JP Sears and Abortion

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I announced that we're gonna have a special interview This was planned a little bit last -minute interview

That we did that is because we have some time -sensitive matter with it So we're gonna start off with that and then we're gonna have on Basically, we're gonna take a look at a video that recently was out by JP Sears if you know him, he's a conservative comedian and He has changed his view on abortion.

He was pro abortion. He is now Well, we're gonna have to find out what he is now we'll let him explain that and then we're gonna talk about the view and see whether it lines up with scripture and We'll figure out what what will what dr.

Silvestro and I think about what he has to say dr. Silvestro, welcome to another projects live.

Yeah looking forward to this one. It's gonna be good Yeah, two two heavy topics two heavy topics. So yeah

JP's interesting when we get to him he's uh, he was actually pretty liberal when he first came really came on the scene and You know

Kovac changed his views like it did to a lot of liberals They have a problem with their worldview. So yes, and and he has he almost seems cancel cancel proof

Because the you know, he really has gone created a different model for the way he's doing things and that has

Allowed him to continue even though they've tried to take him off. But anyway, I want to get right to the folks that we have

Backstage to an interview because of the fact that I know that at least one of them is traveling and doesn't have too much very good

Internet whatnot. So first Tim Cannon, welcome to apologetics live and Also less landsphere welcome and so Are you guys there how much we're having us

There we go. I think Tim Tim. I see a spinning circle. So we might have just lost Tim We thought less internet was gonna be the bad one

So Less I'm as I said to you. I'm prepared to for this interview.

I I have my my nice my nice coffee cup here for For Spirit and truth.

I wonder what less what what what is that? Spirit and truth Okay. Well, this is

I know we have a delay with less. Okay. Well, I'll describe his previous film

So less has done two films one is called Calvinist and the other was spirit and truth and I had the privilege of being able to to help out with that one a bit and The you know with that we also have

Tim Cannon Tim. I don't know as well. This is the first time he and I are Really talking to each other meeting each other though.

I guess we've been Facebook friends for a bit But you've done a but Tim has done a film called logic on fire and we're not here to talk about those two

But we're to let you know that these you they have done three films three very well films

That have done well as I'm seeing in the in the chat people are saying spirit and truth spirit and truth was great

So Okay, less are you there I see him playing with his mute Well, he's muted now you there less

Okay. Well, he'll jump in when he can So here's what's going on with the films that you guys have

I mean Let me start off and and less can go back and listen to this afterwards since he's traveling in the country where there is no internet

But and he dropped out so he must have must be having trouble. We'll see if he comes back in You guys

Tim you guys got together with less you originally before kovat you had you're planning a film and kovat kind of put a stop to it and And Then you you and less start working together on a new film and So I want to be we want to be able to talk about this film the the content of film the purpose of it

And and for the record, I was hoping that less would be here Up here. It comes back in.

Let's see if he's here now less. Are you there? This makes for great show, you know get airs

Yeah All right, well less if you can hear us just give a shout out when when we can hear you

I guess all right, so And let me just say for the record lesson,

I Got together. Yeah, we hear you now less good Because I want to make sure

I don't say anything wrong on this So I want to make sure you you hear this and can correct me But it would be fair to say less that you and I started a friendship off on a rocky a rocky relationship, but that'd be fair Okay, I'll say

I'll say he said yes Okay, yeah Basically what happened was

I didn't know less personally less. I had some people that told me about less and Told me some bad things about him.

And so I just figured okay. Well, he sounds like a character I don't want to be around. He heard some bad things about me and figured

I was a character He didn't want to be around and then we got to meet each other and realized wait, you know

The things we heard about each other weren't true and and not only were the things we heard not true But we actually got along really well, and so I've been

Really glad to see the last two films he had done. I'll be honest and haven't

Tim. I haven't seen your film yet. Sorry Well, it's actually it's actually it's not my film

I can tell you David Lovie who can't be here tonight who's the co -director

Along with us. He was a producer on logic on fire He was on the board of the

Martin Lloyd -Jones trust for almost 15 years and knows the Lloyd -Jones family intimately and Was approached about making that movie which ultimately became

Logic on fire and that's how I met David was it together for the gospel 2018 and That was when we said hey we should make another movie and we should make a movie about Beth and Lloyd -Jones because his wife was just as spectacular

And then like you said Kovat hit and here we are with a movie about cessationism because we thought hey controversy sounds awesome

Yeah, cuz like there's no such thing as controversy, right? So let me start off We now know

Anthony didn't mute his phone Tim, let me let me start off this way if I could I want to play the

I Want to play the the Trailer for the film would that be all right?

I'm sure you really great Let's uh, let me just share that and we'll play it. We'll play the trailer for you guys of this of this new documentary

It's coming up If somebody has the gift of miraculous healing

Surely all he needs to do is to prove it, but it's face it we've been battling with Kovat and the so -called miracle workers

Went into hiding together with us Cessationism is the view that certain miraculous gifts that stood as signs of an apostle

Speaking in tongues healing prophecies interpretation of tongues gifts like that ceased with the

Apostles cessationism has fallen out of favor and because Commitments to the authority of scripture has fallen out of favor.

I don't Christian TV You don't see expositors of scripture John MacArthur or Steve Lawson.

You see Joel Osteen Joseph Prince Kenneth Copeland Benningham Joyce Meyer Paula White. That's who you see because that's the mainstream

Speaking in tongues, you're gonna speak out of your spirit. Don't worry about what it sounds like Our understanding of speaking in tongues must be guided by the scriptures not our feelings

They were known languages that were capable of interpretation and not everybody speaks in tongues

If God speaks it must be infallible inerrant and authoritative and the Lord said to me

Will you howl for me? I said don't ask me to do that Lord There's no longer the need for the gift of prophecy speaking forth divine revelation from God We have now the whole

Council of God. This word is the final word

The apostolic gifts of God they were never intended for our generation We have everything that we need from the

Holy Spirit today It's hard to get anyone who's gone through that to come back and take a serious look at faith in Christ focused on the gospel rather than focused on these phony miracles

All right. So that is As I close this down that that's the trailer for your new film

Tim. So let's talk about this film It was this is something that is a

Kickstarter project so we want to encourage folks That want to support this film.

I'm gonna just before you start talking about it go over to Kickstarter comm in another tab of your window that you're watching don't don't skip us but go go to Kickstarter and Go search for sensationist

Said that CESS not sensationalism, but ceasing

I always have a hard time with that word But go and check that out because what we want you to do is is fund this now right now

I'm gonna give you the current. I wanted to have this ready to see the it is right now 63 % funded and we have 16 days to go

So folks what we're hoping for is that by the end of this show, that's a hundred percent funded.

That's the goal so I really want to encourage folks to go this

I Said Tim you said I said this to less in a text message and you you ended up saying this on my

My Facebook wall when I just shared this Kickstarter I Said to less this is the reason my wall is the reason this this film is needed

You said hey look at your wall. This is the reason we need to do this film So this is an issue that is so important for the church today

For many reasons, but I want to first let you explain what is what's the reason you wanted to do this film?

What is your goal with it? Yeah, so when we found ourselves at a crossroads with wanting to make another film

David our co -director He's a pastor just north of Chicago, and he said man

There needs to be a movie about solid biblical pneumatology or you know who the spirit is.

What is the spirit doing? Because what he was seeing in his church I can tell you

I became a cessationist after Strange fire conference.

It was was at 2013, I believe My father -in -law who's a pastor called my wife and I and said he lived just right down the road and he said you need to come over and watch this and so we started every night we'd watch watch the

The the sessions from the conference and I'd never really even considered it I went to a church that was part of the x29 network.

I come I come out of the new Calvinism young restless reformed people see the tattoos and they assume

I'm still that but I go to a confessional 1689 Reformed Baptist Church where a lady plays piano

But I remember my pastor said in the membership class, well, we're charismatic with a seat belt on and That was fine to me that I didn't even really

Register really what that meant. I just remember him saying it and then it was

Probably two years after that strange fire conference and I realized well, what's the thing about a seat belt?

You can take it off And oftentimes that that happens and so For us it was a matter of Well, what is

Broadly evangelical. It's not cessationism. It's the idea that the gifts have continued and that all the things you're saying and and one of the pushbacks that I'll just say we've gotten is oh

We're just dealing with the we're dealing with the fringe when like if you saw in the trailer you saw Joel Steen you saw

You heard Sid Roth? And you saw some of these guys who they would call the fringe.

You know, our argument is no, that's actually not the fringe That's what people Buy the just the masses.

That's what they consume when it comes to continuationism. I wish

Continuationists were all John Piper's and Sam Storms and Wayne Grudem's and And so the reality is that's not what is the mainstream as Justin Peter says in the trailer.

This stuff is the mainstream. So our goal for this film is not to necessarily bounce around in a reformed echo chamber, but To go beyond that to what is broadly evangelical and it's it's what you saw in the trailer

Yeah, I mean the reality is and I know a lot of people we've seen it in our audience here

A lot of people they'll say I used to Believe in continuationism. I came out of that I myself had had done that but the the thing is that What is so frustrating is the number of people that let their experience be the thing that interprets scripture

Rather than looking at how do we interpret scripture? What are the rules of interpretation? And so there's that's one issue

There's a greater issue than that and that is it reveals that they don't believe in a sufficiency of scripture scripture is not enough

Okay, I have my Bible But I need something more. I need a word from the

Lord I need some gift that gives me an edge on other believers that makes me feel like I'm more spiritual and Do not think that that's not what is most of this is about and why

I think tongues The speaking of some gibberish because it's not really the biblical view of languages

But the reason why I think so many speak a gibberish and claim. It's angelic is because there's no way to prove it wrong if I give a prophecy that We can prove wrong if it comes false

I mean the Word of Faith guys are sorry the New Apostolic Reformation guys admit that they're only 80 to 85 percent accurate

Yeah, I think Mike Bickle said that yeah Yeah, so if if they're only 80 to 85 percent accurate

Then we know they're they're false prophet period and they try to make excuses for that saying there's different kinds of prophecies and play word

Games, but that is a testable gift It's when you're speaking in a language a known language.

It's a testable gift and And this is the thing that you know Justin Peters brought up when he had you on his his show on his did a

K podcast is the fact that When you first saw the people in 1905 when this first started

This was something that they really believed they had known languages and they sent people to China Justin actually had and you know,

I don't know if he shared this with you when you guys did recordings, but in his latest Clouds Without Water that he's he's producing.

He actually showed my wife and my wife is from Hong Kong He the woman he mentions there who went to China supposedly knew

Chinese And she had a written Chinese that she said she wrote in Chinese and so Justin calls me up says look

I'm gonna send something to you for your wife, but I need to be on video. I want to see her reaction And so so I get her in we're on camera.

He sends us me goes yim So what someone says this is Chinese? Can you tell me if this is

Chinese that she looks at it? She goes Justin? That's chicken scratch So He's like so you're saying that's not

Chinese she's like no no, it's not Chinese Well, you know what? It reminds me of it reminds me of When Joseph Smith had those tablets that or those scrolls that what do you say?

The book of Abraham's book of Abraham and it was what did he call it for the Egyptian reformed

Egyptian? that's exactly what that sounds like and it's like You can make that you can just say that until you go to China and you realize oh,

I'm not speaking Chinese So they I believe was it MacArthur in his strange fire book. I remember reading that Talking about coming back and realizing we're not speaking

Chinese. So what are we speaking? Oh, yes, it must be angelic because we can't be wrong in our experience and see that's the thing the experience

Becomes the sufficiency. It's the sufficiency of experience instead of sufficiency of Scripture At the heart of that.

It sounds like pride Well, yeah, I would agree Yeah, or demons both

Well, okay. So now now with that Anthony, I mean there's gonna be a ton of people that are gonna say How could you say such a thing?

That's I mean, it is interesting. I was told that I'm you know I'm a demonic because I don't believe that the that the gift of languages continues to today

Which is really kind of funny because you know, all I did was quote he said there's no passage of Scripture that says that tongues will cease and I said 1st

Corinthians 13 8 to 13. That's idea. That's all I said He told me

I'm demonic. I'm like for quoting Or even not even quoting just citing a passage of Scripture, you know, like okay

Yeah, and I think that's the reason why there this this film is so important because so many of these people so many of these people are

So it tied into this because of their emotion their experience

That the Bible takes a lesser stand and their experience becomes primary

Chris Hough is saying brothers sisters fund this project ASAP And I I agree go go to Kickstarter this is a kick so let me let folks know because if any of you are not familiar how

Kickstarter works Kickstarter is a platform where For Tim and the other guys producing this film if they don't reach their goal with their goals $100 ,000 and some people are going wait

That's a ton of money That's that sounds like a lot of money until you realize how much goes into us They got to travel all over to get all the the the interviews things like that There's actually you guys on Kickstarter give the breakdown 45 % of this goes to to production of the film 10 % toward equipment 20 % toward travel 15 % towards donor gifts and because when you do a

Kickstarter you get gifts that they have to give and then 10 % to Kickstarter so 25 % of what's being raised is going to Kickstarter directly or indirectly right it's going to the people that are funding it and things like that.

So this isn't this is something that takes a lot of money to do and The way

Kickstarter works is if they don't get fully funded in 16 days they get nothing So you don't your credit card doesn't get charged until they're fully funded.

So there's a time limit Yeah, we have two weeks folks two weeks to get the word out And that's why

I'm encouraging you right now to go to kickstarter .com go search for for cessationism

Get that start first off fund it help fund it and and you know

I'm gonna say I would never ask you guys to do something. I have not done myself. I am a backer of this film

Okay, we are we being striving for eternity. We have our board meeting this week

One of the things we're going to discuss is as a ministry backing this because we want to get we want to get this out there

Okay, so this is something I feel very strongly about and if they don't get if they can't get fully funded

It may not happen or at least not happen through Kickstarter. All right, it'll be a lot of fun to go back to ground

You know back to ground zero and start over again, you know regroup And I will say it's funny one of the comments, you know, they tell you don't ever read the comments

But I I have to read the comments. I can't help myself And that's how

I found out you're demonic by the way Um, I I saw I got a comment from one of my posts that said

I'm asking for more money than Benny Hinn Well one that tells me you don't know Benny Hinn very well and and like you said $100 ,000 once we

You know break it down especially right now with the way gas prices are travel prices all that stuff it's

We're making a movie on a shoestring budget for sure Flights have tripled. I mean, it's you know, it's this is not gonna be an easy thing to do and So first off I'm just saying we we really want to get

I'm asking right now for everybody to go to that site right now Fund it and then share it

Okay, get get the word out share this with everyone, you know now look Some people are going to say well

And this is where I wish less was on, you know, i'm having Have the cup here for his last the last film.

He did one of the things less than I talked about his film spirit and truth I thought was was excellent.

I disagree with the conclusion he makes He and I had a long talk about this like how could you fund a film?

And and help me do this when you disagree with it. I said, you know It's dealing with the the regulative principle and In worship,

I I told him i'm a dispensational. So I believe in the regulative principle when it comes to bible interpretation

So see I do believe in the regulative principle I just do it with hermeneutics The world would be a better place if everyone did that really it would be it would be by the way

I should say less less sent me a a message because he couldn't his thing. He said Uh, he said that he couldn't get connected.

So he says he says yeah, we started off rocky But nothing but love now i'm there in spirit with you so Yeah but The thing is that I knew less's work to know that he was not going to misrepresent the position and I may not have agree with the position to know that in The proper view of a position is better to have out there than to have a position that just does a strawman argument

Which is what we see a lot of and if you think about this You know I want

Folks think about and those who are watching live can put in the chat think about the last book you have seen

Dedicated to the the holy spirit That is not from a charismatic perspective

The last one I could think of is is uh is ryrie charles ryrie holy spirit

That's the only one I could I could actually think of offhand of a book dedicated to the holy spirit in a hundred years um

It's it's the charismatics that have taken that taken over and so many people avoid the personal holy spirit

Because they don't want to seem charismatic And and it's I guess it's almost time we take that back and and I think

Some of that is going to be what this what this film ends up doing Um is taking some of that back

Well, I want to I want to say that we You know, i've had some friends of mine, uh that are not just charismatic but a dear friend of mine's a pentecostal

And he's shown me more support in this With encouraging text messages liking and loving the posts uh,

I don't know if he's given or not, but he said brother, I trust that you're gonna handle your position with care and you're not going to Mishandle how you represent the other side and I said no that's our goal is the truth.

Um Now there will be people that think we're mishandling the other side that's going to happen But to know that I have brothers that are charismatics and pentecostals that are supporting my father who passed away in february

He was a continuationist up until The day he passed away and we talked about this he watched

You know the interviews that we did record to get to this place, uh, and he supported me in it.

And so it's the most Pushback we've actually gotten is from our own reform circle

Is actually what i've seen so what why is that i'm curious well, um what you're seeing is and they would push back against this but uh, it's the

The new calvinism movement that came up in the late 90s early 2000s that really brought that brought continuationism into reformed theology

Um, you saw it more walking hand in hand jeremy walker a pastor out of crawley

England wrote a book actually critiquing the new calvinism movement and he himself is a reformed baptist

Um, and he's been on he's been on platforms with many of those guys who would be in that new calvinism movement um, but his

He was showing how some of that stuff came into what we call the reformed

Resurgence of the reformed world as we know it now so I believe that's where it came in with guys like Wayne grudem d .a.

Carson, john piper sam storms, you know, i've got all their books on my bookshelf i've

Taken a lot of great things from all those guys But what we've also seen come in with them is this idea of the continuationism of the gifts

So, um Let me deal with some we got coming that we had come in right?

So I have an email that came in someone that couldn't watch live a lengthy email So i'm going to just kind of paraphrase some of it

The this person gives a little bit of their background they they were involved in continuous churches

Uh, basically from strange fire much like you tim strange fire and then finding out about justin peters came out of that um

They they explained that you know having found uh after finding justin they they found us here

Uh, so the person says so I I share my past to ask for your help. I have a brother in christ who disdains

Sensationists Uh, he believes it is we who are creating the disunity in the church and must be corrected

We have conversations from his side Or conversations that come from his side

They claim are demeaning and hurtful At at this point,

I don't know at this point that certain spiritual gifts have ceased and And the only proof

I have heard is the fact That as time has gone on the book of acts no longer sees miracles performed by paul

Um example of paul telling timothy to drink a little wine for his stomach's sake So so basically they're saying that they have the the only argument they hear

Uh is we don't see it continuing in in acts um and so I I think that is an argument some people make

You've already started doing some of the the the gotten some of the filming done What are some of the arguments you're hearing is that the only argument that gets made for how we know that certain gifts have ceased

You mean the argument that like Well, it's with paul or so. Yeah that things like the fact that paul, you know

Paul had was able to heal at one point we see in philippians, I I I go outside of acts, but Um, but I would

I would go to philippians because they're paul himself is with someone who's near death He describes in philippians that paphroditus is near death

And he didn't heal him You know So the the argument that they make is just what we we see later in In time and later in the book of acts healings aren't happening

Therefore that's the only proof that they ceased is that is that the only argument that we have that These gifts have ceased

No, I mean, you know when we we went up in january to Michigan and interviewed. Dr.

Joel beakey And you know, he came from a position throughout church history. Um Where we see, you know, there are a few guys who who mentioned uh some quote -unquote miraculous things that have happened but You know a lot of those things can't be substantiated and a lot of it is there's a lot of superstition

That's tied into it regarding the roman catholic church um And so a big emphasis for this film will also be taking a very

Strong stance in church history, which a lot of the pushback we've also gotten is. Oh, well, what about this in church history?

What about that and dr beakey kind of goes into some of those things? Uh in his in his uh interview

We did and that's one of the unfortunate things when when you interview these guys You're only going to see small portions of it.

It's like i'm hoping that we we're going to have so much that we're going to have Lots of extras and lots of things that we might even be able to break it down.

Um, you know interviews that we go further into tongues, uh healings, uh prophecies those types of things and a lot of people often the argument is

We as cessationists don't believe in any miracles That's It's preposterous.

It wouldn't be salvation if there wasn't miracles and And our position in this film is that the holy spirit is at work

And the way I heard it best was in the common means of grace what goes on in god's daily providences, um so,

I don't know if that answers the answer the question, but I'm able to run off on tangent. Sorry about that. Yeah. No.

Well, I think I think even in the trailer we have the answer I forget who it was That that says we have a completed canon

Right, and it's yeah. Joel beaky says, you know, and and uh, you know, this word is the final word um, and and then david woolen

Who is the chief executive director of reformation heritage books? You know, we got him in this movie. He's a he's a pastor

Um first and foremost, that's what he is He's a he's a pastor of a local church and he talks about you know, we have everything we need from the holy spirit

That's what sufficiency is, you know, uh on my rap report podcast, uh in a in a About a week or two

Actually two or three weeks We did a joint podcast and we're going to go through the importance of the sufficiency of scripture and hermeneutics with the the guys from truth be known, but That is the real thing is that there there's just People are looking for something outside of scripture and scripture.

I believe made it clear first corinthians 13 8 to 13 It says that this this gift

Speaking of languages along with prophecy and wisdom will cease And I think it's very clear that it is when the canon is complete there

Now there's people that will argue. No, that's end times. That's when christ returns and they they base it by two two things they base it on one is

To say when we see someone face to face Because it they'll say say we see christ face to face looking in a mirror dimly versus seeing face to face

And they'll say see that that has to be second coming and then they'll say well see it says to know In part or to know as fully known.

We're only going to know fully when when we're in heaven when when you know jesus comes back but that's violating a rule of hermeneutics you're taking something that is a a

Meant to be an illustration of a point and using it as a literal And so that so those are not saying what so many of the people try to say

And what are those three gifts those three gifts deal with revelation? What what deals with revelation? Oh the canon

So what that whole text is saying is that you have something that is partial that comes to completion

And and these gifts revelatory gifts are necessary Until that thing comes to completion well

The the issue becomes if that's the second coming you know Then we would need to keep writing scripture if that's what it's saying.

We would need more scripture, but the canon is closed We have a completed canon. We don't need any more

And if we don't need any more revelation, why would we need any more of the revelatory gifts?

We wouldn't You know I think I think it answers it and I know that you know, my friend paul taylor commented, you know that uh he believes that that passage proves that tongues continue until the end times, but This is why harmonics are so important Because if you don't if you don't know the rules, you don't know you're breaking them

Right, well, what do we often see when we see tongue speakers, what do we never see interpreters

Almost never i've almost never seen a friend of mine, uh lisa, uh

She's a producer in this she's helping us out a lot and she told a story of a pastor friend of hers going to some charismatic revival tent revival thing and And he said

I have a word from the lord and he stood up and he He spoke in a tongue And an interpreter stood up And interpreted it and he said no you're wrong.

I just read to you from first corinthians in greek And you didn't know that Uh now she posted that and actually one of the comments and someone said oh well that's being deceiving it's

You know, he's proving a point that this is clearly uh

Not the same tongue speaking we we see and read in scripture The tongue speaking that we saw in scripture was known human languages the only passage there's only one passage anyone can turn to to argue

That there's an angelic language that we can speak That's first corinthians 13 one

And if you look at it, what it says is that it seems at least to imply

That yeah, there might be but but let me read it If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels

But do not have love I become a noisy gong and a clanging cymbal now the emphasis there on is on love

Not the gift. So he's making a comparison between speaking in languages

Versus having love for one another he's saying love is better It better to have love than just sound like a bunch of people going making noise

But here's the thing. Is he actually saying that there's an angelic language? well If you say yes, if you're taking that literal then within the same context we have to take the very next verse literal which says

If I have the gift of prophecy and know all mysteries and all knowledge

And if I have all faith so to remove mountains, but have not love I am nothing

Well, if you knew all mysteries and had all knowledge tim, what would we call you? You call me god.

That's right Do we really believe that paul? Was omniscient could paul be omniscient?

No So the only way to explain is paul's exaggerating in verse two Which means he's also exaggerating in verse one, it's the same exact you you have the same exact parallelism here

He's just in it's both dealing with love, but he's changing the the gifts that they're claiming

They have with tongues versus the the knowledge Well, this is also the same thing, you know the cults do um

You know They went to china. They thought they're speaking chinese turned out. They're not okay.

Let's regroup. What can we do? Okay tongues of angels That's what it is. It's got to be a miraculous um

It's got to be angel tongues, whatever whatever that is and apparently angel angels like to drive hondas and and kias, uh um and it's

I mean it is the same and It's the same thing that the jehovah's witnesses do or the mormons have done.

Yes And frankly when you get away from the sufficiency of scripture What also do you have or you're leading into the path of liberalism?

Progressive Progressive theology. Yeah, you're not far from it And you you mentioned what the mormons do and you know, here's the thing.

Most people don't know historically we have to understand that prior to 1905 azusa street

We did not see Within christianity this normalization of speaking in tongues, whatever you want to call them to be when they first in in in First in 1905 started thinking they had the gift of tongues.

They thought they were known human languages That's important to know because where did we see the gibberish?

We saw the gibberish in the in the cults and the occult We saw it in in mormonism 1800s it was the mormon speaking gibberish.

We see it in in the the the false religions of of uh hindu kudalini

We we see this in other in the The occult of the the mantras the new age move all this stuff is where we saw it before 1905

And so what you ended up seeing is when they came back and realized they didn't Know chinese and these other languages and got embarrassed.

They they instead of giving up because this is You know, you mentioned pride earlier tim

The thing is when someone builds a platform and folks you can see this even today when someone builds a platform from something they get known for something

They they want to keep that platform going now with social media, it just kind of makes it more blatant, but People did that back in 1900s

You had a bunch of people that got a platform people start following them because they they thought they had this special gift

Instead of turning and going We were frauds They just Found a way to say no we were doing the right thing.

We just didn't realize it wasn't chinese It was an angelic language, but we didn't know the difference Instead of just admitting they were wrong

They double down you see this all the time folks You see it with joseph smith. You see it with all all those guys as well

And so that's that is a form of pride And and what you see is a lot.

The reason I think this film is so important is because there's so many people Because of their pride in their experience will not take an honest look at the other side of the argument

And I think that's what this film is going to do. This film is going to provide a a reasoned argument

For the fact that certain gifts have ceased And what I think you're going to end up seeing

Is you're going to start to see? That there is a number of people

Who are going to like you tim come out of this movement And be far better for it because you're what happens is when you're in this movement

It's all about the experience and when you come out of this movement and get into the scriptures. It's all about god

It's about theology I mean that was that was that your experience as well.

I mean, I know it was mine And Tim was that your experience? Yeah, you know Yeah, you you broke up the for a minute there on my end.

Um, yeah when I when I came came out of it, I remember um, you know watching the conference at at uh, dr.

MacArthur's church and and my wife and I just went back and really had to Look at scripture and then take what we were just digesting

And this has made perfect sense not that we were we were never tongue speakers we were never ones to um

Embrace those things, but I never I never really considered why those things weren't Why I never used those things

I never felt the gifting I know I remember watching a video john piper talking about he never spoke in tongues

But he asked the lord for the gift of tongues and he's never did not appreciate his honesty in that.

Um, So yeah for us it was it was embracing theology and putting Scripture before experience even though we'd never experienced some of those things.

Um But that was important for us Yeah, jody says it it

Becomes true worship not focused on self and emotion and and correct

Um, that's that's the thing You know stephanie here says and and this is really the the reason I think this film is so important Stephanie says

I struggled hard for a long time I'm about to be 30. It took three years of this show to finally beat me into an understanding

I'm now humbled horrified shattered desperate Everything around me. It takes a long time for people to come out of This mindset

And I think the deeper in you are yeah the longer it's almost like the same with cults you deep programming

Yeah, yeah, I mean look I I I get to travel with justin peters a lot anthony does too.

We both have experienced this a lot Anthony how many times have you seen people?

When you go somewhere justin and he's it's kind of hard to to not you know, he sticks out with his scooter, you know

Um, yeah not hard to find in a crowd. Yeah, he's easy to find in the crowd but I mean How often do you hear this when someone walks up to justin and they're like your ministries changed my life

It impacted me so much. I was involved in the charismatic moon I was my family was it and and your videos helped me come out of that.

How often do you hear that? Oh, you hear it all the time In fact, just because people know that I know justin i'll be places and they'll come up to me and tell me hey

Can you tell justin something for me? Yes Yeah, tell just as I hear yeah tell justin that that his ministry, you know pulled me out of all this stuff

Tim I think that's going to be what you're going to start hearing yeah, yeah, well and i'll tell you, you know when

I met justin at g3 conference and just watching him how he

Interacts with those people. It's it's truly humbling. I mean, he's just got such a gracious spirit and um, and When he tells you, you know, i'm so glad that you know, you you just you know he's so sincere and that what he's experienced in his own life to get him to the place where He is where he's at now

And you hear that story when he talks about in clouds without waters how he got to this place, you know For me a lot of it's that it's that healing stuff, you know, that's a whole nother

Area that we haven't even talked about in this podcast yet Um that that conrad and bayway mentions that we open our trailer with it, you know

Here we are and we we've been dealing with covet And the faith healers and they all went into hiding together with us he says yeah

Yeah, they did and and and they were wrong on all their predictions of covet being over um, you know trump getting re -elected

Hey Yeah, there's that false prophecy for you. But you know folks listen go go out right now

I I have seen the number go up a bit, but we are Nowhere near the 100 mark so I I am i'm pleading with you guys this film any of you that came out of the charismatic movement,

I mean I think I think the lowest deal you guys take is a dollar right? Isn't that let me see.

Yes. Yeah Yeah, so if you want to give a dollar give a dollar That's the widow the widow's might uh

Uh level but you know with each with The way this works on kickstarters you get you get different things

I mean I supported spirit and truth and I got a coffee cup, which I which I use so, um

But there's different gifts that they give that's the way kickstarter works um, and so I am begging you guys to go out and fund this let's make this happen

Share this on social media not just today But we got 16 days folks 16 days to get this fully funded

Let's get this film together. Let's get it out there. Let's answer the the arguments that are they're being made um

You already see the quality of interviews that they've gotten It you know

If I can if I can jump in I can tell you the list of guys who

We have lined up for this is just it's growing. Um We wanted to be careful that this movie wasn't just a hey who's the

Who's who in the reform circles and the john mcarthur circles and it's not that Um, though there are guys who we all know and love but there's you're gonna see guys in here that most people may not know

Uh, I like to say the voices in the wilderness, you know, they're out there preaching Every lord's day to their to their church because this is the movie that we want this movie to be for the local church

Um, we want it to be able to be used in the seminary classroom setting But we want you to be able to sit down Um a mom and a dad and their kids sit down and watch this together and be able to answer

Their cousins or their neighbors or their loved ones because we all know We all have family like when

I went live with this. I knew when I was starting posting on facebook I've got family that are on all kinds of different from roman catholic to To charismatic and and everywhere in between so this is a

A very heated topic and this is a timely movie Yeah, so so tim if I can ask you what are your plans long term?

I mean, obviously i'm sure you guys have to make some money back um, are you planning on long term doing what american gospel did where they gave out like dollar dvds that Are sold dollar dvds like in packs where you could just give them away things like that so that we use them as Yeah, yeah, we do plan to to do that we plan to also as well um

We're talking in the works and putting together like a deluxe, you know Logic on fire did a deluxe box that had a book and then some other cool stuff in there puritan had several dvds and So we plan to actually we have potentially conrad and bayway and brian borgman

Um writing a book together that would go that would be a companion to the film

Um that we plan to to release as well as like a deluxe series But yeah, we plan to to get it out there.

We just want to get this movie out, you know, if If we make no money and the movie's out there and it just blesses the church.

That's that's our goal Um, of course we want we want this movie to be successful But we want this to be in the hands of everyone

We have the guys from matter of theology both drew and chris posted that matter of theology just supported

Uh, so now carlos is asking is is it the documentary finished filming already the answer that's no

No, we we've got we've got 10 interviews. We filmed we went in october to g3 conference and we got eight interviews.

I mean As cessationists, you know people say oh we don't believe the miraculous watching the lord's providence work in the what three or four days we had at g3 conference everything from The hotel we managed to get literally across the street to Us getting the ballroom at the hotel, which was

I think 600 a night. We got it for two days for free um, and then shipping off our our equipment and we were the last people to walk into fedex on saturday or on Saturday before they closed and we were the we had nine boxes full of lighting and all our gear we had to ship it

She locked the doors behind us We would not have made it out of atlanta If we had done if we had not made that so the lord was at work

In all of this so to say that we haven't finished we're about not quite halfway there

Um, so we're looking at nine months of production that includes les's work with his editing and less as an animator um, we want this movie to to I don't know fun.

Sorry, but we want to We're going to have awesome animations that are really going to make this movie pop

So there's a lot of work to be done still Well one thing that's going to make it pop and you talk about god's providence.

I mean you got these interviews Everyone was you know dressed jackets ties and then you got this

I mean jim jim has been you know, bright yellow He looks like he's he looks like he's uh should be you know, like, you know on the street directing traffic or something here

But but there you go for I mean that's that's providence right there, you know And if I can show jim texted me

And he said I saw I saw this on the way home from the interview that we did the other night It was a green traffic cone because That's what he said.

He says he looks like the a traffic cone Well, you know it was god's providence.

I I came over to uh meet justin to bring him across the street to where we were filming and and uh, we were waiting for the next session to start so that it would kind of Die down a little bit so that justin could get out of there

Um, and I was talking to this guy In the booth and I overheard him talking to someone else about his books

And i'm like wait this guy. I think we need this guy And so I got to talking to jim and I said well, why don't you come over with just with justin?

And we interviewed justin. I said well Do you want to sit down and be interviewed? He said sure so and i'll we only got about uh 15 20 minutes with jim, which we plan to get more we're going to go get more but that that 15 minutes with jim was just Amazing the the the stuff we got from him

Yeah, drew says I think I was Uh, I think this was the day I met jim. I recognize that shirt

Yeah, it stands out so so you know, um I know

I know we gotta let you go But you know folks I want to once again go out to kickstarter right now

In a different tab obviously of your browser But go out search for this film

Okay You can you can find I will have in the podcast version. I will have the link to this

So that you can just go down in the show notes and click on the link to this. You have 16 days folks

Let's get this fully funded All right Let's get this out there because this is the sort of thing

I I know for myself This is the thing where I want to have a couple of hundred copies of to just have with me when i'm in church when i'm

On the street because this is this comes up all the time. In fact, uh

In a few weeks i'm going to be we have a a woman in our church that trains people in evangelism

She does the way of the master with folks and she she's got two different groups that she has some got some guys who are who are running it and You know, she's she just is really active in evangelism problem is some of those groups

At least one of the groups. They're almost all charismatic and and she's she the focus of the group is

To be on evangelism. And so what we're going to do is i'm going to do a two or three week

Probably going to be a little bit more just assuming that there's going to be lots of questions But we're planning a two or three week where i'm going to explain

Why the gifts have ceased and just go through the scriptures? It'd be much easier if I could just give her a couple dozen copies and say give this to everyone

And I mean, that's what I do at justins when I get someone word of faith I say could you do me a favor watch this review this for me and let me know what you think

That's a great way to do it because when you do it that way They're looking to evaluate it because they know you you want to know their response don't tell them what side you're on just Let me know what you think

It's exactly how you do the joe's witnesses in the mormons Yeah is you if you go after them, of course, everyone walls up and is ready to go on the defensive but when you say when you

Can you help me with this help me, you know, that's exactly exactly and you you know,

I don't know if you realize it, but you have A superhero that uh is supporting it as well

Captain america known as chris hon holds from voice of reason radio. Wasn't he some green thing lately?

Says that the hon holds family household is supporting he he went as he said it was green lantern. I saw I thought it was a green burglar

Or green goblin, okay Yeah, he said it was green lantern, uh,

I I asked him if he was a green burglar So chris chris, uh dress gets up. It dresses up in uh as captain america um, and then he also did daredevil and now green lantern and he'll go to like Uh charity events for kids and things like that My theory i'm gonna get myself in trouble

I I think I know why chris doesn't dress up as as Captain america lately and he's gotten a new costume.

I think I know I don't know. I may get myself in trouble if I if I give my theory You know either way if my theory is right i'll get in trouble and if my theory is wrong i'll probably get in trouble but I just think

I think there was just Too much food at christmas time and you know, that was the last we saw him in the outfit

He's probably gonna say it was because it was too hot that day and he got dressed up and played kickball With a bunch of kids they had all the superheroes playing kickball with with kids in a house

I think it was kids in a hospital or something And Chris is slapping his face his head. Um you know, it's probably that he was sweating and almost died from that but uh, he's yeah, he's

He's yes, we know you're gonna do it. Anyway, andrew Oh Well, it could be either one so chris let us know what's the real reason you're not

Is it just that the suit got old and you want it to be a different superhero? but Uh tim,

I appreciate it. Uh, just looking right now. Let me take another look. I I think the last time I looked It looks like there's at least another another dozen supporters um, praise god

So but we want to get that way more and and I want to encourage you guys to give a whole lot more

You can you can raise your your amount as well. By the way, you have you have 16 days to change the amount um

So I I really want to encourage you guys to to go out and support this well, we thank you for this opportunity to come on and talk about the project and and it's something that's really near and dear to our hearts and we believe that It's it's so timely right now.

This is just I I think it's been timely for 50 years But it's time. It's time that it it happened

Yeah, it's been needed. I think I think you know less had a good point with me And carlos here saying supporting it now.

Thank you carlos You know, I was talking less And he he made a really good point, you know, you have the strange fire conference that had a great effect on people

You have the strange fire book. The the thing is you have a generation of people that don't read anymore And the strange fire conference is just too long

I mean, this is what we have noticed with these documentary type films is having a one to two hour film

Is able to Just get that in the hands where you're really really concise Is very helpful at least to spark people to start digging in stephanie is saying i've

I i've got kick I I'll give the kickstarter tomorrow saved it on a tab. So thank you stephanie but you know, you know, justin peter said this needs to be a two three hour movie and And I think he's right.

We're gonna we're gonna have so much that um, you know, lord willing that You know be it extras or teaching series

Um, and and just like some of these other documentaries They will be a kickstart to Picking up that book, you know

Some of the critique i've heard is well Why would you make a movie about something when there's all these great books about it? But frankly, we're in a generation of people that just don't read like they used to Uh, we are in a media age people are streaming all kinds of things.

So let's give them something that's worthy Of their time to sit back sit and watch but also a movie that will we pray glorify god

Yeah Well tim, thanks for coming in, uh, we're looking forward to this film august of 2023.

Is that the the hopeful deadline? Uh, I don't know about all but sometime in 2023 Which I was I just realized

I believe will be 10 years since strange fire conference Which kind of is crazy, but it'll be around the the anniversary time of strange fire

Oh, there we go It says I didn't realize it's been that long since strange fire I think

I think it was 2013. Yeah. No, you're probably right Yeah So here's here's a jody is saying agreed.

We'll support when the live stream is finished so Someone's saying you could you could do is three separate movies.

That would be good You know, everyone loves a trilogy Yeah, yeah, we're not gonna let george lucas anywhere near it though So so here you go.

So chris is telling us. Yes strange fire was 2023 Uh, jason who jason who's one of our our youtube members and if anyone wants that's watching on youtube

You can support striving for training by being a member um, and Jason's one of them. So he says supporting now.

I got I got cornered about the tongues quite often and don't know What to say,

I know quite a few charismatics that will be getting a copy Well, then what you want to do, uh, jason, just so you know, um,

The different if you go when you go there and you look at the side There's different donation levels get you different physical copies

And so if you want to give a bunch of them out my suggestion i'm just trying to look down If you give a hundred dollars or more

You will get two copies on either dvd or blu -ray uh, so that's that's at the hundred dollar, but you if you really

Uh, i'm trying to see I thought there was like a part where you give like get ten Okay, if you give six hundred dollars or more

You will get ten copies of the the film so you can give a bunch of them away So encourage folks i'm encouraging you to give six hundred dollars or more

If you can afford that, um, it would be well worth it to get this get this out there

So let's try to make this happen folks. Please consider Going out on kickstarter and supporting it today

All right, tim, thanks for coming on. Thank you guys so much All right Take care

All right. So let us get uh, well before we get to our our next

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We wanted we wanted to talk you this was your idea. You wanted to talk about uh, someone that you and I well

Here's the picture There he is. There's me with uh, jp sears. This is a you and I were out

Uh just hanging in the lobby of a hotel. I forget where we were. Oh, we were we were at shepherd's conference in la

Oh, that was la. Okay. Yep, and uh, we were both sitting there and the next thing we know I mean he's he is very easily recognizable obviously, right?

He looks just like like he has on all his videos So I couldn't find my picture.

I'm glad you found yours at least So so let me just tell you something about him so that you you realize

Guys, if you see in the picture, you see the headphones are dangling there Anthony I walked up to say hi just grab a quick picture.

He was on the phone And whoever he's on the phone with he says, hey, hold on. I I got some people here.

I got to talk to He he just dropped the phone So they they weren't in his ears.

So so we get a picture with him, you know, I felt bad I mean, I obviously wanted to share the gospel with him and uh, but he was on the phone

So I kind of felt bad. We didn't want to take a lot of his time, but we got a track from us Yeah, he took a gospel drive.

We we were looking for him the rest of the time so we could share the gospel but uh, but yeah, so so this is who we're talking about and um, do you want to do any any setup as far as uh

This this issue that we're going to address or do you want me to just I I do and in the setup I want to give what's that?

Do you want me to play it in full first and then clip it or do you want you want? Let's just let's stop it along the way.

I think that'd be more beneficial All right The setup I wanted to give is is this issue, you know 2020 was was a very interesting year right with covid and one of the um, one of the other things that popped up because of covid was you know, we

We as christians often Will will conflate christianity and conservatism

And lump those together versus liberalism, right and and I get why because the only way that we can have conservative values fiscally morally and other ways

Is is if we actually go back to the bible and see where its foundation is. It's with god himself and his nature and so That that's something that we just kind of take for granted

What we forget about is that there are a boatload of conservatives in this country and around the world

Who aren't christian And these are conservatives who we would say from a logical perspective

They don't have a they don't have a foundation for their beliefs So they're they're actually quite arbitrary.

They just so happen to be right in their conservative values And so what i'm really curious about with this video when

I watched it the other day and then I sent it to you andrew and thought it'd be a great show idea is Is jp sears is a guy who was in general pretty liberal uh socially fiscally in every way

Um when he was doing his videos years ago because that year that we met him had to been what 2018

Yeah, I think it would have been just before covet so maybe 2019 it was 19. It was one of those two years

I actually thought it was the earlier but Could have been because the hotel we were staying at I don't think we stayed there in 2019

I think it was 2018 that we stayed there. Oh, you're right 2019 we were in that airbnb of death

That's right. Yeah, so so so 2018 is the is the earliest i'm sure the latest it was

It could have been 2017 as well when we met him and he was a pretty pretty liberal guy at that time and you know,

I know a lot of christians including myself had watched some of his videos at times because he was just he was just Funny and uh, he seemed to make fun of all kinds of different groups out there

I mean he had a funny video about my first introduction was the uh, if meat eaters were like vegans

Yes, that's the one I was talking about It seemed to go around reform circles on facebook shared all the time that was really funny so So we had a we had a good time

Um, you know seeing some jp stuff having said all that covet year was again an interesting year because This is where we as christians really got to see the difference between conservative people who aren't christian versus christians who are

Should be conservative And and there's it's a it's a weird thing when you mix them together

Firsthand I was invited to speak at a number of events For what we would call freedom fighter events in 2020 and 2021 in the ohio area

And the reason why is because I had some talks that developed actually way before covet On where we get our rights from where do rights come from?

How do we know? What's the proper role of government? I had done this stuff already and When when covet came around now all of a sudden this is a topic that everybody's actually interested in And so I developed a little bit further and started giving this talk when people found out about it in the area and what

I found uncanny is that When I was when i'd be speaking in front of these some were large crowds and I would invoke the name.

I would just say god Most people in the audience cheered Like they had no problems when

I say that rights come from god people cheered loved it You mentioned jesus christ

I had people getting up and leaving I had people that that suddenly were dead silent and you can hear like a very low grade hiss in there and so it was it was a

It shouldn't have been eye -opening for me like I knew better But it was still eye -opening to just see that kind of an action

And it's really caused me in the last year and a half or so to really press into people

When I when I meet people who are conservative And they're not christian It's a great opportunity to witness to them.

It's a great opportunity to to ask them Why do you have these conservative values? Where do they come from?

Right, and then we can we can get into a gospel conversation that way So that's why I want to talk about today because jp goes through abortion he comes to Almost the right answer.

I mean 98 percent of his answer is right in this video which he comes to Accidentally, I would say yeah

And then the last part of it is an arbitrary thing that we would we would disagree with from a christian perspective um

But I guess before yeah, let's get let's get into it now and we'll talk about that um and real quick, uh, so first off just Chris on hold says airbnb of death remind me not to take

Uh you on staying Uh at your rental choices. It wasn't mine chris

That guy there. Yeah, and the airbnb guy lied as to how nice this place was.

Oh, yeah, it basically okay So we go to this place. It's it's someone's home I mean, they're they live there.

They must have just gone on vacation No, he stays with his mom when he rents out his airbnb.

Oh, is that what it was? Yeah, because it it seemed like you know, they just You know, they they just rented out when

You know, they're out of town or something because all their stuff is everywhere. They said there was three bedrooms

And yeah, it wasn't You know, it was it was a scary place You never know what you get with an airbnb.

All right So let me let me put this up and you just i'll i'll play it you tell me when you want it to be stopped

Yeah All right. So so here we go Kids are cute

Hi friend in this video. I probably won't be very funny. But what

I will do is Share with you why I changed my mind about abortion What I used to believe what

I believe now and why I changed my mind and along the way i'll also be sharing with you My most embarrassing blunder that i'm not proud of about what

I used to think about abortion Oh and trigger warning My current thinking about the topic will probably piss you off no matter which side of the aisle you're on Hey, why are you sharing your opinion about abortion jp?

Because as a man who obviously could get pregnant at any time I just feel that it's important that my voice is heard on the matter

And if you don't think my voice should be heard then that implies that you don't think men can get pregnant

So be careful because we don't want you contradicting yourself with the conflicting marxist agendas that your mind is infected with so true

But why i'm really sharing my opinion is I used to think one way about abortion And now I think a completely different way about it

And I just want to share how my thinking has changed because I think it's really important that we allow our thinking to change

Because that's how we learn and grow and another reason is that given that the topic of abortion can throw people into a hysterical fit

Of polarized rage. I just want to share the two cents that comes from my heart and logical discernment

Not my emotional hysteria. Shut up you oppressive man. We don't need your toxic masculinity

Hi feminists If you see toxic masculinity everywhere you look then the mirror of life might be trying to tell you something about yourself but I'm sure i'm wrong because i'm just an empowered man

And you're just a rageful woman who still hasn't recovered from her daddy issues. Also my current thoughts on abortion

Probably aren't what you think they're gonna be either. You might be thinking. Oh jp. Mr. Freedom Well, of course your thinking is going to be in line with the conservatives.

No, not exactly I don't like to outsource my thinking to any group. I like to think for myself and you might also be thinking well

Does that mean jp you've gone all crazy liberal on us? You're gonna dye your hair blue next. Nope My thinking definitely isn't in line with what they're told to think nor is it in some boring middle ground either it's more in like a

Straight line that pierces into a different dimension So let me explain starting with what

I used to think about abortion and then at the end We'll get to what I do think about abortion now

I used to think Pretty much like a leftist about abortion. Not only did I think women should have the right to an abortion

I thought getting an abortion was a pretty empowered choice for a woman to make like You go girl kill that baby

And I also used to think that like in the first trimester the baby that you're about to kill

It's not really a baby yet because i've heard other people say that and it's a pretty convenient thing to think

Here's my most embarrassing blunder about my old thinking about abortion. No, i'm not proud of it, but it's true

So i'm gonna share it Here it is The thinking that was going through my mind about abortion

It wasn't my thinking the leftist propaganda about abortion Got to me.

I'll admit it. I fell for it and it's 100 % My fault it was nothing other than mental weakness and a lack of self -awareness on my part that allowed it and the scariest thing about it was

I didn't know it was propaganda I thought it was my own thinking.

Oh leftist propaganda about abortion jp Huh? Yeah without sugarcoating it.

I think there's evil tyrannical people in this world Controlled by satan if i'm being honest and I am who want to keep the population of the world small

So it's easier for them to control everybody and they want to destroy the nuclear family So people grow up weaker and are therefore more controllable and knowing

Um So, you know what's interesting about about jp we we've listened to enough now to hear um

He admits right he admits that he he was a classic leftist in terms of the abortion argument

Being being what they would call pro -choice I would call pro -murder, but he was he was pretty classic with that And but what's interesting about guys like him bill maher and others

Uh, jill rogan, right these guys are all quite liberal and there's there's a boatload of others who had a wake -up call

During during the time kovid. Well, I don't I don't know that that's the case. I mean I Somewhat i'm gonna somewhat agree with you.

You know what I think I I think that Elon musk put it well in a little drawing he put up on where he's at I think that the left has gone so far left

That guys like this elon musk jp um They've they've seen how far left the left has gone and they realize

They've gone too far and and and so maybe they're waking up in in light of that, but they're they're not

I don't know that they're coming conservative I mean because you think about it's kind of sad

The the conservatives the christians are all looking at these conservative people that are all libertarian Mm -hmm jp sears elon musk donald trump

They're they're libertarians They're not conservatives But you know, it just shows how sad the conservative movement is

I mean the sanchez would be a conservative. He's probably the the best known conservative right example. Yeah Well, I guess my my point to this so is is these guys all make a living by talking?

Yeah, right and and they they love their talking and they have lots of people following them and then all of a sudden when they recognized that Their own talking was getting stopped

Because they had as a disagreement with the covet narrative And this is this was true with with a number of them.

Although bill maher actually was was much earlier than that, right? he had the he had the issue that richard dawkins did where they

They as as much as they hated christianity They recognized that christianity was the one thing stopping the muslims from taking over the world

Right and that that's a very unpopular opinion. It's a true one And they're correct But uh, but that's what

I found fascinating is is that is that jp sears who was leftist in in a number of ways but Used his freedom of speech even though the leftists tend to block freedom of speech when it comes from people that oppose their their view

And that was really his his big wake -up call So if you've got anything else so we can keep well for for the

Podcast audience who listens just to audio as jp's doing this. He's wearing a shirt that says fetal lives matter

So, I mean just you know, I can't read he's got some small print underneath it that I can't read But just awaken with jp.

That's his little. Oh, is that okay? So, uh, just so you know that that's you know, they can't see this.

So Uh, all right, i'll hit play which which by the way it it not only is a uh against an

Against abortion shirt. It is also a poke in the eye of the black lives matter movement, which he has been against as well

Yeah, it's designed Uh, well actually he at first he supported black lives matter when george floyd died and he's he's he's

Awakened On what that really was about. So, uh, so let's keep going At all

Getting people to get abortions is a big strategy of theirs And they get people to get abortions through their propaganda that gets people to think that not only are abortions

Okay But abortions should be a celebrated empowered choice more on that in a minute.

But the moral of this story is That propaganda got to me now. My pronouns are he who thinks for himself?

So I can better draw a distinction between what my heart feels and what my own critical thinking says

Versus the propaganda that comes into my mind from outside sources I'm not saying i'm perfect, but i've made a lot of progress in this area

Thus, I no longer believe abortions are just okay, and I certainly don't believe there's something to be celebrated

I look at what I used to think and what's all over the leftist media today And it's very clear that people are being persuaded to think about abortion as a virtue this happens through weaponized morality

That's when you have Manipulative people who get good people to think that doing something horrible is not only not horrible

But it's a good thing to do. It's a moral thing and nazi germany It was turn your neighbor in to face a certain death because it's the right thing to do now

It's scream at your neighbor for not getting jabbed because it helps keep everyone safe or peacefully burn down buildings in portland

Because racial equality is important or get an abortion because of women's empowerment

Sound familiar? Yeah, it's all weaponized Okay, it froze

Reality, I will unapologetically say that pretending a baby isn't a baby and then killing the baby

Is not a virtue it might be a choice, but it's certainly not a virtue having a choice is empowering

But that doesn't mean any choice you make is an empowered choice For example, if you're over 21

You have the choice of whether or not to drink large amounts of alcohol every night And if you choose to get drunk every night, that doesn't mean you're choosing an empowered choice

I think we'd all agree that though the choice is yours Choosing to drink excessively every night is a very disempowered choice

Yet weaponized morality tries to get women to think that they're making an empowered choice if they choose to abort their baby

But what I consider to be a very empowered choice for women around reproduction Is for them to have very strong discernment and boundaries

About who they have sex with in the first place having sex with someone to fill a psychological void

So you can feel like you matter to them and are valued by them for a few moments is a very disempowered choice from The genesis, but I got an abortion.

So i'm empowered now No, because anything built on the foundation of a disempowered choice will simply be an extension of disempowerment the illusion of empowered choice in the abortion scenario

Is maybe just rationalization for not improving your self -esteem by using courage to make more empowered choices from the get -go

That have you filling your psychological voice from within rather than using men to fill them.

Hi again feminists Feel free to go back and listen to that part again And just so you know getting mad every time you hear someone say something you don't like doesn't make you empowered.

It makes you unstable Okay, jp You've shared what you used to think about abortion.

So what do you think about abortion? Great question My current perspective will probably piss off all the leftists

And i'll probably piss off a lot of conservatives who otherwise agree with me on a lot of issues But instead of just going along with groupthink i'd rather be honest.

So here it is I think abortions are evil yet should be legal for the first couple months after conception say more jp

I will I truly believe that abortion is straight up killing babies All right

Well, that's interesting, isn't it yeah The first three first three months i'm gonna back it up too so we yeah

Catch some of what you So he calls it straight up evil. Now. We've talked in the show in the past multiple times that that to define

Good and evil. We have to define good first Defining good is is god like so Understanding good is is the nature of of god

Evil would be the absence of of his goodness And uh, and there'd be varying degrees of evil from that perspective

But when we look at jp, he's using a word evil that can only be understood correctly in the context of god

So that's that's the first thing I would I would say here, um, but number two this is where logical arguments

Now jp spent I think we've gone what maybe seven or eight minutes into this. Yeah, we're Yes, seven minutes 50 seconds.

It's almost eight minutes in this video and you can tell he carefully crafted How he was going to speak through this correct very carefully and he thought through this really well and yet yet when you don't have a

A christian mindset and you don't have the underpinnings to god in his word

We have these Hiccups inconsistencies, whatever you want to call them where on one hand he calls it evil on the other hand he says

But it should be legal in the first three months Well, he's going to explain why he thinks it should be he will he will but but he he's a he's saying it's evil

He's saying it is murder Okay And yet he allows it.

So let me so so here's uh, drew says this Then why should it be legal for the first three months?

Well, we're gonna we're gonna look at that Uh, chris says it's murder, but keep it legal um

Yeah, that that's where the problem is. And so let me let me um I'm, just trying to look for an episode.

I was I I did an episode with chris honholds on On voice reason radio, so if you go on voice reason radios and and check that out, it's called christianity versus conservatism

It was uh, march 19th And and we dealt with this in a different in it with a different area not the abortion area

But we're addressing this issue of the difference between conservatism and christian what what he's arguing for maybe would be conservatism

But it's not christian and it's not true conservatism because here's the problem that we see.

So what is conservatism? uh conservatism in america is

Conserving The the constitution the original understanding of the constitution Liberalism in america would be that we have a constitution that's our law and we want to be a little bit more liberal with it and and redefine it and and Let it be a living document to to have a different meaning for us today

And conservatism is to hold to those those Original thoughts the original meaning of the constitution

That's conservatism But as christians the question becomes what is the standard

And you're getting to that with with the issue of of evil, you know Kofi is saying is there a statute of limitations on evil now, and and that's the point is you you

We have to get to what is evil? Where do we get? To be able to define something as evil

But when we're looking at this issue We as christians have a different standard our standard is not the constitution of the united states

We have a higher standard the bible If it is murder It is always wrong in all cases

That's the way it is There's no case. We we're you say that you're going to kill a child

When the only life that's at risk is that child and and and when we say life at risk because they're saying the life of the mother and life of the mother means if the mother just Is doesn't feel like having the child then her you know, her life's at risk.

What? Right. No, like the only case that that is plausible is if the mother is going to die in other words the the mother is um

You know is at a state where It's either her or the baby. That is the only argument

That you can make because one of the two will die But To so in in that case, you're not you're you're looking to save the life of one

That's different argument ethically than Taking the life

He's acknowledging that it is the taking of a life he's acknowledging it's a human life and it's a baby and it's murder

But because he doesn't have a universal absolute standard he can make contradictory arguments like Yes, it's an evil, but we should keep it legal

As a christian we would say no the the issue becomes if it's evil, it's evil and that's it

Yeah, we don't we don't make excuses, right and you brought some brought up some interesting points about Showing the difference between being conservative versus being

Constitutional right in this in this country and real quick just because you just may work into what you're saying humble clay says Conservative and republican are not the same thing and that's true as well, especially now

Yeah, so, you know And this is where things got really cloudy for a lot of christians in in 2020 and and we had to be very careful on how we

Where we put our foot down in certain things, you know, we we acknowledged andrea I know, you know you and I disagreed especially early on about do we do we listen to the government?

What about vaccines? I mean we we had some disagreements early and I think now we're pretty much on the same page in regards to all that stuff but um, but these were a lot of discussions that happened between a lot of christians and The united states is unique right we have a constitution and a declaration of independence bill of rights here

That that's uh, despite what people tell you the founding fathers in general had a christian worldview in mind

When writing the declaration of independence when writing the constitution of the bill of rights And so you're going to see some christian values built into it

We understand that the foundation of rights to begin with has to come from god as they acknowledge in declaration of independence

Yet it doesn't make the constitution christian And so there were christians a lot of them who who

I think meant well, but they focused much more on their constitutional rights

Rather than their rights that are inalienable from creator god As their primary argument so It's it's it's a complicated issue.

Certainly and maybe maybe if people want it we can do a show on this in the future But uh, let's keep going on with jp here.

So let's let's see what his view is now I really believe that abortion is straight up killing babies.

And not only is that not a virtue that's evil Yet if I imagine i'm a woman as apparently a lot of men are doing nowadays

And I imagine I was raped which is certainly an act of evil itself And I got pregnant from it

I think I would get an abortion Is that still evil? Like I don't know probably

But i'd still probably get one. Okay And you said a couple months after conception like why a couple months jp is just kind of an arbitrary number

But what i'm certain of though Abortions and even so there's two things he said there, right?

Yeah He he knows it's probably wrong Yeah He so he he acknowledges

He he's not being consistent Yeah, he admits it's arbitrary his his thought.

I mean, so at least he's being honest in regards to his thought process here That's what I like about him.

Yeah And this is what happens though. Again, when you don't when you don't have the foundation of the bible

That we can that we can rest on is absolute truth. These are the things that that can occur is you have inconsistencies

Okay, so Let me address the issue of rape because this comes up with so many and people are challenged with this

Okay How could you say that? Someone who's raped should have to carry that child the the emotion that they have to go through I I heard this when

I was at purdue university speaking On abortion with this girl who had been raped and had an abortion and she said she would have killed herself

Had she had to live through that The answer is very simple

The the we the starting point that our culture lives in now is not a biblical one

And what we need to do is give them the biblical arguments first they start with the premise that I should get everything

I want in life They have a false view of the american dream Why do

I say that? The american dream is you could you could be whatever you want to be and people think that means well

Look a guy could be a girl Right, I mean that's what they now think the american dream is

I could do anything I should be able to do anything I want No, the american dream is that you weren't in some class system a working class versus a noble class where you couldn't

Raise to a certain level you had a certain lot in life by who you who you're born from and that was it

And in america, you could work hard and produce a future for you and your your offspring

That had nothing to do with who you're born to and and things like that That was the american dream but because you have so many people that have this view that they should that their

Their life should be about their happiness than me having to go through life having

Uh the product of of a rape for nine months. I shouldn't have to deal with that Okay Now let's look at the biblical view

You're a wretched sinner You don't deserve the breath that's currently in your lungs You don't deserve anything good

Who do you who do you think you are that you should get to decide how your life should go?

No, none of us do Is is it somehow? the the unfair for the person who's born with cerebral palsy or um any other disease

Is that fair do they get a choice in that no, do we get a choice when someone

Gets runs their car into ours and now we're a quadriplegic. Do we get a choice in that?

No We deal with that. That's called life Now this isn't saying hey,

I was raped and that's a bad thing. Yes punish the rapist You don't kill the child for the sins of the father

Rape is wrong But we don't go after the child And take its life

Because the mother wants to be happy because she doesn't want to deal with what happened to her And one of the things that I I also will point out is so many of these people that are for abortion

Especially in the case of rape You know what else they're really for? Pornography What is it that's producing the rape culture?

Yeah, it's that pornography You know, there's not a single rapist

That didn't start by watching pornography There's a direct causal effect.

It doesn't mean that everyone who watches pornography will go and rape But every rapist started by watching pornography

And so they end up in this worldview where they want to support the thing that creates the rape culture

They just don't want the rape culture Why because they want to watch the pornography too even the women

Okay as the case that I've in the conversation I had She likes watching pornography

But yet that's the thing that produced someone to to have the ideas and the thoughts to do that So so it's it's again.

It's just like jp has inconsistency So do does everybody who argues?

for The the situation of like he's making of well in rape it's an acceptable case

Yeah Abortions should be completely banned and for the record.

I don't believe any of the bs that says Well, a baby isn't a baby until we want it to be a baby

No A baby is a baby from the moment of conception and there's evil lunatics out there that want to be able to kill babies

Up until the moment of birth and there's even a california bill that's been proposed

That would allow people to kill babies up to 28 days After birth, there's no question in my mind that there's nothing but pure evil behind this

And if you give these evil lunatics an inch, they'll take a mile, but they'll take that mile inch by inch

So your mind acclimates along the way and can't okay. I'll stop it there because notice what he's saying.

He's saying It starts at conception Yep Says you can't give these evil people an inch

Why has he got the three months Because he's giving them three inches or three three months instead of nine, right?

He's he's he's giving in the inch. He's saying we can't give in an inch, but he did it

Yeah Because if it's start if it's a life at conception, there's no argument

For not making it at conception that you can't have an abortion. I'll tell you one of the troubling things, too

Not with what he says but that bill in california That's actually been been talked about in committee for at least a year and a half now

It's probably been longer new york's been talking about it for at least a year now as well I think theirs was up to a week after if i'm not mistaken but uh the argument that that a lot of pro -lifers or abolitionists use um in talking about the the pro

Death movement is that they say well, they believe it's a a clump of cells I don't believe that's true.

I don't believe people who are pro -death or pro -choice by their own Admission that they actually believe it's a clump of cells.

They know it's a baby And I think so much much they say as much as the abortion mills when we go out to abortion mills they say

I i've heard it i'm going in to murder my baby today They're proud of it

They're they're not a victim That's right and look no further than every

Yeah, look no further than every hospital website that you pull up and go to their pregnancy section

And you will see hospital websites full of information about your baby at four weeks as now as a developing heart

Your baby at eight weeks now has this your baby at 12 weeks now has this the whole time These websites are calling it a baby.

Everybody who's pregnant knows it is a baby Quite distinguish how outrageously evil the acts are unchecked.

You can only just Imagine where these evil lunatics will have abortion in 20 years.

Oh your kid's two years old Does he talk yet? No. Oh, well a clump of cells isn't really a human until it learns language

So why don't you take him out back for an abortion while we celebrate you? Okay, so you might be saying

Okay gp you think abortion is pure evil yet you don't think it should be a hundred percent banned

Don't you think we have a responsibility to protect unborn children? That's a great question and I could imagine how

That could be very true. And another way i'm looking at it in this moment is through the lens of a freedom maximalist for the baby inside that mother

God has assigned that mother and father to be the protectors of him or her And in the name of not letting the god -given freedom and sovereignty over the mother's being being infringed on while the baby's inside of her

I do worry that outsiders stepping in to try to protect the unborn child

Could be an erosion of freedom that exists on a very slippery slope And if the parents not only don't protect the fetus but actually harm it then that means they are very

Protectors and from there that's perhaps for god to deal with them about Not for other people to play god and deal with them about and I don't know if i'm right with this part of my thinking

I just know it's what my thinking is in this moment. So in conclusion, I think abortion is evil

I think it's a very evil choice I believe children are divine droplets of god incarnated to allow divinity to unfold and for heaven on earth to be lived

And I think the killing of divine droplets of god is nothing other than satanic I also believe there's many loving women out there who have had abortions and now they feel the pain and regret of it to them

I say Please have a voice So your light can help illuminate a better way for other women out there

Who would otherwise be misguided by all the weaponized morality and the abortion propaganda?

I also believe that if you're in your heart and you truly ask for it God yourself and your baby's soul will forgive you.

We've all done things in our life We feel remorse about and certainly including me further in conclusion

I believe there is vicious propaganda out there that tries to frame abortion as a virtuous thing to do

I recommend never outsourcing your thinking to the propaganda or the evil tyrants controlling it while you think for yourself instead finally

I love evolving my thinking which means having the courage to disagree with what

I used to think is true So that I can learn grow and adopt beliefs that serve me better now

And I could be delusional but I think it's beneficial for everyone to do the same thing That's why

I made this video to help encourage it. Now to you What do you think about abortion?

Is it any different than what you used to think about it? What topics have you allowed yourself to change your thinking about over time?

And how have you become empowered as a result? And if you haven't changed your thinking about anything How's it feel to be super certain of yourself while you refuse to grow?

Let me know in the comments below and until next time Stay free my friend Okay Yeah, so I'm I will

I'm gonna end up uh, we'll bring bring it back in um in a bit Um But because I do want to since we played his full video,

I think we should also he's got like a minute and a half of commercials to help fund them so We might as well play those at the end.

Yeah, but there's a lot there that he said that is problematic divine droplets of god

Yeah, that's that that obviously points towards some type of eastern mysticism buddhism pantheism which have a lot of uh similarities so and and That really is jp's starting point is he's been that way in videos as far back as I can remember that i've seen of him um, his wife is a

Yoga person. I think she's very she's very into yoga. Yeah, so so when so it doesn't surprise me that that He would have that as his as his background anyway um freedom

Interesting, right? So for two years, we've we've been talking about freedom The rights we have from god freedom

What is a biblical viewpoint on freedom? Because I think a lot of christians get this one wrong as well

And so it's it's more rhetorical. I'm not putting on the spot andrew. Oh, I didn't know if you were asking me

I thought you wanted rhetorical so I was waiting for you to answer for folks, but I could answer if you want Go ahead. Go ahead and answer.

Well, I mean freedom is is what The autonomy that god gives to us is not a complete autonomy.

It's not a universal autonomy It's not an absolute autonomy. It is an autonomy that we have within what god has provided for us

And part of that is going to include When god creates us Where he puts us, you know, we have different freedoms in different countries

Right, but there's going to be universal freedoms that god gives to every human everywhere Yep, and it doesn't matter what the law is

But it its source is from god because he's the creator Yeah, and really

I would make the argument that freedom is the freedoms would be a subset of rights anyway

And so when we understand the privileges Um what he expects of us because that's where the freedoms are limited is in terms of his expectations

We don't have freedom to murder people uh, that's that would be uh, that would be something we can't do so, um, so obviously he comes from a standpoint of just total freedom and being what he calls a a free thinker whereas as christians we are to conform our minds to God's mind we are to read his word

And and that is what's supposed to be penetrating our hearts and our minds and that is how we're supposed to be living.

So um, obviously very different I just I want I really want to go through this video today because I just I really find the whole thing fascinating, right?

he would He would agree. We would agree with him in 95 of what he said

Something like that Maybe less maybe a little less when he the first half what he described the abortionist.

Yeah, we'd agree right with all that Uh, I mean I wouldn't agree when it comes to divine droplet, you know, he right he's referring to god but you know, and he even says you're you're satanist if you if you don't agree and yet he's

Allowing like he's basically saying yes, there's three months where you can be a satanist then after that you're good

But it starts the conception. It's just an inconsistent view. It's an inconsistent view and this is what happens

We don't start with a christian worldview Yeah, and that's and that's kind of the whole point of this video because if you start with a subjective point of view

You're you're trying to answer something with a subjective source rather than an absolute source

We're going to argue from an absolute standard And therefore we can say something is wrong not because we said it because it goes against the nature of god

There's a big difference there what makes it wrong is it is a violation of god's nature

Yep That's right and so, you know what what I would love is is uh,

I'll probably try to reach out through whatever channels I can find and I would love to have jp on and talk through This issue really any other um that he's that he's gone over and uh

And of course, you know Jp if you do run across this video

I'm guessing it's going to get tagged somehow and it might come out of your attention and I know we're like nobody's compared to your 2 .5

million subscribers but but in all in all sincerity, um,

I am I am thrilled that you had the courage to actually come out with a video like this

That could easily isolate you from a numerous of your followers, especially in today's climate with them leaking the

Uh the the announcement from the supreme court, I think purposely so that they could terrorize the justices and have them fear you know

To change your mind. Yeah, that's right. So So i'm really i'm really glad that uh that you came out the video had the courage to do this

And and that you landed on on on mostly

The right he he landed. I mean, I would say he landed in the right spot In the in his rationale yeah, meaning that Even though we

I think we'd say a different god But his rationale that god creates at at concept that that it's at conception that it's a life

And that god is the source of life. We that's he's right there. We have a different view of who that god is granted

But I think he's right there. It's it's and he's admitting he's being arbitrary and you know an inconsistent

So it's so it's not that In his defense, I guess it's not that he's just he's being completely inconsistent in the sense where It's hey, this is what it is.

No, he's saying It's arbitrary. I'm making it. I'm not sure And I I think that as he if he keeps thinking through it

He's gonna he's gonna have to land in You know more biblical position and say it's always wrong

Yep, I I would agree so so jp if you are watching or will be watching in the uh, the future on this

We would love to have you on and you can find us at strivingforeternity .org or info at strivingforeternity .org

Be the email. Yep And we'd be happy to get you on and and uh and talk through this

Um, obviously the most important thing jp is if you if you are watching our biggest concern is is really for your soul

It is it is that That even though you landed right almost right on this position, even though you've landed

Right or almost right on numerous other positions in the last year and a half that i've seen you do in your videos The bottom line is is that is that you are a wretched sinner

And you're going to face god on judgment day. It's not going to be this this yoga god

It's not going to be this this buddhist god this pantheism god. It is going to be

The one true god of the bible it is going to be jesus christ that you are going to face

And you're going to give an accounting for every one of your sins And the reality is it doesn't matter how much good you've ever done doesn't doesn't matter how many good videos you've put out

And to teach people the right way the reality is is that you're going to a punishment for your crime and rightfully so and and that Because you've sinned against god who's eternal your punishment is going to be eternal in hell

And so we pray that you Recognize that these values that you have floating on in your head that you're thinking through right now

They can only be pinned on god The god of the bible the creator god the one who gives all rights

Where we get our rights from where we get morality from that's the god That is is the real god and and we pray that you repent of your sin and put your trust in him and that jesus's

Death, burial resurrection paid that penalty for sin for those who repent and believe So jp,

I do hope that you you hear this and I do hope you come on and talk about this a little more

All right, so we we got a question that did come up earlier And uh

It is a question is is there a difference between church or saints lots of love from australia, so Um, let's deal with this

And then we got someone that's in back backstage so, uh In a sense.

Yes in a sense. No, I mean the church is the body of believers. It's it's the multitude of believers

Okay, and you're saying saints plural so Every believer is a saint. That's what the new covenant says, right?

We're a priesthood of believers We we're considered saints in the in the idea that we're set apart for god.

That's what a saint means We're set apart for god Which is not the catholic viewpoint of saints, correct?

Very different. Yes And so we would say that we are we are saints because the holy spirit indwells us and sets us apart

Well who makes up the saints the church so when you say between the church and saints

Well, if we're talking the universal or invisible church, which is the church of all believers then yes We would we would be saints if you're speaking of a local church the answer is

Possibly because you can have unbelievers in a local body so All right.

Let me bring uh cole in he was in the backstage first cole. Welcome to the show

Thanks guys. Good to see you again. Anthony Yeah, you too so um i've run into jp not like Personally but uh some of his videos with people that I watch considering like Tim cast some people might be familiar with tim cast.

He's an independent journalist And a lot the the question I put in the chat here about the libertarian classical liberal realm um, a lot of these people are going against the the old narrative of safe legal and rare because it is more and more obvious that There is no longer

Some kind of gray area that the left is taking when it comes to abortion they're more on the abortion for any reason position and so They're against that right?

But the issue with the libertarian realms is that they they are having trouble with the conundrum of allowing the government to take authority over a person's bodily autonomy in either direction whether forcing someone to live with another being within them

Versus or whether saying they can choose whether or not that being can be removed from them now i'm with you guys on on this argument, but i'm posting this because I keep hearing this and i'm

Trying to figure out how do we work? from that position and help that Thought process along to where we can get to the abolition

Because that would require government Just help me with the i'm not sure

I fully understand the question. Well, how would well, how would we navigate the issue from because What we're what we're advocating for on as christians is the abolition of Abortion as a la carte for any reason, right?

And the libertarians who are kind of on the fence kind of what we're what we're talking about here about So How do we move someone from jp's position to ours?

Is that the question? Yeah, because their issue and the reason and the issue that they're on the fence about is the government having a say in this and I think it's something similar to Capital punishment because there are some of us in the christian realm that would say okay capital punishment and murder

But we are not cool with allowing the government to put people to death because there's issues

With you know wrongful accusation and different things like that. So it's kind of one of those messy areas so let me let me answer it this way is twofold one

Someone like jp already has the right view He already realizes that life begins at conception

So Now he's got to see That it's murder at any stage and therefore the the thing

I was going to say second is The way you do it is you have to reframe the argument

They have been gaslighted told a lie long enough that they believe that this argument is about a woman's right and With how the woman feels and what the woman has to put up with And they are they're not conditioned to think about it from the child

And I will tell you it is really hard to get them to change that mindset. That's the issue

So our whole argument is based on the perspective from the protection of the child

Not what the mother wants quite frankly, it doesn't matter what the mother wants she's a mother

She's pregnant. She now keeps that child. It doesn't matter how she got that child

That is a human being that has human rights And that's the way that I end up arguing it is

To to reframe the question Where I don't care what you think about your rights are

The human being in your womb has rights Yeah, this becomes one of the issues

This is one of the only issues where again anthony is it god ordained, right? It's not american rights.

It's correct So This this becomes one of those one of the only issues where the the human rights of the individual

Are compromised as the adult, right? being the mom it's one of those only only things because now we have we're not just in the libertarian realm of Like the non -aggression principle or I or self -ownership where now we have two beings that are interlocked

Together and one's life is contingent upon the others for a time, right? So this is the basis of the argument right there, too

I'm, just coming at it from a different angle and I always find it like I agree with what you're saying and it's hard to posit that into somebody because there's so much emotion wrapped up in the issue with people and I always try to come at it from the

The like how jp was saying about you know, maybe this issue should have been thought about before The act that brought the conception to bear

Right. There should have been something to happen there. And what are we doing as a society as communities

To make sure that when things happen That go south and there are what how they say unwanted pregnancies or unexpected pregnancies that we have we have community safety nets instead of Offloading our responsibility to government agencies or third parties that actually have malintent in mind

Well, the issue is when it comes to the government is where do they get the authority? The the authority that they get is from god.

God gives them the authority to govern and So they don't have the authority to murder

They have the authority of capital punishment um You know chris huddle says no one has a god -given right to murder a child in the womb and that's the whole issue

Right. Where does the government get their rights? They get their rights from god And it's actually they don't even get rights from god, right?

I mean in a sense they do in terms of what they are allowed to do But yeah, really there's a

I mean in romans 13. They are the servants of god to carry out carry out

Punish the wicked according to god's standard correct, so and and so oh

We have officially entered into anthony time All right. I now have a special chime It's amazing.

I got my zvn hand special chime. This is Anthony time is when we go over the two hour mark

Which seems to happen a lot when anthony's here actually every time anthony's here. That's why it's called anthony time

So these are the bonus bonus hours Or bonus time sometimes it is hours

So welcome to anthony time So does that answer your question cole? Yeah, um, i'm more trying to I I enjoy all of this and getting the the feedback with from the scripture side of it it's

The thing I think that comes to mind is when we're dealing with people that are not saved versus saved

There's there's a gentleness that needs to be there in consideration in order in bringing

This message to them and also having a gospel there Ultimately, there's going to be that uncomfortable moment where it's

Hey, we're all sinners and we're all going to hear go into hell if we don't have salvation and restoration

And we have to get through that gospel that hard part of the gospel message but I think also like Me trying to pot like i'm glad you guys have the jp a video here because I didn't know you guys were

Hip to what that was what was going on with that because i'm in these realms a lot I've done podcasting and I I have friends on discord, which is another video chat

App that are in california. They're in northern california, but they're like What they're on the surface you would see them and think that you know, the left would go

Oh, that's a diverse group and it's like no, they're they actually hate everything that the left is about And it's hilarious because there's there's like a chinese lady who whose family had escaped um communism under mao

There's a couple ex -muslims. There's all kinds of people in there and we all hate what's happening in our culture right now

She's got to be pretty old like She's in late 40s

She can't be late 40s if she's under like I think it was either her grandparents or they might have been post mal because I remember she said that She was little when they came here from hong kong because her family went from china to hong kong and then here my my father -in -law uh

Escaped under mao. Okay. Okay, so And he was he he was in his 80s when when he passed five years ago.

So yeah, I mean her family tree came through so I may be misspeaking exactly how to describe that but it's still like I give these conversations with them and it's sometimes it's hard to bring this

Bring the gospel to them because they're caught up in the cultural moment of it and it's easy to just meme about it and get stuck in the mire of complaining and well, the the thing is is a lot of times what you end up having to do is

Just in the argument, you know, like if we're if you're in the discussion of abortion I'll give you for instance.

I referenced the the woman at purdue that I was at There was a point where She was so emotional with The issue of abortion and and what she suffered being raped and and aborting her child

That I just I stopped and I literally said can I explain to you why i'm out here? What what i'm doing out here?

Just completely break the conversation Change topics and then I just shared the gospel for 20 to 30 minutes

And and just made it about the gospel i'm here for this reason and I explained the gospel

Now we ended up she ended up getting into another You know bringing up the abortion and then someone else came in and we got into the abortion issue again

But there are times where with the best thing to do is just do a a shift to just break the conversation say look, let's just We're not going to agree on this, but I want to explain to you something very important that Why i'm out talking to you why

I want to talk to you And just explain the gospel And and and just leave that conversation if if you have to Because a lot of times that's what you're going to have to do

I I think I experienced that on the other night. I had there's one of the guys from that's in that same discord

He's actually in norway and he's more He's more he comes across more or he came across to me a more orthodox christian

But then I got into it with him and he's now he's more he's actually universalist and There was a point where we were talking about things and I just that's what

I did like The whole conversation just shifted because I started asking him questions about what he believed about things and then it was just hold on I gotta

I gotta get through this part of romans because we're over here complaining about what they're doing in pride month and grooming children

And it's peak romans one like verse 20 something to the end and I got through went down through part of the romans road with him and we ended the conversation well, but it was like that was that was what needed to happen and I couldn't have like four or five people it was just me and him and then there was one guy who was just kind of Like away from his keyboard.

So him one -on -one worked way better discord is sometimes going to be like open air evangelism You just got a bunch of people jumping in any any which way

So, uh, so is that that helpful for you? Yes. Thank you very much. All right I'm going to put you backstage um chris honholds had said this, uh

God has given them authority to wield the sword the government the Government's god -given duty is to protect against evil and punished evil doers so Let us bring in the one the only pastor

Josiah, how are you, sir? I'm better than I deserve. How are you doing better than I deserve?

Thank you Yeah, I I watched the jp sears video and I was like Okay, i'm ready.

I'm ready to hear what he has to say because I know he's not a believer I know he has a pretty foul mouth So i'm like, okay

He did beep himself so we're able to play it so I was glad for that I didn't have to go beep him Yeah, so I was just I was just ready and he uh

He was like, uh, you know Abortion is is is murder.

It's a terrible decision it's uh it Your life begins at conception.

So i'm like Okay, where is he going to start ticking me off? And then he anything is like Are you saying that you get ticked off easily maybe?

Well, he said he said that he's going to take off conservatives and I self -identify as a conservative

Oh, yeah You're right. It sounded like he was going to take a really middle position the way he laid it out in the beginning

And he and he really didn't No Well, he did and he didn't

I think what I think he knew I could be wrong. I think he knew that His position people like us would say is inconsistent

And he knew it but he's just saying because he's saying it's arbitrary. He knows him So I think he expected the

The claim that he's being arbitrary because he said it and his ultimate authority even though he he invoked

You know his god multiple times his ultimate authority was his version of freedom

As he said, so that's where he said his thoughts as he comes from What's that?

And he said it was his thinking evolved over time His thinking evolved over time but it was but it was him being a freedom lover, right that he

And that's where he really had the issue of a of a female Um being forced to keep the child in the first three months

He didn't want the government to come in Yeah, he really needs to be reinforced on that that child is a human being from the womb and that god's given that child unalienable rights, but I think the only way we're going to change his minds through the gospel well the gospel would

Definitely, you know change his mind on a lot of things, but I would say I don't know that he's that far off I mean if jb came in the simple question

I would ask is why are you being arbitrary? I mean if you if you recognize that it's murder you recognize it's an evil

For whatever reason first off you're saying for three months And you're saying it's arbitrary for any reason

Why would you legalize murder that would be my question For for three months or any period of time, but he said it he said it was because of freedom, right?

That was his yeah, but but the freedom See, there's a wrong view. No, no, no, but the thing is for freedom.

But why does why is freedom limited to three months then? Why not nine one because that's the argument abortionists make is that's right.

It's it's a freedom issue But then if you argue based on freedom, well Hey, guess what?

Two -year -old child and i'm not having the freedom I thought i'd have it wasn't a joy that I thought it'd be and i'm i'm

Tied down with this kid and I can't go out drinking like I used to do Maybe he thinks three months is long enough for the female to be able to make it through and make the decision, right?

um, I don't know, uh, I I think he's probably wondering like maybe the woman who isn't

Doesn't really know whether or not she's actually pregnant and I I don't know his thinking It's a he's an unbeliever.

He's going to have some skewed thinking Yeah, well, that's right. There's a blindness there.

So Um, you know, I like chris honnold said to say here It cannot be a discussion about a mother's right versus a baby's right and that that's correct

The baby the baby has a right to not be murdered, right? We've we've talked about this in previous shows that one category of rights is is protections and that would be

Consistent with with god's nature. So on one hand god says do not murder

On the other side of the same coin you have a right to not be murdered Do not steal the other person has a right to not be stolen from right?

That's a those are protections That's one of the categories Um, the mother doesn't have the right to murder the baby, right?

So those are Those two rights are not the same so yeah I I do want to change gears a little bit and uh,

I want to ask you a very complicated question it's it's going to be one of the hardest questions you're gonna have to answer because i've heard professors and uh psychologists and doctors can answer this look what is

It's Yeah, you beat me too. I was gonna say I think I know the question I was gonna be a prophet

A woman a woman very simply is whatever god the creator Says a woman is

So i'm, sorry, matt walsh got it wrong here. Let me correct that his wife got it wrong um

A woman is not a an adult female because a female is still a woman even if they're younger, but Ultimately A woman is what god says because he created them man

Male and female. Yeah And you know while I don't always like to quote him Um, I do think he is is one of the better apologists today in applying scripture to society and societal issues

But uh, doug wilson did a video on this not too long ago and talked about A female is not a female because she's x x in her chromosomes while that's true

The better argument is that she's a female by nature Right, and and I I absolutely agree with him

He's he's right about that female by nature and because it's it's all encompassing in terms of how god designed a female and and and the reason i'm

I make the argument the way I do josiah I know, you know this and you're asking it

Just as I asked it when dr. Nielsen was uh, dr. Jensen was on and I asked of dr.

Dan, which he could be a visionary I'd love dr. Dan come on and and give us an hour where he can explain that that would be a lot of fun um, but but the reality is is

The creator You see that's why I word it that way because god created us

He's the creator. That's what gives him the right To define it any way he wants

So it we we have to go off of god's definition because he created us male and female

So the fact that he the creator has Limited us to two genders.

He could have made more if he wanted to he's created some animals that are

That don't have a gender Right, there is no male and female He could have done that He chose not to he chose that for human beings.

We would be male female and only male and female Yeah, that that was a that was a better answer than what

I was expecting. I was I was expecting like a bible verse like Genesis 1 27 where god said

What does it say again, I just forgot it maybe it's just because i'm not even What do you what did you want a male and female

Yeah, he made the male and female Yeah It's late.

You're tired. That must be what it is Yeah, Josiah and I have been doing dr.

Berg's um low carb clean keto Diet, we're on a text chain

There's like what four of four of us or five of us on it now five of us That's five.

We just had one Yeah, okay and uh, and so so I I know that you just started this couple weeks ago, which means that you're probably your body's still adjusting to the low blood sugar and Learning how to burn the fats better Probably probably.

Yeah, i've lost a lot of weight like 18 pounds Already good awesome good for you

Yeah That's been good But I I think that uh that wraps it up.

It's uh, yeah a woman is a is what god determines a woman to be You see and and and dr.

Dan the the evolutionary biologist would have no answer to that I mean, he's he's gonna give you all this. Oh, well just the reality is the creator has spoken

You're the creation You have no right to redefine what the creator has defined

Do you think Do you think matt walsh might fall short because he's a he's a evolutionist and a catholic maybe

And he's not trying to he is trying to put out a secular movie

Um, i'm just gonna meet you while I talk because we're getting a lot of feedback from you josiah, sorry, um, but the reality is is that we end up looking at is the fact that um

Matt walsh not only is not a believer a lot of people criticized him because they were saying well The answer is from is the gospel

Now you the gospel is not the answer to what a woman is like and people are like well The missing part of this that documentary was the gospel

Why would you expect a christian? Sorry, non -christian to put the gospel and I wouldn't want matt walsh to put the gospel in there

Because he put the wrong gospel in there Okay Um And I wouldn't expect like I don't know what it is with christians

There are some christians that think everything has to have the gospel message Like if it doesn't have the gospel message, it's it's a failure.

He's doing a documentary on what a woman is He's not saved Don't expect the unbelievers to act like believers

Yeah Okay, someone was asking what what's that diet called? Anthony said look up.

Dr. Eric the clean intermittent fasting Yeah, he's got a lot of easy to follow videos.

Um, I I highly recommend him Yeah, is that the guy you sent me some something on the uh with the um, the tea for long blood pressure

Probably yeah um, yeah, no, I i'm trying the tea we'll see because um

But yeah, I have I have actually started every monday I fast I do a fasting every monday um

And you can do that for a little while now. It just works really well for you So well it did except for I was traveling all of may

And so no running and and no fasting. Um and eating out and so I picked up about 10 pounds and i'm just I'll tell you i'm just not in the mood to run anymore.

But uh, But it'll come back Yeah, you get it back off again

Yeah, clean keto actually makes it a lot easier when your body switches over into more of the fat burning mode

And you're not you're not eating lard like all those people doing keto for years. We're doing It's it's avocados.

It's nuts. It's some healthier things and And uh when you do the intermittent fasting, you're not even hungry eat one or two meals a day and uh, and that's it

Yeah, you know, that's that's the thing once I got used to fasting once a week it really was interesting that I I was actually okay with like I'm not

I don't get hungry so Yeah So All right, so healthy diet for beginners.

Dr. Berg Yeah, he has okay. So I know this is completely off topic from what we were doing today, but this is really cool

So he says lemons almost all the nutrition in a lemon is in the seed and the peel

So he advocate advocates for washing your lemon really good organic is best wash it really good

And throw it in a blender whole thing Eight ounces of water a few ice cubes a couple drops of stevia if you wish to sweeten it

Blend the whole thing up and drink it And I kid you not you get more energized from that than any caffeine anything that you can drink

So I do that nearly every day one whole lemon with water like what once a day eight ounces of water once a day

Yep, okay little stevie if you want to sweeten it up So it's not that was the thing with so my blood pressure issue is actually retaining water.

That's that's the problem and uh The The thing is that I actually you know saw that lemons will reduce it's one of the thing lemon water will help with Getting with with the retaining water.

So that's right Because it regulates the hormone it starts it helps to regulate the hormones All right, well, let's let's get to we we did have a uh

The email that came in called quote curious supporter so Let me give this an answer

Uh, so this is from stephanie. He says Okay, i'm gonna jose thanks for jumping in thanks jose it says uh, this is from stephanie says hello i've been listening to you guys

Uh Okay, he just says that I was getting feedback I've been listening to you guys for a couple of years now and finally became a patreon supporter

Uh right as I did Andrew, sorry, you're about your mother. Uh, I I feel

Uh, I feel good about donate Donation timing and hope it was of some use so it was kind of parenthetical but uh, right as I did um

She's saying that's when my mother died. Honestly, I I was worried for a bit mostly listened on spotify

And there were quite a few weeks where nothing was posted I almost thought uh, this particular podcast had been banned then

I traced through episodes and came out and Think i've been listening, uh to it three times

I've shown it to atheists A friend who claims to be a christian buddhist who believes in evolution and my own family i'm buying the book on payday and couldn't

Couldn't be more excited. Okay. I appear to be ranting now Let's get to the point while waiting on new apologetics live i've between the rap report um

I called a podcast called bible mysteries with scott and zania,

I think So, uh in she says it's intriguing for sure

I so she was asking for my feet what I thought and I haven't got a chance to listen to this bible mysteries

I don't know if Anyone else has but this is done by a catholic So, you know she says

I was hoping you could give it a listen explain your take on it He's catholic. I believe with a couple of wild quote reading in unquote beliefs uh

Really look forward to your next episode of project live. I might actually be home to see it tonight. I think she was here

Uh, but one thing I did want so I haven't seen the the bible mysteries yet If it's by a catholic just stop listening um

Because they're not going to give you anything really religious but There is something that came in with that that I do want to do.

First off. Let me say thank you for your support Uh your monthly support through patreon. We we appreciate that um,

I appreciate that your sympathies from my passing my mom, but There are several people who noticed that during the time that I was dealing with the death of my mom

There had been several episodes that didn't make it to the podcast uh, and so that is something because Anthony wasn't set up right and couldn't convert them and I was trying to Be out of things for a while I've downloaded all of the episodes that did not make it to the podcast that anthony had done

Those will be airing. I don't want to drop them all in one day So the plan that I have is i'm going to probably do two

A month to a week until we catch up We have several of them that we have

That that anthony had done and so We're going to hopefully pick those up pretty soon um

I'm, actually just going to go and look see how many there are so we got one two, three, four, five six

We got six of them. So give it about six weeks and you'll get through all of them Uh that we have so be expecting those be expecting to get a second

Episode and that's what they are um All right, so cole had a secondary question.

So we're going to bring him back in Cole welcome back. Yeah. Sorry. I forgot about it earlier, but um, no, um, one of the other issues that comes up along with the abortion thing

I hear a lot is uh issues of contraceptive Contraceptives when a lot of people on the left that I know will say oh these bills are going to do away with all

Of the things it's like well, these are things that I know that Traditionally the cath catholic church or catholics in general are against right?

So where do we really come down on these things? Because I know I believe the catholics get their position on no contraceptives from genesis 38 with Onan uh onan,

I think his name is with tamar where he he was commanded to help her bear a child, but because it wasn't going to be his he just He had he he exercised his pullout game to put it

Yeah, well that way right? And so was it so was it the actual spilling of the seed on the ground or was it the fact that he was refusing?

To do the thing he was It had nothing to do with spilling the seed on the ground It had everything to do with the fact that he was he had an obligation as a kinsman redeemer and he was he was

What he was doing in that culture a woman for a woman everything is

Is very much whether we agree with it in our culture or not. It doesn't matter in that culture for a woman

Having a child is very important It's everything and and there was a shame if you were a woman that didn't have a child

So what he was doing ultimately was for his own selfish purposes He was shaming this woman

He brought a shame upon her and so that is the reason so when it comes to contraception

Let's let me start with the easy thing first any post conception contraception is abortion and sinful so Plan b the the the the morning after pill

Okay, that is abortion Okay So that one clearly we can look to scripture and say wrong when you have pre -conception

Contraceptions things like condoms or the pill or things like that Uh the issue there is

This becomes a matter of conscience. There's no scripture. We could turn to and say it is absolutely right or absolutely wrong

It becomes a thing where some people will say well, we we leave this in god's hands now those who usually say we leave it in god's hands what they do is

They will take the temperature because you can actually check your the woman's ovulation based on the temperature and so Knowing that knowing how regular she is they will they will try to do things to not

Have a child the rhythm method what they call using the rhythm method or temperature because checking your temperature

There's actually a change in temperature in the woman Uh, I think a couple days before ovulation. It's not perfect, but it's perfect But but see that's so you are when you're doing that and you're saying well, we're leaving it to god

You are trying to control it right and so You aren't really leaving it in god's hands if you're going to leave it in god's hands you just Fool around and leave it in god's hands

I mean, that's what you do. So I I I personally don't think there's anything wrong with pre conception contraception

Yeah, I i'm Usually I have a pretty strong point a point of view on really everything.

Um This is one i'm not i'm not so sure Um stumped them.

Oh, but yeah. Well, no, this is a good thing Thanks for trying I I can't come up with scriptures personally,

I don't believe that a married couple should be using any type of Rhythm method contraceptive anything.

I I don't believe so because I View the the dominion mandate strongly and uh, and one of the major purposes for marriage

So I don't I don't like that personally um Having said that can

I call it sinful if if somebody yeah, chris hon holds you anthony? Nah, that's funny.

Um Oh, sorry, it's in the comments. Yeah me never not having an opinion on something so can

I call it sinful for a married couple to use some type of Of pre -conception as andrew calls it.

I can't I don't think I can call that sinful I just think from my perspective. I wouldn't do it and haven't done it having said all that the one thing that I will say to andrew is is um,

I am not a fan of birth control pills whatsoever And the reason why is because they can cause abortions in the first couple days after conception it can block a sperm and so The the moment a sperm and an egg join together that is in that's a new human being

When they join together in the fallopian tube there's still a day or two maybe even three before it floats down and Actually attaches itself into the uterus to start to grow

It's literally an abortion if you take the the if you're taking contraceptives

You can still have that that union of egg and sperm But it'll never attach to the lining and will be just flushed out.

That's a baby. I had thought about that because I knew how birth control worked in that way and I never really like I was like, maybe that's that still is abortion, but I was like Yeah, because of functionally the way you're describing it

In the logic of it. Yeah, that makes total sense The the other issue with with the birth control is we have entire generations of girls that have been on these things from Puberty on and they don't know how to deal with their emotions when they come off of them

I have friends that i've heard on in discords that talk about it. That's a whole other issue But oh, yeah, it messes with hormones tremendously which then affects personality and all kinds of of stuff there there's actually okay back in dental school and granted it's all secular science, but We had to get a pretty full medical education in dental school and I remember

When we had to learn about this subject that there are females who were attracted to guys

When on the pill when they got off the pill changed Because it was they had very different personalities and hormones

Not everyone, you know has this but but a number of females do So, yeah, just one more reason i'm not a huge fan of them interesting

So great great question though, right? the I guess I guess to take it to the next level it would then be like You know some people when they're done done having kids then they have medical intervention, you know

Tube ties and things like that. I'm sure you're From from your previous statement anthony.

You're probably not a fan of those things but personally but I guess maybe yeah, personally i i'm not

I mean You know, I I to be to be honest about all this stuff, you know we were very blessed to have anthony as a as a child and um

My my dream since I was a kid was to have many kids That I really wanted many kids and we didn't have an opportunity

You know, we we had miscarriage after miscarriage after miscarriage after miscarriage after after we had anthony

And um, we we we know of at least four And there were probably multiple others when you look back on it and know that she had the same symptoms

During other times that she had when she was having her miscarriages So, you know for us that was one of those

I mean look god's sovereign I'm, very delighted in having anthony at the same point. I would say that it was my choice

I would have like four or five little rugrats running around my house, right? Um, so so for me i'm kind of against I mean i'm kind of against stopping

Children from being born. I guess this this starts to get into the realm of where and correct me if i'm wrong where There was a point where Doctors and and and women and moms and dads, you know parents trying to have children would deal with these issues

As they come because we live in a fallen creation things don't just operate like clockwork. I mean we had my wife had a couple

Miscarriage right in the beginning, but we probably would have never known because A lot of times those miscarriages happen and it's just like another cycle unless you're actively trying and you're taking track you're gonna miss that You know, so these things

This is one of my problems with the left is they don't actually understand the arguments that conservatives and christians are making in these things

And i'm trying to work these out because our Our arguments from scripture are even a step further than where the pro -life and the christian the conservatives are

And I really appreciate you guys taking the time with these questions Oh, you're welcome.

They're great questions. Yeah It's always it's always great to have anthony admit that you know

He doesn't have an answer on something. Oh, I had an answer. I just can't I have the emphatic answer.

So right All right, that's right. My favorite answer you ever gave was right after the facepalm last week

I'm, just i'm just saying did you see my meme? I said I memed I captioned the thing where Uh, andrew asked the question.

What is a woman? Did you see them You could send send me

I'm gonna have to send it to you I captioned it I just exactly the way it happened. It was priceless.

Just the four of you sitting there and your expressions on your face Oh, yeah, that'd be great. Send that send that to us.

I I you know, look as a dentist as a practicing dentist I am so sick and tired of listening to dentists and doctors who went

Four years of school plus residency And they don't understand simple genetics. Oh, no, they understand it

They just they pretend not to yeah the reason I was Asking this question is if you listen to my interview which rapper where I had dr.

Jensen on Uh, or jeanson, sorry. I had dr. Jensen on I just asked him that question.

We went for another 20 minutes I wasn't planning to go that long but he just he got fired up because he was like explaining how it's frustrating for him as a scientist to see these people who

Study science and then throw it all out for their you know for the cultural agenda, you know, so Uh, yeah

Yeah. All right. Well, let's Where should I where where should I send info at striving for eternity .org?

And then i'll get it over to anthony as well Cool Thanks again guys.

You can put me backstage Yeah, so julian asks a question Do you guys know what the stats are and how many mothers die as a result of of abortion?

um I just looked it up because I knew it was really low But I didn't know what the exact number was and so I found an abstract pretty quickly

Although it was it's a little bit dated That said it's 0 .3 deaths per 100 000 abortions

So really it's about one one mother dies per 300 000 abortions.

It's about what the stats were according to this paper now It would not surprise me that a secular research paper would downplay those results.

Yeah So it could very well be higher than that, but that's that's at least the first big abstract I was able to pull

Okay, and uh, I I did say, you know, uh, since jp sears we played his whole his full video

He's got two minutes of commercials for support for for him So I think that it'd be good to play those but before I do that Let me just put you know, we were talking about diets and chris hon holds

Said I gotta get off my butt and back on my bike I think that's confirming the theory that I had earlier on why he's not captain america.

I'm just guessing here Um, I thought because it's he's not gay like the new captain america

Yeah, well that could be too All right. So with that anthony any anything else that uh that you have?

No, you know what? It's uh, it's been another another fun show again jp Uh, I do

I I would love for you to come on and just have an open discussion with us Yeah, and and this is funny, uh, so I have a you know,

I did a poll And I asked what is the the You know the greatest danger to the church

I gave four options Uh scripture not sufficient social justice word of faith new apostolic reformation,

I was actually surprised by the by this, uh, it was 72 sufficiency of scripture

I was surprised it wasn't higher because actually social justice, which was 13 .8

word of faith 7 .4 new apostolic reformation 6 .4. Those three all are under Sufficient Scripture everything is and so but I got a response because you know

Some people want to give the comments of you know, this must have been shared around by some atheists I've been getting some interesting comments all day long but uh

I I had um I did have some comments and uh, one of them

Just came in from j mcarthur c mc

So he says the the greatest danger to the church is white men

My response racist He says hey man you asked

I I brought the answer the the receipts speak for themselves I said you're still a racist

Uh, I had a guy that responded in a similar another guy that said this a similar thing when

I called him a racist He got very upset with me for how how dare you call me a race. You gotta support that um, and he uh he said

Basically, you know prove it. So I just circled the word white and uh

And put that there. So let me let me as a last thing before we play jp is put the meme up that we just got

So there it is Uh, let me remove the banner real quick So so there you have the host me saying what is a woman uh, anthony as the theologian, which is kind of interesting because I think you're the apologist.

I'm the theologian So I gotta get that meme but but uh Theologian putting his hands over his eyes there and then the secular biologist.

It's complicated And and Anthony myself and the christian biologist are all laughing although anthony's eyes are covered

And this guy's trying to make an actual argument that it's complicated really complicated. It's a hard thing We you know, we can't really know

I spent a whole semester trying to teach people this silly nonsense I just I just have to believe that that he's scared of losing his

His tenure or something right with with his job Teaching it.

I mean if he's scared he wouldn't teach it Drew drew says that he should have had anthony as the dentist.

Yeah, but cole you gotta update that the dentist Yeah, or you could put fake doctor

Yeah, well Obviously I was not the fake doctor on that panel yeah, obviously not so uh with that folks i'm just gonna uh

I'm just gonna uh give you the the rest of what was um Shared there on From from jp and then we'll close out.

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