Is the Eclipse the Sign of the Prophet Jonah?

Introduction and the Weekend Eclipse Discussion

We are live now on the Conversations That Matter podcast. I'm your host, John Harris. It is a Sunday afternoon, sorry, Saturday afternoon. I'm thinking about Sunday because that's what we're gonna be talking about, eclipse that's happening tomorrow.

But it is a Saturday afternoon and hopefully many of you are out there who will be listening to this, who are not listening now live because you've got stuff to do. You've got a life and it's Saturday and I hope you're having a wonderful time, whatever it is you're doing or catching up on and I mean, that's what I do most of the time on the weekend is catch up on stuff.

And tomorrow though, of course is the Lord's day and I have the privilege of delivering a message tomorrow and it's actually gonna be at the church my wife grew up at. So looking forward to doing that.

And anyway, I've smoked a lot of meat this week. That's another development for those who are concerned about the personal life of John Harris. I'm to the point, I mean, I could always go for smoked meat, but I'm to the point now where I'm like, I'm pretty good.

Like I had my brisket, I had my ribs, I had my pork and I think I've smoked like four times in the last two weeks. So anyway, God is good, God is good. And I wanna talk about this eclipse, like I said, before we do just a few items of business I wanna get to just real quick.

I need to remind people, cause I forget to do this, that I do have some speaking engagements coming up in Boise, Idaho, April 27th through April 28th. I'm gonna be at the Stand Firm Conference and you can go to johnharrispodcast .com and you can find the links for this stuff if you wanna register, but that's coming up soon.

And then St. Croix Falls, Wisconsin, May 4th through 5th for the Be Not Conformed Conference. And of course, St. Croix Falls might sound like that's a small town cause it is, but it's actually an hour outside the Twin Cities area.

So it's not far. And then of course, I've added some new things. So I actually have more that I'm gonna be adding in the fall, but September, the Fundamentals Conference, Camp of the Woods, that's actually a men's retreat.

You can actually sign up for that now. And we have all kinds of options for rooming, whether you wanna save a little money and bunk with people, you could even come and bunk with strangers. I have people every year who come and they don't know the people they're gonna be bunking with, and they get to know them and they make good friends.

And so that's, or if you don't want that, you can pay a little more and have your own room, but that's at a beautiful, beautiful spot, Camp of the Woods. And last year we did it the week before, and it wasn't peak, it wasn't peak fall.

And you can't always figure out when that's gonna be cause it's based on temperature and moisture, but we put it a week ahead. So I have a pretty good feeling about it that September 27th through 29th, that may be the peak.

So for those who wanna see New York in the fall, it's just, it's a wonderful thing in the mountains. So check that out. You can actually go to fundamentalsconference .com if you wanna register for that.

And then I've added some more, the Future of Christendom Conference, October 11th and 12th in Pennsylvania, the Jesus and Politics Conference in Syracuse, Indiana, October 18th and 19th. And I'll likely be adding one in Kentucky, Northern Kentucky in not too long.

So anyways, I need to let you know about that cause I forget to do that. The other thing I just wanna for one minute, if I could have your attention, let you know about is Bradford Christian College. And this is a really good tool for, I think especially of parents who have homeschoolers.

I mean, it's not just for them, but I think of them because oftentimes they have advanced learners who probably have the intellectual capability of going to college. But sometimes with the moral challenges they're gonna face there, they might be a little young and some people's personalities are different.

I was someone who I think I was 16 years old when I first started going to a community college. And I wasn't the personality or the, I didn't have the disposition to really be the biggest follower. I used to be more that way and some circumstances in my life.

I actually talked about this on a recent podcast with someone else. They asked me about leadership and I just started sharing all this stuff. But anyway, there's some circumstances of my life. I wasn't the follower type, but a lot of people are.

I mean, when you're like 16 and the people that you're gonna be with are 18 to 22, you're gonna likely follow their lead. And of course some parents are worried that could put their kids in compromising situations.

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Go check it out. And with that, we're gonna get started. We already have comments coming in about this. We have WoJack91 saying, there's an eclipse every 18 months somewhere in the world. Hey, don't ruin it, man.

Don't ruin it. Thank you, Von Bright Off Go Hard for 199. They said, I'm installing a window blind right now for the eclipse. And then you have, let's see, Jennifer Sanders says, no, absolutely not. Absolutely not.

What that scripture means. Yeah, I would agree. That's not what the scripture means. And then WoJack again said, Western Christians gotta stop thinking we're in the center of the universe. That's actually a perceptive comment.

It's like, there is an odd, I don't know even how to frame it, how to talk about it, how to describe it. I actually can describe it, but it's still hard to categorize. It's a very odd kind of theology that's grown up in certain quarters of Christianity in the United States that sees the United States somehow at like the center of biblical prophecy along with Israel.

It's like, there's kind of the sense that the United States is somewhat chosen, I guess. They made a covenant too, and they're kind of like right along there with Israel. And I think there's a whole bunch of other things that this goes along with, but this episode is not for that.

This episode is really because I want to play for you a video that I saw. Now, let me just back up like one step. I don't talk about this stuff much. You know, if you're a listener, I don't talk about, I avoid this stuff.

And there's a few reasons. One is I don't actually consider it that interesting. That's personal. That's not a slight against anyone who's interested in prophecy because the Bible's filled with it. So I'm very positive towards people who want to dig into that stuff.

A lot of the people who are, like the trend I see right now is a lot of people going from pre-mill to post-mill. And I feel like that was a little fad that I kind of, I didn't really go through it, but it was a challenge to the eschatology I grew up with like 15 years ago.

And so I just, the arguments given and stuff, I like, I already heard them and stuff. And it just, it wasn't compelling to me. And I don't, I just never liked the discussions about it that much. They weren't that interesting because here's the thing, this is more my personality.

And what I'm focused on is what does God want me to do here and now? What's the point? Like, why should I even be concerned about prophecy? Well, it's because it's to prepare us for what's to come, but what is to come?

Well, ultimately it's Christ coming back no matter which flavor of eschatology you believe. And I think that's the whole point of prophecy, period, is to be prepared, to live your life now in accordance to the laws and the rules of Christ.

And every theological or eschatological stripe would have that in common. Now, of course, ones that have more of a sense of imminency, I suppose you could say they have more of that, but even if you don't have that, even if you're post-tribulation or historic pre-mill or something, like there's still like certain things that are gonna happen, but they're leading up to this consummation.

So anyway, I've seen this divide a lot of people in ways that I just, like right now with everything going on politically, especially, but the political threats that are really religio, political threats that are threatening the church, that are threatening Christians, I wanna see a united front and I wanna know what God has to say, right?

And so ethics have become more important to me than eschatology for answering that question. That's the main reason. So it's personality driven. It's also, there's a practical thing going on there. That's why I don't talk about it a lot.

Maybe I should. Some of you have really wanted me to. This episode, I'm gonna talk about it though, for one reason. And that is somehow it came across my feed on YouTube, a video, I'm gonna play it for you.

It's not that long from a show called Flashpoint. And it was this guy talking about the kookiest ideas. And I'm just gonna say it, they're crazy. In my opinion, they're just like nuts. And it sounds, I guess if you don't really, I don't even know who is like, that's what I thought after.

I was like, who is attracted to what this guy's saying? What he's saying is just bonkers. And then I looked and it was like, well over 100 ,000 people had watched this video. I thought, what? And so I shouldn't be that surprised, but I went on YouTube and I just typed in, day of, or sign of Jonah, eclipse.

And then my eyes were open and I saw a wall. In fact, I think I have it queued up if you guys wanna see like what I saw here. So that's not it here. So there was a wall of just video, video after video about this eclipse and all the different theories.

And you see in this one, there's Islamic terror, the Islamic terror, that's a terror eclipse. And so, and people have all these different spins on it. In this one, they're trying to connect the two last solar eclipses that were full solar eclipses.

And then one, I guess that we had, I think in 2023, that was a partial eclipse. But so they have, that's one of them. And that only has like 11 ,000 views or something. Is that, am I right on that? No, no, I'm not right on that.

I don't know how many views that one has. Oh, I'm sorry, over 200 ,000 views. Yeah, there you go. This one, urgent prophetic insight, the nation and eclipse and the sign of Jonah, 134 ,000 views. You got 67 ,000 views, seven connections with the sign of Jonah.

And it just goes on and on and on, 314 ,000 views. Now, you could say in the grand scheme, this isn't like, this is a niche, but even being a niche, like there's a lot of people, a lot of Christians that are really curious about the significance of this clip prophetically.

So the one that came across my feed was from this show, like I said, Flashpoint. It's on the Victory Channel on YouTube. And the title is April 8th Eclipse, the sign of Jonah with Troy Brewer. And I don't know who Troy Brewer is.

I've never heard of him. Apparently he's got somewhat of a following. But the thing that I guess bothered me about what you're about to hear and what I'm about to present to you and hopefully debunk is this is a grand waste, in my opinion, of resources, of interest, of time.

Like there's Christians out there who are born that Jesus taught, the basic things, who know what the gospel is. They can share that. They can disciple people. They can use their spiritual gifts in the church.

And it just occurred to me that there are many who get so wrapped up in this kind of thing, it takes away the resources that the church could have, that their communities could have, that their families could have.

The involvement they would normally have isn't there the more they get obsessed with this. And I say obsessed because this video, I think, shows an obsession. There's way too much thought and time being put into an attempt to build some kind of a case that this is this very significant sign rather than just observing it and letting whatever happens, happens.

And if the Lord is gonna do something, if the Lord is showing something, then just like paying attention in just like a very, I don't know, I don't wanna say normal way, like not getting so like, if you take this number and you divide it by this and you go back in time and you look at this and you see like, it's insane.

It's insane. And I'm gonna show you an example if you don't know what I'm talking about, you will soon. So I think that's why it bothers me because we need all hands on deck for the real fights that are out there, for the real battle, the real spiritual battle and also the political battles and the cultural battle.

And these things are actually somewhat connected. There's overlap there. And this just distracts people. It's a waste of time. So why would I spend the time on something I say is a waste of time? Well, it's to try to maybe snap some people out of it maybe.

I'm hoping with the tags I put on this video and the fact that this is a really hot topic in some circles, it will, the algorithms on YouTube will favor it and maybe there will be some people who are caught up in this kind of thing that will, maybe their eyes will be opened a little bit and this will be an inspiration to, hey, snap out of it, man.

Snap out of it. Enjoy the eclipse. Enjoy what God's put up there and live your life for Christ and don't get so caught up in this crazy stuff that is so extra biblical. So one last comment, because Von Bryoff Gohard says, Governor Holcomb declared a state of emergency over the eclipse here in Indiana.

No joke.

I would not doubt it because my, so I know in my area, like people travel to this area a lot and they're not this weekend because everyone's going to where the eclipse is and of course they wanna see an eclipse and this one happens to be going right across the center of the country and it's going across places that don't normally have, they don't have the infrastructure to handle the large amounts of people that are coming out and if I remember correctly, I mean, the last one also went across the country too and there were problems along those lines.

I don't know if it was as Heartland.

I don't know.

I can't remember, but either way. So let's start out. I'm gonna start playing this video for you and then I'm just gonna go into why I think this is not something we should be following as believers and frankly, it makes us even look kooky and I mean, my wife, one last thing, one last thing.

I gotta just say this. My wife and I were talking last night about how some Christians can really get like afraid. Like there's a fear and I think this is the second component to why I wanna do this. Like there's judgment coming and we gotta be prepared and this, we gotta stock up on this and that and it's always wise to stock up for emergencies and stuff, but like there's an anxiety that Christians have about stuff like this.

Judgment's coming and are we gonna escape it? And it looks, from the outside, it looks kind of crazy. Like it looks, there's things, the features of the Christian faith that are gonna be crazy, right?

You believe a man rose from the dead, right? There's things like that that are features of the Christian faith that some people are gonna consider crazy, but this is like not a basic tenet of the Christian faith.

This is just like people, stocking up on toilet paper and MREs and getting a bunker mentality because of some really fringy, odd presentation that doesn't make sense from someone who says allegedly that they are prophetic forecasters, but they're not looking at the Bible.

They're looking at all these other things that inform supposedly their understanding of the Bible that are just like out there. And it ought not to be, we ought not to have this anxiety. And so it's not like non-believers have anxiety, obviously, that's like a big problem.

You just look at the reactions to what happens if Donald Trump gets reelected? We're gonna lose everything. Women are gonna be just killed. And there's people who believe this and they're freaking out.

And so I'm not saying this is unique to Christians, but as Christians, we need to be mature, realize the Lord's in control, have joy, realize even if judgment comes and everything, the Lord is coming back.

Practice some basic common sense, but we have to be the kinds of people that are resolute, that have faith, that are stable in these kinds of circumstances. So all that to say, let's just get into it because I just need to start or else I'm gonna just, I have 18 minutes in and I've just like given all my, I've unloaded my emotional like thoughts about all this.

But let me get to like some hard and fast, like this is what is being said and this is why I think it's wrong.

Debunking Troy Brewer's Eclipse Claims

A lot of talk out there, ladies and gentlemen, about this eclipse that comes on April 8th. And you're gonna get every type of concept, every theory, some say, oh, you people are overreacting, others will be like, go dig a hole and climb in it.

You know, there's a lot. So I want to, I don't have time to dig into this. This is where your research is gonna have to help you. But I want

Okay, I wanna just point out, whoever this host is, your research is gonna have to help you. He doesn't have time to dig into it. Well, he's gonna then have someone on the show to just dig into it. So I took him at his word and I just said, all right, I'll research some of this.

Monta, Troy, you recently posted a video. You were on Our Friends With Daystar and you had over a million people already, well over a million already watch it. So what is that?

So over a million people have watched this message. I think that was the other thing that made me realize, okay, like this has to be addressed and I don't see people addressing it, so.

Tell you about where people in America are today.

Well, people are actually looking for answers because the word is out that this is a serious warning. And I mean, trucks are not being allowed to be able to drive and like schools are being let out, the National Guard is being released.

That's never happened before at an eclipse before because.

Okay, let's just stop right there. This is one of the things about the video. Like, you know, Troy Brewer's the kind of guy you would probably like never wanna debate because he's, it's like David Barton or, I try to think, there's like Ben Shapiro's like this where they just spit all these like facts or these pieces of information really because they're not facts necessarily, but these pieces of information in a sequence.

And like, while you're trying to figure out like the first piece of it, they're already onto something else. And so if you wanna follow their argument, you have to just kind of accept all the information they're giving you, Troy Brewer's like this.

And so it's better to slow down. This is why reading sometimes is better than watching videos to be honest with you. It's better to slow down and be able to hit the pause button and say, wait a minute, what did he just say?

So you heard him just make a claim that people, the word's out, the judgment's coming, people know this. You know, just people in general apparently know this. Like, I didn't know this, but apparently people in this country know this based on the eclipse.

And the reason is, is evidence is because of the fact that schools are shutting down and truckers aren't being allowed to truck anymore tomorrow, I guess, tomorrow is Sunday, but they're not being allowed to drive their trucks.

And then the National Guard's being called in in certain places. Now he's not specific about this and this isn't universal as you'll find out, but this is the claim, sort of the generally claim that he makes that the reason is the evidence, I guess people are, they know that judgment's coming or they know something's up spiritually speaking.

So this is what, I just did a few basic like Google searches or whatever search engine I use to find this, but this is the first thing. Why, so it's a story from two weeks ago. Why is the National Guard's nuclear unit poised for solar eclipse?

And so this was apparently something going on on social media. They're saying, hey, there's a nuclear unit. It was TikTok, you know, 22 members of an elite chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear units.

It's getting wild. They're gonna be deployed during the solar eclipse. What could this mean in Oklahoma? And of course the article goes on to basically explain that, hey, like there's a lot of people showing up in Oklahoma and this is not an uncommon thing.

If you have large groups of people, they just wanna make sure that everything is, that the peace is kept. I mean, you think about it for a city, like you have a certain amount of police officers that, you know, per capita.

And if you have a swell of people, you don't have the amount of police officers. You don't have the infrastructure to even take care of like crime related things. So that's why they're being deployed.

It's for emergency management. It's for the roads. It's for, you know, there could be, you know, crime, whatever, like when you just have a large group of people, you have the possibility of problems.

So that's what this article essentially says. Trucks banned on a Texas. It's not everywhere, but in Texas, truck spans on the road in more than 80 counties.

Why?

Because people are showing up there. It's going to, the whole article is basically like, there's gonna be a huge traffic jam basically. And we're trying to ease the amount of people on the road. Let's see, what else?

You have schools, you know, closures, schools letting out. Well, you have schools letting out. And because they want to give children the opportunity to see the eclipse, that's my summation of this article.

Now his other claim is that, well, this didn't happen. This did not happen in 2017 when we had a solar eclipse then. Actually it did. So you go back to 2017, the National Guard's website, South Carolina, National Guard, other states prepare for total eclipse.

You have USA Today, schools out for the eclipse. Why classes canceled for many in the South on August 21st. If you remember correctly, August isn't, you know, 21st. Well, maybe kids are back to school.

I don't know, but either way, that did happen. And then you have, let's see, what else? You have the DOT saying that on Monday, the 21st with the first total solar eclipse visible to the continental US in nearly 40 years, many states in the path of the eclipse have supplied restrictions to truckers.

Wow.

So 14 states will see the eclipse. The DOT of the US also issued tips as well as warnings for truckers. So, you know, this is one of the things that you have to like think in context here, historical context.

2017 was the first time in what, 40 years, it said. And we have, we're a different country than we were 40 years ago. And so now it's 47 years ago. And so now we have this solar eclipse. We've probably learned lessons from 2017.

Don't you think maybe 2017, we learned, hey, maybe it is good to maybe put more restrictions on the truckers and stuff because this is how people behave now under an eclipse. So like none of what this guy just said is true.

That's this Troy Brewer guy. None of what he said is true.

None of it.

And you're gonna find this pattern repeat itself.

Over and over.

There is a sobering agenda or a sobering word, man, that actually goes with this. And even ungodly people are picking this up. The church, however, even though we're late bloomers to this revelation, we have finally come into agreement that God does speak through the sun and the moon and the stars as Jesus prophesied in Luke chapter 21.

That he would.

And we're actually starting to see that these kinds of messages, you cannot deny them and you cannot ignore them. So you need to know what it is.

Now he makes another claim here that Christians are late. We're late too. And I don't, and it's kind of ambiguous whether he's talking about this eclipse or whether he's talking about this general category of realizing that the sun and the moon and the stars, there are signs that are accompanying them.

So I don't know which one, but like if it's about the eclipse tomorrow, so you have a bunch of ungodly people or I should say non-Christians. I don't know exactly who he's talking about. I guess it would be non-Christians, have to be.

So you have a bunch of ungodly people who apparently get the message. They understand that judgment's coming because they're shutting down roads and letting schools out and this kind of thing, but we're not.

Christians aren't, we're really late in understanding this. And that just seems like an unsubstantiated claim. I don't know where you would get that. If he's talking about like, though Christians are late to the game in realizing the sun, moon, and the stars are significant, their patterns and stuff, I have a suspicion and it gets, I think a little, maybe this is confirmed later on in the video, but like he's talking about other religions engage in astrology.

That's the only thing I can think. They engage in astrology. Christians are kind of late to the game. Well, yeah, we would be because Christianity forbids that kind of thing. That would make sense, right?

So I wanna just give you some background, some background on these passages and we'll get into some more passages as we go. But let's start with what he quotes here. He quotes, let's see here. He doesn't quote from, I have a bunch of scriptures here.

I'm trying to debate how long I wanna take on this, but let's just read them and then we'll see how long I wanted to spend discussing them. But Isaiah 13, six through 11. Whale, for the day of the Lord is near.

It will come as destruction from the Almighty. Therefore, all hands will fall limp and every man's heart will melt. They will be terrified. Pains and anguish will take hold of them. They will ride like a woman in labor.

They will look at one another in astonishment, their faces aflame. Behold, the day of the Lord is coming, cruel with fury and burning anger. You think this is talking about judgment? This is, yes. To make the land of desolation.

Now, what land? This is a good question too. What land? This land, this is a message to who? Now, in context, this would be to Israel, okay? He will exterminate its sinners from it. For the stars of heaven and their constellations will not flash forth their light.

The sun will be dark when it rises and the moon will not shed its light. Thus, I will punish the world for its evil and the wicked for their iniquity. And I will also put an end to the arrogance of the proud and abase the haughtiness of the ruthless.

You have now, did I put? Yeah, I put acts up here as well. Let me go in sequential order though here. You have Matthew chapter 24 and Mark says much the same thing, but it says, but immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light and the stars will fall from the sky and the power of the heavens will be shaken.

And then the sign of the son of man will appear in the sky. And then all the tribes of the earth will mourn and they will see the son of man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.

And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet and he will gather together his elect from the four winds from one end of the sky to the other. And then you have Luke 21 says there will be signs.

This is sort of parallel passage, I think. There will be signs in sun and moon and stars and on the earth, dismay among nations and perplexity at the roaring of the sea and the waves men fainting from fear and the expectation of the things which are coming upon the world for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Then they will see the son of man coming in a cloud and with power and great glory. But when things begin to take place, straighten up and lift your heads because your redemption is drawing near. And then last but not least, in Acts 2, Peter is quoting Joel here, but he says, it shall be in the last days, I'll pour out my spirit, your sons and your daughters shall prophesy.

And then, but it gets, it keeps going. And he says that there will be the sun in verse 20 will be turned into darkness and the moon into blood. Before the great and glorious day of Lord shall come and it shall be that everyone who calls the name of Lord will be saved.

And so here's the question, if these are all describing the same event, they seem to be describing something that takes place before Christ comes back, right? And so there, so you have dispensationalists, I suppose, in Matthew saying that, you know, this is before the rapture.

You would have other flavors of eschatology saying this is before the second coming, but, you know, whatever the circumstance of these verses, broadly speaking, everyone would agree there's judgment and that this accompanies somehow, and then there's a deliverance, okay?

And so that's really all we have on the, like the sun, moon, and the stars. And, you know, basically the common thread seems to be, there's going to be a darkness. You're not going to be able to see them like you saw them before.

And so you have some, I dug into some early church. Well, yeah, I mean, I have one here that I want to share with you. I looked at some others, but to Turley, and I was like, I'll just let him sort of be the representative, I guess, of early church views on this.

But he says that the meaning, let's see here. It says, he quotes, "'There should be signs in the sun and in the moon and the stars, distress of nations with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring, men's hearts failing them for fear, for looking after those things which are coming on the earth.

For, says he, the powers of heaven shall be shaken and then shall they see the son of man coming in the clouds with power and great glory.". And then he says, "'He spake of its drawing nigh, not of its being present already, and of those things beginning to come to pass, not of their having happened, but because they have come to pass, then our redemption shall be at hand, which is said to be approaching, up to that time, raising and exciting our minds to what is then the proximate harvest of our hope.'".

And so what I want you to see from this is that this is a very general, like basically the assumption here is you're gonna know it when you see it. Yeah, like this is gonna be obvious. This whole thing's gonna happen together and you're going to notice.

And then you know when this happens, then your redemption draws nigh. Now you see, going to the Reformation period, John Calvin says, "'The tribulation of those days is improperly interpreted by some commentators to mean the destruction of Jerusalem, but on the contrary, it is a general recapitulation of all the evils of which Christ has spoken previously.

To encourage his followers to patience, he employs this argument that the tribulations will at length have a happy and joyful result. So long as the church shall continue.

Its pilgrimage in the world,.

There will be dark and cloudy weather, but as soon as the end shall have been put to those distresses, a day will arrive when the majesty of the church shall be illustriously displayed. In what manner the sun will be darkened, we cannot now conjecture.'".

Let me read that again. "'In what manner the sun will be darkened, we cannot now conjecture, but the events will show. He does not indeed mean that the stars will actually fall, but according to the apprehension of men and according to Luke, only predicts that there will be signs in the sun and the moon and the stars.

The meaning therefore is that there will be such a violent commotion of the firmament of heaven and the stars themselves will be supposed to fall. Luke also adds that there will be dreadful commotion of the sea, the sea and the waves roaring so that men will faint through fear and alarm.

In a world, all the creatures above and below will be as it were heralds to summon men to that tribunal, which they will continue to treat with ungodly and wanton contempt till the last day. Then shall appear the sign of the son of man.'".

Okay, so this is what I want you to see is that there's sort of this novel approach that is fairly recent, it seems, at least for it to be mainstream, it's recent, that we should know when there's an eclipse happening or an earthquake.

I saw some takes on the earthquake that were like this. We should know like exactly what that means when it happens. And then taking a Bible verse like this and then paralleling it and saying, it's gotta be something, it's this, right?

That's what that guy's suggesting. Troy Brewer, he's saying that he quoted Luke or he at least referenced it. And he said that when Jesus is talking about these signs in the heavens, that that's what he's talking about.