July 1, 2024 Show with William Allen on “From ‘Transgendered’ to Transformed by Christ”

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Childhood Longing, Church Background, and the Desire to Be a Girl

It will be the first of its kind on Iron Trump and Zion Radio, although I have interviewed individuals who were formerly involved in the sin of homosexuality who had repented and come to Christ, including such notables as Dr. Rosaria Butterfield, who was a lesbian and also a committed leftist and Marxist and tenured professor at Syracuse University who came to Christ and is now married to my friend, Pastor Kent Butterfield, who pastors a Reformed Presbyterian congregation in North Carolina.

But although I have interviewed several people formerly involved in that sinful lifestyle, if you could call it that, I have never, at least in my memory, I don't think I have ever interviewed a person who is formerly so-called transgendered.

We all know, as Bible-believing Christians, that that is not a real thing, being transgendered. Nobody can change the gender with which they were born. But obviously, in our day and age, it is a lie from Satan that is being proclaimed from the rooftops by the left and also being forced into the minds of little children in government schools where little children are being given drugs that will aid the process of so-called gender transformation and, of course, even to the lengths of surgery being performed on little children, utterly satanic actions being performed with the approval of parents.

But today we have, for the very first time, William Allen, which is an alias because he's trying to protect those in his life that may be in some way harmed or inconvenienced by his truth coming out, people who he was closely associated with and people who he cares about, including an ex-wife.

But William Allen is a man formerly deceived by the lies of Satan that he was a woman. And today we are going to be addressing, From Transgendered to Transformed by Christ, a formerly gender-confused man's testimony of salvation and warnings to parents about the satanic LGBTQ mission for your children.

We'll also be hearing about a new book that is expected to be in print soon by my guest, William Allen. And I'm honored that this is his first interview anywhere. It's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Trip and Zion Radio, William Allen.

Well, thank you, Chris. It's good to be here. Thanks for having me.

Oh, it's my pleasure. And well, let's start off right at the beginning with your childhood, the kind of atmosphere in which you were raised, if it was a religious atmosphere or not, what kind of religious atmosphere, and then lead us to the point where you actually, as I said earlier in announcing the theme, where you were deceived by Satan, that you were actually a woman, although you were biologically male.

I liked how you used the term so-called in the introduction that you did. I find that I'm using that a lot myself these days because I want to be clear with people. And let me just state also that I never, even as a child, I never thought I was a woman or a female.

I make a differentiation because a lot of people say things like they identify as or they feel like, you know, a woman trapped in a man's body. And I never felt like that. I, in my case, from early childhood, I just wanted to be a girl.

Uh, I, far back as I can remember, probably age five or so, I had always wished that I had been born a girl. I knew I was a boy. I knew my father was a boy. I knew my mother was a girl. And although I wasn't aware of all the, you know, biological differences at that point, I still knew they were different and they played different roles.

And I still wanted to be a girl.

Do you have any idea what that desire came from? Was it jealousy about how girls were treated differently than you? Was it things that girls typically do that you wanted to do? And so on.

Good question. I, um, I can't really put a finger on it. And for a good portion of my life, I always tried to figure that out. In fact, even when I was in college and studying computer science, I started taking psychology classes, hoping I'd, you know, figure out why, why I was that way.

But I, I hear that a lot of transgendered folks, they will describe being, uh, abused at some point in their life or had some sort of trauma like that. Um, there's another fellow down in Texas and, uh, he, he tells a story about an aunt that used to just dress him up as a girl all the time.

And somehow he felt like that was what was expected of him. I never, at least not that I can remember. I never had any of those things. I can't remember. There's no abuse. I had a very loving family.

And, uh, was it, was it a religious family?

Um, we went to church. Uh, I was raised up in the, in the Methodist church and my parents there, they sang in the choir.

Was it a liberal or a conservative traditional Methodist church?

Well, at the time, you know, this is back in the sixties. So, you know, I was a child at the time and I really couldn't, I couldn't tell you one way or another. Um, you know, I went to Sunday school and, and my parents went to Sunday school and then they would go to sing in the choir and I would sit by myself up in the balcony.

And, uh, you know, my dad would always keep an eye on me up there, make sure I'm not misbehaving. But, you know, at that time I, I wasn't getting a lot out of the sermons. I, I didn't understand most of what the pastor was saying.

And, uh, I'd usually be in my own little world up there. Uh, I had quite a, quite the imagination, uh, life. And, uh, but I, you know, I got through it and then we'd usually go to lunch afterwards and go home.

But, and that was pretty much the extent. Um, early in my childhood, I do remember when I'd be going to get, they were tucking me in and we would say that prayer, you know, now I lay me down to sleep and, uh, and then they would leave.

And I remember a lot of nights crying myself to sleep and praying to God that he would change me in the middle of the night. So at that point I was aware that there's males and females and I wanted to be a female.

I knew I was a male and I was also aware of a God, um, and the concept of God and that, you know, he, he created everything and he could do anything. So in my, you know, childlike mind, uh, I pray a lot that, uh, he would just change me in the middle of the night.

And I had other things that I was aware of. And I, I, I even, I can remember something going through my mind that if he did change me and I woke up a girl, I kind of wondered how would I, how was I going to explain that to my parents?

So it was, uh, an awful lot for a child of that age to deal with, you know, and of course back in the sixties, uh, certainly not like today. You can't talk about those things openly. And, uh, I never mentioned it.

I knew I had to keep a secret. I had this innate feeling that this was wrong. And, and the other thing too, is that I felt like I was probably the only one in the world that was like this. And that was going to be problematic for a lot of years.

Now you're saying, just to back up a little bit to clarify, you're saying that this was occurring in your mind from your earliest memories as a child?

Oh yeah. It's my earliest recollections. I can remember other things too. Things, you know, toys that I had and things that I did with my parents, the house I grew up in. But it's always coupled with that, that desire, uh, that wish that I had been born a girl instead of a boy.

And this would have been, since you're saying it's the earliest memory you have prior, prior to any sexual attraction of any kind.

Oh yeah. Way before puberty or anything. Like I said, five years old. And, uh, and, you know, I, I did, I did all the boy things, you know, uh, playing with neighborhood boys and cowboys and Indians. We had the cap guns and all that.

And, uh, we built forts in the neighborhood and we got into some mischief. And this was back in the days, you know, when kids kind of had free roam in the neighborhood and certainly in the summers and weekends, you know, you, you head out and mom usually says, just be home time for dinner, you know, have fun.

We'd usually spend the whole day out there. And, you know, if we ever got parched, you know, just find the nearest garden hose and, you know, kids can't do that kind of stuff these days. And I kind of wonder about the next generations, you know, how are they going to survive in the world?

So that's a side, that's a side thought. But, um, so yeah, I did all the boy things and then, you know, in the evening I'd go home and, and right outside my bedroom was a walk-in closet that was upstairs.

And it was a closet that my parents used to, to put their clothes that they didn't much wear anymore. And so I would, I'd get in there and I would dress up not dad's clothes, but in mom's clothes. And somehow that gave me, uh, it's hard to find the right word.

It gave me relief. It gave me peace. I got to pretend. And I honestly can't remember the first time that I did that. I don't know the genesis of that behavior. I don't know whatever prompted me to do that.

I don't know if I did that and maybe that was, you know, from then on, then I had that desire or if I had the desire and then I dressed up, I don't know.

Puberty, Marriage, and the Collapse of the First "Miracle"

So this, I'm assuming continued into your teens when you actually reach puberty. Um, did it also develop into homosexual attraction?

No.

And that was a, that was another very puzzling thing for me. Uh, yeah, it did lead into, uh, you know, all through elementary school and high school and, uh, and then in puberty hit and I liked girls, uh, just like any other, any other boy.

And in fact, in high school, I had, uh, I had three steady, different, uh, steady girlfriends at different times.

Wow.

You had a lot more girlfriends than a lot of, uh, normal, healthy old American guys.

Well, you know, one of them, one of them was for two years even. And, uh, uh, and I still had that desire and it was just, you know, just try to imagine a kid going through this, uh, especially at puberty time.

And, uh, and especially back then you're, you're about my age and nothing like this was even a part of thought or conversation.

No.

I mean, did you think that you were literally going insane or something? I mean, what was going on in your mind about this?

There were times.

Yeah. Yeah.

I just could not figure out how I could be attracted to girls. And yet I wanted to be one. And, and even when I was dating, you know, and still do, I was involved in the church, by the way, you know, I came up in the church, uh, when we moved to Florida from Ohio, we, we joined the big downtown Methodist church.

And I was in the youth group and choir and, uh, and this would have been long before the Methodist church was openly promoting this kind of thing.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.

So you actually reached a point where you met a woman that you fell in love with and, and you were, you got married.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I was in my early twenties. I had, uh, gotten out of college in Ohio and I relocated off to, uh, uh, Oregon. And I'm working for a big tech firm out there. And, uh, my, my father was an engineer too. And, and, uh, the company I went to work for was a company that built a lot of equipment that he used in his work.

And so he was kind of, it was kind of that, that pride, you know, that he had of me and, and, uh, um, he, we, we had our moment, you know, it was kind of a love, hate relationship growing up, but, uh, uh, he was proud of his boy.

You know, he, I was, uh, I was in scouting too is growing up and I was an Eagle Scout and he was, he was proud. That's my boy. That's I'm proud of him. He's got an Eagle Scout.

And, uh, was there anything, was there anything noticeably effeminate about you?

No, no. If you had known me back then you would never have guessed. In fact, when I did start telling people what I was going to do, they were just, they were stunned.

Yeah.

Kind of like, kind of like Bruce Jenner. I'm not saying that you were an accomplished athlete like him, but he suppressed all of that very well because nobody in a million years until, uh, that, uh, reality show came out, uh, with his wife and, uh, stepdaughters, uh, uh, no, and there were rumors starting to swirl around because he started to look, but, but nobody, nobody before that ever would have thought for a second that Bruce Jenner was having this proclivity.

Right, right.

Yeah.

And when I, when I met, uh, my future wife, we met on an airplane. I was headed back for a family reunion in Ohio and she was going to Atlanta. And, uh, I was just looking to get some sleep, you know, during, it was an all night flight.

And, uh, I just asked her the obligatory questions, how you doing, where you headed? And it turned into a conversation the whole way to where we had to change planes. And, uh, we exchanged information.

And when I got to, um, Ohio, uh, everybody asked me, how was the flight? I said, oh, it's good.

Good.

Just met the girl I'm going to marry.

Huh?

And they laughed at me and, uh, and I said, no, no, she'll, she'll be here next year as my wife. And, and she was, I can't say that I fell in love with her that night on the plane, but it was just one of those things, you know, we, we came up the same way.

Our families were very similar and just everything clicked, you know? And when I got back to, uh, Portland and she got back to Seattle where she lived, uh, you know, we started dating and it was long distance dating at first.

And, uh, this whole compulsion that I had, this, this thing that I never asked for, uh, it's, it, it went away. And man, I was just, I was in love and this, this is the woman I want to grow old with and raise kids with.

And I was, yeah, I was happy.

So these desires, these desires for being, uh, the opposite gender from which you were born, you're saying they disappeared. You weren't just, you, you weren't just repressing them. You saying they disappeared for a while.

Yeah, they subsided. And I, I really, I had been praying, you know, and in fact, uh, before the morning of our wedding, uh, I, I was praying and, um, thinking that, you know, there's the, I got a lot ahead of me here.

And I, I prayed that, uh, you know, the so-called sinner's prayer and, uh, and got saved because I knew it wasn't saved at that point. And, uh, but the thing was prior to that, I'd already been saved two or three times.

Well, you thought you were right, right.

So, you know, by the time, well, you know, after I got out of college, it was the same thing, any, any sort of a milestone in my life. You know, I, I realized that I wasn't really saved. And even though I, you know, in the church growing, you know, being active, participating, going each Sunday, contributing, uh, I even served as a treasurer at one of the churches.

Now, is this, was this still within the United Methodist Church or were you in a different evangelical church?

For the most part, uh, the Methodist Church. Um, and when I had gotten out to the Pacific Northwest, I was trying some other churches. I tried a four square church and a couple of different ones. And then, uh, uh, there was a Lutheran church too, that became a member of, for a while.

And that, that's the one where I was treasurer, but, you know, as I'm sure we're going to talk a little bit more about later. Yeah, it's pretty obvious. I wasn't even saved then. So, but you know, I got married thinking I was saved and, and, uh, thinking that I prayed to God, I prayed for a miracle and I thought I got it.

And so, uh, yeah, we got married, had a happy life for a good year and a half, almost two years. And then, uh, this old, uh, this insidious compulsion of mine reared its ugly head again.

Transition, Suicide Attempt, and the Pressure to "Pass"

Well, let's pick up where you left off there, where it reared its ugly head again, when we return from our first commercial break.

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You mentioned you had reached a point in your marriage after a honeymoon period, as they say, where things were going great. You were thanking God. You believe the miracle occurred, and then all of a sudden this gender confusion started rearing its ugly head.

If I could ask you, before you go into that specific development, did you have any children? And for the risk of asking too many deep questions, was your sex life a normal marital sex life?

Yeah, no children. Yeah, normal sex life. We enjoyed each other. Very much. And like I said before, we had plans to have children at some point. We talked about growing old together. I mean, we had our life pretty much all planned out.

But yeah, this thing came back with a vengeance.

Was it something that triggered it that you're aware of?

Not that I'm aware of. I think it's probably because I had been ignoring it, or I had been not giving it the attention that it had demanded throughout most of my life. Most of my life, you know, I could give it some attention just on a regular basis, you know, part of a day or whatever, and I could get through life okay.

But not giving it attention, not giving into it, it seemed to actually make it worse, make it more powerful.

Now explain that, because the, I don't know if it's just me, but the immediate mental thought that I would have in regard to this is that not giving it attention was the best thing to do. But are you saying in order to truly present this to God and plead with him for deliverance from it, is that what you mean?

No, you'd think that not giving something like that, giving it attention would be the right thing, and it actually probably is the right thing. But you know, at the time, I wasn't saved. That was still my condition in life.

And I, you know, like I said, for a while, I thought it had gone away, so it didn't even cross my mind. But when it started to come back, you know, that urge to give it the attention, which involved, you know, finding a private place to dress it up and just kind of pretending for a while, it seemed to give me some sort of relief.

Because that desire just to be a woman and about all I could do about it was have that pretend time.

And did your wife know about the pretend time?

No, not at first. OK, well, I did. I did eventually have to confide, had to confide in her because it was just taken over my.

Life. Wow.

And of course, you know, we started to have some other issues. You remember, Dr. James Dobson, I think it was.

Yeah, focus on the family.

Yeah, he had a list of the top 12 marriage killers or something. I think eight of them probably applied to us. So, you know, things like don't live near your in-laws in the first two years and don't don't buy a house in the first two years.

And if you do, don't don't get a fixer upper, you know, and don't start a business within the first age, all these little things. And we did all those things. So there was that. So there was some stress.

But if it hadn't been for this thing, well, I'm sure we could have gotten through it. But yeah, she this was not what she bargained for.

And it got tough.

Did she try to stick it out at all after hearing this? What most likely was a nightmare to hear?

Yeah, with maybe another six months or so. And she tried to process this whole thing. And it's it's I can't imagine what it was like for her to hear that because she she had pinned all her her future on me, you know, and having a husband that was going to stand by her, take care of her.

And I couldn't be that person all of a sudden. And it was totally new to her. And bless her, I just I just felt horrible for doing that to her.