The Good Ol' Boys of Georgia and Calls on a Variety of Topics

And welcome to The Dividing Line on a Thursday afternoon. Beautiful day here in Phoenix, Arizona. It actually sort of dried out a little bit here at the surface, so we don't have much in the way of storms, dust storms, and light going on, but it also means it's going to get rather hot.

I think, what, 108 today, something like that. I saw somebody on Facebook complaining that it was 89 degrees outside, and I'm like, must be nice. I think it got down to 89. Actually, it wasn't too bad this morning, I'll have to admit.

I got back to running this morning, and it wasn't too bad, wasn't too bad. 877 -753 -3341 is the phone number, 877 -753 -3341. While I was gone, there were various developments in the Ergon-Kanner situation.

That looks weird up there. It's all pixelated. That's strange. I wonder why that is. But anyway, there were developments in the Ergon-Kanner situation on a number of fronts. You may not be aware of the fact that—do you notice the screen's all pixelated?

It looks really weird. I don't know why, but it's odd. The first was, of course, of the two, because there were—that's much better. Thank you. It just looked like—I don't know. Remember the first RGB monitor that we got?

Wow, that was cool. Color, that was—I think it was 640x480 resolution, and it was RGB. And after years of staring at a 6-inch green screen and then a 12-inch amber screen, RGB was wild stuff. But as soon as I started doing that, everybody else joins in.

Yeah, well, I remember my first 300-Baud modem. Well, I remember when you stored stuff on a cassette tape player. And then it just gets really bad after that, so we just—let's stop the old—.

Actually, I think you missed it earlier today. Turret and Fan was talking about his abacus. Yes.

I think that trumps all. Yeah, but he's not actually that old, so it doesn't—. I actually—my first portable computer actually was the size and weight of a Singer sewing machine. Remember the Compaq? Oh, yeah, that was—that was great.

I used to have to haul that around here or there, you know, a couple of places. I know, I know. I'm not sure what we ever eventually did with it. I don't know either.

I just remember Mike and I having to apply for a $3 ,000 bank loan to get that thing. It didn't even have a hard drive. It was great. It was a beast. Oh, it was a beast. And WordStar dot commands and all that wonderful, fun stuff.

It was great. But see, here we go. Stop, stop, stop. There's no ending to old people reminiscing about old computer technology. What is this? You can't—it's like a—. Remember PC number five? Stop, it's a disease.

I was talking about Ergen-Kanner, which is also a disease. So we just move on. Ay, ay, ay. Okay, what happened? Well, hopefully you all realize there have been two lawsuits. Both have been settled against Ergen-Kanner.

Well, he failed in both of them, and in an epic fashion. And in the first of the two, because it had originally been one lawsuit, and then it was split into two appropriately. And in the one against Jonathan Autry, you know, the one where Kanner clearly was just—he was on a fishing expedition.

He wanted to know who Turreted Fan was, wanted to know what role I was playing. You know, all this kind of stuff. You know, they asked for attorney's fees, and they got them. What was it? $34 ,000. And the judge very rightly recognized this was frivolous.

It was not—the reason for it was not in any way, shape, or form copyright-protected material. It was an attempt to suppress criticism of Ergen-Kanner for his life of lies. And everybody knew it, and thankfully the judge saw it and slapped him upside the head real good.

And the quotes in the judgment are epic and completely appropriate. And has the great grand master of spin attempted to get around that? I've never even—I haven't even bothered to look. But Dr. Peter Lumpkins, vice president of communications at Bruton-Parker College, I would be really interested in seeing if he actually attempted to spin the words of the judge, or if he has just been silent.

I don't think any of it ever happened. Oh, okay. I think that's the approach. Never happened, okay. Nothing to see here. Move along.

There is a second judgment waiting yet to happen, and that is in the second lawsuit with Jason Smathers. And we certainly hope that the judge will act on the request for attorney's fees there, and that justice will be done in the same way as in the Jonathan Autry case.

And it would be nice if the judge would make similar comments, and once again demonstrate that Ergen-Kanner was abusing the legal system, and that he was doing so solely for the purpose of suppressing criticism of his many, many, many, many, many, many, many lies, which he has yet to repent of.

And yet, today is the 17th of July. You say, what's the relationship? Real simple. May I say something to Georgia Baptists for a moment? Y 'all got a problem. Y 'all got a serious problem down there. Notice I'm saying y 'all, so that we can communicate better.

Y 'all got a problem. Now, my dear daughter has moved to Georgia. Today I was FaceTiming with my beautiful granddaughter, who is now a little girl rather than just a little baby. She only says a few words, but I'm sensing an accent.

I really am. I may need to contact SkyMan again and ask for translational assistance. Anyway, you folks in Georgia, amongst Georgia Southern Baptists specifically, the Georgia Baptist Convention, which I think is the name of the Southern Baptists there, y 'all got a problem.

You got some big problems. Today is the 17th of July. That means 10 days from now on the 27th. As of the last information that I had, as of the last information I have, Ergon Kanner will be preaching at one of the largest Southern Baptist churches in Georgia.

And he will be preaching with the full knowledge of the leadership of that church in regards to his activities, his lies, and his utter lack of repentance. And it's tragedy. It's just tragedy. I am certain that Ergon Kanner will attempt to spin this into the beginning of his restoration.

I don't think it's going to work for one simple reason, and that is, I think, that the Bruton-Parker situation is going to crash and burn. And that is the other illustration, because another thing that has happened was a man whose expertise is in accreditation issues wrote an article a few days ago responding to a video that Ergon Kanner posted basically telling everybody, don't worry about Bruton-Parker and Sachs.

Don't worry about our accreditation thing. We're fully accredited. We're going to stay fully accredited. All is well. Everything's good. This is just a bump in the road. We are in great financial situation.

We got all sorts of students coming. Well, this fellow who actually knows what he's doing responded and said, this is a bunch of lies. They have swung third time. They have struck out. And I think next month, it's over with.

And they're out of Sachs. Their accreditation is gone. And shortly after posting this, within what, a day and a half, two days? All of a sudden, the post disappears and is replaced with an apology. For what?

For telling the truth? Evidently, telling the truth amongst Georgia Southern Baptists, if it violates the central dogma of Georgia Southern Baptists, is a bad thing. What's the central dogma? It's a dogma that actually is sadly very much a central dogma for Southern Baptists as a whole.

But it takes on a new character in Georgia where politics reigns absolutely supreme. Absolutely supreme. And I'm not telling you anything you don't already know. And that is, specifically, thou shalt not speak badly of a Southern Baptist leader even if you're telling the truth.

That's the problem. That is a major problem among Southern Baptists. You're just not allowed to speak the truth. All that stuff, we have our ways of dealing with it and it's behind closed doors and it's done in a gentlemanly manner.

Reminds me of Braxton Bragg at Chattanooga for those of you who are Civil War historians. So all of a sudden the truth about Cantor's Again, I'm sorry. The man couldn't tell the truth if his life depended on it.

He's given evidence of this over and over and over again. He was really proud of calling himself the pit bull of evangelicalism. Well, there are certain people that just get up ahead of steam and they just run over everybody.

And that's what Ergon Cantor is all about. I've just never seen anything like it and no one will just stand up and stop the man who is in a position to do so. It's shocking to me. And so my gut feeling is that the Bruton Parker situation is going to just blow up.

And he and P .D. Lumpkins drag this place under and that may really put a crimp in the in the rejuvenation of the Ergon Cantor persona and image and so on and so forth. I don't know. But there is no question of the fact that the upcoming the upcoming megachurch appearance is just one of those illustrations where politics just rules supreme.

You don't give the pulpit of your church to a man that you know is an unrepentant liar. You just don't do it. I can't respect that. I don't care what the reasons are and I don't care if you sit there and say well you know certain people just got a tender heart.

If you're the pastor of a church you better not have such a tender heart that you will not defend the integrity of the pulpit of the church that you've been entrusted with. It's just there's no excuse.

There's none. It's just if I didn't think the Lord was in charge there would be times I would just I don't know. That's what's coming up July 27th and I just shake my head and go well this is simply how things are.

I noticed Micah just now mentioning the story that I was talking about on the dividing line yesterday. There may be a time warp in California where they just slow the news down. Anyway there was one other thing that happened while I was gone in the Cantor situation and everybody and their uncle wanted to drag me into the middle of it.

I'm thankful that I was away so that some of the emotion can dissipate. I think honestly I don't know that God ever designed us to function in the context that we are functioning in today where news comes at us with tsunami force so many things so fast and we are expected to respond like that.

I've certainly done it I bet you've done it too. Sometimes it takes time to think through the developments in the world around us and to give a meaningful response it takes some effort and it takes some thinking and it takes time and it takes reflection and so on and so forth.

I refer specifically to what happened with JD Hall and Ergen Cantor's son. I only caught portions of it while it was happening because I was on the road I was away when you're sitting trying to get Wi-Fi at a place you're not used to there are people on Twitter going, hey you need to comment on this and you need to get on this side and you need to get on that side and I saw some real nastiness going on during that particular incident there were I had a lot of thoughts once I I'm not even claiming to have seen all of it now one of the things that bothers me is social media.

I mean the shooting down of the airliner today. Part of the sources of information is social media. When did. Well I guess it's been that way for a while because the first place I heard about the tsunami the Japanese tsunami asking, remember was Twitter and I actually saw footage of the tsunami wall coming in via a link off Twitter before I saw it on television.

I turned the television on to cable news but I saw the stuff first through Twitter. That's again part of the weirdness of the situation we face today. But anyway part of the problem was some of the I haven't completely figured out tweet bot because I would see parts of conversations but I wouldn't see other parts of conversations and sometimes I'm not completely certain how all the following stuff works so you can end up with half the information and only seeing half the story and seeing someone mentioning what somebody else says.

So you think they said it and it's actually somebody else that said it. We've all seen these things just blow up and most people were really confused about who said what to whom in what order and everything else.

So I was really concerned about that and remain concerned about that because I'm not 100 certain of all the details but add to that that I wasn't even trying or not in a situation to be able to do so so I didn't get involved in it.

I just sort of watched afterwards from afar and saw some of the aftermath and there was some real backbiting. It got ugly. No two ways about the fact thank you for spelling that I didn't know what a georia baptist was but now I know it's a georgia baptist.

Thank you if you're not familiar with what happened there was a very very brief exchange on twitter between Ergen Kanter's oldest son and J .D. Hall and what I saw of it was frightening. Frightening because the response from Ergen Kanter's son was I just say I'm old enough to say there's problems.

There's serious problems. The pictures I saw serious problems really really serious problems. And reason for sincere concern for that young man. There's no question about it everybody want to know. Would you have ever engaged his son.

No I wouldn't have. I think I would have if he had engaged me that to me I think would be a major difference if he contacted me via twitter or something like that I think I probably would have responded to him.

I don't think I would have ignored him but that's not what happened and J .D. has written about has written a response and obviously very clearly to me within what one or two back and forth he realized I'm dealing with someone here that may in my mind be old enough to engage as at least a mature young person but clearly isn't and so backed off.

A number of people went after him with pitchforks and fire and you know I've got to leave J .D. to answer his critics on that because only he can speak to his motivations. I do think you leave kids out of it so you don't search them out.

I've certainly seen people trying to do that with me. I've seen people trying to bring family issues in digging through family history and everything else and so I've got absolutely no interest in that at all and so it really a lot of it would really have to be.

Do you trust what J .D. says about his intentions. And secondly for me it would have been extremely important who initiated the contact if the young man is allowed to engage in social media unsupervised and it certainly seems from what I've seen that that's the case and wanted to make comments from that perspective that would be one thing but it seems like he was sought out and so that would be a problem.

But unfortunately that has greatly distracted from the real issue. And the real issue is still Ergen Kanner and will always be Ergen Kanner until Ergen Kanner recognizes that there are certain requirements incumbent upon a person who seeks to hold the positions that he seeks to hold specifically to be a leader of Christian young people and Christian education and to be a Christian minister behind a pulpit.

It seems to me that when Ergen when Butch Michael Kanner sought to minister to students at Columbine that was a very different individual than Ergen Ergen, Mehmet Giovanni whatever trained jihadi son of polygamist Islamic scholar Dr. Kanner etc.

All the lies that he created to create this persona to make up for the fact that his conversion was his conversion sadly was a wonderful story. Unfortunately here is a real illustration of theology mattering.

The theology that he was taught led him to conclude that it wasn't a good enough story that the salvation of a nominal Muslim kid who was raised with a absent Muslim daddy exposed on a nominal level to Islamic tradition and religion but who obviously never took it overly seriously.

Pictures of him in high school demonstrated that he did not take it overly seriously. His abject ignorance and mistakes in public lectures on Islam demonstrated he did not take it overly seriously still was converted.

And that would have been a perfectly good story. It just wouldn't have made him into this WWF or WWE or whatever you call it now persona that he wanted to be. That would have been enough that would have been great.

But that's all the past. Now he will always be the issue and anything that distracts from that issue just gives his small cadre of someday to be judged for their actions supporters and enablers further ammunition with which to defend not even defend.

They're not defending. They're seeking to create as much smoke and distraction recognizing that people's attention spans are so short that they will they will run after everything and anything. And it's sad when I hear Christians saying this is so four years ago wow explains our relationship with church history.

Doesn't it really does so that took place while I was gone and I only heard about it like I said after I came to the channel and I'm like what what what and it took a few days just simply to track down even what few things I could track down as to what had actually taken place.

Obviously I would very strongly recommend prayer for Erick and Cantor's family for those young children if what we're saying is true and there is a pattern of lies that's going to impact all of one's life.

It's not just going to be in one area of one's life. And it's a shame to see that it really is so that took place while I was gone. The large financial settlement it's not a settlement. The attorney's fees initial the first of two was decided.

I learned that the preaching assignment for July 27th was going to go ahead despite the knowledge of pretty much everybody involved concerning Cantor's utter lack of integrity to be called to do such a thing and to be given such a pulpit.

I learned about that right before I left and just didn't have time to comment on it. And then the issues concerning Bruton Parker came up just a few days ago. And so the folks in Georgia those of you who already live there know that you are in the epicenter of anti-Calvinism in the Southern Baptist Convention.

And that's why this absurdity that Peter Lumpkins and others have created in the exact format of politicians on both the right and the left individuals who have no concern for truthfulness will create issues so as to distract people from the real issues.

The issue of Calvinism-Arminianism is completely 1000 irrelevant to the Eric Cantor situation and any sane, rational and honest person knows that and there isn't a single person in this audience who could pick up that phone and dial 877 -753 -3341 and argue against me on that.

Not one of you, you know that Peter Lumpkins couldn't call in here. All the rest of Cantor's defenders could never call in here and defend the idea that this has anything to do with Calvinism at all. You know that, that's why you sit there in silence and then get behind your keyboards and say otherwise because you know you can't be cross-examined you know what the truth is.

I don't even know how you look at yourself in the mirror in the morning. I just don't know. But you're down there in the middle of that. And that's why this foolishness has had the effect that it has and you've just got a bunch of good ol' boys down there and there'd be some Muslims and some Calvinists that hate this man.

So he must be good. Wow sad situation sad situation. Phone lines are open 877 -753 -3341 and I guess we have a this guy doesn't really he doesn't count as a Georgia Baptist because he's not a Southern Baptist.

I don't think. Yeah well alright you know against my better judgment. I'll go ahead and do this. I guess ok. I am a Southern Baptist.

Our church gives to the cooperative program. Your daughter and son-in-law and granddaughter are now official members of a Southern Baptist church.

And also I thought you called yourself a Reform Baptist. Well.

We're particular Baptists in that we're Calvinists. Sure but I mean we're not part of ARBCA or anything. We are part of the SBC which I didn't know until about 2 or 3 years after I became a member. Well that must be a real big emphasis then.

Well we have actual wine with our communion so I just assumed.

Oh great that was dumb. Now you've got right now. Peter Lumpkins is firing up his blogging program right now and then again. He doesn't know who you are so you might be safe.

We're not there. I didn't even say your name. I didn't even say your name. You don't have to say your name your name's Horatio. I went ahead and said it. I am a Georgia Baptist because I've actually this August will be 20 years in Georgia and I left Northern Illinois when I was 19 so I've been in Georgia longer than I was in Illinois.

It's a patient state. Well let me just go ahead and apologize on behalf of you for all of the great and kind and doctrinally correct Georgia Baptists that you just completely railroaded with this program by lumping us all into that same.

So tell me what have all these wonderful proud Georgia Baptists done about the fact that you have a documented liar just about to speak at one of the largest Southern Baptist churches in Georgia.

Well everybody else but I know what this Georgia Baptist is going to do. I'm probably going to go there. I've already made changes to the schedule at my own fellowship so I'm probably going to go there and perhaps record the thing before it gets cannerized but I will probably be there absolutely and then beyond that.

I don't know but I'm sure that Johnny Hunt's been talked to about this and he apparently maybe he doesn't care. I don't know.

Could be worse than that. It could be worse than that. How do you mean? Well maybe there's a thought that this will help maybe there's a thought that this is more needed than repentance and public confession of public lies.

Oh well then that's just naive probably naivety right there.

I'm actually picturing something a little different. You remember the Jimmy Swaggart repentance tape. I think they're playing that over and over and over for him. This is how it's done. I don't think so.

I do not expect any tears. I mean I would love to be surprised but I would love for Eric Canner to get up there and say folks my text today is on the publican and this is why and I stand before you as a sinner who made up my whole life story and I exaggerated everything in the planet.

I have gone after people. I tried to suppress these things by frivolous lawsuits. I would love to hear all of that but I just don't get the feeling that's what's going to happen but I'll tell you what.

Horatio if that happens will you give me an immediate phone call. Maybe even if it's 4 o 'clock in the morning.

I will text you immediately regardless of the time. My problem right now is I'm trying to figure out which service he'll be speaking at because I'm sure that FBC Woodstock has more than one.

Service on Sunday morning. I just want to point out to people I never mentioned the church. I didn't bring any of those issues up but Horatio.

From Atlanta did. Well there's a Facebook page about protesting at Woodstock. I'll go ahead and send it to you when I get back to my desk. I would like to see that.

You're not the one that mentioned FBC Woodstock Johnny Hunt's church. You didn't mention that. I did not mention that. Just wanted to be clear.

Whatever man I'm nobody. Oh and by the way before I go your granddaughter is not going to have an accent because she's growing up in a house where there is not an accent.

I'm starting to hear it seep in even with the others it's so ubiquitous that.

It's going to be hard to avoid. No it may be just a tiny bit with certain words they might speak slower instead of saying football they might say football. I've been down here 20 years and I don't have at least I don't think I have that kind of an accent but it might be different growing up from a child.

I really wouldn't worry about it. It'll be alright. Oh you did see that picture. Yeah I did. I gotta get back to work. Thanks. Horatio. Probably. Thank you for my code name. Appreciate that.

Alright bye. Bye. Bye. Horatio. Oh brother. Yeah there you go. I hadn't mentioned anything about specifics but I guess somewhere I knew the church. I guess I don't know but y 'all got. I don't care what you say.

The fact of the matter is when I tried to find a church in the Georgia area to do an updated canner presentation. That ain't happening. That ain't happening. And there's the link. Actually let me see here.

Protesting arrogant canner at first baptist. Alright protesting arrogant canner at first baptist. Talk isn't a worthy cause. That's the opening. Yeah. Okay. So there you go. That's interesting. Is that all there is to it.

It's just one thing. That's great anyway. So that's what's coming up now. Everybody knows everything there is to know about that. And it does make me does make me sad.

That that is taking place. Yeah that first link was just a single post if you use the second link that's in there that's the actual Facebook page. Okay. So who led me astray the first time then. That would be SteelersFan.

Oh thanks a lot SteelersFan. Okay there it is. Alright.

Interesting. Yes I can actually put that up on the screen if you want. Well if you wish to. There's just interesting stuff here. I haven't had a chance to look at all of it but I wonder how long this is.

Does anything. Tell you how long this has been up there like when they started. You're more of a.

May 13th how do you know that. Because I know how to work the Facebook timeline. Oh they're on the right hand side.

You know recent 2014 you click that and it pops you down there you go.

That's right and look over on the left there. As to who's one of the members. Yes I saw that. Yes and I just just. So we're clear. It's. It was not you who mentioned First Baptist Church. Woodstock. Johnny Hunt's Church.

I waited until someone called in a guy named Horatio. Well anyway let's move on from there because it's depressing. It really is depressing. I mean you look at today and I was I forget even what I was looking at online and I start seeing something about a downed aircraft and I turn on the news and follow the story about the shooting down of the man.

I'm glad I don't own stock in Malaysian Air. I don't own stock in anything. But it does make it is creepy to see. I saw on Facebook that one of the passengers who died had tweeted a picture of the plane with the translation in English was in case this thing goes missing.

So it's through the picture. It's through the windows they're boarding. Here's the picture of the 777 in case this goes missing in light of what happened earlier. And I suppose if you did that with every flight you're on eventually it would have some relevance.

I certainly get on enough planes and I'm supposed to be going to Ukraine in December. It's the very first thing I thought when I heard the story. It's like oh my goodness you're really going to do this.

Well obviously the first thing I thought of was pastor of the church in St. Charles Van Donetsk is where he has been going for years establishing a reform ministry there and so this is keeping him from getting over there obviously and is greatly impacting the ministry.

And the first thing I think about I mean obviously this plane wasn't even going there. It was just passing through. It was headed to somewhere in Malaysia. Wasn't it? No I thought it was Amsterdam to Malaysia.

It was a through flight. And you know people fly over hot zones like that. I mean when I flew from Frankfurt to South Africa think of all the African nations. I overflew that night while sleeping soundly.

You know planes fly overhead all the time except on the night of 9 -11 which was really freaky if you remember that. You know how many people today don't remember that? That's scary.

There are people today they'll soon be voting. That tells you a lot. Do you remember standing out in the backyard that week and thinking how quiet the skies were.

Because I happen to live pretty much under if planes are coming in from the north or east and they're landing to the east. So if that wind pattern in Sky Harbor they fly over my neighborhood. Well that was your neighborhood then too.

Do you remember the World Series? Oh yes. And the B -1 it flew over us. That thing was like you could reach up and touch it. That was weird. I also thought it was really cool that the Diamondbacks happened to have won that World Series.

One of the best World Series ever in my opinion. But anyway especially because we beat the Yankees anyhow I don't even have the phones up here. No one loves me anymore. Probably because no one wants to talk about that subject.

They don't want to either follow up after Horatio or they're afraid that. I'm going to think they're Peter Lumpkins. And we all know that Peter Lumpkins would never face me. He wouldn't do it. 877 -753 -3341.

You can call in on other subjects than the subject of canner or shot down aircraft that's fine too. That would be great. By the way I did post a last night's bible study out of Psalm 1. Put on sermon audio from PRBC.

And I started preaching last night. If you're looking for some kind of pick me up. I was certainly encouraged by it and maybe you all will be as well. So that is available on sermon audio. I put that on.

Actually I think I managed to put that on the blog facebook, twitter and google plus. You gotta give me some credit. You gotta give me some credit. Because that's just for me. That's a big change. Anyhow.

Let's get to our phone calls here. Oh wow. Farther into the hour than I thought. And let's start.

With Miles. Hi Dr. White. It's a pleasure to talk to you. Yes sir my question is regards to King James onlyism. I've tried to digest whatever you put out on it through your book through your talks through your debates and I agree with you it's definitely a blight on the Christian church.

However the positive outcome at least for me is I've gained a greater appreciation how we got our bible and just learning how to think more critically and better.

Oh Miles trust me I'm actually thankful. I mean there's so many times I've been writing a book I've been going. Oh there's so much confusion this has caused so much damage. And then years later I look at what the potter's freedom did I look at what the King James only controversy did.

And someone who's had to struggle with that is in much better position to be able to defend the validity of the transmission of the text of scripture to a Muslim or an Atheist or whatever. Certainly better prepared to deal with a Bart Ehrman than they would have been if they hadn't gone through that.

So you know the Lord uses it all he's always in control even when we sit around and fret and everything else.

And another positive outcome was that's how I discovered your ministry and that's how I've been blessed. Just the things you've talked about. You know that I lived in Harrisburg for six years. I did. I wish I knew you around at the time.

Well I was ten so.

I probably would have been a toddler I wouldn't appreciate that too much but wow. Anyways yes sir. Yeah. So I've been carrying on a conversation on a Facebook forum about KJV-Onlyism. I know you've said that KJV-Onlyism is dying but it's dying a very slow death and there are plenty of folks on Facebook that are doing what they can.

To keep it on life support. Well realize one thing social media can give us the sense that something is much bigger than it really is and it gives voice to people who want to scream the loudest. So I've had to try to learn to try to judge size and influence in other ways than how many people attack me on Facebook or have Facebook pages or things like that because there is so much weird stuff out there and the net has no filters for theological aberration.

So you know I look at Steven Anderson's new movie and I look at the churches and they're tiny, they're tiny tiny tiny. And I know it's still people who are looking for something will find it. And KJV-Onlyism tends to find certain people who want a level not of, they want a level of certainty that is that is incommensurate with actual truth.

So they're willing to trade truth for certainty and that's what you get.

A lot of them have lashed onto that movie, posted links to it tried to show you know hey this is only you're only going to get one side of this and Anderson had a two hour conversation with you and only put 90 seconds of that conversation.

Right, it was over two hours and we have.

His producer has said what? I have an update on that. Oh good. Because I emailed Pastor Anderson about three weeks ago and never heard back and I pressed the issue again on Friday apparently I was sending to an email address that he doesn't use very much and I said this rumor is out there what's the deal?

And he came back to me and basically said yeah. I heard the same thing and I basically told the producer I'm paying for it, put it out. We're actually supposed to see something soon. I just hadn't had a chance to catch you up on that.

Oh, I hadn't even heard about it. Well that's good because we had made the offer I have the producer's email address and someone had told me that they had said well it's a money matter and to which I was going to respond.

Not for us. It's not, not in the sense that we have the money. Just provide the footage. You'll put it together and that was the last I knew of it. So Miles, according to that we've got Steven Anderson saying it's going to be made available.

Oh, believe me everything that was even slightly relevant to translation King James Only-ism everything else was not used. What was put in had nothing to do with the issue, I mean seriously something about the New World Translation and Marshmallow Juice.

Honestly I thought that was one of the funnier parts of the exchange but it certainly had nothing to do with the reality of the discussion. So it'll be out there, hopefully. I mean like I said, we have the audio recordings if we absolutely have to but it'd be much more interesting to see it.