August 17, 2023 Show with Jacob Tanner on “Why Sally Can’t Preach”

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August 18, 2023

August 17, 2023 Jacob Tanner, author & pastor of Christ Keystone Church of Middleburg, PA, who will address: “WHY SALLY CAN’T PREACH” & announcing the 2023 G3 National Conference!!

00:02: Live from historic downtown Carlisle, Pennsylvania, home of founding father
00:08: James Wilson, 19th century hymn writer George Duffield, 19th century gospel minister
00:13: George Norcross, and sports legend Jim Thorpe, it's Iron Sharpens Iron.
00:20: This is a radio platform in which pastors, Christian scholars, and theologians address the burning issues facing the church and the world today.
00:31: Proverbs chapter 27 verse 17 tells us iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another.
00:38: Matthew Henry said that in this passage, we are cautioned to take heed with whom we converse and directed to have in view in conversation to make one another wiser and better.
00:50: It is our hope that this goal will be accomplished over the next two hours, and we hope to hear from you, the listener, with your own questions.
00:57: And now, here's your host, Chris Arnzen. Good afternoon,
01:09: Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, Lake City, Florida, and the rest of humanity living on the planet
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01:20: This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Thursday on the 17th day of August, 2023.
01:30: And once again, I am requesting from my audience an urgent prayer request for my brother,
01:41: Andy, who is 75 years old in a local nursing home here in Carlisle, Pennsylvania.
01:48: He has been living in there for several years, ever since he had a massive stroke that left him paralyzed on the entire left side of his body.
01:57: He, after a bout with pneumonia, is now in a life -and -death situation regarding his blood being contaminated.
02:10: It is called sepsis, which is a very serious, life -threatening situation.
02:16: I just visited him in the nursing home today, and it is interesting that he appears no less healthy than he has in that nursing home for years.
02:31: So, I have no idea what that actually means internally for him, but he is not any more weak or less vocal and still has his quick wit about him and a strong voice.
02:53: So, I don't know if that indicates anything in a positive nature in regard to an improvement of his health.
03:00: All I know is that he is receiving his antibiotics intravenously, and he already had a round this morning and is having another one tonight.
03:13: I will keep you posted, but I am asking you, please, all of you, to pray for our great physician to use the physicians who are caring for him to bring him to a right and good, strong health again, and if not, using those means that he performs a divine miracle in the life of my brother and that our
03:41: Lord makes it abundantly clear that my brother has a genuine profession of faith in Christ.
03:48: My brother does profess Christ. It is not always a consistent profession, and it is not one that, as of yet, has left me with complete peace about where he is with the
04:01: Lord, so I appreciate that prayer being lifted up to our
04:07: Lord more than anything else, so that I know with great, enormous confidence that he is truly a child of God before he departs this earth, whenever that will be.
04:21: I appreciate all of you, hundreds of you, who have been letting me know via social media and email and text that you are praying for my brother, and I have told him that there are
04:35: Christians all over the world praying for him, and he seemed genuinely appreciative of that, so I will keep you updated on that and ask that you continue to pray for him.
04:46: Today we have a first -time guest, Jacob Tanner, who is an author and pastor of Christ Keystone Church in Middleburg, Pennsylvania, and we are going to be addressing a brand -new book of his that is quite controversial,
05:01: Why Sally Can't Preach, and we will also be announcing once again the 2023
05:08: G3 National Conference, where my guest Jacob Tanner will be involved in a book signing because the book that he has written,
05:18: Why Sally Can't Preach, is a publication of G3 Press. So, I am looking forward to meeting him at the
05:28: G3 Conference. I hope I actually meet him beforehand at the three -day conference in Lancaster the week before G3, featuring
05:38: Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries. Since our guest is in Pennsylvania, I am hoping that he can attend that as well.
05:46: But it is my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Trip and Zion Radio, Jacob Tanner. Yes, thank you very much for having me on.
05:53: I appreciate this. Well, why don't you let our listeners know about Christ Keystone Church of Middleburg, Pennsylvania.
06:01: Sure. So, our church was actually planted last year in 2022.
06:06: I believe we started technically in April, actually, and have kind of flipped back and forth, if anybody's familiar with the area, between Mifflinburg and Middleburg, depending on where the best place was to meet for us.
06:23: But as of right now, we've secured a location in Middleburg. And so, our church is really focused on a couple of things that we think are very important.
06:33: One of them is, of course, evangelism, then discipleship, and really everything centers around glorifying
06:40: God. The mission of our church is to reform, rebuild, and reclaim. Reform the church, rebuild
06:47: Christian community, and reclaim the culture for Christ. And by that, we mean we aim to make the lordship of Christ known in all things and to bring all things under the lordship of Jesus.
06:59: And so, we are a 1689 confessional church. We hold to the 1689 confession.
07:06: And I'm, of course, the pastor, and so we also hold to expositional preaching of the scriptures, verse by verse, week in and week out.
07:14: But the Lord has blessed the work so far, and if anybody listening to this is nearby and looking for a church, they are more than welcome to come and join us and worship together with us.
07:26: Praise God. And if anybody wants more details on this fine congregation, go to ChristKeystoneChurch .org,
07:37: ChristKeystoneChurch .org. Well, we have a tradition here. Whenever we have a first -time guest on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, we have that guest give a summary of their salvation testimony that would include the kind of religious atmosphere, if any, in which our guests were raised and what kind of providential circumstances our sovereign
07:58: Lord raised up in their lives that drew them to himself and saved them, and that would include you.
08:03: So, we would love to hear your story. Yeah, absolutely. So, I feel like my story is not as exciting as some people, and for a while growing up, that bothered me quite a bit.
08:15: I grew up in a couple of different church backgrounds that were big on these huge testimony experiences, you know, like people were near death or they were overdosing on drugs and they came to the
08:27: Lord, and I was always so impressed by those. And then I'd look at my testimony and say, well, there's nothing really special about it.
08:33: But that's a bad way of looking at it. I just saw a clip of a
08:39: Christian stand -up comic, and it was very hilarious, where he was talking about being in,
08:46: I think it was Christian youth camp or something like that. He was raised in the faith. So, when he was hearing testimonies of people that were drug dealers and stuff, and he goes,
08:56: I wish I did that before I was saved, so I'd have more of a testimony. But in my opinion,
09:03: Christ preserving someone from being involved in some of the more overtly wicked, scandalous, and deadly behavior is just as much a powerful testimony.
09:20: The preservation of God and the protection of God, not that those individuals are any less deserving of hell.
09:28: You could be a moral, upright person and a member of the
09:34: Young Republican Club and think when you go down the checklist of the
09:40: Ten Commandments, and I said think for a reason, think that you've obeyed these commandments, and you may have not been involved in the ones that are more overtly scandalous.
09:53: But you will go to hell just as quickly as a serial killer if you do not have the blood of Christ covering you.
10:03: Amen. And that was kind of my testimony then. So, growing up, I grew up in a household where my parents taught me about Christ from a very early age.
10:13: In fact, I'm often asked the question, when exactly do I believe I was saved?
10:19: And I can't pinpoint the exact date. There's a reason for that. One of the earliest memories that I have,
10:25: I was probably three or four years old. I remember praying on my own. This wasn't being coerced into it in a situation or anything like that.
10:34: I just remember praying on my own that Jesus would forgive me for the sins that I had committed. I didn't have a full understanding.
10:41: I knew I knew at that point that Jesus, of course, had died and risen, and somehow that meant
10:47: I could be forgiven of my sins. So that's one of my earliest memories. I remember this becoming more of a reality for me, though, when
10:54: I was around the age of 10. Around 10 years old, I struggled immensely with panic attacks and anxiety, which is very unusual for a child of that age, but I did.
11:07: And so there was a very real sense that I wanted peace and security, and I just couldn't find it anywhere.
11:14: And so as I began to pray more about it at that age, I came to a deeper sense of peace in Christ.
11:22: And then throughout my teen years, that only seemed to increase. And it was during my teen years, actually, our family got involved in a couple of different churches.
11:33: So to back up a little bit, growing up, we were kind of the hodgepodge family of every single
11:39: Christian theology possible. So it was nothing surprising for us to go to—I'm from Long Island, New York, and there was a place in Long Island, the
11:52: Our Lady of the Shrine or something like that. We would go there often, and it was a Roman Catholic shrine.
11:57: Where from Long Island are you? I'm from Holtzville, New York, originally. Oh, I know
12:03: Holtzville very well. In fact, I frequently stay in hotels when
12:08: I visit Long Island in Holtzville because they seem to be among the least expensive without it being a crack shack.
12:20: Yeah, yeah. And it's also near or not far from the Ronkonkoma train station, which is a major hub, as you know, on Long Island.
12:29: Yep. I can't remember where this shrine was, but I know we went there often. And I think it was called
12:35: Our Lady Shrine or something like that. I remember there was a huge statue of, I guess, a lady holding what was supposed to be the baby
12:43: Jesus. And we went there often. I even sat in some of the mass things that happened there, and this was probably when
12:51: I was around the ages of seven and eight. And then it was nothing for us in that same week to then go to an extremely
12:57: Pentecostal church and then to watch Joel Osteen or Joyce Myers on TV.
13:02: I mean, we were in a lot of different heresy. We believed a lot of different theological lies.
13:10: And so in my teen years, I'd love to say things immediately improved, but they didn't.
13:15: We eventually moved to Pennsylvania, and in Pennsylvania we began to attend holiness churches,
13:22: Wesleyan churches, with a very, very works -based, salvation -centered message.
13:29: And as a teenager, this frustrated me quite a bit. One of the providences of God in my life was
13:35: I've always loved reading, and so I was reading my Bible through, and I was doing it often from the age of 13 onward.
13:43: But I also found ways to get free books online of the Puritans, and so I was reading the Puritans, I was reading a lot of the
13:49: Reformers. And as I was reading their writings and comparing it to what I had heard both growing up and what
13:56: I was hearing in the churches at that point, I realized that the theology I had was extremely lacking.
14:03: I had no sense of security in Christ. I had no real sense of how exactly a person was saved.
14:10: I knew it somehow involved faith, but then I couldn't figure out, was it dependent on my works? I just didn't know.
14:16: And so it wasn't until I was about 14, 15 years old, reading men like Bunyan and John Calvin and Jonathan Edwards and even
14:26: Martin Luther, that I finally began to get a real sense of the gospel simply being the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, the gospel being the means of my justification through faith alone, apart from my works, but through the finished work of Christ.
14:43: And when I began to realize that, it totally changed my life.
14:48: So again, that's why I say I don't know when exactly the date of my salvation would be, but I do know during my teen years,
14:55: I definitely had more of an assurance than I ever had before. And it was around then, the age of 16, that I began preaching.
15:04: Probably not a very good idea for anybody listening to begin preaching at age 16, especially in the environment that I was in, but I did begin preaching at age 16, and I was preaching again in these
15:15: Holiness Wesleyan churches, and long story short, I burned almost every bridge to those churches very, very quickly when
15:23: I first started preaching. And so over the period of a few years, it became clear that I didn't have a name for the system of theology
15:32: I was holding to at the time, but I knew that it didn't match up with what the other churches in the area were holding to.
15:39: And so to fast forward about another decade or so, after attempting to serve in various churches, it became clear that what we needed most in our area, and we didn't feel called away from our area, we felt called to stay in our area.
15:54: It felt like what we needed most of all, and we prayed about it, was to have a confessional,
16:00: Reformed, Baptist, biblical church planted in our community. And as far as I know, we're one of the few ones for quite a distance.
16:09: So the Lord's been blessing that, but over the time, besides preaching and pastoring, the
16:15: Lord has also granted me many opportunities to write. And so I kind of attribute all of this stuff to back when
16:24: I was a teenager, reading the Puritans, just how much their writings, their pastoral writings, counseled me and helped me.
16:32: And I look at a lot of my ministry as trying to do what the Puritans did with their writing and with their pastoring and counseling, comforting, helping people, and that focus, again, on evangelism, discipleship, and ultimately glorifying
16:46: God. Well, when did you realize and how did you realize that the
16:52: Lord had placed a call upon your life to enter into pastoral ministry? So I was 16 years old.
17:00: I was homeschooled for my high school years, and one of the requirements of the
17:07: Pennsylvania program that I was in was that I had to give a public speech. Again, I don't recommend this, but I couldn't figure out a better way to give a public speech than to do it at church.
17:17: And so I appointed, at the time, I suppose he would have been like a youth pastor -type deal. I approached him and said,
17:24: I need to make a public speech. Will you let me do it for the youth group? And he immediately just said, yeah, sure, go ahead and do it.
17:32: So I did it, and he liked it quite a bit, and the other kids in the youth group seemed to like it.
17:39: So I'm around 16 at this time, or maybe it was 15, I think I was 16. And he then went to the pastor of the church and said,
17:46: I would love to have Jake preach from the pulpit on a Sunday night.
17:52: And for whatever reason, everybody thought this was the best possible idea, and so they agreed to it.
17:58: And at this point, I was not thinking I was called to preach. Didn't feel like that was something
18:04: I was even remotely interested in. But I had to make a public speech. So I always liked writing.
18:11: I, of course, love the Bible, and so I just put together a sermon, as best as I could.
18:17: And the time came to preach it. And I remember the process of preparing the sermon.
18:24: I absolutely loved it. I loved it. But I thought for sure I would not like delivering that sermon.
18:30: But then it came time to actually preach it. And I remember, as I was preaching, the thought crossing my mind, what if this is what
18:38: I'm supposed to do? So I began to sense a calling at that point while I was preaching without actually intending to do that.
18:46: And then after that service, a couple of the men within the church, the pastor and a few of the elders, came up to me and said,
18:54: Jake, we really feel like this is where the Lord is calling you to be. We need young men in the ministry.
19:00: We know that you're young, but really you need to start praying about this. Is this where the Lord's calling you?
19:05: And so one of these men, his name is Jim Smith, was a huge encouragement to me to really seek theological education.
19:14: And he felt a very strong calling over my life, and I began to sense it as well. And so he kind of confirmed that for me, and so I had both the inward and outward calling pretty early on.
19:25: I would say by age 17 or late 16 is when
19:30: I began to know it for sure. Praise God. Well, we have a very controversial topic, as I've already said today, why
19:41: Sally can't preach. And can I ask you, I'm sure you're aware that there are other volumes that have not only been in print for centuries, but some contemporary books that have been written and published with very theologically sound authors, in fact, authors that share our
20:06: Reformed faith. Why did you say to yourself, you know, I need to add a book of my own to what is already available?
20:17: Yeah, I actually did not plan on writing this book. There was no point where I woke up one morning and said, you know what,
20:25: I'm going to write a book about why women can't preach. What actually kind of led to the writing of this book is kind of a long story and process.
20:35: I kind of already described how I was in bad theology and the Lord led me out of it through the reading and writing of the
20:42: Puritans and the Reformers. But when I began pastoring and preaching,
20:48: I was still in the same Arminian circles that were practicing a lot of theological errors.
20:56: And so the first church that I was the assistant pastor at, I was probably there for a couple of months.
21:04: I think I started, yeah, it was December 31st I started. So Father's Day comes a few months later.
21:10: I'm voted into the church. I'm serving as an assistant pastor. And the senior pastor comes to me and says to me, hey,
21:16: Jake, just so you know, you don't need to preach on Father's Day. I have a woman coming in to lead the service for us.
21:23: And I remember at the time I was 21 or 22 years old and I kind of just looked at him and said, wait, we have what?
21:30: We have a woman coming in to preach for the Father's Day service. That makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever.
21:39: And he said, well, my uncle did it before I was the pastor here.
21:44: Everybody over the years has done this. It's been going on for 45 years or whatever it was. So we're going to have this woman come in.
21:51: Don't worry about it. But I did worry about it. And I was thinking, this is not biblical. So I remember my wife and I chose that Sunday not to attend.
22:00: And we were just trying to figure out, well, what do we do? Where do we go from here? And I began to have that conversation with people at the church about why women can't preach and why they can't pastor and why they can't be elders and why men have to lead.
22:15: And, you know, I'm a 21, 22 year old young man having this conversation with 50 year old men and 60 year old men and 70 year old men.
22:23: And they'd never heard these things before. So I began to study it more. Long story short, we leave that church due to some other theological issues.
22:33: And I go to another church, which is reformed, or at least they claim to be reformed.
22:38: And in the interview process, I'm asked about women preachers. What do I think about them? How do I feel about women in eldership?
22:45: And I tell them, I don't like it. It's unbiblical. I don't want to see that.
22:51: They seemingly, to me at least, agreed with what I had said. So I didn't press the issue any further.
22:58: I even gave them a copy of the 1689 Confession. And I said, if you want to know what I believe confessionally, here you go.
23:04: This is what it is. And we even had a question and answer time for me before I came to this church.
23:10: I preached a couple of sermons, received 100 percent of the vote. And then it came time for our very first board meeting.
23:16: And I go to the board meeting, and lo and behold, this is my own fault. I didn't do my due diligence. But lo and behold, there's women on the church board.
23:26: And they're not just on the church board, but they're serving in the capacity of elders, at least in title.
23:32: And so I kind of looked around, and my stomach sunk. And I thought, what did
23:37: I do? What kind of mistake have I made here? And so I was going to leave the church, but I had a good friend of mine, a pastor, say,
23:45: Listen, you were voted into the church. You received 100 percent of the vote. How about you give it a year?
23:50: Preach on these things. If they don't know any better, they need somebody to teach them. So preach about the biblical roles of men and women.
23:57: Preach the gospel. Preach what the structure of the church is supposed to be. Preach expositionally.
24:03: Preach through the word. And give them a year, and then bring these things up to a vote. So I did that.
24:09: I preached on the structure of the household, the structure of the church, and how
24:14: God has honestly structured things in a patriarchal way. And I can distinctly remember there were two points where I honestly felt like I was going to be attacked while I was in the middle of preaching.
24:27: The first was when I was preaching on Ephesians 5, 22, down to the end of the chapter, about wives submitting to their husbands.
24:35: And you could, like, hear a pin drop. People were upset. They were not happy that I was saying what
24:41: I was saying, but it was biblical. And then I preached a subsequent message and sermon on the roles of women and men within the church, with 1
24:51: Timothy 2 and 1 Timothy 3. And again, it was in the middle of that sermon. If looks could kill,
24:58: I'm pretty sure almost everybody in that room would have struck me dead right then and there. But I continued to do it.
25:04: Over the course of a year, I preached through various books of the Bible, and I tried to show them as best as I possibly could from the
25:13: Scriptures what the biblical roles of men and women are. When it came time for that vote, things didn't really go too well, and so we obviously left that church because I felt very strongly that not only was the church in sin, but it would actually be sinful for me to continue to pastor with women serving as elders, not only in that church but in that particular denomination that the church was a part of as well.
25:41: There was a lot of issues there that I'm leaving out, but even the denomination itself was veering off into that direction and some other woke issues as well.
25:50: And so having preached for, you know, over a year on these different topics,
25:55: I began to look through these sermons after I had left the church, and I began to write for G3.
26:03: And I'm pretty sure the first article that was published with G3 was an article called
26:09: No Such Thing as Women Pastors. And so I submitted that, and they accepted it, and they liked it, and it seemed to have really good feedback from the people who read it.
26:20: And so I kind of jokingly then said, Well, I've got a lot more material that I'd be more than happy to use, maybe even in a small book.
26:28: And as it turned out, this was in 2022, they came back to me and they said, Actually, we would love that.
26:34: A small book on this topic would be great. We'd be very interested. And so here we are about a year later, and Why Sally Can't Preach has been published.
26:43: But really what it is is it's a combination of sermons that I had written over the period of that year.
26:50: So it's not that you're just reading those sermons, but in a sense, it's multiple sermons that have been edited, stitched together, and compiled to try to make the most biblically accurate case that can be made for why it is that women can't preach.
27:07: Well, we have to go to our first commercial break right now. If you have a question for Jacob Tanner on Why Sally Can't Preach, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com.
27:20: Give us your first name, at least city and state and country of residence. Please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.
27:29: Let's say you're a member of a church with a female pastor or female pastors, plural.
27:34: And you disagree with that. And obviously, you don't want to draw attention to your identity yet. Or perhaps you're even a male elder of a congregation that has female elders, and he disagrees with his own elder board over this.
27:51: You might even be a woman appointed to the eldership of a church that has begun to believe that she herself is not qualified.
28:00: I actually, years ago, when I worked for WMCA radio, received a phone call from a woman who was an elder in a
28:13: PCUSA church, a PCUSA church that was at least somewhat conservative and believed in the inerrancy of the scripture and so on.
28:28: And this was back in the 90s. And she contacted me and she heard my pastor preaching on WMCA radio on the show that I created titled
28:41: The Voice of Sovereign Grace. And he happened to be preaching a sermon on why only men are qualified to be elders in the church.
28:50: And she was convicted about this. And she asked me of recommendations of churches where she could visit, because she believed that she not only had to resign from being an elder of the church where she was, but she had to leave that church because she said,
29:08: I don't want to any longer be a member of a church that ordains women.
29:14: It's quite a remarkable thing. But whatever the reason is, and you're not ready to identify yourself, we can understand those things would compel you to remain anonymous.
29:23: But if it's a general question about what the Bible has to say about exclusively male headship, please give us your first name at least, city and state and country residence.
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40:00: Give us your first name at least, your city and state, and your country of residence. I want to ask you,
40:06: Jacob, if you agree with me on this. Sure. As much as I am vehemently opposed to women in leadership in the church and in the home, of course women have a role of leadership over children in the home under their husbands, but as much as I am vehemently opposed to that,
40:29: I think that we who are complementarian or those who are even as far to the right as believing in patriarchy, we have to be careful that we do not vilify women who are in leadership who may be in that leadership position for a far different reason than the collapse of leftist apostasy.
41:01: There are denominations that I'm familiar with who I know male, excuse me,
41:07: I know male pastors in certain denominations such as the
41:13: Church of God General Assembly headquartered in Findlay, Ohio.
41:19: They have male pastors, but they also permit the ordination of women and some of these churches do have female pastors.
41:31: To my personal experience, those that have female pastors also have male pastors on the elder board, but although I'm not trying to soften the seriousness of that error, these women were appointed to that position because those denominations, some of these denominations have a history and tradition of doing this that dates back over a century and they're a part of Bible -believing denominations that have a very strong commitment to the inerrancy of scripture and as the scriptures being the sole infallible rule of faith for the church and stand with you and me side by side in rejecting the heresies and blasphemies and apostasy of many of the mainline denominations that have totally gone apostate.
42:35: So don't we have to make sure that we do not broad brush people, broad brush women in that position because we would in essence be bearing false witness against some of them, not by saying that they're illegitimately serving in that capacity and in that role.
42:57: We must be fervently opposed to anything that we think is unbiblical, but we cannot assume they were all there for the same reason.
43:07: Yeah, let me answer the question and then I'll give an example of this as well. So we do have to stick very close to what scripture says and so there is no getting away from the fact that they are in error.
43:22: Now I would say that the ones who have appointed them to that position and the ones who have failed to teach them what the
43:29: Bible actually states are the ones who in a sense bear the greater sin. So for example, the man who ordains a woman.
43:36: Is the woman sinning by doing so? Well if she hasn't been taught any better, yeah, you can still commit a sin out of ignorance, but the man who should know better I think is bearing the greater sin, the greater weight of responsibility in that error.
43:49: But let me give an example of this. So I was telling you about the church that I pastored that had two women serving quote -unquote as elders.
43:59: So at this particular church, these women had never been taught before that it was wrong for them to exercise leadership over men.
44:07: They had no idea. Now they were older women. In fact, they were in their 70s.
44:13: And so you have a mid -20 -year -old man coming in here saying, hey, you guys are wrong.
44:20: You're in sin, and you need to step down from this position. I understand why there would be a kickback from that, and I understand why these ladies would have been upset.
44:31: But here's the good news. Over that period of the year where I was teaching on these things, one of these women actually willingly stepped down.
44:40: She came to me and she said to me, thank you so much for preaching what the Word of God says.
44:45: I have never heard these things preached on before the whole time I've been in church. And she was in church for 70 years at the same church.
44:53: She came and she said, thank you for preaching on these things. I never heard these truths before, and I've realized that I'm in sin for being in this position.
45:02: I've realized now I can't teach men. I can't exercise authority over the men of the church.
45:08: I can't preach to these men. And so I need to step down from this position. Now, the other woman did not want to step down.
45:16: She was actually very angry over what I had been preaching. And she came to me, and she would have said that she believed the
45:23: Scriptures were the infallible, inerrant rule of God. And yet, when I showed her what the
45:29: Scriptures said, she came back to me, and she said to me, listen, that was for that day and age, that time.
45:35: Scriptures have to change, just like the times. If we want our church to grow, we have to do what the times are doing.
45:41: And so you can't, and again, this is a woman in her 70s talking to me in my 20s, and she says, we've got to do what the world is doing if we want the church to grow.
45:50: So we can't just necessarily follow what Scripture says. In that situation, I would say she now knows full -fledged that she's in sin.
45:59: She's been shown the biblical witness. It's been patiently explained to her, and she refused to repent.
46:05: She refused the biblical correction. And so there you can see very clearly somebody who's in sin.
46:11: But a lot of the time, and it's part of the reason why I wrote this book, a lot of women who are in these sort of leadership positions have been pushed into them by men, and they don't realize that they're in sin.
46:23: They don't realize that they're in error. They don't realize that they're actually against Scripture.
46:29: And so part of my goal with this book is to lead these women into repentance and show them that there is a far better way.
46:37: And the better way is biblically called qualified men leading the church and wives then submitting to their husbands within the household and within the church, the church submitting to a pastor, and all people, all
46:53: Christians, submitting then to Christ. And thus, the woman's worth and value is not in a position with a title, but her greatest worth and value is actually found in that role of submitting to her husband and nurturing and raising godly children within the household.
47:12: And let me go to some listener questions that have already come in. One of the reasons
47:17: I wanted to take a couple of these fairly soon, early on into the discussion, is because I have a feeling you're going to steal their thunder.
47:28: In other words, in anything we are about to say further from this point, it involves their question.
47:36: So let me see, where are these questions? I just had them in front of me. Okay. We have
47:44: Bob in Wakefield, Massachusetts. It's not really a question, it's a comment.
47:50: And I think it's a very common objection that I have heard from people.
47:57: I don't know if Bob is conservative. I don't know if Bob is a believer in the inerrancy of Scripture.
48:05: But his comment appears to be coming from that presupposition.
48:13: Bob says, Much is made and said about what a woman can and cannot do in the church.
48:19: To me, context is many times ignored as temple worship included prostitution.
48:27: Remember, Jesus first appeared to women. The Bible teaches me that God desires obedient servants regardless of gender.
48:40: And it's interesting that the final sentence there was, the Bible teaches me, not the
48:46: Bible teaches. But can you comment on all of these one at a time? And if you need me to repeat them,
48:52: I will. Sure. So let's kind of take it step by step.
48:58: But let me start with that last one first. Let's go in reverse here, maybe. When he says, The Bible teaches me that God requires faithful servants.
49:07: Absolutely, yes. God has called each and every single man, woman, and child who has been redeemed by the blood of Jesus Christ to be a faithful servant of Christ.
49:17: That's part of the Great Commission, actually. We are to teach all peoples to be obedient to what
49:24: Christ has commanded us. So that means, then, being faithful servants.
49:30: We have to proclaim these truths to others. Now let me just kind of deal with all of that together, because I think this might answer a lot of that, well, not really a question, but a comment.
49:42: God has called us as Christians, then, not only as faithful servants, but to be faithful proclaimers of the gospel.
49:50: So the Great Commission is really a great commission that is fulfilled by the people of God.
49:56: Now, being one who proclaims the gospel, being one who goes and tells another, Jesus died for your sins,
50:03: Jesus rose from the grave, repent of your sins and believe in Jesus. Proclaiming that gospel message is not the same as preaching.
50:11: Preaching is a different task. And so he brought up context. Context is important to understand here, because when it comes to, for example,
50:20: Jesus appearing first to Mary and then the other women, and then them going to tell
50:25: Peter and the others that Jesus had risen from the grave, at no point was Jesus saying, go and preach my scriptures to other people.
50:35: He was simply telling them, go and proclaim, go and declare a truth to these men of mine.
50:42: And there's nothing wrong with that. In fact, everybody's called to proclaim the truth. The difference is with preaching itself as a function and pastoring as well.
50:53: And so when we think about the roles of what men and women can and cannot do, for example, men cannot bear children.
51:03: That, despite what many people say, men can't bear children. Wait a minute, I've been hearing on the news every day that they can.
51:10: What are you talking about? Yeah, yeah. What is a woman, right? No, it's very, very clear that God has established these roles for a reason.
51:19: It doesn't mean that a man is lesser than a woman because a man can't bear children.
51:25: And it also doesn't mean that a woman is lesser than a man because she can't be a pastor. God's word is very clear on this.
51:32: So when I describe preaching to people, I like to define it in this way.
51:37: Preaching is a fundamentally masculine task that is reserved for, and listen carefully, it's reserved for biblically qualified men wherein they are equipped and indwelt by the
51:52: Holy Spirit in such a way that they not only exposit the Scriptures, but help their congregants and congregation to apply them in practical ways as well.
52:04: So what that means then is that the very act of preaching itself is an exercising of authority over a congregation.
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01:17:09: Why Sally Can't Preach, chrisarnson at gmail .com. Give us your first name at least, city and state, and country of residence.
01:17:17: And Jacob, if you could pick up where you left off, you were in the midst of responding to a comment or several comments from Bob in Wakefield, Massachusetts.
01:17:30: I'll repeat what he said. Much is made and said about what a woman can and cannot do in the church.
01:17:36: To me, context is many times ignored as temple worship included prostitution.
01:17:42: Remember Jesus first appeared to women. The Bible teaches me that God desires obedient servants regardless of gender.
01:17:51: I'm assuming when he brought up the temple prostitution, I'm not sure what that has in connection to this because there may have been, from what
01:18:01: I understand, I believe there were both male homosexual prostitutes and female prostitutes.
01:18:07: So I'm not sure what that has to do with this. Yeah, I'm not entirely sure what exactly he's getting at with that comment.
01:18:20: I can only assume he meant that because of the fact that that was so clear in their mind because it was a contemporary thing, that at that time they didn't want women to be leaders because of that sin in the temple with the women being prostitutes.
01:18:37: That's the only thing I can think of. By the way, Bob, I'm not mocking you. I'm just trying to...
01:18:43: If you want to send a clarifying email to ChrisOrenson at gmail .com,
01:18:49: we can further explore that. But Jesus first appeared to women.
01:18:56: That doesn't really prove anything other than a historical fact. And it also adds to the integrity and authenticity of the
01:19:07: Bible because if you were going to make up a story, you wouldn't have women being the first eyewitnesses since their testimony meant nothing in the court of law back then.
01:19:18: So, in other words, you would have... If the authors of Scripture were perpetrating a fraud, why are you having women appear...
01:19:26: Why are you having women as the first eyewitnesses when that would be discredited, especially by the
01:19:31: Jews of the day? And the Bible teaches me that God desires obedient servants regardless of gender.
01:19:38: Of course He does because we are all servants of Christ if we are genuinely Christians.
01:19:43: But anything else you wanted to add to any of that? One other thing that I was thinking is when he was talking about how context is often ignored,
01:19:53: I just want to share an example from 1 Corinthians chapter 14. 1 Corinthians chapter 14, verses 33 and 34 say this,
01:20:00: For God is not a God of confusion, but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the law also says.
01:20:15: Now, I just want to point out there, and we could go to a couple other passages too, but for the sake of time, let me keep it here.
01:20:22: Paul is telling us that the Holy Spirit has not equipped women to preach or to teach because God is not the author of confusion.
01:20:31: So when we say that women can't pastor and they can't preach, what we're actually, it's more powerful than just saying they shouldn't preach.
01:20:40: What we're saying is they can't because preaching is a gifting of the Holy Spirit that is only given to biblically qualified men.
01:20:48: And the context here is for all the churches of all the different cultures. So when it comes to this topic, there is absolutely no exception.
01:20:57: Women, biblically, cannot pastor and they cannot preach. Doesn't mean that they're lesser than men.
01:21:02: They're still incredibly valuable, still incredibly important to the flourishing of human society, to the dominion mandate, to the
01:21:09: Great Commission. There are roles for them within the church, but we have to be honest with what
01:21:14: Scripture says and what Scripture lays out for us is a very clear picture and a very clear portrait that women can't pastor or preach.
01:21:23: Yes, and we need to clarify you already did in a sense, but maybe we'll make it more clear.
01:21:30: It has nothing to do with the gifts that women have, oratory gifts, the brilliance they have, the theological, biblical knowledge.
01:21:43: A woman in a congregation may have vastly more theological and biblical knowledge than her own pastor, but that does not mean she can disobey the knowledge that she has by becoming a pastor.
01:22:01: Right, and again, it's an issue of, Martin Lloyd -Jones had a helpful definition for it.
01:22:07: He said, preaching is logic on fire. Well, how does logic become on fire? The answer again is through the
01:22:13: Holy Spirit. So unless the Holy Spirit equips somebody to preach, they're simply not going to preach.
01:22:18: They might be able, I guess you could say lecture. Potentially they could teach, but again, the
01:22:24: Bible still is prohibiting women from teaching the men also. It's any position of authority over a man.
01:22:31: But preaching, again, I think we have to understand that it's not just women either, but there are men occupying pulpits that are not qualified.
01:22:41: They're not called to it. And so I've been joking lately that I think the follow -up to why Sally can't preach should be why
01:22:48: Harry can't preach. And we'll talk about why some of these men and why
01:22:55: Harry met Sally. They were both excommunicated. I'm only kidding. I'm only kidding. I mean, yeah, some of them should be.
01:23:04: But anyway, we have to be faithful to what the text says. Yes.
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01:23:46: Let's see. We have Gordon in Setauket, Long Island, New York, and Gordon says,
01:23:55: Is it preaching when a woman is speaking to a group that is exclusively women, as even us folk who are either complementarian or patriarchal typically believe in the integrity and faithfulness to the
01:24:14: Scripture in having exclusively female gatherings where there is some kind of a teacher there?
01:24:20: Is she not to be animated? Is she not to raise her voice as a preacher would?
01:24:26: What makes what she is doing different than preaching? Again, I think we can point to the
01:24:34: Holy Spirit has not equipped a woman to preach because, again, he's not the author of Confusion.
01:24:40: There's no issue that I see with women teaching other women. In fact, my own wife leads a woman's
01:24:47: Bible study, and she would tell you firsthand she can teach other women, but she cannot preach.
01:24:53: Again, preaching, fundamentally masculine task reserved for biblically qualified men, and it depends upon the power of the
01:25:00: Holy Spirit to be able to preach. There are similarities, of course, between preaching and teaching in that when
01:25:07: I preach, am I teaching? Absolutely. Can a teacher be animated as I am when
01:25:13: I preach? Absolutely. But again, the key element here that we cannot miss is the
01:25:18: Holy Spirit is the one. He is the one that must equip and give unction to the words that are spoken in such a way that it actually becomes logic on fire, as Lloyd -Jones would have said, or preaching.
01:25:32: But I think it's good to have those women's gatherings. I think it's good to have them teaching one another.
01:25:38: I just wouldn't call it preaching, and I think that's the emphasis Scripture gives to us as well. So are you saying that you are completely fine biblically with a woman teaching an exclusively female audience in the same exact manner with which a man preaches?
01:25:59: And let's also remind ourselves that there are many, and I hope I don't upset too many people, there are many male pastors who, in my opinion, are not preaching.
01:26:10: They're lecturing from a pulpit. There seems to be no sense of urgency, no sense of passion.
01:26:20: They're just duplicating what they would do in a Bible study, or in a seminary classroom.
01:26:28: But having said that, if a woman is preaching, or let me rephrase that, if a woman is speaking to or teaching a female audience in the same manner that Al Martin would preach to a mixed audience, is that wrong?
01:26:46: I would say no, if she understands she's not preaching. But also, I'm not sure that that's really going to happen because she's not preaching.
01:26:55: So again, I think if we have a situation where a woman is teaching other women, there's no men present, it's women teaching women, and they're sharing, say they're having a
01:27:07: Bible study together or something, and she becomes a little excited and animated about what she's teaching, I don't really think there's much of an issue with that.
01:27:15: Now, I would say there's an immediate issue if we have a mixed audience. If there's a man present,
01:27:20: I think it's very clear that, I mean, don't even worry about her being animated. She should not be teaching at all in a mixed setting.
01:27:29: The area where I found the most amount of feedback from that is, well, what about in situations of teenagers?
01:27:38: I know that there are a lot of churches, and maybe even some who are listening right now, who would say, we have youth groups where we have a man working together with his wife, and they're teaching the teens, and there's some boys in those classes who are pretty close to manhood, adulthood, maybe some of them are pretty much men now in their maturity levels, and what do we do there?
01:27:59: Honestly, it's still tough to exactly figure out when in our culture does a boy become a man, but I think there's wisdom in always having that man and woman team involved for teen groups, and to have the man really as the de facto leader, because he's supposed to be.
01:28:18: Now, again, that's not necessarily preaching. You can have somebody leading teens or a youth group that is not called to preach, but I think there's wisdom in having an elder involved in that, somebody biblically qualified to teach, and I think there's wisdom also if you're going to have a mixed teen group, definitely have a man present, definitely have a woman present, but make sure the man is the one teaching in those sort of settings.
01:28:47: Okay. By the way, Gordon, in his talk at Long Island, New York, you have also won a free copy of Why Sally Can't Preach, and if you're a first -time questioner, please let us know, because you've also won a
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01:29:28: Grady in Ashboro, North Carolina, who I am really eagerly looking forward to sharing fellowship with this brother at the
01:29:36: G3 conference coming up. Greetings, brothers. It seems to me that the churches or denominations that have gone down this path have also ended up approving homosexual marriages and ordinations.
01:29:48: Do you agree? That's interesting. I've heard a saying that goes like this, while every church that ordains homosexuals began by ordaining women, not all churches or denominations that ordain women currently ordain homosexuals.
01:30:07: I'm assuming you would agree with that. As I even just said, with the
01:30:12: Church of God General Assembly, headquartered in Findlay, Ohio, they are just as much opposed to homosexuality as you and I are, but they ordain women.
01:30:23: Yeah. One of the things that I talk about in the book is I have a section where I explain the history of for the longest time it was the fringe groups that would ordain women or say that these women had been called to preach, and they were fringe groups because people immediately knew they were heretical.
01:30:39: But then you enter into really the late 1800s, and you start to see the shift occurring.
01:30:46: I chalk it up to two things. One of them is the rise of radical feminism, which
01:30:51: I believe is very closely linked to the Industrial Revolution as well. So the forcing of men out of the home to then work in different places where they're spending long hours away, and then the forcing of women out of the home as well.
01:31:06: So you no longer have trades being practiced. The children are no longer taught by both parents.
01:31:11: Now you have women also being forced out of the home. Feminism comes along and says anything men can do, women can do better.
01:31:18: In fact, we don't even need men anymore. And then connected to that, you have in these radical feminist groups these people coming along and saying, well, if women are going to have any value in society, they need to occupy the same places that men do.
01:31:37: There can't be any distinction made anymore. And so once you have the women being ordained into these roles, you have it happening with the
01:31:46: United Church of Christ in the 1800s. Not officially counted, but there is a woman that begins serving as a pastor at that time.
01:31:54: You have, I think we already mentioned the Presbyterian Church of the United States of America. They start to do it. You have the famous Azusa Street revivals that brought about a lot of the bad charismatic practices that we see today.
01:32:07: But they, of course, had women leading the charge in a lot of different ways. And in each of these circumstances, what you have is once women are ordained and they become pastors in these churches, what you have happening is a denial of gender roles.
01:32:22: Gender roles that are established in the creational order itself. And once the creational order is denied, really what you've done is you've cut off the
01:32:30: Bible from Genesis onward. And it's just a matter of falling into a whole lot of other theological errors, theological liberalism, until eventually you get to the point where we're at today where, what is it, the
01:32:43: PCUSA is having the drag queen story hour shows and everything else. And I know some will say, well, that's a slippery slope.
01:32:51: That doesn't necessarily mean that's going to happen. Historically, that is exactly what has happened.
01:32:56: Isn't it the same hermeneutic that is typically used to defend the ordination of women, also used to embrace homosexuals, not only as genuine, regenerate brothers and sisters, but also to ordain them.
01:33:14: It seems that the same hermeneutic is using because the excuse is often used that there were cultural things that led to this prohibition for both of those things, being a woman or being a homosexual.
01:33:32: And yet, in fact, your book cover— somebody could pick up your book cover and say, oh,
01:33:39: I don't even have to read the book because the answer is right on the cover, the apple. Because we know that the apostle
01:33:45: Paul in 1 Timothy 2, he says, starting in verse 12, but I do not allow a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet, for it was
01:33:59: Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not
01:34:04: Adam who was deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a wrongdoer.
01:34:11: So, therefore, he is not appealing to anything that was contemporary and cultural.
01:34:17: He was appealing to the God -breathed words of the Hebrew Scriptures in Genesis.
01:34:24: It's really an appeal, too, to the transcendent order that God has established within the sexes itself.
01:34:31: So when God designed man and woman in Genesis 1, Paul's appealing back to that.
01:34:36: He's saying, well, Adam was formed first, so there you go, there you have your federal headship. And then he says, but if there's one thing that woman was first in, it was in being deceived and sinning.
01:34:46: So, in other words, if you allow women to lead in these positions like as a pastor in a church, one of the things you could say that's going to happen is greater deception and greater deceit is going to occur over a period of time.
01:34:59: And again, historically, that's been the case. You mentioned the hermeneutic that they use, and that's absolutely true.
01:35:05: Once you fall into that hermeneutic of saying, well, it was just cultural, it no longer applies to us today, you know, five minutes later suddenly homosexuals are being ordained as well, because I mean, where do you stop?
01:35:18: There's no place to stop if you're not grounded by the Word. Amen. We have
01:35:23: Andrew in Brooklyn, New York. Do you view the issue of female pastors as a test of orthodoxy, like justification by faith alone, the
01:35:34: Trinity, or holding to biblical sexual ethics? I do.
01:35:40: So I look at this as actually being a primary issue within the Church. So there are secondary issues, there are tertiary issues.
01:35:48: Somebody can hold to a different eschatological view than I do and be a brother in Christ, or sister in Christ, as long as they believe that Jesus is coming back, there will be an end to temporal history,
01:35:59: He's gonna make all things new, general resurrection, judgment, all of those things. As long as you believe that, I don't care if you're pre -mill, mill, or post -mill, right?
01:36:08: But when it comes to an issue like this, I do believe it is that important that if you deny gender roles, if you deny biblically what a man and woman is, you're gonna deny the
01:36:20: Gospel. There's no way around it. And we see that with this hermeneutic, which then also begins to ordain homosexuals.
01:36:27: So I view it as being as important as justification by faith alone. Now, here's where I may—unless you clarify and correct me in my thinking here—here's where I may disagree with you in that denial of any of those things that Andrew brings up is an indication that the person isn't even saved.
01:36:50: These are salvific issues. The justification by faith alone. The Trinity.
01:36:56: Biblical sexual ethics. And I'm not necessarily saying that every single person who misunderstands the doctrine of the
01:37:10: Trinity is damned, because even as James White has said in the past, if you were to interview evangelicals on what the
01:37:19: Trinity means, he thinks like 80 % to 90 % would give a modalist description.
01:37:25: So, I mean, I think there's also a difference between a naive, immature
01:37:32: Christian who doesn't understand this, and a teacher who is anti -Trinitarian.
01:37:39: I think that those are— But anyway, like I was saying, these are salvific issues where I think a woman who is a pastor, although she is doing something that is very unbiblical and warrants our rebuke, and warrants that she step down from that office,
01:37:57: I believe she can be regenerate. Yeah, I think that there's a— it goes exactly to what you were just saying.
01:38:04: There's a sense in which a lot of them really just don't know, and so when I say—I look at it as a primary issue.
01:38:12: I'm thinking in terms of the women who do know better. They've been shown over and over again, and yet have doubled and even tripled down in the sin, and are now saying, well,
01:38:23: Scripture doesn't really mean what you think it means, or this was just a cultural observation that Paul made, or Paul was misogynist, or one of my favorites,
01:38:32: Paul's not Jesus, so I really don't care what Paul said. That's where we see a lot of these really big issues, but it goes back to my experience that I had at a previous church, in that a lot of these women who are in these positions have been put there by men.
01:38:48: Those men, I believe, bear the greater sin, because they fail to lead well, and some of them just need to be taught.
01:38:55: So, you know, it's justification by faith alone, right? You can go into some Reformed churches, and the people won't be able to articulate that too well.
01:39:04: Now, there's various reasons for that. You could blame it's the pastor, he didn't explain it well, they didn't listen well, whatever it may be.
01:39:12: If you patiently explain it to them, and they say, okay, I see where my error was, they're obviously, they're redeemed, likely, there's not any error there any longer.
01:39:23: And so I look at this in the same way, same token. Very important, but somebody can misunderstand it and be saved, absolutely.
01:39:31: Well, we have to go to our final break, and if you have a question, I strongly urge you to send it immediately, because we're rapidly running out of time.
01:39:38: ChrisOrenson at gmail .com, we'll be right back with Jacob Tanner, don't go away.
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01:53:16: is the correct website. We are now back with our guest,
01:53:22: Jacob Tanner, and we are going to continue until the conclusion of today's show a discussion of his book,
01:53:29: Why Sally Can't Preach. And we have Ted in Moundsville, Alabama, who has a question.
01:53:42: He is saying, Your guest spoke eloquently on the value of the writing of the
01:53:49: Puritans for pastors. I'm wondering if he might briefly address the value of Puritan writings for those not in ordained ministry, especially for those of us who are starting to explore the
01:54:00: Puritans. What sort of things should we look for or look out for as we begin reading them?
01:54:06: Obviously, that would take two hours to adequately answer. But anything you want to highlight?
01:54:13: I would say everybody listening, read the Puritans for sure. If you want somebody simple to start off with, read
01:54:20: John Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress. You'll see a walk through the Christian life. Thomas Boston is excellent as well.
01:54:27: But really, when you're reading the Puritans, what you're going to find is what Joel Beakey calls experiential theology.
01:54:33: So it's theology applied, and there's, I believe, no greater source of comfort in my own personal
01:54:41: Christian life when it comes to theological writings than those of the Puritans. They have such a warmth, such a clarity when it comes to preaching biblical doctrine.
01:54:51: One of my personal favorites that I would recommend is John Bunyan's Come and Welcome to Jesus Christ. And really, anything
01:54:59: Bunyan -related. Bunyan's one of my personal favorites. But just read the Puritans. They are excellent for everybody.
01:55:05: And I have heard from a few of the world's most prominent experts in the
01:55:11: Puritans that the only thing worth reading by Richard Baxter was the
01:55:18: Reformed pastor because he was actually an Arminian and had some serious flaws on the very primary and important issue of justification.
01:55:30: Yeah, I've heard that. I've personally not read Baxter outside of the Reformed pastor. So you took their advice.
01:55:38: Yeah, I took their advice without knowing it. But yeah, I did see those are being republished, though.
01:55:45: I think all of Baxter's works by Soli Deo Gloria Publishing, I believe. Really? Oh, that's interesting.
01:55:52: I believe so. Well, I really want you—oh, by the way, Ted, give us your full mailing address in Moundsville, Alabama, and we'll have
01:56:00: CVBBS .com ship you a free copy of Why Sally Can't Preach. I'd like you to summarize now, brother, what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today in regard to this very important topic.
01:56:13: If there's one thing I think everybody takes away from today, I think hopefully it's this. Preaching is an incredibly important task.
01:56:20: Pastoring is an incredibly important task. And my goal in writing this book is not to put down women or to put down anybody, for that matter.
01:56:27: My goal in writing this book is to affirm the biblical truth that we all know to be true, which is that men, biblically qualified men, must preach and they must pastor.
01:56:37: Those who are in sin must repent and step down from those positions. If they're women, absolutely they need to step down, but maybe even a man listening to this is in sin.
01:56:45: If that's you, step down, because it's dangerous not only for you, but for your congregation to stay in that position as well.
01:56:53: And for those who know the truth, keep on standing on the truth. Be steadfast. Know that your labor in the
01:56:58: Lord is never in vain. And as we think about these things and as we pray through these things, let's also acknowledge all of our roles are vital and important.
01:57:07: And the real solution for this, I think, is the family. As long as we begin to understand that a woman's most important role, if the
01:57:15: Lord calls her to it, is as the wife and mother of the household. She is doing incredibly important work, in fact, often raising up the next generation of preachers with young men in her household.
01:57:26: So keep on doing what the Lord has called you to do. Don't seek to do extra. And when you seek to do what
01:57:32: God has called you to do and what He's equipped you to do, you will glorify Him. Well, if any of you listening had not won the free copy of Why Sally Can't Preach today, and even if you did win a copy and you want to purchase more copies,
01:57:49: I would strongly urge you to do that. If you want to find out more about this book, go to g3men .org,
01:57:58: g3men .org, and click on Press at the top of the page, and Press will lead you to G3 Press.
01:58:08: And if you want to type in the search engine Tanner, the last name of my guest, T -A -N -N -E -R, you will see this book,
01:58:16: Why Sally Can't Preach. I also want to remind you about the website for Christ Keystone Church, which is, remind me of the city, brother?
01:58:28: Middleburg, Pennsylvania. Middleburg, Pennsylvania. Go to ChristKeystoneChurch .org,
01:58:35: ChristKeystoneChurch .org. Folks, please also do not forget about the three -day
01:58:41: Bible conference in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, featuring Dr.
01:58:47: James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries. This is the Mid -Atlantic Reformation Society Conference, which they call the
01:58:53: Future of Christendom Conference. And on Saturday, September 16th,
01:58:59: Dr. White, once again, will be debating Dr. Gregory Coles on the theme, Is Gay Christian a
01:59:06: Biblically Acceptable Identity for a Member of Christ's Church? That's Saturday, September 16th, 3 .30
01:59:11: to 6 .30 p .m. But the entire conference is Friday through Sunday, September 15th through the 17th.
01:59:18: Go to futureofchristendom .org to register, futureofchristendom .org.
01:59:23: Also, don't forget about my free pastor's luncheon for all men in ministry leadership, featuring guest speaker
01:59:32: Jeff Noblitt at Church of the Living Christ in Loisville, Pennsylvania, which is Perry County, Thursday, October 5th, 11 a .m.
01:59:40: to 2 p .m. And send me an e -mail if you want to register for free at chrisarnson at gmail .com,
01:59:46: chrisarnson at gmail .com. I want to thank you so much, Jacob, for being a superb guest. I want to thank everybody who listened.
01:59:52: I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.