gonna be doing it consistently That's what we have to do to end. This is do it from a Christian perspective in the biblical worldview
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So what's happening in Oklahoma right now? I'm gonna just sort of throw this out there So, you know what we're talking about today as a start
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We have a lot other things to talk about but this is a big one in Oklahoma right now Actually Marcus you can come on you can come on say hi
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And I'll give you a second mark I just so you know I just like I said Marcus and I just landed from Oklahoma and and so I have my food here
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Marcus I'm gonna let you jump in for a second and just give us some thoughts on Oklahoma Well, we met with Senator Joe Silk that's fantastic that guy's really solid dude, and he knows what he's doing and SB 13 is a really well -written bill that The pro -life organization should get behind for sure
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You're asking me that The the problem with the pro -life movement is
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Isaiah 31 it's an unholy. It's an unholy alliance That mixes sin upon sin.
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So it says in order to correct this sin we're gonna come together with another sin, which is ecumenicalism and cowardice and Fear I think a lot of fear and I think an example of this was if you read the pro -life organizations
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Articles like life news. I think it was where they wrote about SB 13 and around there's hundreds of people there
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They're all supporting this and then life news Mentions it in a paragraph and then the whole entire rest of the article two -thirds of the article is just complaining
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About like these sort of bills like what like one of the complaints was well if this goes to the
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Supreme Court We have to pay for the pro -choice's legal fees
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And it's just like are you serious? Like that's your concern with this is that it might lose and you have to pay for pro -choice's legal fees
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It's ridiculous. And so it's just all these things to the pro -life organization. I think I Think silks at it best with a pro -life organization.
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We have to dismantle the pro -life organization if we're ever gonna see All right, so that was
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Marcus Pittman he is working right now He was with me in Oklahoma working on babies are still murdered here.
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Babies are murdered here, too We got a lot done And we have a lot to share with you guys.
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So I will tell you guys right now very important thing happening, Oklahoma Listen this is something
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I'm very passionate about and I hope that you are passionate about passionate about it as well We talk as Christians all the time
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About the sin of abortion the need for forgiveness and salvation for those who have actually committed this in we talked about the devastating impact that abortion is having on our culture and we talked about The horrifying nature of abortion in terms of dismembering other image -bearers of God the slaughter of innocent children to the tune of about 3 ,000 children image -bearers of God every single day are murdered in our nation
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We talked about how horrifying it is for how disgusting it is and how we want it to be ended Well, let me tell you right now
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Here is the moment we've been waiting for if you've been praying for this if you've been talking about abortion with your friends at coffee
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Shops how evil it is talking with your family at holidays about abortion how evil it is if you've been at church with you in with Friends and Bible studies talking about abortion how evil it is if you've been sharing things across this your your social media
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About New York or whatever else it may be and you've been begging God for the moment where we can end abortion
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Let me tell you right now in Oklahoma. It is possible. It is happening right now
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Senator Joseph Silk is a believer in Jesus Christ. He Entered into this arena as a senator to end
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Abortion to criminalize it to do away with it He didn't care if he got reelected and he did get reelected.
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So praise God for that now He put in SB 1118 about two years ago. Do you know who killed
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SB 1118? Oh, everyone says well the Liberals right the Democrats they killed SB 1118
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How come they weren't letting it get heard well the Liberals and Democrats, right? Nope, you know killed
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SB 1118 the pro -life establishment Yep, the bill to end and criminalize abortion in Oklahoma was killed by Tony Lowinger National right to life the pro -life establishment they killed
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SB 1118 what we don't talk about God sovereignty Oh, she was quite all of a sudden talk about God's God sovereignty.
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No all the all this so Realistically And abortion now may not exist if it wasn't for Tony Lowinger being a bonehead
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Yeah, right because that's kind of what sparked us where we're like we got to do something else when we found that out
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So yeah, it was right then Well, that's what that's what we purchased It was it was during the interview interview that I did with Tony Lowinger that we purchased the domain name and abortion now
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We saw all of this resistance from the pro -life when we said no we have to take it to the next level now
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And so that is where end abortion now came from So thank God for these turbulent moments actually
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Brian my buddy Brian our buddy Brian. I had breakfast with him before I did some interviews
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Yesterday morning and he gave me this analogy and I love it. I want to share with you guys He said these moments like with New York and SB 1118 where you have this resistance or you have this horrifying thing like New York Celebrating killing children up to birth and all the rest
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He said it's it's very much like, you know flying on an airplane is that an airplane is an unnatural thing, right?
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You're flying in a tube at hundreds of miles per hour in the air is our friend You're tricking tricking the air, you know, you're flying sometimes over the ocean for 14 hours
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With nothing below you and if something goes wrong There ain't nowhere to land and you you get used to it
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You get in this tube and you just get up there and the first few times maybe a little, you know Nerve -wracking but you start to fly around and you're used to it, you know, it's just no big deal
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But in those moments where there is very serious turbulence that's
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Where you're reminded? Nothing about your circumstances has changed. You've been flying in the airplane the whole time.
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You just forgot how dangerous it was Yeah until those moments of turbulence and Brian's just brought up a good point
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He said what we're dealing with right now with New York and all these things is very much like turbulence on an airplane
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It hasn't changed our circumstances. It's been going on all along. That's a good point But all it did was remind you that this is a very serious situation
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You're in right now, and I think that's a powerful thing. And that's that's what we see So SB 1118 happened about two years ago,
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Tony Lowinger Was asked how should they vote this pro -life legislature?
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How should they vote in Oklahoma for SB 1118 and he he told not to vote on it She catch that the vice president of one of the world's largest pro -life organizations told a pro -life legislature
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Do not vote on this bill to criminalize abortion and to end it and why?
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Because it would do away with all the pro -life legislation that's in place and to that we say amen
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Amen Naturally, right because it would call abortion what it is It would define it properly and it would criminalize the act itself
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All you need is that and so very important to know that right now.
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I got back from, Oklahoma being with Senator Joseph Silk the
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Interview is up right now. Sorry about that guys. The interview is up right now at Apologia Studios Don't go watch it just yet But please watch it after this where I was with Senator Silk in his office.
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You need to know about SB 13 SB 13 Hashtag it SB 13 if you want to be a part of this with me then partner with me right now
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Not merely with your prayers Please do pray but partner with me with me right now by Listening to that video and doing what we share with you here
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SB 13 would criminalize abolish and Abortion in Oklahoma now, it would be over It would be a criminal act in Oklahoma and somebody says yeah, but wait a second
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What about Roe v. Wade and my answer to that is we need to what about it?
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We need to pull our kids out of public school. Yeah, because if you think that courts can make laws
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Then you probably have a public school education And in that in a funny to like the the state as it is today
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The overblown nature of the state today the overreach of the state today. What do you think that they'd be teaching our kids in public schools?
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Probably the things are in accordance with what they're doing The Supreme Court cannot make law if you look at our
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Constitution Congress makes law not the Supreme Court. And so the Supreme Court offered a terrible bootleg opinion in the 1970s it was wrong at its basis.
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It's easily disproved today. It was a terrible court opinion, by the way This needs to be heard because we talked about we need to get
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Republican judges on the Supreme Court We need to get conservatives on the Supreme Court. Who do you think gave us
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Roe v. Wade? Republican judges All right, so that when we start talking about we just need to get
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Republican judges and and and conservatives on the court That's who gave us
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Roe v. Wade And so you need to hear that and courts can't make laws Supreme Court does not create law so when someone says what about Roe v.
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Wade the state's have the power and Responsibility to interpose between these children and an out -of -control wrong court opinion the
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Supreme Court cannot make law and so the states have the rights to the right to actually create a barrier between a
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Murderous state and federal government and these children they do it all the time now just think for a second about Colorado, Colorado says
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Go pound sand to the federal government with its drug laws. So does
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Washington So does Arizona? So does California and do
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I need to keep going or how about the states that actually have defied federal law? when it comes to sanctuary cities sanctuary cities, you know federal law says a about Undocumented immigrants and The states have said well, we'll have we'll set up sanctuary cities so one of the thing
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Pastor John said before a City Council is that you as City Council have the obligation and the power to create a sanctuary city here for unborn children
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Create a sanctuary city the same way New York has done with undocumented immigrants the same way
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California has done in some cities with undocumented immigrants create a sanctuary city as Civil magistrates to protect these children ban and criminalize abortion in your city if someone says well, that's really courageous
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I would say that's what we need today is courageous men and women who are willing to stand up for these children
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SB 13 hashtag it SB 13 in Oklahoma is happening right now and I'm gonna tell you right now how you can help
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It doesn't matter if you're in, Oklahoma It does not matter if you are in,
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Oklahoma So, please hear me on this and please give me your commitment that you're gonna do this right now
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If you're on a laptop right now Keep this running in the background make another tab and start writing an email.
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You're gonna write an email to small e at ok Senate Dot gov.
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Yes small e at ok. Senate dot gov small e at ok Senate dot gov.
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That's where you want to send that email. You want to put in the description line? You want to put please here
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SB 13 immediately, please here SB 13 immediately Write a body to the document and sign your name to it
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You do not need to tell them where you're from. All we need is senator small e's email to get flooded with support
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Please hear this. Please hear this Do you know what's separating right now the ability to hear this bill on the floor with a a pro -life?
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Legislature and and not hearing it. It's public support There were hundreds of people just the other day in the state capitol
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Just crying out for justice and pleading and that listen, please listen to this and that got these other senators coming to Senator silk and saying is it gonna get heard?
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I'll vote on it When they saw the public support and the hundreds of people in the state capitol they said, okay all right, because you know why because these senators are only human and what they recognize is if there is
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Resistance to a bill and no public support. They can't get behind it But if they get the sense that the public is behind this they want it to take place
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They'll be courageous enough to vote for it We need to let them know that we will actually support their stands for righteousness
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So I'll say this again small e at ok Senate dot gov that's where you send that email and you want to make sure again you put there in a description here
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SB 13 Immediately write a body to it plead for the lives of the unborn and then put your name
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Do you do not need to tell them where you're from? we just need senator small e's email to fill up literally with a million a
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Million names now if we if we do this together right now and you share this with us we can do that We can get them to hear this on the floor and I want to say this, please hear this
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What we need is we need this bill to come to the floor that actually does what we all say we want and that's to End abortion to criminalize it once and for all and if it goes to the floor
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It's gonna force these people who profess to be pro -life to actually be consistent with their convictions because that's what this bill
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Does it ends abortion? It's not playing around the edges of abortion It's not legislating things on abortion in terms of like well wider hallways
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You need to have a nice clean waiting room for the women. Did you know that actually is what? Arizona pro -life the pro -life organizations in Arizona did yeah,
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I saw it today They actually were celebrating the fact that they actually had put in bills shame on you
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I'm gonna say this is a pastor shame on you for daring to celebrate taking
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Christians money taking Christians money as per as a pro -life movement and Actually having the gall to celebrate when you got
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Certain restrictions around abortion mills and telling your supporters who gave you their money that you had a victory
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You did not have a victory when you get a nine -page Document to get into effect that says things like well wide enough hallways and there needs to be like a place for the women to Change and there needs to be time between here so they can rest and relax
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The brothers and sisters that's not what it means to be pro -life, right?
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And that all that is done is it's created an industry called the pro -life industry Let me just say this to it once once and for all please hear me on this at a apology a church and abortion now is just a banner an idea under which we want to get churches across the country to start bringing the gospel into Conflict with abortion and we want to give everything away to you.
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We want to help you That's what we've done over 300 churches now have given you have received free resources and free training from apology a church we haven't asked for anything we just give it all away and it costs a
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Fortune to do it. Trust me. It really does but let me just say this to you right now We do not want to take another penny not one more penny in the area of abortion
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Because we want it to be ended Every bit of our effort is not to create an industry with apology a church where we are just perpetually
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Asking for donations to end abortion. We only need these donations in this giving now because we're seeking to end it
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I am begging God for the day when we never even ask for a single
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Cent again to fight abortion because it's done. It's criminalized. There is no industry happening here
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Do you know what's gonna be amazing is when when abortion is criminalized in Arizona and all over the country, you know
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It's gonna be amazing about that is this we can stop talking about it except to praise
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God We'll never ask for another we don't have any more funding drives There's never another penny raised for it.
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And guess what it'll do to us. Guess what it'll do to us financially. Guess what it'll do Nothing, you know
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Nothing, we won't have to sell buildings. We won't have to say we won't have to lay people off because we will have an entire mission
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Completed and then guess what? We're done. That's all there is to it. What keeps the pro -life industry in Position and running is
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Well, someone's gonna pay the mortgage on that building and Somebody's gonna pay all these employees and what are we gonna do if abortion is over now?
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How what is people gonna do about their jobs now? You see when this becomes listen when it's a ministry of Jesus Christ Church It's just one ministry among a number of ministries and when that ministry is
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Successful and it's over guess what? The church doesn't go away. The church is still happening.
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The church is still growing now. We redirect attention Okay, now we've conquered and brought abortion under the feet of Jesus and so now let's uh let's work over here in this area and then let's work on this cult and then work on this area because it's the ministry and Church of Jesus Christ.
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All right guys, so that's my my spiel for now I have more to say in terms of of Oklahoma, but I want you guys to feel free to jump in right?
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For clarification who is Senator Smalley and why is it matter? Senator Smalley is in control of what bills get heard on the floor so it's up to him right now to bring it to the floor and I've heard good things from Senator silk in terms of Smalley's not opposed but it's just a question of whether there's gonna be enough public support and there's fear because When you put a bill like this on the floor it is going to create controversy
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Necessarily. So so Senator Smalley is in control at the moment as to whether this is heard on the floor
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And that's all we need him to get as many emails as possible. Listen, please hear me on this guys with all my heart
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This is that moment It's here. It's arrived Everything we asked God for a man of God who believes in Jesus Christ who submitted to him
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Who's consistent who wants to end abortion to criminalize it to end it not play with it not
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Play around the edges of it, but to end it it's happening right now in Oklahoma Oh, I want to say this.
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Are we hypocrites? Are we actors? Are we pretenders? Do we just see evil things happening around us to our pre -born neighbors and just throw our fists up and clench them and then just Go about our business because this is that testing moment where it tests your
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The truth of what you say it tests your resolve are you really serious about it and listen,
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I want you to know this I am NOT trying to play with your emotions I'm being as straightforward as a minister of the gospel as I possibly can right now in Oklahoma.
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It's happening It's happening with a believer in Jesus Christ a saved man who knows the
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Lord who is trying to end the slaughter of children It's happening now if you've ever wanted to see it ended then
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I need you to partner with me right now and make sure that You send that email make sure it happens
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Stay with us over the next couple of weeks as we work and pray and ask God to once and for all end abortion listen if it falls in Oklahoma if it falls in Oklahoma if it's criminalized in Oklahoma of Justices brought here in Oklahoma, then you mark my words it will now spread like a brushfire across the country because then you'll have senators and and Congressmen and everyone else across the country that goes.
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Hey, it can be done Yeah, this is what we're asking for it can be done and then other states will get courageous enough to do the exact same thing
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Well, I mean the flip side we were talking about this is what you have a New York right now They get it right the pro the pro -choice side of things gets it there
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They're you know passing the bill because they understand they have states, right? So they're doing this full -term Abortion thing and then you saw immediately what happened within like two or three days you had like five other states
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Proposing the same bills and so it's it works That's how it works in it. You know, that's just the the negative way
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Yeah, but we it can be done from the pro -life side as well Well, they're not trying to repeal legislation about wider halls, right?
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They're just saying it's legal Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Well you saw I think we talked about this the the big win for the pro -life
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Senators here in Arizona last year Was they made it so that if you are having an abortion you have to say why you're having an abortion
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That was their bill. That was their big win. Yeah big win. Hey, and they were bragging. Yeah, I don't even like What does that even accomplish?
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Bragging I'm putting the email in here for you guys right now. Okay, and I think someone you're in Okay, it's just yeah,
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I mean and that was that was so shocking to us to see the pro -life movement in Arizona celebrating that fact that we
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Created legislation where you know, you have to you have to you have to announce something or whatever and it's interesting too
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Because this this is happening right now. I know that Abby, what's her name again? Abby Johnson.
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Abby Johnson is One who is in the pro -life industry who actually is was speaking today on the heartbeat bill
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On the heartbeat bill. Let me just say this to you brothers and sisters. We're just passing Yes, I know that I'm making enemies right now by saying what
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I'm saying But I need to be a faithful minister of the gospel be faithful to the truth and to be consistent So, please hear me on this.
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This is not me being arrogant. I assure you it's not arrogance It's a desire to honor God and to be consistent when
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Abby Johnson Who is a big major contender in the pro -life industry when she advocates for the heartbeat bill
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Please understand something. It's so easy for the abortion industry to get around that one
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I spoke to a woman today who is a nurse who actually does the ultrasound She said do you know how easy it is how easy it is to not find a heartbeat?
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she said all you have to do is just move the thing a little bit well and Like your your classic ultrasound doesn't even depending on how many weeks along you are is not gonna pick anything up, right?
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so Like they could just if you're six weeks along They could just put some jelly on your stomach and all they have to be like, oh, we can't find
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Do you know how hard you have to push with that? Yeah, all they have to do is just barely touch Now this is the you're gonna trust the abortion industry with this law.
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This is how they make their money, right? This is how they make their billions of dollars and you're gonna trust them with an ultrasound
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Device to say find a heartbeat. Do you think I may ask a question? You really think they're looking?
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Yeah, you think they're trying to find it. You think they're helping the pro -life movement. It's sheer
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Ignorance and stupidity to put a bill like this in to think that it actually is gonna accomplish
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Saving our pre -born neighbors. You're trusting the industry that is killing children with this
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All they have to do is not push very hard not look very hard All they have to do is just maneuvered a certain way where they go.
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No heartbeat. Let's get this on. Let's kill the child That's all they have to do. They're murdering children for a living like you
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Yeah, it's exactly trust. They're all of a sudden like you want them to have some some some a level of Morals and ethics, you know, yeah.
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Nope. Can't find heartbeat. I guess we're gonna some more money Yeah, obviously the idea is crazy if a woman sees her baby and hears the heartbeat that it's gonna change for her
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And I know that I'm certain that that saves lives every day. I'm certain but I'm also certain that many many women walk into a clinic knowing exactly what they're doing and they think of it as a
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Sacrifice for a better life so that their future children can have a better life so that they can have a better life and they have absolutely already they already know that heartbeat is happening and they've already decided that The the benefits outweigh the risks and that this is the right thing to do for my life and Every child should be wanted and I don't want this baby
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So if it has a heartbeat or not, I've already decided it's gonna die. Absolutely any of women
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Please do not buy the argument that that women don't know what they're doing. They absolutely know what they're doing
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Many of them proudly know what they're doing. Yeah, they yell back at us and we're out there ministering.
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They yell back at us I know it's a baby. I can kill my baby. That's right. This isn't the first one
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I've ever done I'll do and I'm gonna kill the next one. They yell back at us I couldn't get my baby up for adoption and they walk inside and they kill their child.
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They call it their baby Yeah, I could not give my baby up for adoption and they walk inside and they kill their child
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That's why this is an issue of the heart that's why it needs the gospel to come into conflict with it and we have to be more consistent and it's not as though we
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Are up against some very very difficult arguments Let me just give you an example of an exchange that took place outside of Planned Parenthood and Tempe Just to give you a couple examples of how easy it is for us to come into conflict with this argumentation
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It is not difficult What's that? Who being able to choose whoever man people should be able to do what they want their bodies
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So can I rape a woman? No, you shouldn't do that. So I can't do it I can't I can't do what
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I want with my own body. Can I you knew what you want with your body? You just can't do anything with anybody else's. So let me try this
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The person should be able to do what they want with their own body Yeah, we shouldn't be able to we shouldn't be allowed to just abuse other people's bodies.
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Absolutely Okay, so in the case of what's happening inside there right now, the woman's body is not dying
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It's another body biologically distinct inside of her that is being killed. I'm all for women doing what they want with their bodies
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I'm in agreement with you actually fundamentally that we shouldn't be able to harm other people's bodies, which is precisely what's happening in there
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I'm glad you joined us. So example number one And you're gonna hear that often
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And you guys feel free to jump in here is that women should be able to do what they want with their own Bodies and all you have to do is get underneath it, right?
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so I should be able to rape somebody's put a knife in somebody and then that gets them to it draws out the
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Implications then they go no because that's violating another person's body. Oh, I see
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So we should be able to do it on their own bodies those so long as it doesn't harm another body, right?
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Yes Great. Thank you. Thank you for that very pro -life argument because that's precisely what we're saying in abortion
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Is that no one's talking about restricting your freedom to you self govern?
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We're talking about the restriction on your freedom That's a moral restriction that you cannot injure and create a victim of another human being which is what you do in abortion
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Yeah, I mean, it's just an it's that That that logic applies as long as it's not the baby in the womb.
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Yeah, right Yeah, cuz cuz that then that baby doesn't get a choice, you know, of course No, they're good. This is what's inferior because you could you know that Everyone knows it's a baby.
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But when you bring up that argument then all of a sudden it's not a baby You know, it's not it's not an actual person yet. Mm -hmm.
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And it's so it's just you know, it's just all completely subjective well, I'm saying of course now the way they get around that is that Well, the baby might be a victim but so is the mom
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The mom is the martyr that has to make this tough decision to murder her baby, right?
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She didn't want to make any decisions when it came to how you make a baby that you can't well
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You can't take that away from her anyway, because then She wouldn't be equal to a man who can have as much sex as he wants without getting pregnant so in order for it to be equal a woman has to be able to be to have sexual freedom just like a man does because a man will never have to worry about Getting pregnant and so well, there's a don't assume gender
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Sorry And so that's how that redistribution takes place
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We have to redistribute power so that women feel equal and here's here's a news flash.
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It's biology Women can get pregnant for the most part. I'm not making any comments on fertility or anything like that.
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But to say like the I have to say how
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Stupid is it that you have to qualify all this? I'm sorry We live in such an ignorant time period you have to sit here and qualify all this
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But I'm just saying Shame on us as a culture where you have to be a wonderful woman in front of us right now that has to sit here
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And make all this qualifications about when it comes from this victim mentality. Yes the same victim mentality that says to a woman
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Well, because you were the oppressed group the female versus the male which was the group that had all the power
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You now get to get rid of the responsibility of being a mother and also here's how we're gonna give you power
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You get to murder, I'm sorry, that's not even a power that a man gets The giver and taker of life is
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God. So what you're saying to women is you're God now That's how we're gonna redistribute power and we're gonna we're gonna give women value
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No, because in the process of giving women value in that way, you are literally ending the life of women
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Your baby in there is a is a boy or a girl and so you're killing
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Mm -hmm. Yeah, I guess according to feminists. You're either killing the patriarchy or your cohort like yeah
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What the heck? Yeah, what kind of weird? I'm sorry, if you're a Christian you cannot buy into this you cannot at all
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It's so messed up and it's not it's totally based off of a secular humanistic social
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Marxist It is not it totally ignores the sovereignty of God it ignores
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Salvation it ignores image of God. It's not Christian anyway, you can't make it that sorry and Joy joy brings up one of the most important points that is
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Fundamental to all of this discussion in which is why you can't fight this battle consistently or effectively other than From the
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Christian worldview and it is this is this whole entire scenario that we're in right now with abortion and all these very
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Asinine and stupid arguments that are constantly propagated by by the left and those who are promoting killing children
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This is deeply theological. It's all theological. There is no way to make this neutral It's all theological because when you go into the
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Serena to fight people are gonna say well I say it's a blob of tissue and the
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Christian goes. No, that's the image of God And then you start pushing the person they go. Well you go. What about science though? It says biologically has its own distinct
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DNA from moment of conception all the biological components of human being Only thing is the difference of degree and then the person goes well
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Yeah, it is a human being but I think we should be able to kill the human beings So now we're getting into the question of morality ought we to be able to kill other human beings at will now
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You're getting into theology because what's the nature of a human being? Is there any value or dignity dignity human beings?
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Well from an atheistic perspective No more than horses snails dogs or rocks.
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I mean, what's the big deal? I mean, it's just another random result of evolutionary processes, right? Ah Theology matters now you're getting to the point where you truly can't fight this on the basis of science merely science
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Yes, you can use science and all biological science demonstrates what the Bible says about human beings in the womb
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But once you get past the point where you all agree that the science shows you conclusively
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That's a human being by nature at the moment of conception Then you get to the next step of the argument and that's the moral question
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Should we be able to kill human beings at will and now you're getting into the area of theology Because either it's a mass of tissue and it's just a random result of evolutionary processes
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It doesn't matter any more than rocks or it's the image of God and it deserves to be protected
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So that's why the pro -life industry is a failed Procedure in terms of moving through this to win anything.
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It's failed in its foundations. It's failed in its methodology It's failed in its end goals.
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So that's why we have to fight this as Christians another example of the very poor argumentation that we're up against I still just think it should be up to them.
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You shouldn't really so all moral decisions should just be up to anybody Yeah, so we should be able to molest children free will we should be able to molest children
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We should be able to molest children rape women. No, no, that's what you said. You still have to have morals morals aren't Where's this come from?
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It's just life man. It's just life bro. It's life. It's just life, bro Yeah, just morals are just life, bro
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Yeah, okay So the child molester in the in the cage right now that we've caged up Yeah, who kidnapped and dismembered a small little girl after raping her.
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Mm -hmm We Put him in jail. Do you think he should be there? Oh, absolutely But he lives by a different moral code than you right?
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He believes that what he did is a good moral happy thing It's not necessary got pleasure from it. Well, there's lots of people today that are pedophiles that enjoy it
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Why why don't you let them have their way free will bro a lot of the times? That's usually a psychological issue who says it's a psychological issue
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Scientists you talk it. No, you're talking about brain gas Biochemical responses happening in the brain neurons and neurons are firing so so you're talking about a condition that's happening in the brain of Evolved protoplasm and the decision led to certain activities and you're condemning the activity that came from the brain gas
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No, I'm saying that That right there can sometimes be affected like a disease and sometimes it's brain gas
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But it led to an activity. You're saying the activity is wrong Absolutely, what basis is the activity wrong?
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You shouldn't do anything. Are you an atheist somebody else? Ah Agnostic getting lost. Yeah. Okay, so coming from an agnostic worldview
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On what basis do you call anything wrong? anything wrong What do you mean by that?
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Yeah, you're an agnostic right so you don't know true, right? Yeah, okay. So someone who doesn't know is making all kinds of knowledge claims
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Mm -hmm Yeah, but I still Believe it morally just deep down the humankind.
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It's the right thing to do. Okay, do you believe that we have all to get here? Oh, absolutely. You believe that our ancestors are there were African apes our ancestors were fish.
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Uh -huh. So we're we're evolved fish Right, right and you're condemning certain human behaviors and activities in a universe
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It doesn't care about us when our ancestors were fish You're calling one you're calling one value that's risen up over evolutionary time wrong and one, right?
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Those are arbitrary. Yeah, but see sometimes just people don't Thank you science science is a methodology
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I Wanted to show and I actually haven't seen this for goodness forever
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But it's interesting how we were just having a discussion that this is deeply theological and it always comes down to theology
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And that's where the argument one is is just in that place. It comes down to theological presuppositions or anti -theological presuppositions, which he had and he's an agnostic a without gnosis knowledge
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I'm without knowledge. I Don't know and I said you're making all kinds of knowledge claims for somebody who doesn't know, you know
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And he said well deep down I know deep down how but well because We should treat other humans with respect and value and and not harm them who says you
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Stalin didn't believe that right Pol Pot Mao didn't believe that Hitler didn't believe that we certainly don't believe that with these little children
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He says humankind What's in the womb what's in the womb from the moment of conception a
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Human being therefore part of humankind It's there.
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Listen. This is not an area where Christians should shrink back or fall into retreat
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To any degree these arguments are ignorant they are wrong and they lead to the destruction of the unborn and so Stand up stand on the
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Word of God preach the gospel in the midst of this call people to repentance Tell the women who have had abortions that they can experience forgiveness and peace in Jesus Christ but don't do what the pro -life movement does with women in abortion and Say that they're victims too when you say that a woman who has an abortion is a victim
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You have now destroyed your ability to create the appropriate and necessary Grace of shame that would lead them to the cross if there are if they are a victim
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What are you calling them to turn to Jesus out of it for I mean
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Of course, we know that our whole life is a life of sin we're guilty in every possible way, but if you make contact here with the issue of abortion and you lie to a woman and Tell her that she's a victim and doesn't need to repent of it.
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Then she's an unrepentant murderer How does an unrepentant murderer come to Jesus for salvation if you're gonna try to convince that woman that she's not guilty of it she's not a murderer and she doesn't need
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Jesus forgiveness for it and That's what the pro -life movement does. I'll tell you locally we had a conversation with somebody who is one of the big names locally in the pro -life industry and she told us that she couldn't partner with us in this effort because we say abortion is murder and She said that I have too many sisters in Christ that have committed this in their past and I can't call it murder
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And I thought to myself That is so heartbreaking because now you have no message of hope for them
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Now you're leaving them You're leaving them with the hurt the brokenness and all the guilt that they of course
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Naturally feel and you're trying to soothe their conscience by saying you're not really guilty sister. You're not really guilty
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You don't need to repent of anything. You don't need to come to Jesus for that. You're not really guilty You're a victim like your baby. When else do we talk about that?
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Did we say that to Chris Watts? Do we say that to Chris Watts when he killed his wife and his two little girls murdered them in their bedroom and then took
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Their bodies in the middle of the night took him to an oil container and dumped their bodies into oil container
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When he murdered his pregnant wife and his two girls and dumped them into an oil container
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Did we tell Chris Watts that he was a victim? Well, he would have told you well, you understand
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I mean I met this new woman and we created this Relationship and I was in love with her more now than I was in love with my wife and and my wife and my baby
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And my two girls were getting in the way of what I wanted for myself to make myself truly happy Yeah, and so in reality
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I'm the victim here because my wife wasn't loving me like she should have and my girls were getting in the way
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I mean, so I mean Chris Watts can give his entire sob story But I think all of us would sit there for a minute and we go
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Yeah, you're a murderer you are guilty and you deserve to die for what you've done to your wife and your
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Unborn baby and your two little girls. You're a murderer. You're not a victim now How come when we put Chris Watts's arguments into the mouth of all these mothers does it now become?
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sensical Right, like they're getting this is good. This child's getting in the way of my future.
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I wasn't ready I was scared all these different things. We start saying. Oh, yeah, you're a victim
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You're a victim just like your baby. No women who have abortions need the grace of Shame that leads them to Jesus where there is total forgiveness
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God never bringing it up again and God taking every one of those sins and laying them on Jesus Christ And you will never hear about it from God.
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There is no condemnation, but the only way to that cross is on your knees It's broken and each and every one of us have to come to the cross broken and receive the grace of shame
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Over our sins the pro -life movement is lying to women. I Was to say that's just that's why abortion can only be ended with the gospel
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That's right, because ultimately, you know, you played that conversation. There's we have so many conversations where ultimately science doesn't matter
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That's not what's that's not the issue. It's a hard issue and the only way the abortions gonna be ended is with True heart change it can only come through the gospel and that's why
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I mean ultimately that's why the pro -life movement is failing because As we all know they don't they don't talk about the gospel
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You know a lot of it is Roman Catholics And so the gospel is not at the forefront of this and that's why we are where we are
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It has to start with the gospel. That's right So again, if you guys are just joining up with us, we have an opportunity now to help
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Brothers and sisters in Oklahoma and bring justice to Oklahoma and to help senator
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Joseph silk a brother in Christ Who is working to criminalize abortion right now in Oklahoma?
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It's Senate bill 13 SB 13 hashtag it let your friends know tell your entire church
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About SB 13 help me guys join with me in this right now
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He needs to know that you support this. He needs to hear from you. It cannot merely be prayer
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Please do pray soak it in prayer fast and pray all night prayer
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But don't do that without moving your fingers to your keyboard and writing an email. It's small e s m a l l e y at Okay Senate gov
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Small e at ok Senate gov in the description, right?
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Please hear SB 13 immediately here SB 13 immediately write a body
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Begging for justice for these children and then sign your name. You do not need to tell them where you're from All they need is for small e to receive
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Thousands and thousands of emails showing support so he knows we can do this So you can help senator
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Joseph silk right now who is a believer in Jesus Christ? You can help us as a ministry by immediately writing that email do it now and tell your family to do it
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Wives have your husband also do one have your children do them have your
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Bible study group tonight Do them have your church do them tell everybody, you know
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This is where I think we are tested in these moments to see do you really believe what you say that you believe?
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Do you really believe it? Are we just gonna complain about the slaughter of innocent children? Are we actually gonna rise up and do something
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Travis? Yes, small e s m a l l e y at Ok Senate gov small e at ok
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Senate gov do it now You can join with me right now by telling all your friends to do exactly the same thing
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Let's get a million emails to Senator small e's email and it starts it starts somewhere
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It starts grassroots and that means it has to have you involved as well and There you go.
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So is that you X trendy X? All right, there it is there's the there's the the logo comment for the show so we get that Believing everything that you see on the
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Internet just because we our entire show was about the Bible being your ultimate authority and Approaching things with the gospel and proper theology, right a little clerk critical thinking can tell you that Maybe that's not a pagan symbol.
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And if it was yeah, we would be against it, right? The whole thing was Jesus as King.
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He has final authority as I say that with all the grace in the world But I'm just encouraging a little bit of thinking right a little bit
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You may not get your question answered right away, but it's safe to assume. Yeah that that's not a Demon symbol, right?
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No. No, just because pagans have have copied Christians doesn't make what they copied all of a sudden pagan
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Yeah, the tricetera is an ancient symbol of the Trinity the distinction in persons and the same oneness of essence or substance of the
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Trinity It's a Christian symbol and so yeah, so hopefully that helps everybody and I would just say don't believe everything you read on them
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Internets, okay Just because the internet says it doesn't mean it's true So final word here and let's talk about meat fast.
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Yes meat fast So this is more of a fun thing right now This is where you guys can partner with us and and getting the gospel to a very important place
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I'll just say this quickly and then Luke. I'll let you step in here. I have to confess to something
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I know that Theologically speaking we all say that our warfare is not against flesh and blood
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But it's against the rulers principalities powers. It's a spiritual warfare. There are spiritual elements to this battle.
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There are demons There's a demonic attack demonic activity that happens now even particularly particularly for reform folks
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We'd like to try to avoid this conversation because we see its abuses, but I will tell you that being in Kauai for almost a month last month
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I had some experiences there in terms of the strongholds that are there the
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Demonic activity the cults all the rest had some experiences there that never had in my life And they are continuing for our team that is out there to this very day
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And and I'll just ask for the amen from pastor Luke about yeah, we deserve. Yes Very very disturbing stuff.
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You need to know that Kauai is a place with about 70 ,000 permanent residents It is a place where news travels fast.
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It is a place that is wide open for the gospel it is a place where the cults have
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Stepped in and taken control in many respects of the island Mormonism the
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Watchtower you have a glazing a Christo you have Buddhism you have all of the
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New Age Hui all the New Age nonsense being brought to the island by mainlanders filling the island up with all of the spiritism all of the occult so that the difficulty is this is
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There are Difficulties related to bringing the gospel to an island like Kauai Not only the difficulty of the cults in the occult
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But you also have the difficulty of Christians who have sinful assumptions that see
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Christians going to an island that desperately needs a gospel And they say things like oh You know wait wait a cloak of vacation and ministry sort of a thing
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You have people to make very very vile and prideful sinful comments Yeah, not understanding that that place is wide open for the gospel in desperate need of the gospel
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It is very very hard to be there very hard to live there. I would say I'll say this I Would have a hard time living in Kauai well most people don't
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Included don't know what it's like to live on an island right the culture is completely different It feels completely different like yes.
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Yeah, you're in the middle of the ocean. Yeah on a rock Yeah, that you can't yeah,
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I mean many and many people can't afford to leave Like there's through the roof.
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Yeah, there's through the roof suicide rates and drug abuse drug abuse huge on the island Yeah, drug abuse is massive on the island
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So apology a church is is very specifically fit uniquely fit to bring the gospel to the island in a very unique Comprehensive way with all the occult with all the cultic stuff with all the drug addiction on the islands
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We are uniquely fit to bring the gospel in a powerful way to that island So we planted a church on the island of Kauai about a year ago we are heavily invested right now in some some very powerful contact in the island with the
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Cults and with the occult. I will say I'll tell you this much and just because of time
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The activity there over the last month with our team has been something that shocked me
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Yeah, truly truly shocked me in terms of the obvious nature of the demonic attacks upon apology a church
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Because we're taking ground in Kauai with the gospel. And so we have a target on our backs as a church
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It's a very hard ministry But we are going and bringing the gospel into conflict with the cults and the occult and addiction in a unique way that isn't being
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Done on the island or hasn't been being done. So we need help. We need your partnership
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We need you to join with us. Please pray for us. If you want to be a part of this mission in some way Please contact us
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We need support, but we also need financial support because it's very very hard to do this mission on the island
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It takes a lot of labor not just on the feet evangelism, but it takes a lot to actually make this sort of thing happen
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So we have a very special thing that we're doing. It's called meat fest 2019. We did it before It's actually what made apology a radio possible years ago.
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The truth is is meat fest. We created this thing It's what actually made apology a radio a thing.
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It's how it happened. And here's what we do When you give a donation to apology a church for apology of Kauai Just $25 for every $25 donation you give we put you into a special pot where we are gonna bless
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Two very special people with a gift. We're gonna give you a gift We're gonna select at random through all these people that are partnering with us in this ministry
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And we want to just give stuff away and bless and so here's what we're gonna do We're gonna fly you out to Arizona. We are going to put you in a nice hotel
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We are going to give you a tour of the studio You're gonna meet everybody at apology or radio buddy everybody and then we're gonna take you
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You're gonna be on apology or radio and we're gonna take you to a place called Fogo de Chao and tell them all about it
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Okay, so we should tell them where they can go first So if you're listening, this is piquing your interest you can actually go.
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I don't know. Can you post a link in there? I should be you can't post a link if you're not the admin It's apology
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Kawaii .com backslash meat fest 2019 to where you go And for some reason
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Facebook's not allowing us to put this video on we made it's really awesome video You can see on the site there.
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But anyways So Fogo de Chao you go there. It's a Brazilian steakhouse. They literally literally bring meat around on swords
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It's the finest cuts of meat even joy. Can I test? It's it's fun to watch a meat on a sword.
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Yeah, it's like that's a whole this I Guarantee, you've never had meat sliced off a sword
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Yeah, and they'll come up and say how do you want it cooked and you'll be like, oh medium and they're like And so they have
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Discs one sides green one sides red. So if you want meat you flip it to green And if you want them to stop bringing you meat you better flip it to red or they're gonna keep bringing it and then you're gonna have this mound of meat that you're gonna feel bad if you don't eat and Coming to the point where you get sick and you go into a meat coma
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And I call it the meat sweats where you just very uncomfortable and it's not pleasant
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So you want to make sure you flip it to red if you're if you're good stay there on the red
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Yeah, and if you're vegetarian joy joys had enjoyed this enjoyed the salad bar salad bar and the giant wheel cheese
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Yeah, they have lots of good cheese The creme brulee is the best. Yes. Yes.
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Yes. Yes. Yes. They have all kinds of good little they do So that is come on sword.
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That's what that's right. It doesn't come on. That's right. It wouldn't work So that's what meat fest 2019 is this is a way for you guys to partner with us as a ministry you can you're gonna give towards a church plant that is very very necessary very very important and God is doing big things with and You give us the opportunity to bless two very special people.
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Perhaps it'll be you We're gonna again fly you out put you in a hotel Give you a tour of the studio put you an apology a radio with us
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You'll sit here with us and we're gonna take you to Fogo de Chão for the best restaurant experience of your life with the whole
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Team and that's coming very very soon. So you can do it right now today For every $25 donation you give it puts, you know, one of those in so we can you know, no limit no limit at all
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So we need your help. We need your partnership. We have a lot going on all of our minister
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Go to what is it again? Apology a kawaii? Calm slash meet fest 2019 there you go.
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You can give there and let everybody know and We'll update you guys as we're moving along with that.
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So that's all that's all for today, right? Yes Sound good. Anything else joy Maybe one more time given that email and then like explain what they're supposed to put in there
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Yes, so one more time for the email everybody just go to just write an email to small e s m a l l e y at Ok, Senate gov small e at ok
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Senate gov and when you do put in the description here s be 13
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Immediately and then write a body to it. Just a quick thing. Don't need to go crazy with it. Just say please protect the unborn
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Immediately hear this bill will support you write your name and send it immediately
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Tell your entire Bible study group to do the same your whole church Tell everybody, you know in your social network that this is going on Let's pray for Senator Joseph silk and the work that he's doing as a believer in Jesus Christ in the
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