Is the Eclipse the Sign of the Prophet Jonah?

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We are live now on the conversations that matter podcast. I'm your host John Harris. It is a

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Sunday afternoon Sorry, Saturday afternoon. I'm thinking about Sunday because that's what we're gonna be talking about Eclipse that's happening tomorrow

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But it is a Saturday afternoon and hopefully many of you are out there

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Who will be listening to this who are not listening now live because you've got stuff to do you've got a life and it's

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Saturday And I hope you're having a wonderful time whatever it is you're doing or catching up on and I mean that's what

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I do most of the time on the weekend is catch up on stuff and Tomorrow though, of course is the

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Lord's Day and I have the privilege of delivering a message tomorrow And it's actually gonna be at the church.

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My wife grew up at so looking forward to doing that and anyway I've smoked a lot of meat this week.

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That's another another development for those who are concerned about the personal life of John Harris I'm to the point

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I mean I could always go for smoked meat But I'm to the point now where I'm like, I'm pretty good. Like I had my brisket.

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I had my ribs I had my pork and I think I've smoked like four times in the last two weeks.

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So Anyway, God is good. God is good. And I want to talk about this

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Eclipse Like I said before we do just a few items of business. I want to get to just real quick I need to remind people because I forget to do this that I do have some speaking engagements coming up In Boise, Idaho April 27th through April 28th.

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I'm gonna be at the stand firm conference and You can go on my you know John Harris podcast podcast comm and you can find the links for this stuff if you want to register, but that's coming up Soon and then st.

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Croix Falls, Wisconsin May 4th through 5th for the be not conformed conference And of course st

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Croix Falls might sound like that's a small town because it is but it's actually an hour outside the Twin Cities area so it's not far and and then of course

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I've added some some new things. So I actually have more that I'm gonna be adding in the fall, but September the fundamentals conference camp of the woods.

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I mean when you're like 16 and the people that you're gonna be with They're 18 to 22 You're gonna likely follow their lead and and of course some parents are worried that could put their kids in compromising situations

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We already have comments coming in about this. We have Wojak91 saying there's an eclipse every 18 months somewhere in the world.

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Hey, don't ruin it man. Don't ruin it Thank you on bright off go hard for 199

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They said I'm installing a window blind right now for the eclipse and then you have

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Let's see, Jennifer Sanders says no, absolutely not. Absolutely not what that scripture means

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Yeah, I would agree. That's not what the scripture means and then Wojak again said

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Western Christians got to stop thinking we're in the center of the universe That's actually a perceptive comment. It's like there is an odd.

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I don't know even how to Frame it how to talk about it how to describe it.

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I actually can't describe it, but it's still hard to categorize it's a very odd kind of theology that's grown up in certain quarters of Christianity in the

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United States that sees The United States somehow at like the center of biblical prophecy along with Israel It's like there's kind of the sense that the

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United States is somewhat you know chosen I guess they made a covenant to and they're they're kind of like right along there with Israel and I think there's a whole bunch of other things that this goes along with but this episode is not for that This episode is really because I want to I want to play for you a video that I saw now

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Let me let me just back up like one step. I don't talk about this stuff much You know, if you're a listener,

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I don't talk about I avoid this stuff and there's a few reasons one Is I don't actually consider it that interesting.

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That's personal That's not a slight against anyone who's interested in prophecy because the

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Bible's filled with it So I'm very positive towards people who want to dig into that stuff a lot of the people who are like the trend

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I see right now is a lot of people going from pre mill to post mill and I feel like I like that was a little fad that I kind of Nothing.

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I didn't really go through it. But it was it was a challenge to the eschatology I grew up with like 15 years ago.

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And so I Just the arguments given and stuff I like I already heard them and stuff and it just it wasn't compelling to me and I Don't I just never liked the discussions about it that much okay, they weren't that interesting because because here's the thing this is more my personality and what

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I'm focused on is What does God want me to do here? And now what's the point?

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Like why? Why should I even be concerned about prophecy? Well, it's because it's to Prepare us for what's to come but what is to come?

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Well, ultimately it's Christ coming back no matter which flavor of eschatology you believe and I think that's the whole point of prophecy

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Period is to be prepared to live your life now in accordance to the laws and the rules of Christ and and every theological

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Eschatological stripe would have that in common now, of course Ones that have more of a sense of imminency

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I suppose you could say they have more of that but even if you don't have that even if you're You know post -tribulation or historic pre -mill or something, you know, like there's still like certain things that are gonna happen

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But they're leading up to this consummation So anyway, I've seen this divide a lot of people in ways that I just like right now with everything going on politically, especially but the political threats that are really

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Religio political threats on that are they're threatening the church. They're threatening Christians I want to see a united front and I want to know what

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God has to say, right? And and and so ethics have become more important to me than eschatology for that for answering that question

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That's the main reason so it's personality driven. It's also a there's a practical thing going on there That's why I don't talk about it a lot.

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Maybe I should Some of you have really wanted me to this episode. I'm gonna talk about it though for one reason and that's that is

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Somehow it came across my feed on YouTube a video. I'm gonna play it for you. It's not that long

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From a show called flashpoint and it was this guy Talking about the kookiest ideas and I'm just gonna say it.

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They're crazy in my opinion. They're just like nuts and It sounds I guess if you don't really

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I don't even know who is like, that's what I thought after I was like who is attracted to what this guy's saying.

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I guess what he's saying is Just bonkers and then I looked and it was like well over a hundred thousand people had watched this video

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I thought what and so I shouldn't be that surprised but I went on YouTube and I just typed in day of our sign of Jonah eclipse and Then my eyes were open and I saw a wall in fact

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I think I have it queued up if you guys want to see like what I what I saw here. So That's not it

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Here, so there was a wall of just video video after video about this

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Eclipse and all the different theories and you see in this one, there's you know, Islamic terror the

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Islamic terror That's a terror eclipse. And so and people have all these different spins on it in this one.

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They're trying to connect The two last solar eclipses that were full solar eclipses and then one

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I guess that we had I think in 2023 that was a partial eclipse, but So they have you know, that's that's one of them that only has like 11 ,000 views or something

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Is that am I right on that? No, no, I'm not right on that. I don't know how many views that one has.

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Oh, I'm sorry over 200 ,000 views Yeah, there you go. This one urgent prophetic insight the nation and eclipse and a sign of Jonah 134 ,000 views

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You got you have 67 ,000 views seven connections with the sign of Jonah and and it just goes on and on and on 314 ,000 views now, you know, you could say in the grand scheme.

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This isn't like, you know, this is a niche but you know Even being a niche like there's a lot of people a lot of Christians that are really curious about the significance of this clip

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Prophetically, so the one that came across my feed was from this show. Like I said Flashpoint it's on the victory channel on YouTube and The title is

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April 8th eclipse the sign of Jonah with Troy Brewer and I don't know who Troy Brewer is I've never heard of them. Apparently he's got somewhat of a following but the thing that I Bothered me about what you're about to hear and what

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I'm about to present to you and and hopefully debunk is This This is a grand waste in my opinion of resources of interest of time of Like there's

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Christians out there who are boy that Jesus taught the you know, the basic things

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Who know what the gospel is they can share that they can disciple people they can use their spiritual gifts in the church and It just occurred to me that there are many who get so wrapped up in this kind of thing

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It takes away the resources that the church could have that their communities could have that their families could have a the involvement

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They would normally have Isn't there the more they get obsessed with this and I say obsessed because this video

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I think shows an obsession like like like there's way too much thought and time being put into an attempt and to Build some kind of a case that this is this very significant sign rather than just Observing it and letting whatever happens happens and if the

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Lord is gonna do something if the Lord is showing something then just Hey like paying attention in just like a very

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I don't know I don't say normal way like not Getting so like like like if you take this number and you divide it by this and you go back in time and you look

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At this and you see like it's it's insane. It's insane And I'm gonna show you example if you don't know what I'm talking about you will soon so I think that's my that's why it bothers me because we need all hands on deck for the real fights that are out there for the real battle the real spiritual battle and Also the political battles and this the cultural battle and these things are actually somewhat connected.

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There's overlap there and And this just distracts people. It's a it's a waste of time

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So why would I spend the time on something I say is a waste of time? Well, it's to try to maybe snap some people out of it.

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Maybe I'm hoping with the tags I put on this video and the fact that this is a really hot topic in some circles it will

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The the algorithms on YouTube will favor it and maybe there will be some people who are caught up in this kind of thing that will

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Maybe their eyes will be opened a little bit and this will be an inspiration to hey snap out of it, man Snap out of it.

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Enjoy the Eclipse. Enjoy what God's put up there and You know live your life for Christ and don't get so caught up in these in this crazy stuff that is so extra biblical so one last comment because Vaughn Bry off go hard says

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Jennifer governor Holcomb declared a state of emergency over the Eclipse here in Indiana. No joke I would not doubt it because you know, my so I know in my area like people travel to this area a lot and they're not this weekend because everyone's going to where the

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Eclipse is and you know, of course they want to see an eclipse and this one happens to be going right across the center of the country and it's going across places that Don't normally have they don't have the infrastructure to handle the large amounts of people that are coming out

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And you know if I remember correctly, I mean the last one also went across the country too and there were problems along those lines

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I don't know if it was as heartland. I don't know. I can't remember but either way so Let's start out

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I'm gonna start playing this video for you and then I'm just gonna go into why I think this is not something we should be following as believers and what it frankly it makes us even look kooky and I mean my wife

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I One last thing one last thing. I got to just say this my wife and I were talking last night about How some Christians can really get like afraid like there's a fear and I think this is the second component to why

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I want to Do this like like there's judgment coming and and we got to be prepared and this we get a stack up on this and that and it's always wise to stock up for emergencies and stuff, but Like like there's an anxiety that Christians have about stuff like this

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Judgments coming and what you know, are we gonna escape it? And it looks from the outside.

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It looks kind of crazy Like it looks you know, there's there's things the features the Christian faith that are gonna be crazy, right?

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You believe a man rose from the dead, right? there's there's things like that that are features the Christian faith that some people are going to consider crazy, but this is like not a

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Basic tenet of the Christian faith. This is just like people, you know stocking up on toilet paper and MREs and bunk, you know getting a bunker mentality because of some really fringy odd Presentation that doesn't make sense from someone who says allegedly that they are, you know

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Prophetic forecasters, but they're not looking at the Bible they're looking at all these other things that inform supposedly their understanding of the

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Bible that are just like out there and And it ought not to be we ought not to have this anxiety

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We and so it's not like non -believers have anxiety. Obviously, it's like a big problem

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You just look at the reactions, you know to what what happens if Donald Trump gets reelected. We're gonna lose everything We're gonna women are gonna be just killed and there's people who believe this and they're freaking out and So I'm not saying this is unique to Christians, but Christians we as Christians.

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We need to be mature realize the Lord's in control Have joy Realize even if judgment comes and everything the

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Lord is coming back, you know Practice some basic common sense But we have to be the kinds of people that are resolute that have faith that are stable in these kinds of circumstances

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So all that to say Let's let's just get into it because I just need to start or else I'm gonna just have 18 minutes in and I'm just like giving all my

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I've unloaded my My emotional like thoughts about all this, but let me get to like some hard and fast

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Like this is what is being said and this is why I think it's wrong a lot of talk out there ladies and gentlemen about this eclipse that comes on April 8th, and you're gonna get every type of Concept every theory some say oh you people are overreacting others will be like go dig a hole and climb in it

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You know, there's a lot so I want to I don't have time to dig into this This is where your research is gonna have to help you

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But I want okay. I want to just point out whoever this host is your research is gonna have to help you

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He doesn't have time to dig into it. Well, he's gonna then have someone on the show to just dig into it. So I Took him at his word and I just said, alright,

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I'll research some of this want to Troy you recently posted a video You were on our friends of a day star and yet over a million people already

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Well over a million already watch it. So what is that? So over a million people have watched this message

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I think that was the other thing that made me realize okay Like this has to be addressed and I don't see people addressing it.

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So tell you about where people in America are today Well, people are actually looking for answers because Because the word is out that this is a serious warning and I mean, you know

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Trucks are not being allowed to be able to drive and like schools are being let out The National Guard is being released that's never happened before at any cliffs before because okay, let's just stop right there

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He's this is one of the things about the video like I you know Troy Brewer is the kind of guy you would probably like never want to debate because he's it's like David Barton or I try to Think there's like Ben Shapiro's like this where they just spit all these like Facts or these these pieces of information really because they're not facts necessarily

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But they beat these pieces of information in a sequence and like while you're trying to figure out like the first piece of it

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They're already on to something else And so if you want to follow their argument, you have to just kind of accept all the information they're giving you

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Troy Brewer's like this and so So it's better to slow down.

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This is why reading sometimes is better than watching videos to be honest with you It's better to slow down and be able to hit the pause button and say wait a minute.

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What did he just say? So you heard him just make a claim that you people the words out the judgments coming people people know this

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You know just people in general apparently know this like I didn't know this but apparently people in this country know this based on the

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Eclipse and the reason is his evidence is Because of the fact that schools are shutting down and truckers aren't being allowed to to truck anymore tomorrow

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I guess tomorrow is Sunday, but they're not being allowed to drive their trucks and and and then

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The National Guard's being called in in certain places now He's not specific about this and this isn't universal as you'll find out

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But this is the claim sort of the generally claims claim that he makes that the reason is the evidence

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I guess people are they know that judgments coming or they know something's up spiritually speaking so this is what

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This is what I just did, you know, I feel basic like Google searches or whatever search engine

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I use to find this but This is the first thing why it's a story from two weeks ago

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Why is the National Guard's nuclear unit poised for solar eclipse? And so this was apparently something going on in social media

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They're saying hey, there's a nuclear unit. It was tick -tock, you know, 22 members. I'm an elite chemical biological radiological and nuclear units

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It's getting wild. They're they're gonna be Deployed during the solar eclipse What could this mean in Oklahoma?

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and of course the article goes on to basically explain that hey, like there's a lot of people showing up in,

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Oklahoma and This is not an uncommon thing If you have large groups of people, they just want to make sure that everything is that the peace is kept

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I mean you think about it for a city like you have a certain amount of police officers that you know for per capita and If you have a swell of people you don't have the amount of police officers

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You don't have the infrastructure to even take care of like crime related things. So that's why they're being deployed It's for emergency management.

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It's for the roads It's for you know, there could be you know, the crime whatever like when you just have a large group of people

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You have the possibility of problems. So that's what this article essentially says Trucks banned on a

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Texas. It's not everywhere. But in Texas Truck spans on the road in more than 80 counties why because people are showing up there

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It's it's going to let the whole article is basically like there's gonna be a huge traffic jam Basically, and we're trying to ease the amount of people on the road

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Let's see, what else you have schools, you know closure schools letting out well you have schools letting out and Because they want to give children the opportunity to see the eclipse.

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That's my summation of this article now His other claim is that well this didn't happen This did not happen in 2017 when we had a solar eclipse then

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Actually, it did so you go back to 2017 the National Guard's website, South Carolina National Guard other states prepare for total eclipse

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You have us USA Today schools out for the eclipse Why classes canceled for many in the south on August 21st, if you remember correctly

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August isn't you know 21st? Well, maybe kids are back to school. I don't know but either way That that did happen and then you have let's see what else you have the

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DOT Saying that on Monday the 21st with the solar

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With a first total solar eclipse visible to the continental US in nearly 40 years Many states in the path of the eclipse have supplied restrictions to truckers

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Wow So 14 states will see the eclipse The DOT of the

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US also issued tips as well as warnings for truckers So, you know, this is one of the things that you have to like think in context your historical context 2017 was the first time in what 40 years it said and we have we're a different country than we were 40 years ago and So now it's 47 years ago.

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And so now we have this solar eclipse. We've probably learned lessons from 2017 Don't you think maybe 2017 we learned hey maybe it is good to maybe put more restrictions on the truckers and stuff because this is how people behave now under an eclipse so Like none of what this guy just said is true

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That's this Troy Brewer guy. None of what he said is true. None of it and you're gonna find this pattern repeat itself over and over there is a sobering

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Agenda or a sobering word man that actually goes with this and even ungodly people are picking this up the church

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However, even though we're late bloomers to this revelation we have finally come into agreement that God does speak through the

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Sun and the moon and the stars as Jesus prophesied in Luke chapter 21 that he would and we're actually starting to see that These kinds of messages you cannot deny them and you cannot ignore them.

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So you need to know what it is Now he makes another claim here that Christians are late There were late too and I don't and it's kind of ambiguous whether he's talking about this eclipse or whether he's talking about this general category of Realizing that the

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Sun and the moon and the stars There there's signs that are accompanying them. So I don't know which one but like if it's about the eclipse tomorrow

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That's so you have a bunch of ungodly people or I should say non -christians. I don't know exactly who he's talking about I guess it would be non -christians have to be so you have a bunch of ungodly people who

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Apparently get the message They understand that judgments coming because they're shutting down roads and letting schools out and this kind of thing

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But we're not Christians aren't you know, we're really late in understanding this and that just seems like an unsubstantiated claim

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I don't know where you would get that if he's talking about like though Christians are late to the game and you know Realizing the

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Sun moon and the stars Are significant their patterns and stuff. I have a suspicion and it gets

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I think a little Maybe this is confirmed later on in the video, but like he's talking about other religions

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Engage in astrology, that's the only thing I can think they engage in astrology Christians are kind of late to the game. Well, yeah, we would be because Christianity forbids that kind of thing.

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That would make sense, right? So So I want to just give you some background some some background on these passages and we'll get into some more passages as we go but Let's start with what he quotes here he quotes

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Let's see here. He doesn't quote from I have a bunch of scriptures here I'm trying to debate how long

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I want to take on this But let's just read them and then we'll see how long I wanted to spend discussing them. But Isaiah 13 6 through 11

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Whale for the day of the Lord is near it will come as destruction from the Almighty Therefore all hands will fall limp and every man's heart will melt.

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They will be terrified pains and anguish will take hold of them They will ride like a woman in labor

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They will look at an one another in astonishment their faces of flame Behold the day of the

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Lord is coming cruel with fury and burning anger. You think this is talking about judgment? This is yes to make the land of desolation

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Now what land? This is a good question to what land? Flynn this is a message to to who now in context this would be to Israel.

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Okay He will exterminate its sinners from it For the stars of heaven and their constellations will not flash forth their light

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The Sun will be dark when it rises and the moon will not shed its light thus I will punish the world for its evil and the wicked for their iniquity and I will also put an end to the arrogance of the proud and abase the haughtiness of the ruthless

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You have now that I put yeah, I put acts up here as well. Let me go in sequential order though here you have

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Matthew Chapter 24 and Mark says much the same thing but it says but immediately after the tribulation of those days the

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Sun will be darkened and The moon will not give its light and the stars will fall from the sky And the power of the heavens will be shaken and then the sign of the

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Son of Man will appear in the sky And then all the tribes of the earth will mourn and they will see the

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Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet and he will gather together his elect from the four winds from one end of the sky to the other

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I Mean you have Luke 21 Says there will be signs. This is sort of parallel passage.

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I think they will be there'll be signs in In Sun and Moon and stars and on the earth dismay among nations and perplexity at the roaring of the sea and the waves men fainting from fear and The expectation of the things which are coming upon the world for the powers of the heavens will be shaken

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Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud and with power and great glory But when things begin to take place straighten up and lift your heads because your redemption draw is drawing near and then last but not least

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An axe to Peter is quoting Joel here, but he says it shall be in the last days I'll pour out my spirit your sons and your daughters shall prophesy and then but it gets it keeps going and he says that There will be the

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Sun in verse 20 will be turned into darkness and the moon into blood before the great and glorious day of Lord shall come and it shall be that everyone who calls the name of the

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Lord will be saved And so here's the question if these are all describing the same event

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They seem to be describing something that takes place before Christ comes back right and so there so you have would have dispensationalist

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I suppose in Matthew saying that you know, this is before the rapture you would have other flavors of eschatology saying this is

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Before the second coming but you know, whatever Whatever the circumstance of these verses broadly speaking

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Everyone would agree there's judgment and that this accompanies somehow and then there's a deliverance.

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Okay, and so That's that's really all we have on the like the

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Sun moon and the stars and you know Basically that the common thread seems to be there's going to be a darkness you're not going to be able to see them like you saw them before and So you have

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Some I dug into some early church. Well, yeah. Yeah. I mean I have one here that I want to share with you I looked at some others but to Turley and I was like,

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I'll just let him sort of be the representative I guess of early church views on this but he says that The meaning let's see here.

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It says He quotes there should be signs in the Sun and in the moon and the stars Distress of nations with perplexity to see and the waves roaring men's hearts failing them for fear

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For looking after those things which are coming on the earth For it says he the powers of heaven shall be shaken and then shall they see the

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Son of Man coming in the clouds with power and great glory and then he says He spake of its drawing nigh not of its being present already and of those things beginning to come to pass

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Not of there having happened but because they have come to pass then our redemption shall be at hand

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Which is said to be approaching up to that time raising and exciting our minds to what is then the proximate harvest of our hope and so What I want you to see from this is that this is a very general like basically the assumption here is you're gonna know it

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When you see it yeah, like this is gonna be obvious this whole thing's gonna happen together and you're going to notice and Then you you know when this happens then your redemption draws nigh now you see going to the

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Reformation period John Calvin says the tribulation of those days is Improperly interpreted by some commentators to mean the destruction of Jerusalem but on the contrary it is a general

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Recapitulation of all the evils of which Christ has spoken Previously to encourage his followers to patience.

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He employs this arrangement or this argument Sorry that the tribulations will at length have a happy and joyful result

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So long as the church shall continue its pilgrimage in the world There will be dark and cloudy weather but as soon as the end shall have been put to those distresses a day will arrive when the majesty of the church shall be

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Illustriously displayed and what manner the Sun will be darkened. We cannot now conjecture Let me read that again into what manner the

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Sun will be darkened We cannot now conjecture But the events will show He does not indeed mean that the stars will actually fall but according to the apprehension of men and according to Luke only predicts that there will be signs in the

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Sun and the moon and the stars the meaning therefore is that there will be such a violent commotion of The firmament of heaven and the stars themselves will be supposed to fall

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Luke also adds there will be dreadful commotion of the sea the sea and the waves Roaring so that men will faint through fear and alarm in a world all the creatures

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Above and below will be as it were heralds to summon men to that tribunal Which they will continue to treat with ungodly and wanton contempt till the last day

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Then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man Okay, so the this is what I want you to see is that there's sort of this novel

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Approach that that is fairly recent. It seems at least for it to be mainstream. It's recent that We should know when there's an eclipse happening or an earthquake

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I saw some takes on the earthquake that were like this we should know like exactly what that means when it happens and And and and then taking a

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Bible verse like this and then paralleling it and saying it's got to be something it's this right That's a set.

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I mean, that's what that guy suggested Troy brewer. He's saying that He quoted Luke or he at least referenced it and he said that you know when

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Jesus is talking about these signs in the heavens That that's what he's talking about. But here's the thing. He what he wants to do is open the door to Just signs in general

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It seems like like like there's like there's always signs like like Constantly the stars and the

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Sun and the moon these heavenly bodies are all there They're rotating and they're they're doing their thing and we can look up there and it means it's something significant to for what's happening on This earth there's something

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So in this time, it's judgment, but but there's just this general sense in which those things parallel things happening on this earth but that's not what you actually read in Luke what you read in Luke is something very specific and It's it's something that the early church fathers and the

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Reformers would have said Yeah, you'll know it when you see it. Like it's not something you don't have to speculate about it or like this is a

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Catastrophic thing that happens. This isn't that they don't take this passage and think like well, this is just a general open door to Trying to speculate about what kinds of events might correlate on this earth with the stars or vice versa

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What events happening in the heavens correlate with events on this earth, that's not what the passage says the passage is very specific about this cataclysmic event that comes before the return of Christ, so That's how this was historically taken and now this is how this passage is abused and it's hard to see that abuse when you

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Have someone like Troy Buehler Brewer, I think he's talking so fast and he's giving you so much information and it sounds biblical

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He quotes a scripture. He references something and you just kind of like, oh, okay, but this is novel This is not how these passages traditionally have been viewed

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All right. So we're gonna hit just some of the highlights of this folks here. Watch at home I want you to do your own research and dig into the

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Bible yourself and you just Which is the best advice this program has had.

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What did a great scripture in Luke 21. You also quoted Genesis 1 14 We talked a lot about Heavens to denote seasons in the calendar and days or years

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But you reminded us that the the first thing Mentioned is that the heavens will bring us is signs for those that might not pay attention to all of that What are the why are these signs?

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Significant and what denotes a sign? Okay, let's stop right there. Actually, you know it let's continue Let's hear what he says and then let's talk about signs from Genesis chapter 1

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So a sign is is a prophetic declaration and it's it literally spells something out for us and so Whenever in in Genesis 1 14 as you just mentioned on the fourth day that God created the material universe

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He didn't create the Sun and Moon and the stars for light. Remember he already had light on the first second third day

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It was already there, but rather he created them for signs Seasons days and years and the word season there

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Of course is Moadim and it actually means prophetic appointment or the or the prophetic timing of things

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So God uses the heavens as a supernatural timepiece to show us what we ought to do

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It's always been like that and the church is just now catching up with it, and I'm very very grateful for it

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Okay, it's all like that was the key thing that he just said it's always been like that and the church is just now

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We're catching up apparently like with this idea that the Sun Moon and stars are giving us signs and seasons

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Well, that's a curious thing since we've had this in the first chapter of our Bible Why would we just now be catching up to it?

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Why are we've been in disobedience for that long like what or we've just been ignorant. How is this possible?

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Well, let me Let me give you some I have a bunch of quotes here on Genesis 1 14 that God gave the

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Sun Moon the stars for For signs and for seasons for days and for years. Here's what and I have a survey of a bunch of Just listen to these guys are not inspired by the

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Holy Spirit to give us direct revelation from God So obviously I'm not saying that but this is how church history has interpreted this

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Cyril of Jerusalem They ought to have felt astonishment and admiration not only at the arrangement of Sun and Moon but also at the well -ordered choirs of the stars their unimpended courses in their risings in the seasons due to each and how some are signs of summer and others of winter and how some mark the season for sowing and others show the

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Commencement of navigation and that's what you'll find throughout the Old Testament, by the way signs just it's points to something That's what a sign does.

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It's that's what it is. It could be something prophetic It could be in the Psalms, you know

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The same word is used to denote, you know a banner like a sign for like an army like you raise your sign

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Like it just signals something so it's a general word. It's not specific

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It doesn't have to be prophetic in in the sense of which Troy Brewer is talking about it

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But anyway, he goes on he says and a man sitting in his ship and sailing amid the boundless waves steers his ship by looking

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At the stars for these matters the scripture says well and let them be for signs and for seasons over years

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Not not it says for fables of astrology and Nativities. All right.

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So here's Cyril of Jerusalem. This is early church saying that that's what that means It's talking about navigation.

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It's talking about seasons when the plant that's the sign part. It's not astrology It's not looking at the stars and then trying to figure out based on them.

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What's going to happen on earth. It's it's It's knowing that there's patterns by which we govern our lives and there's feast days associated with those things and and so that's what it means

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Athanasius Early church father thus the Sun has the authority to shine throughout the day and no more and the moon through the night and the stars together with them

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Accomplish the seasons and years and become for signs each according to the need that calls for it

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Thus to the earth is not for all things but for the fruits only and to be ground to tread on For the living things that inhabit it and the firmament is to divide between waters and waters and to be place

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To set the stars in okay. So here again natural function natural order what God has set in place

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It's not about specific things that are gonna happen on earth because the moon did this Yeah, Augustine we do not forecast the issues of our enterprises by studying the

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Sun and the moon and The times of the year or the month lest the most trying emergencies of life

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We being dashed against the rocks of a wretched bondage shall make shipwreck of our freedom of will

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So what he's talking about here is we make choices in life And so these choices we were not

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Like like we we don't want to bind ourselves to we can't make a choice because of something that happens

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You were studying the Sun in the moon He goes on he says we do not now observe years and months and seasons lest the words of the

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Apostles apply to us I'm afraid of you lest I have bestowed upon you labor in vain For he blames those who say

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I will not set out today because it is an unlucky day or because the moon is so -and -so Or I will go today that things may prosper with me because the position of the stars is this or that I will do no business this month because of a particular star that rules it or I will do business because another star has succeeded in Its place.

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I will not plan a vineyard this year because it's leap year so so these are all things the Pagans do and he's saying it would be in it if if you ministered to people and they converted to Christianity and then they went and did this your labor would be in vain because they're

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Actually contradicting what Christianity teaches they're operating based on really based on astrology, but it's a it's a superstition that undergirds this and He's saying that actually violates the freedom of will that God expects you to make decisions not based on that But based on other factors his moral law, for example so he says no man of Ordinary sense would however suppose that those men deserve reproof for studying the seasons who say

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I will not set out today Because a storm has begun he said that's a different thing, right? Or I will not put out to sea because the winter is not yet passed or it is

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Time to sow my seed for the earth has been saturated with the showers of autumn and so on and in regard to any other natural effect of the motion and moisture of the atmosphere which have been observed in connection with that consummately ordered revolution of the heavenly bodies

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Concerning which it was said when they were made let them be for signs and for seasons for days and for years.

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So Augustin St. Augustine What he's saying is that you can look at the heavens

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You can see certain things that will indicate for you what time of the year it is and whether you should plant or whether You should go out to sea and and that is valid.

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That is wisdom. That's why God gave us these stars He did not give us these stars so that we would be superstitious so that we would you know

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Think that because one star is favored over another in the night sky this month

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We can't do business and it means that's astrology and that is against the Christian faith. That's what Augustine is saying now

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Here's John Calvin right Reformation era John Calvin says I must however in a few words state the reason why

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Moses calls them signs because certain Inquisitive persons abuse this passage to give color to their frivolous predictions sound familiar

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Sounds like what we're hearing from Troy Brewer. I call those men Chaldeans and fanatics

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I mean, this is a stiff charge Calvin is saying they're they're Chaldeans. They're they're pagans Who divine everything from the aspects of the stars because Moses declares that the

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Sun and the moon were appointed for signs They think themselves entitled to elicit from them anything they please

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But computation is easy for they are called signs of certain things not signs to denote whatever is according to our fancy What indeed does

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Moses assert to be signet signified by them except things belong to the order of nature? For the same

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God who here ordained signs testifies by Isaiah that he will dissipate the signs of the diviners and Forbids us to be dismayed at the signs of heaven.

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So what's Calvin saying? He's quoting Isaiah 44 Jeremiah 10. He's saying that the pagan nations he calls in the

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Chaldeans These pagan places are the places where they were engaging in astrology and superstition and He tells

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Christians do not be dismayed in other words don't be discouraged don't lose hope or don't be scared or don't think that you have to prepare because This sign is coming about and this is what that sign means because the

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Sun's doing this or the moon's doing this he's saying that's Not why God made these things God put these things there for another reason that reason was because they have there's patterns associated with them and they

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They are called signs for certain things not signs to denote whatever is according to our fancy So the certain things would be like and I think he goes on I have the quote cut off But it denotes the time when you're going to feast, you know time of harvest these kinds of things

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John Gill last one for signs of the good and bad weather for the signs of plowing sowing and reaping and for the seasons of the summer and winters spring and autumn for days by a circular motion of the space of 24 hours and for years by annual motion for the space of 365 days and odd hours

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John Gill now, let me say this there are people out there Who and I've seen this in other biblical commentaries who think it's the

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Zodiac in Genesis 1. It's the Zodiac It's talking about well if that's true, which

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I don't think it is at all you you have to Grapple with the fact that Christians for the last 2 ,000 years mainstream

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I'm talking about The the church fathers the reformers the the people we all look to they didn't take it that way in fact they contradicted it and they said that was pagan and and furthermore it is pagan because that's what the surrounding nations were were using and That's what they were doing to figure out

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What was gonna happen on earth? All right, so that's that's what how this passage has been taken

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And then you got someone like Troy Brewer here Who's basically he's admitting everything when he says well

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Christians, you know They weren't on board with this until recently finally, they're on board and they're seeing yeah, finally they're on board with paganism

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That's basically what he's saying Okay, let's keep going all right, so we all know if we've paid attention at all there was a an eclipse in 2017 that went from the upper northwest to the southeast and Now we've got this one coming in so kind of quickly run down.

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What is so significant about these two eclipses? Well, thank you, sir

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I first of all, you know the idea and we we might make the mistake of thinking Hey, this happens all the time.

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This has happened eight times in the United States This next one will be the eighth time since 1776 and the last time that we had a full solar eclipse that went from one end of the nation to the other that only touched

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America was in fact in 1776 which of course is a year of the birth of our nation

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So this is a national word and whenever God speaks through the Sun through these eclipses, he's always talking to a nation

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Okay, so it's like when God wants to speak a national word and get get their attention in the heavens He uses the

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Sun to do that the significance of these two eclipses is Number one, they are seven years apart and the first one, of course

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The first of these two eclipses Happened on the first of Elul on the Hebrew calendar and that means the month of repentance and 40 days after the after the first day of Elul is

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Judgment day and so that's why it's the sign of Jonah the prophet because on the first of Elul way back 700 some odd years before King Jesus There's the greatest

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Syrian eclipse and that was the day that Jonah walked into there And so they got they knew exactly what the message was was that they had 40 days to repent

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So we see this happen and then as this hour and 33 minute event took place

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The totality of that of that shadow across seven cities that was called Salem and that speaks of seven years apiece

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I'm gonna stop right here because he said a mouthful and I want to just talk about a few of the things that he said so If you can go on Wikipedia if you want you can go

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I mean, that's the first place that came up list of solar eclipses visible from the United States What did he say that there we've only had seven

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I think since 1776 and they're all significant. They correlate was like us I mean, I he didn't give like why they're significant, but here's the thing like I don't think that's true

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So if you go so I don't and he didn't specify whether it was Annular or total eclipses, but let's just say total even if you just talk about total eclipses

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There's more than seven and the reason for that is you have 50 states and You have even have

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Alaska right you have states that have there's eclipses They experience eclipses that are far away from other states that you do not experience those eclipses

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So if you're talking about the whole United States, I haven't counted them, but it's way more than seven and it this happens fairly frequently and and and so I don't know

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I'm just like This is not something that's You know, it's free like frequent enough in the grand scheme of things frequent enough and like, you know, we're talking about centuries this happens and it's not something that's like super super significant because it only like like he wants to give you an impression like There were seven times that happened and every time something like crazy happens that correlated with that He doesn't say what but I'm just telling you this is a regular pattern.

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This is something that happens quite a bit and Then let's see, what did I want to go to here?

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He talks about the sign of Jonah. Okay, so Matthew 12 and Matthew 12, I'll just read it It says that some of the scribes and Pharisees said to him teacher

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We want to see a sign from you But he answered and said to them an evil and adulterous generation craves for a sign and yet no sign will be given

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But the sign of Jonah the prophet for just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster So will the

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Son of Man? be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth and the men of Nineveh will stand up and with this generation at The judgment and will condemn it because they repented at the preaching of Jonah and behold something greater than Jonah is here now

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I want to focus on something verse 38 says the Pharisees were the ones who wanted to see a sign and This seems like the

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Troy Brewers crowd want to see a sign which was kind of like It sort of alluded to but that was kind of like condemned like that wasn't they shouldn't be looking for that Did you seek for signs right?

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So like bringing this passage up not exactly the greatest thing for him to be bring up to argue for his point, but It goes on and Jesus makes clear that the sign of Jonah Is his resurrection right

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Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster So the Son of Man will be three nights and three nights in the heart of the earth Oh, it's the fact that Jesus died and then he what he came back to life

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Jonah was in the belly of the sea monster and then he was spit out from that sea monster and So that was considered something that was that would have been somewhat miraculous, right?

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So that's what's going on here. That's the sign That's the sign you're going to get you're gonna get a sign Pharisees. That's gonna be the sign

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I'm gonna be I'm gonna rise from the dead and And you're gonna be judged because you're gonna reject it

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He's already predicting they're going to reject the sign that he has for them now. How is this

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Eclipse then the sign of Jonah? I Don't know whether a lunar eclipse, you know the passage doesn't

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Jonah doesn't talk about this people have said and speculated that there was a Eclipse that persuaded the people of Nineveh to repent.

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Okay, whatever whether that's true or not How in the world

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Does what Jesus just said the sign of Jonah is correlate like what what miracle is there that's happening?

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that then like like who's coming to Do a miracle like that's equivalent to Jonah or what

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Jesus went through That we are supposed to accept and if we don't we're under judgment Now the miracles already happened the sign of Jonah has already been given.

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That's kind of the point. It's it's been here It doesn't you don't need the Eclipse. How does he clip like he doesn't argue for any of this.

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He just tries to make correlations but correlation doesn't mean causation court just because something's correlated with one another doesn't

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Necessarily mean that those two things are related in a significant way Just because there might have been an eclipse during the time of Jonah doesn't mean that another eclipse happens

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And this is very clearly also the sign of Jonah I think that's one of the reasons he has to try to bolster his argument with another a number of other very bad arguments

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So if you get enough bad arguments together, then maybe it'll sound impressive enough that you know

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Like I didn't think of that. It must be really must be something else. So here's the other bad arguments

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Where it began was Salem, Oregon as you can see and where it ended was at Fort Sumter Which is where the

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Civil War began. So it ends where the Civil War Begins, okay. This is the one in 2017.

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So now he's going back and he's saying it's not just this Eclipse That's about to happen tomorrow. That's the sign.

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It's also the one in 2017. They're both signs Together they're signs apparently and then you see how there's other

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YouTube channels saying no, it's not just those two There's another Eclipse and all of these are that what you know, whatever okay, so he's saying it's these two and his reason is this map that shows that That that you have.

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Hey, it went through these these towns called Salem. Now if you look I don't know if I have this pulled up You could easily pull it up though.

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Let me see if I can find it Towns. Oh, here we go. All right. How many cities are named are called

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Salem in the United States? How many cities how many do you think? Apparently someone tried to count them up and Do they have a final number here?

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Well, there's a bunch of them. There's a bunch of them here So I'm not a 32.

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There's 32 cities. Apparently that are named Salem. Okay, according to this Answers .com

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which who knows maybe there's more but there's at least 32 So it comes you have an eclipse come across the

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United States Say there was six or seven cities that named Salem and it and Salem means peace and that means something

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That we must like take from that. Well there that the chances of that happening aren't like that low like that there's enough cities named

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Salem that that could definitely happen and Then you have to make the leap of like Salem means peace and because it means peace.

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It's somehow significant for this Prophecy it ends at Fort Sumter.

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He says it ends if you look at the map here Let me see if I can go back to it

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Where it began was Salem, Oregon as you can see and where it ended was at Fort Sumter Okay, so it goes over Fort Sumter and that's where the

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Civil War began now There could be some debate on where it actually began. That's the official like people say that's that's the official beginning.

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I can buy that shirt I there was violence before then there were other forts taken there.

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There was riots in Baltimore There was you know, that's not the declaration of war was a few days after that.

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I just I'm like, okay, like let's I'll buy that. I'll buy it.

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Sure. Let's grant him that but what's the significance of that? Which is where the Civil War began so it ends where the

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Civil War Begins Wow now eight years later. No, not

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Wow. There's there's no Wow in that. Sorry. That's not a Wow Which is going to be on the 8th of April We have another eclipse that goes all the way across our nation and it begins at Eagle Pass Texas and that was where the last

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Confederate general Buried the last Confederate flag that's called

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Shelby and it's you know Shelby Park is on you know all the news today

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Well, that's that's actually named after a confederate general a confederate general called

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Shelby and friends This is where the Civil War actually ended. Okay, that's not true.

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That's not true That is not where the Civil War ended now there's a few different places that you could pull from that you could try to make the case the

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Civil War ended but Most people say Appomattox courthouse, right? That's where the

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Civil War ended Well, that was just the surrender of Lee's army There were still other armies and it's hard for us to conceive of this because we're so centralized now

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But they there was you you had other states and regions that had armies you had Stan weighty

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I think was one of the last he might have been the last in Oklahoma. I think he was last Confederate general to Surrender and it was much later

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You also had there was a boat. I can't remember the name of it But they were the it was the last military unit in the

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Confederacy to surrender and they surrendered to the British and it was like November of 1865 those were you could look at any of those dates you could look at when

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Andrew Johnson Officially said the Civil War was over and use any of those and say that's this is the place.

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This is the time No one I have ever heard of has said Eagle Pass, Texas Eagle Pass, Texas.

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Have you ever seen there's a John Wayne movie? Loosely based on this called the undefeated and it's about a bunch of Confederates Soldiers who cross over the border into Mexico to basically escape the destruction of their civilization and they join

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They start fighting against I forget in that movie I think it's against Napoleon or something but or with Napoleon with the

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French against the I don't remember but You know, they're undefeated. They were known as the undefeated

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That's what the movie is title is because you know, they never actually surrendered and there was like a thousand of them well

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That's what Eagle that's the significance of Eagle Pass, Texas for the Civil War They didn't actually like you could actually say they didn't end because in a way they didn't surrender

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So this guy's making this up because it fits He's got to make it fit somehow and that's how he makes it fit and he also says oh no

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And that's also where we're having a debate currently about state and federal authority because it's the border issue

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And so there's gonna be a civil war. He's about to say that there's gonna be a civil war today based on all of this

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Hopefully you're already starting to see how kind of cuckoo this is So the first one ended where the Civil War begins the second one begins

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Where this where the Civil War ended and then they both go all it doesn't begin there because it goes through Mexico Beforehand, you're only thinking of the

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United States way across the nation and this one actually goes over seven cities called Nineveh now it actually goes over eighth one in Nova Scotia, Canada But it begins with Jonah, Texas and then it goes through Nineveh, Texas and then it passes through seven cities

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That's actually called Nineveh. It's like what is that? It goes through a lot of cities. It goes through hundreds of cities and Apparently this has been debunked.

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I didn't do a lot of research on this because I didn't really care but if you go to What a lead stories,

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I don't know It says fact -check the April 8th Eclipse will not pass over eight North American cities named

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Nineveh. Apparently, that's not true so So so anyway, that's that he has to make it fit and he's got to make it fit by Somehow tying it to Jonah somehow in ways that are not even that interesting.

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It's like okay So what it went goes over cities named Nineveh. What's the significance of that was a sign of Jonah? We already established the sign of Jonah has already like That that came and went like what this doesn't match what

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Jesus called the sign of Jonah already It doesn't qualify but to try to fit it to make it qualify Let's just throw this fact out there to who and are you

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It's not even a fact though. It's not apparently that's not even true It's the sign of Jonah the prophet that says you need to repent you have to repent

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It's a word of repentance no matter how you look at it and the threat is actually

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Civil war and I don't hear a lot of people talking about that, but it speaks very clearly

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Yeah, because because it's cuckoo. That's why people aren't talking about it You have an idea and then you went and gathered the information to try to make your idea fit and it doesn't fit

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It's a war to me again how where it begins and where it ends both of them speak of a civil war

59:58

Shelby Park is on the news every single day today and it's about the difference between State rights and federal rights to be able to guard our our state that is called,

01:00:09

Texas They both cross over in the land of Lincoln, right? All these things speak of our nation being split

01:00:17

And I think that this is a warning that God Almighty speaking saying repent get your act together or the nation is going to be split apart

01:00:23

So notice how American centric this is not none of this is about Israel this is just about the

01:00:30

United States and the judgment apparently is in a civil war and The proof is also that they cross in Illinois so and Lincoln was he's from Illinois and some say he's from Kentucky but you know

01:00:44

He they claim him they claim him in Illinois, I'll give him that so So anyway

01:00:52

Because he's from there that it's just so like it's such a stretch the whole thing and it's embarrassing frankly

01:00:59

I think I'm embarrassed when I look at this. I'm like this guy is representing Christianity. Like this is so sad It's not just him though.

01:01:05

There's a bunch of people that are doing this kind of thing. It's not biblical guys It's not it's just an imaginative speculations based on frankly what sounds to me somewhat like it's closer to astrology than it is anything prophecy related and it's passing for prophecy and It's a problem.

01:01:23

We can't have this kind of stuff. Well, we I mean we can I guess we have it We've have had it in some forms, but it's just seems like it's getting more and more crazy the more like The I think the more desperate people have become after 2020 and Feeling like the end of their civilization is here.

01:01:42

This is where I guess I'll close I think I'm done with this video for now. So let me just get my kind of closing monologue here People right now are in a situation where if they've lived long enough they have seen their civilization

01:01:56

Come and go it's gone with the wind and they know that they know it's not coming back and that's very hard to live through that's it's it's a cope really that you try to Come up with things like or latch on to things like QAnon like Trump's really got this all figured out and he's gonna punish the bad guys, right?

01:02:13

These are copes I'm not by the way I need to be very clear how I say this because I do

01:02:18

I have Wonderful friends who are post -millennial and I am in no way saying that there's not Good arguments biblically that people use for post -millennialism and there's people trying to In in ways that are appropriate and try, you know grappling with the scripture support a post -millennial view

01:02:37

But I think that the mass like sort of exodus or yeah, I guess from pre millennial to post millennial seems to accompany a

01:02:47

Discouragement about what's happening to our country in the United States and that makes sense to me like just historically there's so many examples of like you look at the

01:02:55

Lakota when they were being destroyed by the US Army and they have these Ghost shirts that they wear and they think it'll stop bullets and the reality is we might be defeated but we're coming back, right?

01:03:05

You see this like in the end of World War two the Nazis were like there's an experimental aircraft out there That's gonna defeat the

01:03:10

Allies even though they're at our gates That's just a normal thing I think when your civilization is being defeated when you when the civilization that you once knew is now

01:03:21

Crashing you want to believe that something at the last minute is gonna come and restore it and sometimes Sometimes that kind of thing happens you think of like the

01:03:29

Polish right in The siege of Vienna, right? Like that it was against all odds the

01:03:35

Muslims the Turks are gonna come and they're gonna take over Europe and then all the court The winged Hussars come and they are defeated.

01:03:40

I mean that there are these last stands that are successful at times So we all want that to be the case.

01:03:47

I think that that's a normal human yearning So to want that and I think actually this is post mill and pre mill people will be

01:03:54

Dispensational people will be mad at me for this baby, but I think there's a similar thing in this in some some

01:04:00

I'm not saying biblical arguments for dispensational pre -millennial ism, but some dispensational Premillennialist people they have the same kind of like wanting this attitude of like they want to be delivered

01:04:11

They know that the world's terrible. They whatever it sometimes our circumstances in their life are and so it's really a nice idea to think like We're just gonna be raptured out of here right or so in either way like we're gonna win

01:04:24

We're gonna be raptured out of here. There's like some deliverance coming and We're long story short.

01:04:29

We're gonna be victorious. And and here's the thing No matter what eschatological flavor you are long story short We are gonna be victorious like that is the end of the book and we can all take encouragement in that but I think in the situation we're in right now, there's just a lot of Figures out there that see the opportunity whether whether they believe in what they're saying or not

01:04:51

Sometimes I suspect they don't and they're just saying because they know it'll get maybe I could be wrong Maybe Troy Brewer really believes what he's saying but they will go out there and they will say these things in part because it does feed this yearning and You will get an audience.

01:05:06

You will get viewers people want to know what's gonna happen in the future They want to know what's coming next. They live through 2020 It's not kind of interesting a lot of the the forecasters miss 2020, isn't it?

01:05:14

They totally missed it the prophetic forecasters out there at least the ones you know, I didn't see anything that was like we know what's gonna happen in 2020 because of the

01:05:22

Sun and it's did like it's Like after the fact they're trying so anyway that that should tell you everything you need to know

01:05:28

But I think that's a lot of the reason why this stuff is popular and as a Christian No matter what your background is just a believer in Jesus Christ I would just want to echo what

01:05:38

Jesus said that there he already gave the sign of Jonah and That is that he did rise from the dead.

01:05:44

We just celebrated it He rose from the dead the evidence is clear that he rose from the dead people don't die for a lie

01:05:49

I mean many of you have heard all the evidences for this and At least a lie they noted to not to not be true and Jesus Jesus's resurrection is a

01:06:04

Sign that this country has had available to them accessible to them for ever

01:06:10

This is a Christianized country. There's Bibles everywhere You know any bookstore and get a Bible the sign is there We don't need an eclipse for that They've already rejected the sign now

01:06:21

Jesus is talking to Jewish people. He's not talking to Americans But if you want to create a parallel that would be your biblical parallel We've had the sign of Jonah too, and we've rejected it if we're going in in the direction that we're kind of sliding

01:06:34

For Christians though We the way that we should view I think first of all in Eclipse and then secondly just the consummation of all things and Eclipse we should view this as part of the signs and seasons days and years the geometrical

01:06:50

The way that the world works and the universe works the way that God constructed it and we should be able to look at that and say wow

01:06:57

God is a god of design and God is a god of beauty and There There's just something about that that should make us worship.

01:07:06

We should I think it's natural to want to go and see it I remember the one in 2017. I saw it I was in North Carolina at the time and it was pretty pretty neat to see that So I think there is that like that's how we should view this and is that an opportunity to tell others?

01:07:21

Sure, you can use that as an opportunity as far as like the consummation of all things and Judgment to come and all that all the things that are gonna happen in the quote -unquote end times

01:07:33

I think that believers need to realize that Christ is coming back and that should give us a joy and the main takeaway is we should be in repentance

01:07:42

We should be living in obedience to him That's the main thing that Christ told his disciples that they were to do

01:07:47

To to wait and because it could happen anytime he could come and so to wait with anticipation for that That's what believers need to do

01:07:56

Not get derailed into kooky discussions and and this is kooky About you know the

01:08:03

Civil War started here and it ended here and it goes through cities that are named this and that must mean this and it

01:08:09

May mean that there's a civil war and this is Jonah How much time and effort how much speculation how much time do do you as a

01:08:17

Christian this is my challenge do you spend watching videos about this kind of stuff hours of Videos apparently are out there because I typed it in just examining this stuff and it's all nonsense

01:08:30

When are you gonna stop when are you going to? Live for Christ on the things that he has clearly told you to do not the things that are unclear and mysterious

01:08:40

I realize that's attractive to some but he's told you very clear things. So that's my admonition and that's my

01:08:47

Yeah, that's what I want to say. So any questions concerns cries of outrage? I will I will take them now

01:08:53

I don't think I'm gonna be able to get to everything because there's a lot of comments coming in So, okay, okay people are speculating about my eschatology, so So I'll say this

01:09:05

I mean, I I've said this to friends who have asked me personally because I don't get into this stuff much I would say that I am

01:09:11

I'm premillennial I As far as whether I'm dispensational or historic premillennial that's kind of an open question

01:09:19

I'm actually well, I'm supposed to be I started reading a book on historic premill and I'm not quite through it, but I So I believe this is what

01:09:29

I believe firmly. I believe that Christ is coming back and I believe that That that before he comes back well,

01:09:38

I shouldn't say even say it that way because I don't want to get into trouble I'll just say generally

01:09:43

I believe in imminency. I see that in the New Testament I believe Christ is coming back and I think there's an imminency to it.

01:09:50

So I'll leave it at that I don't think most of the dispensational At least the things associated with dispensationalism today

01:09:59

Like Troy Brewer, apparently some people think that's dispensationalism, which you know I I was used to I kind of grew up in the more

01:10:05

MacArthur dispensational leaky dispensational camp like That that I think is all cuckoo.

01:10:11

I like I John Hagee I think that stuff is kind of nuts sometimes like late great planner of all that stuff left behind I just I've always kind of been skeptical about all that and basically rejected it and thought it was weird

01:10:22

Although left behind can be entertaining like that's really that's value in my mind I don't even know now if it's entertaining as a kid.

01:10:28

It was kind of entertaining But now I don't even find it that entertaining. So So yeah,

01:10:34

I mean it's something that I want to work out more. I went to seminary I studied I had took a class, you know, that was half of it was eschatology

01:10:40

But you know, I just I think that None of them to me at least fit completely

01:10:47

What seems to be in Scripture they all have their weak points in my mind biblically speaking historically speaking his pre -mill that pre -millennialism seems to be the

01:10:57

Early church physician if you want to try to box it in but they weren't as developed. That's the thing so that's what

01:11:03

I want to land on I guess is I'm sort of an undeveloped pre -millennialist and maybe I'll develop more as time goes on but I Don't see the huge need to do that right this second

01:11:13

And I know I don't get I don't get like Ideological about it and I don't let it sever relationships and if people want to call me a heretic or whatever, that's fine but But but yeah,

01:11:23

I mean I look you saw what I did today I try to go back to like not not because it's Scripture but just because I find it

01:11:29

I Find it I guess interesting and more There's a story

01:11:34

I guess there is an element of authority to it I like to go back to the early church. I like to see what they thought about these things and And then look at the broad picture.

01:11:42

What is the church said throughout time on these things? so so things like a millennial ism, you know, they most people think that didn't really start until like around Augustine and It's it's more figurative and so forth.

01:11:53

And so I'm not you know that to me as a history guy I'm not as attracted to it because of that Doesn't mean you can't make some good arguments and I've seen you have

01:12:00

Odie bockham's millennial and I've listened to his stuff on it So there you go. That's that's as much as I'm gonna tell you.

01:12:06

I don't really get into it that much I I am way more concerned right now about Real challenges rather than and I think the real challenges are social challenges that are threatening

01:12:18

Are are they under undermining our ethics as Christians and undermining more core doctrines?

01:12:23

like this is at best in my mind a At best a secondary doctrine if not tertiary

01:12:29

Like for me baptism is like way more important than eschatology and and I think most Christians have viewed it that way but for some reason there's people now in different camps that are seeing this as like the big thing, so So it's talking about the red heifer,

01:12:43

I'm not I'm not getting on the red heifer it's a trap Someone asked why do

01:12:48

I have ads on a live video? I'm not sure like like what I read at the beginning I mean I do that with different videos

01:12:54

So, I mean I do it because sometimes I want to help friends out who have good products and other times

01:13:01

They'll pay me a little and I mean, obviously I believe in the product. So it's not something I would never you know

01:13:07

Give you a product there or say like this is a service or a product that I don't believe in So so some of the sponsorships like the

01:13:14

YouTube sponsorships Yeah, like they'll give me a little revenue depending on how many views the video gets and that kind of thing I try to keep it on the minimum though.

01:13:21

I always like that's important to me Because I don't like a lot of ads and I don't I always make sure that they're not skippable ad or sorry

01:13:29

They are skippable ads and but if YouTube wants to give me a little bit I'm fine with that I mean, it's not a like a church ministry.

01:13:36

I'm doing it's my personal YouTube channel and it's time It's time that it takes for me to do this So, you know, hey if you on that note if you want to support me,

01:13:43

I do have a patreon I do have ways you can support me and the more support the more that I can do with that So In fact,

01:13:50

I had a guy doing YouTube shorts for me And because I can't really afford part of the reason at least

01:13:55

I can't really afford to do the YouTube shorts I told him I can't really pay him to do that anymore So like I can do more if there's more resources and I guess that's every creator

01:14:04

All right. Um, hey John. I just want to say I appreciate your ministry. Thanks Steve. I really appreciate that. Thank you Someone said

01:14:12

Partial predators here. Yeah Predator isms interesting to me. I actually I'm not gonna lie some of the arguments

01:14:19

I've heard are somewhat compelling for part not not full predator ism, but partial predator ism and something

01:14:24

I do want to look into more in the future, but Anyway, we were actually dancing on some of the passages that are really key to partial predator ism earlier in this podcast like Luke chapter 21 and You know, like what what does this the generation mean and that kind of thing?

01:14:45

I find that stuff interesting, but not not a huge focus right now No infant baptism that he says

01:14:55

I go to a Baptistic Church. So I guess I can agree with that but Some of my biggest influences

01:15:02

I'm gonna say he theologically are people who baptize their babies That's who I tend to read.

01:15:07

I'm not gonna lie All right We have some people that are just promoting their own eschatological views, which is fine

01:15:16

Absolutely fine, and I encourage it you can do it in the comments to afterward I'm not gonna get into all that stuff

01:15:22

My main my main thing with this video is just like the kooky Troy Brewer stuff Like everyone should reject that like that's crazy and it's unbiblical and it's closer to astrology and paganism frankly

01:15:32

That's what it is. That's what we should say. It's paganism This isn't this is outside the scope of Christianity at this point and we're engaging in superstitious paganism

01:15:40

So that's my opinion not afraid to share it. God bless I hope you have a wonderful time and if you're in an area where the