Powerful! Pastor Confronts Colorado Lawmakers With Truth

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Madam Chair and members, I want to thank you for the opportunity to testify on behalf of the Bill of Equal Protection for all human beings in your state.

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I want to thank you all for staying up so late. You guys are out of your minds. My name is

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Reverend Jeff Durbin. I'm the pastor of Apologia Church and the head of End Abortion Now. We've raised up about 900 local churches across the country that go to abortion mills to preach the gospel, to offer help and hope and love to mothers and fathers going in, and to even adopt the children if they'll let us, and we've saved thousands upon thousands upon thousands of children from death, and you can prevent that here.

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I'm speaking on behalf of over 60 million pre -born human beings murdered since the tyranny of Roe and the thousands killed daily, upwards of 3 ,000 killed per day in this nation.

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It's an incontrovertible and irrefutable biological and biblical fact that all human beings, all life begins at conception.

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It's one of the things that's incontrovertible and hasn't been able to be disputed by the members this evening is that the word of God isn't the only standard that says it's the image of God and worthy of our value and love and protection, but science is on our side.

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We know it's a fact irrefutable, and the heads of Planned Parenthood and other organizations admit, yeah, it's fully human at conception, but we still have the right to kill children in the womb.

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That is something that's incontrovertible and needs to be contended with. It's a moral question, not a biological one.

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What's in the womb is fully human from conception. The only difference is the difference of degree, size, level of development, environment, and degree of dependence.

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We don't kill other human beings because they're small. My wife would be in huge trouble if that were the case.

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We don't kill other human beings because of their level of development. I have a toddler who's two years old that I adopted who was going to be killed because he had spina bifida as a diagnosis.

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His mother had two abortion appointments. His name is Augustine. He is two right now.

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He's not fully developed, and he is fully dependent on us, as I'm sure some of you guys know who have children running around.

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We don't kill other human beings because of simply where they're located. What is in the womb is fully human, and what's being killed in our nation is about 3 ,000 per day.

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I have so much written here, but I thought I'm going to change the direction just quickly, refute the arguments against the bill because they're poor arguments and fallacious, and I want to humbly encourage you to think about them.

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This issue is first and foremost an issue of sin. It's an issue of morality. It is also a crime, yes, but it is a sin, and there is hope and forgiveness and peace only in Christ, but sin will not only corrupt us morally, but it corrupts even our reasoning processes.

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I want to show you some of that now. One of the things you keep hearing is bodily autonomy arguments. Let me please just ask you humbly, please,

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I know it's late, to listen to this one thing because every time you hear it, it's self -refuting. All arguments from humans that we have bodily autonomy are pro -life arguments because what's in the womb is human.

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If your argument is humans have bodily autonomy, then the humans in the womb have bodily autonomy.

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Every time you hear it, it's self -refuting, every single time. Mr. Durbin, your time is up.

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If you could just wrap it up real quick. Yeah, I'll finish with these last thoughts. The issue of slavery in the

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Holocaust, they were called beasts and parasites. I'm glad that's behind us now, but this issue here of the

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Supreme Court, I'll just say quickly, Supreme Court, the decision of Roe versus Wade is not law.

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Congress legislates in our nation. Congress creates law, not the Supreme Court. When I wrapped it up, I meant like one sentence.

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Yeah, and Dred Scott and your marijuana laws show that states resist the federal government. You do it every day in Colorado.

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You resist the federal government for marijuana, but you won't do it for children. That's a sin. It's a crime.

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I call you to turn to Christ and do what's right and establish justice. Okay. Representative Mollica, you have a question?

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Yes. Thank you, Madam Chair. I have several questions, and I think that there's a lot,

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I mean, that was a lot of testimony. That was just a lot of testimony.

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So my first question, and I mean, I probably know the answer, but I still want to ask it is do any of you, can you relate or know what it's like to carry a child or carry a child that may not be able to come to term, may not, you know, we heard testimony earlier tonight about carrying a child that their organs weren't fully developing.

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Do any of you know what that's like to carry a child or have to deal with that? And Mr.

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Durbin, thank you. I'm sorry. We're supposed to recognize speakers. I'm so sorry,

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Madam Chair. I apologize. That's the whole point because we do have people listening online. They just want to know who's talking.

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Please go ahead and ask. Thank you, Madam Chair. Well, I thank you for the question, sir. The obvious question to whether I know what it's like to carry a child is no,

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I'm biologically a male and I can't create life. However, I have five children and my wife carried them all.

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And I know when we talk about the emotional impact of a child who is in the womb, who has some sort of genetic abnormality, that is a heavily emotional situation because of the value and dignity of human life.

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We recognize it with both the mother and the child. It's an impactful thing to consider.

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For example, my son was in the womb with the worst stage of spina bifida. And his mother had two appointments to take him to kill him.

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And his name is Augustine. He's two years old and he's the greatest gift of my entire life. All of life is precious.

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We live in a fallen world. There is sickness, disease, and decay. These are things that hurt all of us. You feel the weight of it, sir, and so do

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I. But what we don't do is then say, well, these are painful circumstances, so now let's allow people to kill their children.

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I want to just point out one fact. Less than two percent of all abortions, almost 3 ,000 a day, less than two percent are because of rape, incest, life of the mother.

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The other 98 percent are at will because of convenience. And so when you're talking about a situation like genetic abnormality, like my son was diagnosed with, you're talking about a heavily emotional issue that doesn't allow us to then say, okay, let's kill all the babies at will.

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Go ahead, sir. Can I speak to that, Madam Chair? Sure. Just briefly. And Mr. Eberoth.

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Eberoth. Yeah. It's okay. It's a hard name to pronounce. It's easy to forget. Fine. I'd also speak to that.

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When you asked about carrying a child, so again, I'm a biological male. I cannot. That's impossible for me.

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understand. But I have a sister who's Down syndrome, okay? And so during the stages of development, when they had discovered early on that my sister was going to be born with Down syndrome, that would have also fallen under the current laws given now under the category of she would have been developmentally, had developmental issues that would have been allowed for an abortion even early on in the early phases of the legislation here in Colorado.

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It would have been legal for her to be killed in the womb. And it was highly encouraged because for a number of reasons.

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One, to my parents, they said things like, it's going to be difficult for her. She's going to have a hard life just having

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Down syndrome. But then they also later discovered that she had two holes in her heart. And so as things progressed, they said, well, there's a high possibility that she may not even make it to full term.

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Then they got to the place where they said she might not even make it to delivery, right? Through delivery, because it's very stressful on the little one as they get delivered.

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And again, may I stress here, she was born with two holes in her heart, literally pumping, bleeding to death as she's being delivered.

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With that said, she immediately was rushed into open heart surgery. And may I add, my parents decided not to take her life and to keep her.

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She was immediately rushed into open heart surgery. And they said, well, there's a high probability she's going to die at a very early age, which was part of the motivational factor to abort her.

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And may I say this today, my sister is 35 years old, has lived a wonderful life as an advocate for Down syndrome children.

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And she has spoken multiple times in California at their capital in Sacramento on behalf of special needs children.

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So I would say we need to be very careful in distinguishing, yes, they might be born without organs, but it's really not in terms of intrinsic value isn't based on what kind of organs or they don't have, right, the lack thereof or the quality of life they might experience or even the quality of life of the parent.

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We need to do what's in the best interest of the child and do our best to preserve life at all costs. Representative Mullica, and then we do have other questions from other members.

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Yeah, just thank you, Madam Chair. I think something I'm interested in too, and it was referenced, you know, and I don't know where those statistics came from, but I'd be curious to know your thoughts on abortion in the case of rape incest or the health of the mother, that if you agree with that or if you disagree with that.

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Good question. Madam Chair? Go ahead. Mr. Durbin.

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Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Representative, for that question. I think it's an important one. The statistic of less than 2 % for rape incest, life of the mother is a commonly known statistic in the industry itself, so it's regularly acknowledged.

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Very important because when we talk about those issues, they are all issues that impact us because we recognize that rape is such a horrendous abomination.

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It's such a tremendous evil that even in the Bible, God's law, and that went through English common law and all through history, it's such a tremendous evil that it was something that was worthy of capital punishment.

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So according to a biblical worldview and then English common law moving through history, what was handed down to us was that kind of value put on a woman's life that you cannot do to someone's body whatever you please.

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Somebody cannot, by their own will and force, do something to another person's body against their will.

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So if you're against rape, you should be pro -life and an abolitionist on our side because what's happening in abortion is primarily the issue that makes rape such an abomination.

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I am doing to another person's body something against their will. But also, I do not believe that in the instance of rape that we should punish the child for the sin of the father.

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We should not give children capital punishment because their fathers are criminals. There are so many living, amazing, thriving, beautiful human beings today that are alive that would come right here,

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Representative, and testify to you. They are products of rape, and they're grateful to God that they weren't killed.

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Next is, I actually had friends I grew up with that were products of incest. I don't think we should kill them. And when it comes to the issue of the life of the mother, it's such a...for

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me as a pastor, I wanted to say this. In the last month, I've dealt with three miscarriages. One baby delivered at the hospital, six months in the womb.

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It's such a dramatically painful situation for a mother when you talk about an instance where the life of the mother is at risk.

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However, and you guys can check this later, check me on this statistic, the number of instances today because of medical technology where the mother's life is truly in danger is so infinitesimally small.

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But what we do with that, Representative, is we actually go in a situation like that, and it is a life -saving operation.

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The doctors at a hospital are concerned with the preservation of life in both cases, the mother and the preborn child.

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When you go to a hospital, they're trying to actually perform a life -saving operation. It's a dramatically emotional situation.

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And so when we talk about the issue of the life of the mother, I think we're once again back to the question of who says that a human life is valuable?

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Is it valuable in this instance but not in this instance? Because that's exactly what was going on, and the things we all agree with are evils behind us, the issue of slavery and the issue of the

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Holocaust, same issue. Representative Ortiz. And I would ask you all to please stick to answering the specific question being asked.

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So the specific question here is, did the Supreme Court legislate, that's option

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A, or did they interpret the constitutionality of existing state law that was refuted in Roe v.

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Wade? Well, I don't need, like, the 10 -minute explanation. I just want the concise, quick answer.

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Mr. Durbin. Yeah, well, our president, Joe Biden, and the White House press secretary do not agree with the idea that Roe v.

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Wade is law. He's not answering the question. I'm specifically addressing your question,

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Representative. They've said, and you can check this yourself, a number of times that they want to codify

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Roe as law, and I understand that there are representatives in Colorado here that want to codify Roe as law because it's not.

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The answer was it refuted a Texas state law. Representative Ortiz, I do need to recognize you and your question.

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You may not like his answer. He's just going to process it. And we only have 30 seconds, so if you want to spend 30 seconds and explain that.

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I will, and I am answering the representative's questions. I'm sorry he's bothered by it, but it is not law.

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Congress creates law in our nation. You can look that up in the constitution. It is not the Supreme Court. Colorado understands the need to protect their citizens because Colorado defies federal law and the courts every day in Colorado by resisting federal law and court opinions on marijuana.

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It is against the law federally and by the courts to smoke marijuana in the state, but Colorado says our citizens and their rights are more important, and so we resist the federal courts.

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And I'm thankful that we have that history, even in the case of Dred Scott. Thank you for your response. Our time is up.