March 11, 2024 Show with Tobias Riemenschneider on “Resisting Tyranny: A Christian Response to Government Overreach”

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And I hope to see as many of you as possible there. That's this Friday, March 15th, 7 p .m.,

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at the Coral House Catering Hall, Baldwin, Long Island. But I'm absolutely thrilled to have a first -time guest today, whom

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I was introduced to through the webcast of my very dear longtime friend,

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Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries. I'm speaking, of course, about the dividing line.

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And I saw the interview that James conducted with Tobias Rebenschneider, and I knew immediately that I wanted to have

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Tobias on the program. Tobias is pastor of the Evangelical Reform Baptist Church in Frankfurt, Germany, where he is conducting this interview live right now.

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He's also a trained lawyer, founder of Pro Reggae Ministries, and an anti -abortion activist.

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He is also the co -author of the Frankfurt Declaration of Christian and Civil Liberties.

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And today we're going to be addressing the theme of his book, Resisting Tyranny, a Christian Response to Government Overreach.

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It's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time to Iron Trip and Zion Radio, Tobias Rebenschneider.

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Thank you, brother. It's a great pleasure and honor for me to be here. Well, first of all, let our listeners know about the

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Evangelical Reform Baptist Church of Frankfurt, Germany. Yes. So, we started working on this church plant in April 2014.

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That is my now co -pastor, Peter Schilt, and myself. And the church was officially constituted in November 2016.

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And it's one of only very few Reformed, especially Reformed Baptist churches in Germany.

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And by the grace of God, we grew and still are still growing quite a lot, at least for German dimensions, not for American dimensions,

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I guess. So, currently, in our church service, we have about 150, 160, 170 people in our church services right now.

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Wow. And the number is growing. So, this makes us the biggest

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Reformed church in all of Germany. Well, you know, you're not far from being the biggest Reformed church in all of the

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United States, because Reformed Baptist churches, I should say, tend to be rather comparatively small.

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Not because of the stereotype of us not being interested in evangelism is true.

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That's false. But because the things that we teach are very often, depending upon where you live, they're very unpopular.

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Yes. Because we really militate against the modern culture and the watered -down gospel of mainstream evangelicalism.

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Yes, that's true. And so do we. I mean, just preaching

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Calvinism, that is, you know, no one in Germany really likes Calvinism.

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That makes you a really strange guy. And, of course, other things.

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But actually, that is precisely why people, especially younger people, are drawn to us.

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Because most churches in Germany are very liberal, are more about entertainment than actually about the

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Bible and the Word of God. And they are charismatic and so on and so forth. So if you're looking for something like a

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Reformed church, where there's good Bible preaching and so on, where there's solid, robust theology, then you don't have many options.

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And I guess that's why we are growing, because we are one of those few churches. And people, especially young people, are more and more yearning for this.

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Because I think they realize how empty most churches are.

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So, yeah, I think that's a good development. It's still a small development, but something is happening,

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I hope. Amen. Well, if anybody wants to find out more about this fine congregation in Frankfurt, Germany, go to erb -frankfurt .de.

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That's erb -frankfurt .de.

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And God willing, we'll be repeating that throughout the show. And also, let us know about the

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Frankfurt Declaration. Yes. So, during COVID, Germany was really hit hard.

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Not so much by the virus, but more by the state measures. And I know there were a few states in America, like California, that also had very harsh restrictions.

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But I guess Germany was probably even harsher. So, we ended up with every politician, basically, advocating for a general, mandatory vaccination for the entire populace.

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And so, by God's grace, it never came. But it was a very frightening time.

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The state really was very aggressive and overreached.

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And at first, I was a little scared. I mean, I knew right from the beginning, when they first started and said,

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OK, there will be a lockdown in three days. No one is allowed to leave the house. And also, church services are not allowed.

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Close your church. I knew right from the beginning, that's not right. I cannot do that.

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We cannot stop worshipping God. So, we still met. We couldn't meet in the church building we were using, because it's not our own.

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We rented it from another church. And they said, you can't have it. It's closed.

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So, we met in the houses of brothers and sisters. We split up into smaller groups, met in the houses.

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So, I knew right from the beginning, we cannot just do what the state is demanding. This would be wrong.

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We have to worship God. We have to have fellowship. We have to continue to care for our sick and so on.

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But I was a little afraid. This was the first time

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I really went against the state, went against law. Normally, I didn't do that.

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So, this was exciting. And I tried to basically do everything in secret.

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So, hoping and praying that no one would find out, that the police wouldn't come, that the neighbors wouldn't call the police and so on.

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But then something changed. And I can pinpoint that. It was exactly when

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I heard that Pastor James Coates in Canada was thrown into jail, because his church stayed open.

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And there I realized, okay, now they're really going aggressively against my brothers.

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I cannot remain silent. I have to join the fight. And I have to raise my voice against this injustice.

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So, together with my co -pastor, we draw a first statement.

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Statement for Germany, where we basically said, okay, this is wrong from a biblical standpoint.

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We brought biblical arguments, gave the Bible verses. Okay, this is wrong. We should not obey.

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This is tyranny. We have to resist. And then came the time when, you know,

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I was contacted by a brother from London. And he had this idea to bring together pastors from all around the world to write a joint declaration, a joint statement against those

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COVID measures. And so I joined this group online.

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But after a few weeks, I guess, it became clear that not everyone was going to the same direction.

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So a group split up, which consisted of three pastors, including myself, and then also a pastor from France, who is actually an

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American missionary to France, but has been ministering in France for 40 years, and a pastor from South Africa.

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And over the course of, I don't know, a few months, we met on a regular basis online and draw up this

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Frankfurt Declaration. And, you know, of course, we had no idea if anyone would be interested in reading our declaration.

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But I tried to pull my contacts. I tried to contact my friends.

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For example, James White, a common friend we have. Also James Coates, who became my friend during COVID.

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And everyone I contacted, almost everyone, one or two exceptions, of course, but almost everyone was really happy, was really delighted with this declaration.

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And they said, I will sign it, and I will help you to send it on to other guys who might also want to sign it.

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And so this quickly became a much bigger thing than we had ever imagined. And probably the biggest surprise probably was when

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I got an email in the middle of the night, 2 a .m. or 2 .30 a .m.,

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from the office of John MacArthur. They were telling me John MacArthur wants to sign the declaration.

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Wow. And this was really amazing, because I was told in advance, you know, it would probably not happen, because normally he wouldn't sign anything where he wasn't involved, and so on, in the drafting.

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So this was, I really got tears in my eyes. I was so amazed how God was blessing this declaration we dropped.

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So yes, this is basically the story behind this declaration. Well, praise

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God. And if anybody wants to find out more information about the Frankfurt Declaration, you could go to frankfurtdeclaration .com,

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frankfurtdeclaration .com. And before we go into the heart of our theme today, which is your book on resisting tyranny, a

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Christian response to government overreach, we have a tradition here on Iron Trip and Zion Radio, whenever we have a first -time guest, we have that guest give a summary of his or her salvation testimony, which would include any kind of religious upbringing in which that person may have been raised, also what kind of providential circumstances our sovereign

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Lord raised up in their lives that drew them to himself and saved them. And I would love to hear your story.

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Yes. Happy to give you my story. So I was born in 1983, and I was born into the

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New Apostolic Church. Not the New Apostolic Reformation, the New Apostolic Church.

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They trace their roots back to England, 1830s

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England. There was a group around Edward Irving, maybe that name rings a bell with some.

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Yeah, he's considered to be the grandfather of the charismatic movement. Exactly, exactly, yes.

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And I think John Nelson Darby also joined the meetings a few times.

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But this was this circle, and out of this circle came this, well, they first called themselves the

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Catholic Apostolic Church. So the basic idea was that there are new apostles now, 12 apostles, which would basically lead the bride, lead the church to Christ.

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So they thought that Christ was coming back during their lifetimes, of those 12 apostles, so that there were those 12 apostles who founded the church, and now there are 12 apostles who are the last in the last days when

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Christ returns, and they will present the bride to Christ. So obviously that did not happen.

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This is almost 200 years ago. Those apostles, self -proclaimed apostles, started dying, and Christ did not come back.

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And when there was only one apostle left in England, this church had already spread to Hamburg in Germany, and the

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Germans said, okay, we need new apostles. And so there was a split, and this became, a little later on, the

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New Apostolic Church. And they now have—they are a global church.

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They are especially big in Germany and Switzerland, but also in quite a few African countries.

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They are also in America, but it's a small minority. By the way, are they anti -Trinitarian?

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No, no, they are not. So, you know, they have some true teaching.

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They believe in the Trinity. They believe that Christ is the Son of God, but it's still a false church because you put your main trust not into Christ, but in those apostles.

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They are basically like the Pope or like the Catholic Church. You need them as your mediators.

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Right, like the Jehovah's Witnesses as well. They do that with the Watchtower Society. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right.

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And you would also not really hear the gospel proclaimed because, you know, sin wasn't really an issue, at least not when

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I was in that church. I mean, it became more and more liberal, and you wouldn't hear much about sin.

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And if you don't hear about sin, if you don't hear about a righteous God, but only a loving

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God who would forgive everyone freely, then you don't understand why you need

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Christ dying on a cross for your sins. So I never really heard the gospel presented in a truthful, biblical way.

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I thought I would earn my way to heaven, just be a good Neapolitan Christian, go to church, try to be not as sinful as those outsiders, and that's it.

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So I was in that church for 30 years. Wow. There was a—I don't know if it's still there, but I was saved in a

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Reformed Baptist church in Amityville, Long Island. At that time, it was called

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Calvary Baptist Church of Amityville. It later became Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Long Island in Merrick, after a merger with a

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Reformed Baptist church in Merrick. But when the church was in Amityville, it was right down the road from the

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New Apostolic Church of North America. Oh, okay. Yeah, on County Line Road in Amityville.

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And I don't know if it's affiliated with the same group, but I remember I brought flyers for a debate with James White over there once.

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And every man in the building—I was sneaking in during a worship service— every man was wearing a black suit, white shirt, and black tie, and every woman was wearing a white blouse and a black skirt.

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Yes, yes. So they did that in your group, too? Yes. So they don't do that anymore, except for really important church services.

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So when an apostle actually comes to your church, to your congregation, and preaches there, then you would still dress up.

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And also all the office bearers, they always wear black suits, black tie, white shirt.

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So they still kept some of that. Right. And then what happens is

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I turned 18 and was about to finish school, and I wanted to use the last summer vacation to go to America and be with a host family, an

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American host family. And my sister wanted to join me.

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She's two years younger, so I was 18, she was 16. And we contacted an organization that found host families for you in America, and they found a family for us in Florida.

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And everything really sounded great. They had a big house, they had a pool, and we were really looking forward to that.

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So Florida, sun and beach and everything. And then about two weeks before our departure, this organization called us and said, well, they are very sorry, but something happened.

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This family cannot take us. And they had already made some inquiries, but on such short notice, only one family was willing to take us.

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And that was a family not in Florida, but in Wisconsin. And that is quite something different, right?

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And it was a family with seven small children at that time.

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And my sister and I thought, well, that's not really what we were looking for. We wanted to have sun and beach and not seven small children during our vacation.

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But we decided, well, before we have to stay at home, let's do this. So in God's providence, we ended up with this host family and this host family, the father and the mother.

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They were the first born -again Christians we ever met. And now they had six weeks, their entire summer vacation, they had six weeks to talk to us about the gospel, about the word of God.

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And they did. And we had some discussions, and I was very proud.

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You know, when they first told me, yeah, we believe in a six -day creation because the Bible says so, I thought, oh, well, okay, they are stupid.

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They don't believe that. You know, I thought, that's a prejudice some

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Europeans have, I guess. You mean the New Apostolic Church did not believe in a literal sin?

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No, no, no, no. No, no. They believe in science, you know.

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Okay. So that's a prejudice some Europeans have, I guess, is when you meet someone in America on the countryside, they are probably not very well educated.

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And I thought, well, yeah, that's the proof. They believe in a six -day creation. Have they not heard of science?

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So I was very proud. But, you know, what they said, it just stick with me.

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And I saw their faith, and I realized this faith is better than my faith. They have actual faith.

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And there was a power to it because you could see how this really transformed their lives.

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So everything they did, they did for Christ. And I had never seen that before. You know, just being in a

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McDonald's and praying loud and giving thanks for the food, you would never do that as a

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New Apostolic. That would be embarrassing, right? So everything

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I heard and saw from them really convinced me that there was something to that, what they were telling me.

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So when I was back in Germany, I still was in the New Apostolic Church. I didn't know where else to go. I, of course, knew of the

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Lutheran Church and the Catholic Church and the Mormons and the

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Witnesses. But I knew, okay, those are not the churches I want to go to. I want to find a church like I experienced in America.

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But I didn't know where to turn to. So I stayed in the New Apostolic Church. And then, I don't think

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I was saved by that time. But God had begun a work in me. And then, you know,

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I wanted to have this, to see this faith again that I experienced in America. So I started watching sermons by American preachers.

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I thought, well, maybe this kind of faith is an American thing. Maybe it's an American faith, yeah? I've never seen it here in Germany.

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So let's try to listen to American preachers. I think YouTube was just started.

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It was very new. And I went online and found the shocking news message by Paul Washer.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah, and that got me. I understood that he was talking about me, that I was pretending to be a

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Christian but was actually on my way to hell. Isn't that the message where Paul said to the audience something like,

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I don't know why you're smiling, I'm talking about you? Yeah, I don't know why you're clapping, I'm talking about you.

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Yeah, there you go. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, and I understood he was talking about me.

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I wasn't transformed. My heart wasn't changed. I was just like the world.

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I was just pretending outwardly to be something else. But I understood. For the first time, I really understood that God is an angry

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God and a just God and that he will judge me at the end of time. And I will not make it to heaven because I'm just a hypocrite.

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And something changed there. So this was my looking back at least.

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I had no concept of what the new birth really is, what conversation really is.

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But looking back, that's where I was saved. And because things started to change,

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I began to read the Bible and actually believe it, including the sixth day creation and everything else.

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Yes. And the more I read the Bible and believed the Bible, the more

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I realized that what I heard from the pulpit in the Neapolitan church didn't align to what

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I read in the Bible. It wasn't the Bible they were preaching. It wasn't the gospel they were preaching. So I got more and more upset with the

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Neapolitan church. And, of course, I tried to convince people of what

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I have newly found out, but they were not really interested in having my thoughts. So there came the time when

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I just said to my wife, I was married by then, and I said to my wife, you know, I have no idea where to go now.

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I don't know what the alternative is, but I will not go to the

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Neapolitan church again. I'm finished. I will not go there again. I don't know what to do.

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Let's just pray and wait what God will show us. And two weeks later,

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I heard that Peter Schilt, my now co -pastor, was coming to Frankfurt and was starting a church plant.

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So I went there and after about two minutes, I knew that's what

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I was looking for. That's the faith I had seen in America. It's just faith in the

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Bible and the word of God. And I knew I had found my new home. So God was very gracious.

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It took only two weeks until I had had a new church. And maybe to add this, my wife was also saved.

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My sister was also saved. And even my parents were saved. Wow. They had been in the

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Neapolitan church for 61 or 63 years. Wow. I think 63 years. And, you know, my mother wanted to.

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When I told my mother, I'm not going back to the Neapolitan church. I'm leaving that church. She cried through the entire night because she thought

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I was lost. The Neapolitan church, you think, well, that is the only way. You need those apostles because only they can proclaim the forgiveness of sin.

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And only they can give you the Holy Spirit by laying on of hands and so on.

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So we thought salvation is only with those apostles in the Neapolitan church. So my mother cried for the entire night.

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And then she got really upset and said, I want to go where you go. I want to see what's going on there. And she came with an attitude.

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But she was convinced that this was actually the word of God that was spoken there. And she stayed. But my father didn't want to come.

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I think it took another half a year or so or even longer. And my mother was always, you know, telling me, you have to come, you have to come.

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And in the end he said, okay, so just so that you would stop asking me and pressuring me,

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I will come. And he came once and stayed. And he told me later, you know, he was a very successful businessman.

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And he told me later that the thought, the sheer thought that he could have been wrong his entire life on something as important as the faith was just unbearable for him.

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Because he always was right. He always had success. And he couldn't really bear even the thought that he might have been wrong in his entire life.

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But by the grace of God, he humbled himself and he came and he was also saved. So the entire family was baptized in January 2015.

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And, yeah, they are all part of the church now. And my father is now 73 and he's a deacon in our church.

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And I'm so grateful to God that my father can use his last years to really work for God and work in his kingdom.

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So, yeah, that's my story. I love the story. And was that congregation even back then when you visited the

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Evangelical Reformed Baptist Church? Yes. So it was the church plant.

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It was the beginning of the church plant, which then two years later, two and a half years later, resulted in the constitution of Evangelical Reformed Baptist Church.

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Oh, praise God. Well, we're going to go to our first commercial break. If you have a question for Tobias Riemenschneider, either on his testimony or on the

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Frankfurt Declaration or on the congregation where he serves or on his book on tyranny.

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We're now back with Tobias Riemenschneider, and he is pastor of the

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Tobias, a part of the testimony you have not revealed yet is when you realized the

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Lord had placed a call upon your life to enter into pastoral ministry. How did that come about?

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Yeah, so I was part of this church plant from 2014 on.

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And so I first had to learn a lot, but only by the grace of God, I really made fast progress.

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And to the point where where people starting to come to me with their questions and I was somehow able to answer them and answer them biblically and correctly.

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Yeah. So and this development continued to the point where people said, well, he should be our pastor together with Peter.

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So and so I slowly grow into that role.

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I've never really. Now, I want I wanted to have some. I wanted to have some.

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Yes, some some some role in that new church that was going to be planted. I knew

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I wanted to come to contribute, but I really didn't think of becoming a becoming a pastor.

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But it just so happened that more and more people actually told me, well, we think you should be our pastor.

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And and this was very important for me. I mean, I think you should also have some sort of of inner calling.

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What is more important for me is the calling by the church, because I can deceive myself.

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I know many young men who believe they are called by God to do great things. And I'm not sure if others agree.

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So for me, it's important that others see this as well, that the church agrees and says, we think you should you should you should be a pastor, because we see how

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God is working in you and through you and we see the progress you're making. And we think you meet the biblical qualifications.

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So I was still a little afraid because I knew what a what a great sinner

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I was and still am. So I didn't feel fit for that ministry. But I think Paul says no one is fit.

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So it was it was basically how this came came about. Then also in my heart, the desire grow to be a shepherd for these people.

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I you know, it changed how I viewed those those people. I began to view them as sheep and then feel it became a shepherd became a shepherd.

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God got a shepherd's heart for them. And so I slowly just grew into this.

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And then when the church was was constituted in 2016, Peter and I were both ordained as pastors.

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I was only you know, so I still worked full time as a lawyer.

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So Peter was full time pastoring the church. I was just trying to do my best, but was still fully employed as a lawyer.

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And and just I don't know exactly, maybe three years ago or so.

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I was able to also become a full time pastor, which also this desire just grew and grew stronger and stronger while the years passed.

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So, yeah, this is just how it happened. God just slowly put me into that position.

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And I'm grateful for that. I have no regrets whatsoever that I that I left my job as a lawyer.

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I earned much more as a lawyer than I do now as a pastor. But I'm very grateful that I could actually make this transition and now work full time as a pastor.

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Amen. Now we enter into focusing on your book,

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Resisting Tyranny, a Christian response to government overreach. Did this book start in your writing process before the

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Frankfurt Declaration or during it or after it? Yeah, so this book is a compilation of statements, including the

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Frankfurt Declaration, but also sermons and talks at conferences and so on that I that I gave during the

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Covid years. And they all have something to do with Covid. There's, for example, a long sermon.

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It was a 90 minute sermon. I think even 91 minutes about Romans 13 and and many other things.

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So this is a compilation of what I did during Covid. And this wasn't even my idea. I never have ideas for books.

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It's always other people. Some publishers have come and say, well, I listened to your sermon.

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Can we print that? So and the same happened with this book. A publisher, a Christian publisher came and said, you know,

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I would like to make a book with everything you did on Covid.

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Almost everything. I said, well, that's a great idea. And I did that. I compiled everything.

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And and then it was first published in German in Germany. And and somehow

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I don't even remember how exactly. But somehow Joe Boot got his hands on it and said he wanted to publish it in English with Ezra Press.

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And so I translated everything into English. And then it was published with the title

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Resisting Tyranny in English. And so I think it is a it is for once a good reminder of what happened during these years.

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And I think you can often hear how emotional it was.

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This really happened to us. We really were afraid. We thought we have to flee our country when when general general vaccine mandate comes and so on.

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So you can hear how. Yeah. How emotional this was.

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You can, I think, little relive that if someone wants to do that. I don't know. But I think it's a good witness, a good testimony for what happened during the time.

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And then also because I tried to to do everything, everything I said and wrote to to really be very

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Bible based, Bible saturated. And to not just give my give my thoughts on the current situation, but to to try to to produce something that really is it's of some value, not just for for the next two years, but hopefully for years to come.

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Maybe when something like it returns or so, I don't know. But that was the idea to to work really on the basis of the

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Bible, to be very, very precise, very to produce something that would be of value for for maybe even generations to come.

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I don't know if that book is that good that generations to come want to read it. But that was the idea to produce something really solid.

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And so that's why I believe it's it's interesting to read, interesting to read as a reminder to what happened, but also to to give you a real good foundation to how to think about state church relationship or even state citizen relationship.

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What what can the church what can the state actually do and where are the limits of God given limits of its authority and so on and so forth?

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So I believe this will be a valuable book, not just for Covid, but also beyond.

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Well, praise God. And I am glad that that book is in print and available for the benefit of the body of Christ and also the praise, honor and glory of our

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Lord, God, Savior and King. And we do have some lists or questions that have come in.

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We have Gretchen in Mystic, Connecticut.

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And Gretchen asks, you mentioned that there are hardly any reformed

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Baptist churches in Germany and that reformed theology in general is greatly despised by the majority of Germans.

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But is there a reasonably large percentage of conservative evangelicalism at all in Germany?

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Yeah, yeah, that's a good question. So for the first time,

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I think a year or two ago, for the first time, the majority of Germans said they are not

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Christian at all. So we are now, if you want to go with majorities, we are now officially an atheist country or maybe turning into a

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Muslim country. I don't know. But more than 50 percent of the population now says we are we are not

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Christians. Those who still say they are

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Christians almost it's almost split equally between the

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Lutheran state church, which is called in Germany is called the Evangelical Church. Yeah, but it's the church basically that Luther founded and the

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Roman Catholic Church. And then you have some others. Yeah, you, of course, have the New Apostolic Church, which has officially,

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I think, still 350 ,000 members in Germany and you have all the other cults and so on.

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But those who would actually count as evangelicals are just two percent of the population.

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And to be honest, many of them are probably also not really born again

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Christians. There are also many nominal Christians among those evangelical churches. So, yeah,

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Germany is a spiritually a very dark place. The Lutheran Church is completely you know, they lost it completely.

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They are woke. They have not just female preachers, but homosexual female preachers.

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And they are as woke as you can get. Wow. Now, is that all Lutherans? There are no

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German Lutheran denominations that have any kind of an affiliation with, for instance, in America.

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You have the very conservative Missouri Synod Lutheran churches and the Wisconsin Synod and some others that are conservative.

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There's no churches like that in Germany left? Well, so if you look at the evangelical church, the big

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Lutheran church, the Lutheran state church, let's call them that. This is not completely homogenous.

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You have some groups that are still more Bible -believing, that are more conservative.

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You know, there's one pastor from the city of Bremen, which is in the north of Germany, at the

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North Sea almost. And he got famous because he was accused.

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And actually, his court case is still going. So he was accused of incitement of the people because he said some clear but biblical words about homosexuality and transgenderism.

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And so he is one of the few pastors within this Lutheran state church that is still a real believer.

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And he himself says that he believes that 96, I think he said, 96 percent of the pastors in the

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Lutheran state church are not born -again Christians. They would mock the virgin birth and so on and so forth.

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So they are just atheists. There are also a few other small denominations.

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There's, for example, an independent Lutheran church. I think they are still more conservative.

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But if I remember correctly, they only have 30 ,000 members in all of Germany. So they are really small.

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So if you're looking for really born -again Bible -believing Christians, you'll probably have to go to these 2 percent of evangelical free churches.

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We call them free churches because they're not state churches. And even then, you have some denominations there which

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I would probably not call very Bible -believing. But that's the situation.

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I was just asked by a sister who was newly saved, got saved, and he lives in Leipzig.

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Leipzig is one of the biggest German cities. More than 500 ,000 people live there. He asked me, do you know any good church in that region?

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I said, no, I don't. Actually, we have 2 brothers who moved from Leipzig to Frankfurt to join our church because they were not able to find a church in Leipzig.

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And that's not so uncommon. People move to our church from almost everywhere. From Munich and from Hamburg.

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So it's really difficult to find a good church, let alone a reformed church.

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That's really difficult in Germany. Okay. By the way, Gretchen, you have won a free copy of the book we are addressing,

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01:12:40

Tobias, how close is Munich to Frankfurt? That's about a three and a half to four hours drive on the autobahn.

01:12:51

Not going too slow. Well, I don't know if a listener who contacted me about two years ago,

01:13:02

Indira, originally from India, I don't know if she is listening today.

01:13:08

Perhaps providentially if she's not listening live, she'll eventually listen on the podcast.

01:13:14

But she had contacted me saying that she was moving from India to Munich, and I did give her a couple of recommendations that were recommended to me.

01:13:27

And one of them is Soli Deo Gloria Church in the

01:13:34

Munich area. Yeah, I know that. And another one is, and I don't think

01:13:41

I'll be pronouncing this correctly, but it looks like in English it would say the

01:13:47

Free Evangelical Church, the Freie Evangelische Gemeinde.

01:13:55

I don't know how to pronounce it. That was good. The last one was good. The last one is good? Yeah, yeah.

01:14:01

Okay. Do you know of any other churches in Munich that you recommend, I mean?

01:14:07

Yeah, I mean, there are at least two more churches. And I guess probably the

01:14:14

Free Evangelical Church is probably the one I was thinking of. They are—well, they are not really

01:14:20

Reformed, but at least they have a Calvinistic soteriology. They are a little more aligned to Tim Keller and Russell Moore and so on.

01:14:32

So, yeah, if you are in Munich and have to stay there, then go to that church. Okay.

01:14:38

All right. But the Soli Deo Gloria Church, we know them. We helped them actually really reform their church.

01:14:47

Oh, wow. So, yeah, that is a good idea to go there. Well, you know,

01:14:54

I was just going to say after the show I could forward you Indira's original email to me and maybe you would want to reach out to her.

01:15:02

And who knows, she might even want to just visit because, you know, she is living in Germany.

01:15:07

People often travel. Yeah, you know, just a few months ago, a brother from India who had moved to Munich moved to us, to Frankfurt, to join our church.

01:15:19

Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah, I would be happy to be in touch with her. Great. Let's see here.

01:15:26

We have an interesting question from Rockford in Bating Hollow, Long Island, New York.

01:15:35

And Rockford says, it seems to me from what I have heard that the government in Germany is very embarrassed about their history involving the

01:15:49

Third Reich and Adolf Hitler, and they seek to overcome those horrific sins of the past in that nation.

01:15:58

But it also seems that they are oblivious to the authoritarian steps they are taking in a left -leaning direction.

01:16:08

Yes. Are they not aware that they could be one day just returning to the crimes and horrors of their past by going in this direction?

01:16:21

What a great question. Yes. So, yeah, first of all,

01:16:27

Jan, we are very aware of what happened in the Third Reich, what the

01:16:34

Nazis did. I mean, I'm still the generation where it was my grandparents who participated in this, right?

01:16:41

So younger people don't have this direct connection anymore, but I still have this direct connection via my grandparents.

01:16:48

Are they still alive? Your grandparents? No, not anymore. Okay. But, you know,

01:16:55

I was born in 83, so that was not too far away from the end of World War II. Three years after I graduated from high school.

01:17:03

Now I feel young again. Thank you. So, yeah.

01:17:10

So there is this, some even call it a cult, where we are really into our sins.

01:17:18

And so we are really talking a lot about our guilt. We actually, you know, right in the city, in the middle of our capital city of Berlin, we built a huge, well, we don't, yeah, it's a huge monument.

01:17:35

But it's just meant to remind us of the evils the

01:17:41

Germans committed during the Third Reich. Someone once said,

01:17:46

I'm not sure if that's true, but someone once said the Germans, they are the only people who actually built monuments to remind them of their own guilt.

01:17:56

As I said, I'm not sure if that's true. But that is certainly something we are very aware of.

01:18:03

And now comes this twist. Yeah, that's why I love this question. We have not, what we don't understand is that this can also come from the left.

01:18:15

You know, right now there is a rather new party in Germany, political party, that is just conservative.

01:18:25

It's probably not even as conservative as the American Republicans, but probably in that direction.

01:18:33

And everyone is afraid of them, that they will bring about another Third Reich, that they will become those

01:18:39

Nazis. Just like they're claiming about conservative Christians in the United States.

01:18:45

Yeah, yeah, they are all Nazis, right? Exactly. They are all extremists and so on. That's what they think.

01:18:52

What they don't see is that, you know, the Nazis, Nazi is short, is an abbreviation for National Socialists.

01:19:01

Right. So those guys were socialists. Yes. And what they don't, yeah, they don't understand that.

01:19:06

They were left -wing, they weren't right -wing. Yeah, yes, yes. So they had this national thing going on, yeah.

01:19:14

But they were socialists. So they believed in a strong state. Yes. And in a state doctrine, a state ideology.

01:19:21

And in the oppression of all other religions and ideologies. And that's actually not what just right -wing people do, who are actually freedom -loving.

01:19:33

You know, most right -wing guys, at least in Germany today, they are just freedom -loving.

01:19:39

And they are just, you know, they are just sensible. They are not out of their mind. They are not crazy as many others are, yeah.

01:19:47

But the left would frame them, even the German government. They are very much, you know, the

01:19:53

German government organized protests against this conservative party.

01:20:01

So a country where the government organizes protests, that's normally not in a democratic country, right?

01:20:09

That's strange. So that's where we are already. That the government is organizing protests against this conservative party.

01:20:17

And what they don't see is exactly that they are the ones who are right now using the state power to impose their ideology on others.

01:20:27

And they did that, of course, especially during COVID. So they are actually the socialists, the leftists, yeah, they are the socialists who are willing to trample on the freedoms of people.

01:20:38

And make the state strong. And have a state ideology, which is always an anti -Christian ideology.

01:20:45

And that is exactly what I think where the problem lies. We are very much afraid of racism.

01:20:53

Of anyone saying anything against some foreigners. Which is good.

01:20:59

Yeah, racism is a great evil. But what we don't see is that socialism is actually what makes racism so dangerous.

01:21:08

Socialism is what, yeah, what uses the state power to do injustice.

01:21:15

Well, thank you so much, Rockford, in Bading Hollow, Long Island.

01:21:22

And you have also won a free copy of the book that we are addressing resisting tyranny by my guest, my dear brother,

01:21:33

Tobias Riemenschneider. And so make sure that we get your full mailing address in Bading Hollow, New York.

01:21:40

So that Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service, CVVBS .com, can ship that book out to you.

01:21:47

I am very glad that you are fully aware, Tobias, about the left -leaning history of the

01:21:58

Nazis. Because it is most frequently portrayed in the opposite direction in order to tie in conservatives like evangelical

01:22:08

Christians into their slander. And no one will tell you about this at school.

01:22:14

You have to find out yourself. Not even here, not even in the United States, they won't tell you.

01:22:21

And most Christians are ignorant of this as well. Even though it's common knowledge that they were called the

01:22:28

National Socialists. Let's see. We have

01:22:34

Boyd in Apache Junction, Arizona. And Boyd asks,

01:22:42

I was wondering if your guest today, Tobias, is aware of the book by Scott Lively, The Pink Swastika, Homosexuality in the

01:22:51

Nazi Party, which you have conducted an interview on in the past.

01:22:57

Yes, I've had Scott Lively on the program and we addressed his book. Are you familiar with that book that reveals, and it's a fascinating book because it's heavily footnoted, and much of the information proving that the early

01:23:13

Nazis were flooded with homosexuals, that the historic resources that Scott Lively and his

01:23:28

Orthodox Jewish co -author used were not only Jewish contemporaries of the

01:23:36

Nazis, but homosexual contemporaries of the Nazis. So I don't know if you've read the book.

01:23:41

I found it fascinating. I've heard of that book, but I haven't read it. But it doesn't really amaze me too much because if you have a biblical worldview and you just read

01:23:56

Romans 1, then you know that if someone is so evil, it's because they are denying

01:24:04

God and God gives them over, and part of that giving over is also being given over to homosexuality.

01:24:13

So I wouldn't be too surprised, but I haven't read the book. I think you can read the entire book online for free, so I will try to get you that information.

01:24:25

Yes, thanks. Thanks, Boyd, and make sure we get your full mailing address in Apache Junction, Arizona, because you have also won a free copy of the book by Tobias Riemenschneider on resisting tyranny.

01:24:39

And by the way, that reminds me of something before I forget. I don't know how close

01:24:44

Apache Junction is to Mesa, Arizona, but you are going to be in Mesa, Arizona at Apologia Church next week, aren't you?

01:24:56

Yes. Yeah, Boyd, I will be close to you, whatever that means in America. I mean, of course, you have much bigger distances than we have in Germany.

01:25:06

But yeah, I will be flying to Arizona on Tuesday next week.

01:25:11

So in about a week from now, I will be in Phoenix. I will be visiting

01:25:17

James White and Jeff Durbin. We are planning to record a few podcasts there.

01:25:25

Hopefully also the Dividing Line and then the Apologia podcast. They even say they will let me preach at Apologia Church.

01:25:33

I don't know why. So I will be, God willing,

01:25:38

I will be able to preach there, which is a little exciting. You know, it will be the second time for me preaching in English.

01:25:46

I've done so once about a year ago at a conference in Scotland with Conrad and Baver and Tim Conway and some others.

01:25:55

But this is I mean, this is much bigger, of course. Apologia is well known. So I'm a little excited.

01:26:02

This will be the first time where we'll be probably able to speak to a bigger audience and have to preach in English, which is a little scary.

01:26:12

But I'm looking forward to it. And if anybody wants more information about that, go to ApologiaChurch .com,

01:26:20

ApologiaChurch .com. And is that the only place where you'll be speaking in the

01:26:29

States? No. So I will

01:26:35

I will stay in Arizona, in Phoenix for five or six days, and then

01:26:40

I fly to Washington, but only to to be picked up and taken to Roanoke.

01:26:49

I think that's how it's pronounced. It's probably wrong. But that's a city in Virginia.

01:26:54

Yes. And that's where Hard Cry Missionary Society is located. Paul Washer's Missionary Society.

01:27:02

Hard Cry has been supporting us financially for over a decade now. And this is the first time

01:27:08

Peter and I will accompany. Peter and I will be there and see the office and talk to Paul and the other brothers there.

01:27:16

And we will also, on Wednesday, on Wednesday the 28th,

01:27:25

I think, or 27th, we will also be speaking there in the church. I couldn't give you the name right now, but it's the church where most of the

01:27:34

Hard Cry staff also is. So we will give an update on the work in Germany.

01:27:40

Would that be Christ Church, where Anthony Matheny is the pastor? No, not anymore.

01:27:46

It's now a new church. Oh, OK. Yeah, but I forgot the name now.

01:27:52

But it's near Roanoke. OK, yes, I have been to Roanoke many years ago.

01:28:00

Trinity Reformed Baptist Church, which I know is still there because my pastor recently prayed for that church from the pulpit.

01:28:11

So, oh, I want you to I want you to remind Paul Washer, who

01:28:17

I interviewed once, and he wrote a very wonderful commendation for my show. I want you to remind

01:28:23

Paul Washer that he promised me another interview because he said he loved the first one so much.

01:28:32

And so far I have been unsuccessful in getting him back on the show. So I want you to shame him and embarrass and embarrass him into agreeing.

01:28:42

Yeah, I will do so. I call into question his entire character over this. The last time.

01:28:51

Go ahead. I'm sorry. Yeah, actually, I'm not sure if you're aware of this. His health isn't isn't too good.

01:28:58

So he had he had a surgery done and so on. So maybe that's that's part of the problem.

01:29:03

Yes, I know. I do know. I do know that he's been battling health problems for many years. Yes. Well, let's see.

01:29:12

We have another listener. This is a another listener in Arizona, Quentin in Paradise Valley, Arizona.

01:29:25

And Quentin says, do you share the post -millennial and theonomic eschatology of our brothers

01:29:33

Jeff Durbin and James White? Is there another eschatology?

01:29:40

No, I do share that. No, I share.

01:29:46

I am a theonomist and a post -millennialist. Yes. And when I when I was a new

01:29:52

Christian in the 1980s, you had to search far and wide to find a reformed

01:29:59

Baptist church that was theonomic. In fact, I only knew of one of them, which is here in Pennsylvania, pastored by Bill Einwechter.

01:30:11

But now they seem to be fairly reasonably common, at least in reformed

01:30:18

Baptist circles. Yeah, I think that it's a I think it's also at least partly due to the situation we found ourselves in.

01:30:29

I mean, I became a post -millennialist during Covid. Not because of Covid, not because I said, well,

01:30:36

I need some hope. So let's let's become a post -millennialist. I mean, hope has to be founded in the

01:30:42

Bible to be true. Otherwise. So I was convinced by the

01:30:47

Bible, by especially by First Corinthians 15. But it had something to do with.

01:30:57

With Covid and also with it, with the entire transgenderism stuff and so on. That also happened basically at the same time.

01:31:04

And it is still happening, of course. I had to think about these things.

01:31:09

So what do I actually believe will happen? Will will our country, will the entire world just go to hell in the handbasket?

01:31:17

There's nothing we can do. Will we just lose? Or is there actually is there actually does it actually make sense to fight these things, to be brave, to stand up and to fight?

01:31:28

And I came to the conclusion that it makes sense to fight because we will probably not lose here, but win here.

01:31:35

So this gave me strength and made me courageous. And I think that's what many, especially young Christians, young pastors feel that they.

01:31:46

They have to have to battle eschatology because of the times we are in.

01:31:52

We have to we have to to think about these things. And I think it's good if you come to a post -millennial understanding.

01:31:59

This is certainly something which can give you hope and can make you courageous. If you believe that Christ is actually reigning now and that he that he might might win, that that makes you strong.

01:32:10

Yeah, I'm not saying that others are not strong. I mean, I guess John MacArthur is a very good example that you can be strong, even though you're not a post -millennialist, even though you're opposed to post -millennialism.

01:32:19

But it is certainly helpful. Great. And we have

01:32:25

Tina Marie in Cottonwood Heights, Utah, who says,

01:32:31

Are you aware of any kind of focus that your government may have on your church and its activities?

01:32:39

Just as it seems is occurring here in the United States, where our government seems to be in some way, even in a stealth or secretive fashion, focusing upon and tracking the activities of conservatives.

01:32:56

Yes. So the only thing which I I know for sure is that it was during during Covid, the the state of Baden -Württemberg.

01:33:08

You know, Germany, similar to the US, we consist of 16 states and one of the biggest ones is

01:33:14

Baden -Württemberg. And they issued a brochure where they warned against conspiracy theorists or however they called it.

01:33:24

So people who opposed the state's measures during Covid. And they mentioned me specifically.

01:33:31

They mentioned me by name and warned against me. And so this happens.

01:33:37

I know that this is true. I'm not, you know, to be honest, we are probably so we are probably one of the few churches that really addresses all the critical issues.

01:33:54

You know, within the last year, I preached on homosexuality. I preached on transgenderism.

01:34:01

I preached on politics and didn't say what the government likes, I guess. So and many, many other things.

01:34:08

So right yesterday, I preached on the manliness of Christ and also said a few things that probably render me dangerous in the eyes of some.

01:34:17

So I wouldn't be too surprised to learn that that actually there's some focus on our church.

01:34:24

But as I said, the only thing I know for sure is this brochure by by one state. Great. Well, we are going to our final commercial break.

01:34:35

And if anybody wants to submit a question and you want to get in line, there are a couple of people already waiting to have their questions asked and answered.

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And that just reminded me, I've got to see if my friend and sponsor, Pastor David Reese of Puritan Reformed Church in Phoenix, can make sure he schedules an appointment to meet you,

01:47:45

Tobias. I think he shares a lot in common with your theology and worldview.

01:47:52

I absolutely loved his ad. He seems to be a great guy with a great church.

01:47:58

Yes. We have Boris in Orchard Homes, Montana.

01:48:05

And Boris asks, you mentioned in the early part of the program that Germans typically have a great disdain for Calvinism.

01:48:15

Would that include even conservative Christians there? There are many here in the

01:48:21

United States that treat Calvinism as if it is the doctrine of demons.

01:48:27

Yeah. The same in Germany. Maybe with the exception that we have even less

01:48:33

Reformed churches than you do. So, yeah, that is very common. It seems like if you want to be a good pastor, you have to say something against Calvinism at least once, maybe more often.

01:48:50

But this is very common. Yeah. You would always warn against Calvinism. Yeah. A doctrine of demons, certainly a false doctrine.

01:49:00

You know, I can give you just one example, which I find hilarious. You know, we have many

01:49:06

German -Russian churches in Germany, and they are conservative.

01:49:12

But normally, not everyone, every church is the same, but normally they will really despise

01:49:18

Calvinism. But they love Spurgeon. So there was an instance where a brother from one of those churches became a

01:49:30

Calvinist. And they had a church meeting to expel him from the church, to excommunicate him because of Calvinism.

01:49:36

And he said, yeah, but don't you think Spurgeon was a great guy? Yeah, Spurgeon was great. Yeah, but he was a Calvinist. No, that can't be true.

01:49:45

Well, then he's also a false teacher. Okay. So it's, that's really, yeah.

01:49:53

Most people will think that Calvinism, as the brother said, is a doctrine of demons. Yes, I have experienced exactly that.

01:50:00

In fact, I worked for a radio station, and a friend of mine, who is an independent fundamentalist

01:50:08

Baptist, went on the air on his show and was slandering my church, even though we were friends.

01:50:18

And he said that that church is deceiving people into believing that Charles Spurgeon agreed with them on theology.

01:50:26

So I wrote him a 13 -page letter, which include many quotes by Spurgeon.

01:50:35

And he had the audacity to respond to my letter with one sentence. Your letter contains little scripture and much thus saith

01:50:43

Spurgeon. So I said, how do you prove what Spurgeon believed by quoting the scripture?

01:50:51

Yeah, you're right. I said to him, if somebody said to me that you believe in speaking in tongues, how would

01:50:58

I refute that, by quoting the Bible or by quoting you? Of course, of course. He didn't answer.

01:51:04

Yeah. And I mean, Spurgeon, when he wrote his autobiography, he included a chapter, which normally doesn't really fit into a biography, but he included a chapter entitled

01:51:14

A Defense of Calvinism. Yes. So he was serious on this. The Chappell Library printed that into a booklet.

01:51:23

Yeah. You know, he even said Calvinism is the gospel. Yes. And I would agree.

01:51:29

Of course, he did not mean that anyone who doesn't believe Calvinism can't be saved because they don't have the gospel. But Calvinism is essentially the gospel.

01:51:36

That's what it's all about. In saving people, in soteriology, everything is about the grace of God.

01:51:44

So it is a very important doctrine. So this is one goal I have.

01:51:49

You know, when I close my eyes here and be with the Lord, I would like to have made a difference in Germany.

01:51:58

And one thing I really want to do is to advance Reformed theology, to teach

01:52:04

Calvinism, make people understand it, see that it is actually biblical, and not a doctrine of demons, but a doctrine of Christ.

01:52:11

Amen. Let's see here. We have either Clevin or Cleavon in Winooski, Vermont.

01:52:22

And Clevin or Cleavon asks, Are there great heroes of German church history other than Martin Luther, whose writings you use to evangelize those in your area?

01:52:36

Yes, there are. Of course, many of them haven't gained international fame.

01:52:45

Because, of course, they wrote and spoke in German. But there are.

01:52:52

Luther, for sure, is the most important one. But there have been others.

01:52:58

I mean, I could give you a few names. I'm not sure if that would be helpful. But there's Hofacker or Krummacher.

01:53:06

One who you surely know is Bonhoeffer. I mean,

01:53:14

Bonhoeffer, you know, he was killed in a concentration camp because he resisted the

01:53:19

Nazi regime. He probably was part of the men who wanted to kill

01:53:27

Hitler. The problem with Bonhoeffer, though, is that even though I admire him for what he did.

01:53:33

Neo -Orthodox, right? Yeah, yeah. He was a liberal, you know. But there are other men.

01:53:40

For example, Paul Schneider. He's not very well known, but he was a really solid Christian. And he also died in a concentration camp because he also would resist the tyranny of the

01:53:50

Nazis. So there are a few. The only problem is that there are very few reformed ones.

01:53:59

Because, as I said, Germany never was really reformed. It was very much influenced by the two big state churches, the

01:54:07

Roman Catholic Church and the Lutheran state church. And just to throw this out there, from what

01:54:14

I understand is that Bonhoeffer, even though he may have drawn erroneous conclusions theologically, was he not responding to and militating against the dead liberalism of Germany?

01:54:34

Isn't that why they would consider themselves confessing Christians? Because they were actually putting their beliefs into action.

01:54:43

Yes, that is true. And that is what I appreciate. That he did not have a death faith, but a faith that actually encouraged him to act accordingly.

01:54:55

And he would never be embracing the liberal lunacy of today.

01:55:02

I don't hope so, yeah. Right. By the way,

01:55:08

Clevon or Clevin, give me your full mailing address in Winooski, Vermont, because you've also won a free copy of Resisting Tyranny by my guest,

01:55:16

Tobias Riemenschneider. Well, I want to make sure that you have several minutes to summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today before we run out of time.

01:55:28

Yes, so a few things. First of all, I know most of your listeners probably are from America.

01:55:37

And I want to say that I'm very grateful to the Americans and to the

01:55:42

American church and the American pastors. I know you also have issues in the church, right?

01:55:49

But most of what I know, what I've learned, I learned from good men from America, especially

01:55:57

James White and a few others. There is no real solid theology in Germany.

01:56:03

There is no theological debate and so on and so forth. So almost everything I learned, I learned from American pastors,

01:56:09

American teachers. I was first brought into contact with Christianity in America.

01:56:15

So I am grateful to the Americans, at least to the American Christians, and how

01:56:22

God is using them, even to save me and to build me up as a pastor. And then

01:56:28

I would ask you to pray for us because we are in a very difficult situation.

01:56:34

I think I mentioned that a few times. There are only very few really good churches, churches that would be willing to fight.

01:56:41

And and we have so much we need to do, especially maybe I can mention that, you know, in Germany, homeschooling is outlawed.

01:56:49

So you have to send your kids to school. And the schools haven't gotten any better in the last years.

01:56:56

They just it's just awful. It's probably the same as it is in America, pretty much the same with homosexuality and transgenderism and everything.

01:57:05

So what we want to do is to to build a private Christian school. That is possible in Germany.

01:57:12

It's not easy to do that, but it is possible. We have a constitutional right to to build private schools.

01:57:19

And this is something I would appreciate prayers for. And maybe if I if I may dare to say so, maybe in a half a year or a year's time when we are really at the point where we can start building this school, we will probably also need funds.

01:57:34

And I don't know where these can come from, except from America. So I hope

01:57:40

I hope you don't get me wrong, but I I want to get that out there. Well, give the all of the details for our listeners who may want to financially support what you're doing.

01:57:52

If you want to do that, you can go to our Web site, ERB minus Frankfurt. It is in English.

01:57:58

It is in German, but I guess you can probably switch to English somehow. And there is a donation page.

01:58:04

If you want to donate something, you can do that. I think it's PayPal and some credit cards. So it will probably work for you.

01:58:10

You can go to that donation site and and send us something. Maybe let me know it's for the school.

01:58:16

That would be very helpful. And then the last thing probably I would like to say is, you know, we've been talking about about Covid, about state overreach and so on.

01:58:27

I would want to encourage everyone to stay strong in in the faith that will have been delivered to us and not be afraid of men who can only kill the body.

01:58:38

Don't be afraid of the state. Whatever will come in the future and maybe a few bad things will happen.

01:58:44

But then don't lose focus on Christ. Don't be discouraged.

01:58:50

But be willing to fight to to further his kingdom. Amen. I want to repeat your websites for our listeners.

01:58:57

E .R .B. dash Frankfurt dot D .E. That's E .R

01:59:03

.B. for Evangelical Reformed Baptist dash Frankfurt dot

01:59:08

D .E. And also Frankfurt Declaration dot com. Frankfurt Declaration dot com.

01:59:15

You even exceeded my already high expectations for being such a superb guest today.

01:59:21

Tobias, I hope I hope that you enjoyed yourself as much as I did and want to return to my show frequently.

01:59:27

I would love to interview as often as I can. I want to thank everybody who listened. And I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater savior than you are a sinner.