Responding to Viewer Emails about communion, calvinism, and more!
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- One joke at a time Hey guys, it's Keith And today we're going to be responding to some viewer mail
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- If you go to keithfoskey .com There is a way to email us directly And if you do that Often times we try to respond to you as quickly as possible
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- I've started a new rule on my email It's something I learned from a friend It's called the three sentence rule
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- Which is I try to respond to emails In three sentences or less As a way to move through as many emails as I can
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- And not leave important emails to the side To be able to get through them as quickly as I can
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- So if you've gotten an email back from me It'll have a little disclaimer at the bottom It'll explain the three sentence rule And it's not that I'm trying to be rude
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- It's just trying to move through And answer as many emails as I can And often you can do it in three sentences or less
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- But there are some emails that come in And those emails are
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- Emails that I think would benefit a larger audience Not because their questions are any more important But the questions might deal with a subject
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- That more people might be concerned about Or more people might be interested in And so periodically what
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- I like to do Is just answer a few emails on the show And when I do that I try to reach back out to the person
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- And let them know that I'm going to do that In case they don't want me to So in the future if you do send an email
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- And you don't want me to address it on the show Please put that in the email That would be helpful And I don't give out any names when
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- I do this And sometimes I reword the emails If it's real specific I don't give out church names or anything like that So this is just to benefit as many people as possible
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- And try to answer genuine questions that people have And so today we're going to go through Three or four emails that I've received
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- Over the last few weeks Answer them as best as I can And maybe even inspire some more questions
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- So again if you have questions You can go to KeithFoskey .com You can send me emails there
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- And we'll try to get to you as best we can All right, so as I am pulling up the email here
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- Looking at each one We're going to start with one That I thought would benefit folks Simply just because of dealing with definitions
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- This says I was wondering what your thoughts were Concerning open versus close
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- Versus closed communion What does your congregation practice And why did you come to those conclusions?
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- I love that question I love the question How did you come to your conclusion? That's a terrific question It's a terrific way of getting
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- Really to the meat of something Especially when somebody's talking about a Bible verse And they're talking about how they
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- What they think about that verse A great question to ask is Well how did you come to your conclusion? So I want to give kudos to the person
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- Who sent that email in That is a very good question I want to read from the sbts .edu
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- So this is southernbaptisttheologicalseminary .edu On this subject of open versus closed communion
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- Because they give a good definition here Of what those terms mean And I'm not sure that everybody understands So let's walk through this real quick It says
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- Baptists have historically debated this question With three possible answers Open communion is the position
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- That all believers present When a local church observes the Lord's Supper May partake Alternately close communion
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- Without the D Close communion views Maintain that only those Who are saved, properly baptized
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- And in fellowship with a church Of like faith and order Meaning holding to the same basic doctrines
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- As the observing church May sit at the Lord's table Finally closed communion
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- With the D Is the most restrictive position Asserting that since communion Is connected to discipline
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- Only members of the local church May partake All right So this deals with Who is allowed to come to the table
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- Or who is going to be served communion In your church And in a church like ours Where we serve communion every week
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- This is a pretty important question Because it's not as if we have a particular Communion service that we do
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- Like on a Sunday evening And I know there are some churches That do it that way And they do it for the purpose Of trying to fence the table
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- And fencing the table Simply means to put a guard Around the table Because the Bible does tell us
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- In 1 Corinthians chapter 11 That this can be dangerous
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- That taking the table It says that some have gotten sick And even died from mistaking
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- Or taking the table In an unworthy manner I was going to say mistaking But I guess that's right
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- But you get what I'm saying By taking the supper In a way that is
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- It wasn't intended And so this leads to the question
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- Of what does our church do Because that's what the person asked Our church practices What I would say
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- Between the first two Between open and close communion We don't have closed communion
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- We don't limit it Only to members of our church Which typically is what Closed communion is I understand those who do
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- I appreciate what they're trying to do They're trying to put a fence Of protection around the table
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- But we allow believers From other churches To participate in the table with us
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- But we do have a word of fencing That we do at the table
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- That's what we call it When the deacons will come forward Right before we participate in communion
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- Four deacons will come forward This will be after I have preached the sermon After I have given The call to repentance and faith
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- And all of those things One of the deacons will say At this time we're going To participate in communion
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- And if you are a believer And you are coming from A like -minded church
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- Meaning a church that would Believe the gospel Now the definition from Southern Said that they would have A similar view of baptism
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- We would allow people Who weren't Baptists To share in the table with us As long as they understand the gospel
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- So a Presbyterian would be allowed To share the table with us So in that sense
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- This would be more of an open communion However, we do say this If you are not in good standing
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- With your own church If you are under discipline From your local church
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- Then we would ask you to abstain From coming to the table We would not allow someone
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- Who is under the discipline Of their church If it is unreconciled discipline For them to come to our table
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- So we are putting out a fence But that's where our fence is
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- It regards discipline But if a person is visiting us From another church Maybe they are in from out of town
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- Or some other reason That has brought them to us We would not forbid them To come to the table
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- We don't think that that is Something that is necessary For the sanctity of the table Or the sanctity of the meal
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- But there are those Who have differences of opinion That just happens to be where we are We believe that these people
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- Are Christians They are in good standing with God If they are in good standing With their church But we do also remind them
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- That the Bible says To examine yourself And so if there is some reason
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- Why they have determined It would be unwise for them To participate in the table
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- Then we would agree with that And ask them not to partake And certainly we would say If a person is not a believer
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- Then they are not welcome To come to the table either So that is our method
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- For fencing the table And I am sure there will be A lot of you who have Differences of opinion And this is a place
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- Where I do think Good godly people can disagree So if you have Differences of opinion You want to share them
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- In the comments I would encourage you to do so Alright so we are going to move on To our next question
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- This one deals with The subject of Being in a church
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- Where they are teaching things That you disagree with And particularly on the issue
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- Of Calvinism It says I would like to thank you For your recent podcast episode
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- Going over your experience When your church realized You were Calvinistic It was extremely informative And a blessing to me
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- And my family My question would be As a church member Should we worry about Causing division in our church
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- Over these biblical truths Or may it be best To leave quietly And not stir up trouble To make a long story short
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- We thought we were in a church That was non -reformed But have found out We are in an anti -reformed church
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- Sunday sermon a few weeks ago Compared Calvinists and reformed believers To the dogs and mutilators
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- Of Philippians 3 And need to be put Out of the church Your podcast was very timely for us
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- And helped answer some questions We had in our own home I hope you can share some wisdom with us
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- To help us with our decision Moving forward I also want to mention
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- I'm not going to read it But I did do a follow up email With this family To ask them If I could talk about this on air
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- They said yes But they also mentioned That they're in a situation Where they're not
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- They don't have a lot of churches To choose from So it's not as if They can just leave one And go to the other Based upon their second email
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- Which I'm not going to read All the way through But so this My response is going to be
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- Somewhat motivated By what they said In that regard But let me just start out
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- By answering the questions Sort of as they come First, I appreciate you being thankful For the podcast
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- I'm so grateful for everybody Who listens And the fact that this is Actually encouraging people Praise God From whom all blessings flow
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- I'm so thankful for everybody Who sends me a message For everybody who hits The like and subscribe
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- And all those little things That people don't think Really matters Those are very encouraging
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- And encourage me to keep Doing these things So thank you You said something here
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- I want to really mention How important this is You said As a church member Should we worry about Causing division in our church
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- Yes The Bible says That one of the things That God hates Is one who sows discord
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- Among the brothers And so it should never be Our desire to divide the church
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- And I want to mention Going back to my podcast Where I talked about Me being Calvinistic In the church
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- I had somebody make an accusation In a comment That I had done wrong in that Because I had not
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- That I basically Was a hidden Calvinist I was subverting And I didn't respond
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- To the comment Sometimes I don't Just because of time Sometimes I don't want to get Into a back and forth With somebody
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- With whom I disagree But it's important to understand The context I was in Is the church did not have
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- A particular statement of faith That it was holding It had left the old denomination That it used to be a part of And we were moving forward
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- As saying we want to believe What the Bible says And this is what I believe The Bible teaches And that's what I said When I stood up In front of the church
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- This is what I believe The Bible teaches Therefore if I'm preaching This is what I have to preach Because this is what I see The text preaching
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- And it's not as if I was going against The statement of faith Or against what the church Had formerly taught I was in a situation
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- Where I'd been in the church Since I was seven years old And had been called
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- To move the church In the direction of scripture And that's what I believed I was doing And nothing was hidden Nothing was subverted
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- Even though I wasn't using The language of Calvinism It wasn't because I was afraid of it It was because quite frankly
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- At that point I wasn't even sure That that's what I was going to call myself Or what I was So just going back to that show
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- For anybody who may Have thought about those questions But coming back to this I desperately did not want
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- To divide our church And that's what The conversation I had With Tom Askell I said I don't want
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- To divide the church Because I know that God In his word tells us
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- That we shouldn't seek To sow discord Among the brothers So right away I would say yes If you're asking
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- Should you be concerned about that Even over biblical truth You have to be careful Because these are
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- God's people And even if this church Is wrong on some issues I would not assume
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- This is a synagogue of Satan And so I would be careful But going on to your story
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- I do want to follow up Because you said that You thought the church Was non -reformed
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- But didn't realize They were anti -reformed And now they are basically saying That the position that you hold
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- Is a position which is Worthy to have you Put out of the church
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- At least if I read The email correctly It said that reformed believers Were compared to dogs, mutilators
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- And need to be put Out of the church If that was stated from the pulpit That would be really A struggle for me Now it would not make me want
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- To necessarily stand up And fight a battle Again I'm not looking To divide a church
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- But I would have a hard time Continuing in a place Where what I believe about God And about the scripture
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- Was being called heresy
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- Because that's essentially The simplified version of that As they've said That what you're teaching is
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- Or what you believe Is worthy of excommunication And the only thing
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- That's worthy of excommunication Regarding doctrine Is that which is heretical
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- I believe the issues of Calvinism Specifically, soteriologically
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- Regarding predestination And election Those things I believe those things Can be differed between brothers Who are brothers in the faith
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- This is one of the areas That I've been pretty honest about In my ministries I've said, hey I think you can disagree on this
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- And still be brothers in Christ And that's why I have conversations with people Who have various different views And still call them
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- Brothers in Christ I just had a brother on Last week I think it was Big John From the
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- Church of God He didn't agree with me On Calvinism But I think he's my brother in Christ And I'm going to treat him like that So it would be hard for me
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- To maintain the commitment To a church That was calling My understanding of God Heresy But what do you do?
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- I don't think you seek To divide the church I think possibly a conversation With your pastor If you are a member of the church
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- Specifically, if you are A member of the church Having a conversation With your pastor would be good And be honest with him
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- And at that point That may tell you more About what you really want to know
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- Because, you know, sometimes In the pulpit Men can be fiery And verbose
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- And say things that When you have them In a private conversation They may say
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- Well, I didn't really mean That you should be excommunicated I didn't really mean You were a dog Perhaps he would say that And at that point
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- Maybe you could call into question A little bit of integrity there But at least if he knows
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- And you have that conversation And he says Well, I think you're a heretic Or whatever At that point
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- You'll know whether or not It's continuing to be The best place to take you And your family
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- And it may not be I don't have a good answer For where you can go If there are no other good churches
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- In the area And, again, it's so hard Because, you know,
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- I'm in a situation In Jacksonville Where, you know, I know Several good brothers And good churches
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- That are in our area And, I mean, there's basically One or two on every side of town
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- Because we have And there's churches All over Jacksonville I'm talking about Solid, reformed churches
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- That I would be able to If somebody Because it takes an hour To get from one side of Jacksonville To another It's a big landmass area
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- It's not a big city But it's a big area And so sometimes People visit our church And I'm like Hey, man
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- This is kind of far for you There's a good church On the other side of town That's like right near you And like Pastor Kenny Roberts From Mission Way Church He's been on the show before And he's a great pastor
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- He's on the other side of town He's somebody I would certainly point people to In fact, he's going to have me Preach for him in July I think it is
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- He's taking a time off So I'm going to be preaching At his church And looking forward to it
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- So again, it's hard for me To give you a great answer As to what you need to do
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- But the first thing I would say Is have a conversation With your pastor Have a candid conversation Be honest about your understanding
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- Be willing to listen to him You know, you stick your guns On what you believe is true
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- And ask him if Ask him if he really thinks That what you believe about God Is worthy of having you
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- Put out of the church And if the answer is yes Then that may be an indicator That it's time to begin At least trying to search
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- For something that may work Better for you And here's something To think about I heard this years ago
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- And I think it's true A good church is worth the drive
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- So if there is a church That may be a little further But you have to make the drive A good church is worth the drive
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- That's number one Number two is A good church can also be worth relocating
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- And I don't know how realistic That is for you But I have been very encouraged To see people who were in areas
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- That didn't have solid churches And they were willing to move You'd move for a job
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- Most people would But they were willing to move Because they wanted to be
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- A part of a church That they knew was encouraging And pointing them toward What they believe the
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- Bible taught So I don't say that often But I have seen it And have been encouraged by it
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- So that's number two Hope it was helpful And may God bless you As you go through this
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- It's going to be a difficult time I'm sure Number three This one is very interesting
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- Because this one deals with The qualifications of a pastor And specifically A pastor's
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- How a pastor's family Is responding to his ministry
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- It says, I came up with a Excuse me, let's start over I can read, I promise I have a question for you
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- That came up with a pastor A pastor in our Non -denominational congregation He's currently finishing up His MDiv And has been in preaching rotation
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- In our church for the last few years And he's likely going to be Taking the full -time pastorate In the next few years
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- Okay, so he's moving Through the process We had a dinner With the congregation
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- And he mentioned that his parents Especially his mother Aren't enthusiastic About his call to the pastorate
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- And he and his own wife And kids are Let alone the congregation Who is glad that he's Taking the steps
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- To entering the pastorate And For some context His mother was not in the room
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- Lives hundreds of miles away And is currently Not involved in that church at all
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- So he She said his statement Confused me a little Because he seems
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- Or the person writing this said His statement confused me a little Because he seems to be Really enjoying preaching And offering what roles he can
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- As an elder in the church While waiting to become A pastor on his own And here's the question
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- What advice would you have For pastors in such a situation As this Where there May be some tensions
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- Between a pastor Who feels called to the pastorate And his parents Who may have their own opinions About his choice
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- In accepting his pastoral call And for the congregation Who would be On the receiving end Of his pastorship
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- All right Right away This is a Very interesting situation
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- Because If the man's parents
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- Don't recognize his call Or don't support His call to ministry
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- I would want to know why But if the reason is That perhaps His parents
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- In this case his mother If she's not a believer That would be one
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- Right away That I would want to know Is this person Not a believer Because If the person's not a believer
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- They're probably not going to support Any ministerial efforts Would rather they do something else
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- But there's also another reason Why parents may not support A man's call to ministry
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- And that is out of fear And I think about the story
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- Of Martin Luther a little bit In this It's not the same at all But you know Martin Luther's father
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- Had sent him to law school Because he wanted him To be a lawyer And when Luther chose instead
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- To be a monk And you know there's a whole story That goes with that There was a lot of consternation In the heart of his father
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- Because monks tend to be Relatively poor And All of the things that All the hopes and dreams
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- That he'd had for his son Are now Kind of out the window And so I think about this situation
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- With this young man Who's entering into the ministry One of the things that Is difficult about ministry
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- Is it's a hard life Ministry is a hard life It's hard on your family
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- It's hard on your heart I remember Spurgeon Talking about how
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- You know the position That men sit in When they study Is sort of a You know tend to be
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- Crumped over the book And pen in hand You know and this is before Computers and things like that Bad lighting and all
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- And he said these things Tend toward the Tend toward the
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- The discontent of the body I'm not saying it exactly As nicely as Spurgeon did But basically
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- It's a hard life All of it Just studying for a living Is hard And you know
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- That's why you have to As a pastor You have to make yourself exercise Get out in the sunlight Do things
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- Because you know If you sit in your office All day with your knees Under your desk That's tough And Spurgeon recognized that And I think
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- Mothers and fathers want The best for their children And they don't want their children
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- Necessarily to have hard lives And so I do think Trying to think the very best
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- Of this woman Because I don't know her at all It could be that She's just concerned That her husband's Going to live a life
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- Or excuse me That her son is going to live A life that's difficult That her son's going to live A life that's poor
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- You know ministers Don't tend to make A lot of money I remember R .C. Sproul In an early conference
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- I went to Where he said That you know As far as ministerial
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- Churches expect ministers To you know have degrees And have gone to school And have you know All this training And then the pay
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- That is usually not commensurate To that level of education Whereas in secular work It would be much more
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- If a person went And got a master's degree And doctorate degrees And all these things Tends to be The payment for that In the secular world
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- Tends to be much better And so Sproul was just saying You know understand men It was a room full of pastors
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- He says you're entering into a As it were a vocation
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- That doesn't have A lot of worldly benefit But you know We're doing this for God Not for Our paychecks per se
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- And so you know That's always been helpful to me Just kind of keeping in mind
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- That you know I went and did the degree I went and did all those things Because I knew I wanted to do a good job for God And but I'm just like I said
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- Trying to think of this mom The only thing that would give me Any pause about this man Would be if the mother
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- Knew something about his life That was being hidden And I don't think that's the case Based on the way
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- That this email is worded I don't think it's The mother is concerned About him being a minister Because he doesn't quite
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- Fit the qualifications And as you said His wife His children And the church Recognize him
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- To be a godly man And meeting the qualifications Of 1st Timothy 3 And Titus So I don't think
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- That's the issue I think mom's just concerned About her son And either it's from An unbelieving perspective
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- Or even as a believer We can still struggle With anxieties And maybe she just has anxieties
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- About her son's vocation And doesn't make it right But it does maybe give
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- A context of understanding That can help us to understand Where mom's coming from And if you're a young man If you're a pastor
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- And you're listening to this And you've struggled Maybe with not having All the support That you thought
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- You should get From your parents Maybe think of that As one of the potential reasons
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- As to why Maybe they were just Concerned for you Maybe it was Really was out of love Even if it's
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- Even if it's not Being expressed In the best way You know We try to think The best of people
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- Unless they Unless they force us To believe otherwise So I hope that was
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- A helpful answer To that question All right Let's go to our final question
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- And this one I reworded it some It was a little long But it was also
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- A little personal Because this one is about A man who sent this to me
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- Who is waffling Some in his In his theology
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- And when I say waffle That maybe is a negative term So let me back up He's struggling With a back and forth
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- In his theology He uses the word poser So I'll let him I will use that word He's worried about being a poser
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- And worried about waffling So I want to read Like I said I reworded the email here
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- A little bit Actually I'll tell you What I did I took it into chat GPT And I said reword this
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- A little bit It's a little too personal Simplify it some So yes Every once in a while I will use chat
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- GPT To simplify things So And I've done shows About it before It can be a tool
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- But I don't write My sermons with it Just so you know Okay So it says this
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- When I first discovered Reformed theology I embraced it fully And even saw Armenians And others as heretics
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- Over time Listening to Mike Winger Dr. Michael Brown And Leighton Flowers Changed my perspective
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- I realized they loved The Lord and the Bible And their views made sense For the past 5 to 7 years
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- I felt confused And conflicted Now I'm considering Returning to Reformed theology
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- Because I appreciate Its structure, clarity And its roots In traditional Historical Conservative Protestant theology
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- Are these good enough reasons To choose Reformed theology And if I do How do I overcome
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- The feeling Like a wishy -washy poser For identifying As Calvinistic Or Reformed again
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- One thing I guess it missed There is a part where he says That he had Well I guess
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- In the original That I changed it from Said he sort of had stopped Calling himself Reformed So he was
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- He was First he was Reformed Embraced it completely Saw Armenians as heretics
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- Then he began to listen To some people Who were not Reformed Mike Winger Who I really like Really appreciate
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- What he's doing right now With Benny Hinn He is nailing it I did a One of my very first videos
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- Back in like 2008 I did a Benny Hinn video Hit 250 ,000 views It was huge at the time
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- Because YouTube was new Back then And Maybe I should repost that video
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- If you'd ever like to see That video I could find it And repost it It's a little weird Because I But it's old
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- It would be old Keith So if you're interested Let me know But Got off topic there
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- But Mike Winger's great And obviously you guys know How I feel about Leighton Leighton's been on the show A few times We have a good relationship
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- And Dr. Michael Brown I think Is a Is good in many areas Even though Really felt like the
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- American Gospel thing With him and Justin Peters And Jim Osmond And Sam Storms Didn't really think
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- He did well with that But I will say this though His defense of penal substitution In his debate with Ryan Zahn I just listened to that again
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- Yesterday Because I'm Preaching on penal substitution This week Michael Brown did a great job
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- Of defending penal substitution And That's something we should Be able to defend
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- So Having said all that Kind of went off on a tangent there Let me get back to The email
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- So the question is You were You felt like you were Reformed Then you were not And now you feel like You want to be again
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- And You said you're considering Returning Because you appreciate Structure, clarity, and roots In the historical conservative
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- Protestant theology All right So I have a lot of thoughts On this
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- And I want to make them brief And I don't want to opine For too long But first of all What it seems to me
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- Is that You have had Some major Back and forth
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- And You mentioned these men Who have online ministries
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- Ministries like mine I have an online ministry And I think they're valuable And I think they can be very useful
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- But where they do Create a problem And I would say this to anybody
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- Even people who listen to my show Where this can create a problem Is on the issue of Receiving Multiple voices
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- In your discipleship You know You're not necessarily A new believer
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- If you've been a believer for You know Over seven years apparently Because you said This is all within Five to seven years
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- That you've been feeling Confused and conflicted But I would ask you The question of Who is discipling you?
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- Who in your life Not the online guys Not me And not Michael Brown And not
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- Mike Winger But who in your life Has invested in you personally?
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- And That would begin with the question Are you in a local church? Are you in a place
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- Where there are men around you Who are willing to invest in you? A pastor
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- Deacons Elders Just other godly men Who are willing to invest in you
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- And if you don't have that That would be my first Encouragement to you
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- Would be to find a church Where there are people Who are willing to invest In your spiritual growth
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- Because before Before I would say That you should worry about Whether you're reformed
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- Or not reformed Or any of those things And because, again Traditional, historical,
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- Conservative, Protestant theology I obviously believe that I believe reformed theology Well, I believe
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- Reformed Baptist theology Don't shoot me R. Scott Clark I believe What I believe and teach
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- Which is Consistent with Baptist theology
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- Particularly Calvinistic Baptist theology Is historical Is conservative Is Protestant I believe those things
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- I believe they're good things And I believe they're Wholesome and righteous So, you know
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- If I were being somewhat Selfish, I would say Yes, go after those things
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- Because that's what I believe But Instead, what I want to say to you
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- Is Having someone in your life Who loves you and will disciple you
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- Even if they were to disagree with me On a few of those things And how we formulate those things How we understand those things Would be so much more valuable to you
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- So, if you are not currently In a local church Where that's happening Please go to your pastor
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- Please tell him that You're yearning to be taught And to be instructed Don't feel like you
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- Know more than other people Therefore, you don't need To be discipled That is
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- And I'm not saying That's you, buddy Because, again I don't know you personally But I know that's a danger That some people fall into Is they say
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- Well, I've heard I've listened to every video Mike Winger's ever done Even when we did 36 Hours on Women Pastors I've listened to every
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- James White thing That he's ever done And therefore, I don't need Personal interaction
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- And discipleship You do We all do We need to be able to have somebody That we can work through These things with That we can struggle
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- Through these things with I'm so thankful I have one of my fellow elders I spend two or three hours a week
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- On the phone with him He drives a lot for work And so He'll just call me and say
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- Hey, I'm on drive You got time to talk? And we talk Sometimes we'll talk For an hour and a half And normally
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- It's theological Because I'm growing, too I'm still learning And I'm asking him
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- What he thinks about certain things He's asking me What I think about certain things We're going back and forth And it's one of the most
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- Blessed relationships that I have And both of my elders I can call them at any time I know that Both that I serve with It just happens to be
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- This one man Likes to talk on the phone And so First and foremost
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- That And if you're not in a local church I mean, obviously I would point you To a solid Reformed Baptist church
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- If there's one in your area I would point you there But I would say this I had an interesting interaction
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- With somebody recently Who said They went to a Reformed Baptist church And Immediately It was
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- They I guess they had lunch or something With the pastor And immediately It was It was What I Almost Hyper Focused On all of the
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- Reformed stuff It's important It's good stuff It should be
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- Talked about It should be discussed But Something else
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- When you're at a church And you're meeting a church Is listen to the sermons Are they Following The text of scripture
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- Are they preaching Through the scripture Are they preaching The truths of the scripture Or are they
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- Basically Topical Calvinism Which is A term I just invented
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- Topical Calvinism is Every message That's preached No matter where they are In the text They're gonna find some way
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- To go back And prove Calvinism From that text That That's Unbalanced And so If you can find
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- A really good Solid church That's balanced That loves you And Will invest in you
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- That's my recommendation First and foremost And I wanna Last question
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- When you said Are these good enough reasons To choose Reformed theology The only good reason To choose
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- Reformed theology Is if you believe That it's biblical I do I've heard the arguments
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- For both sides I've read So many
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- Books I've I've listened To so many people Preach I have discussed With some of the
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- Smartest people in the world On this subject And that's not to Elevate myself at all It's just by God's grace I've had the opportunity
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- To sit and talk with people That are That are On the front lines Of these issues And I am convinced
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- That Calvinism Calvinistic soteriology Is biblical I'm convinced That reformed theology
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- Is biblical But I'm convinced That it's biblical And that's what's Most important Not that it's Historic Or conservative
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- Or protestant Or that it has Great confessions And all those things Which it does But what's most important Is that this is
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- What the Bible teaches And if you are Convinced that this Is what the Bible teaches
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- That would be the reason To embrace it And if you're still not Convinced that that's
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- What the Bible teaches That doesn't mean That you can't Have a good Solid Relationship With the
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- Lord It just means You're still You're still You're still learning And that's why I go back to the Subject of discipleship
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- Please Seek to be Discipled By someone Who has Who has
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- Gone before you I kind of look At discipleship Kind of like a mountain Right And Um We all start
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- Our discipleship journey By Uh When we When we're regenerated
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- Right We begin the journey Of sanctification We begin this Learning process And we all start Going up the mountain And When you get to A certain point
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- On the mountain You look down And you say Hey there's some people Who are just starting And I'm a little higher I've learned a little bit more
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- I've gone a little further Does it make you more saved Does it make you more Uh A different quality
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- Of Christian But it does mean Okay I've learned A little bit So the people That are below me Now there may be
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- Some of them That I could Share some of What I've learned with And I can disciple them
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- And But then I look up And I say Oh okay There's some guys Who've been doing this A lot longer There's some guys
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- Who've really wrestled With these things A lot longer Than I have And those guys Have something to teach me
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- Those guys can speak Into my life And be valuable to me And so Uh You know
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- I How does How does it go There's an old saying Everybody needs
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- A Um Everybody needs A Timothy Everybody needs
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- A Barnabas And everybody needs A Paul I think is the way Maybe that's not it
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- But If I'm getting this terribly wrong Please correct me Somebody in the comments But basically it means Everybody needs someone
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- That they're trying to disciple That they're trying to bring along And everybody needs somebody That's basically on their same level
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- You know Sort of the You know Right there The Barnabas The person that's That's ministering Alongside of you
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- And this is sort of like My elder and me We're always We're challenging each other And And we You know We see each other
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- As very much as As peers and friends And best of friends And we love each other And so we We can talk about things
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- That are difficult with each other And we're both struggling through But then we also look up And we say Okay Who's Who's our
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- Paul Who's the guy teaching us Right Who is this Who's this person That That's still in my life
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- Who do I go to When I have these questions And And Who do
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- I Seek to be discipled by So discipleship
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- Is the answer my brother And More important than Identifying as a
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- Calvinist or not Is Being assured in your heart Where you are on these things
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- Before you worry about any labels I hope that's helpful for you I hope it's encouraging to you And I hope everybody
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- Was encouraged by this Hope that all of this Was helpful to you And If you want to send me an email
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- It might not necessarily Make it into a video But I'll at least Try to send you back Three sentences To respond
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- With With my new Email structure That I'm That I'm working through At least let you know
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- That I got your email And that I appreciate it So thank you for All For sending in these emails Hope these responses were good
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