February 25, 2021 Show with Ryan Denton & Jerry Dorris on “Key Elements of True Evangelism”

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I am holding back a laugh right now because I just got a text from a dear friend of mine that I

have not heard from in quite a long time, and he knows one of my guests, at least one of them.

Maybe he knows both of them, but his name is Ed Moore, pastor of North Shore Baptist Church

in Bayside, Queens, New York, but I will mention what Ed had to say in a little bit.

He is a nut, I can tell you that.

Excellent preacher and teacher, but also a nut.

But today we have a returning guest on the program,

and we also have a first -time guest on the program who both together are going to be addressing a very

vital topic.

First, we have returning to the program, Ryan Denton, who was a pastor on the Navajo

Reservation before starting Christ in the Wild Ministries, which he has directed since

2016, and he is also an author and an outdoor

evangelist or an open -air preacher and evangelist, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back

to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Ryan Denton.

Good to be back, Chris.

And tell our listeners a summary description of Christ in the Wild

Ministries.

Homeless shelter, so

we are...

And if anybody wants to look up more information on Christ in the Wild, go to

christinthewild .com, christinthewild .com.

And for the very first time on this program, we are featuring Jerry Dorris, who is

pastor of Reformation Church of Shelbyville, Kentucky, which is a confessionally reformed

Baptist congregation adhering to the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith, and

it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Pastor Jerry Dorris.

Thanks for having me on, brother.

I appreciate it.

Why don't you let our listeners know a little something about Reformation Church of Shelbyville, Kentucky.

Sure.

Reformation Church is...

We kind of came out of a church plant shrub, I guess, and

I had been called the pastor, I think it was in 2014.

And just as we met and stuff, we were Southern Baptists at the time, and I

just talked to the brothers about we needed to do something different.

We needed to be more forward with our theology.

And I don't know if you know the typical route of being reformed,

but you get people come in, they find out that you believe in the

doctrines of grace, and then they leave.

We decided to replant our church, change our name, everything,

and we replanted on the 500th anniversary of the protest,

and the Lord encouraged by

how the church has grown, but more just to see our membership engaged in

evangelism, engaged in confronting our culture.

A lot of people who are outside of confessional Reform Baptist circles or outside of

confessional Protestantism in general, they scratch their heads and they're

wondering why, hey, you got the Bible, which is inerrant.

Why do you need this confession?

I mean, are you adding things that are forced to be believed upon your members that are not in the

Bible?

People come to all kinds of conclusions because they are speaking, and

I don't mean this as an insult, but they're speaking in ignorance just because they don't know.

There are things I am ignorant of.

In fact, everybody who knows me well knows I'm ignorant of a lot of things.

But tell us about what it means to be a confessional church, just so people don't get the wrong idea.

Yeah, I

explained.

I'm in the pulpit

or someone else is in the pulpit.

The teaching remains the same.

A lot of people listening have no idea what you're talking about.

Well, I mean, a lot of younger people, I should say.

But yeah, so it's really the 1689 is really concentrated in it.

It's very helpful for our congregation to actually read it from a devotional standpoint.

They will read it and just...

Yes, I have, in fact, always been a member of

a...

As long as I've been a born -again believer, I was raised Roman Catholic, but was saved out of that in

the mid -1980s.

And thankfully, providentially, I was saved in a Reformed Baptist church.

Although it was not confessional at the time in an official sense, when I was

saved there, it very soon after, I was saved by the grace and mercy of God.

It became a confessionally Reformed Baptist church.

And I've been a member of confessionally Reformed Baptist churches ever since.

And as I was saying to you earlier, before we even went on the air, Jerry, you

are a first -time guest, so we have a tradition here.

Whenever we have a first -time guest, we give a portion of the show to

allow that guest to give a summary of their salvation testimony, which would include what kind of religious atmosphere,

if any, you were raised in, and what kind of providential circumstances or

Sovereign Lord raised up in your life that drew you to Himself and saved you.

So if you could give us a bit of your story.

Yeah, thanks for the opportunity.

I didn't even know that I had smoked marijuana when I was eight years old.

It was the first time.

It was just...

That was the culture that we lived in.

My mom remarried when I was a teenager, and she remarried a man who

began taking us to church.

So I was drugged to church and

confronted with the Gospel.

I was actually at a Charismatic Revival meeting in 1984

when the Lord arrested my heart.

I was convicted of my sin, heard the Gospel,

trappings, and all what I would consider now false theology.

Still, God regenerated my heart, and I was on fire.

I remember starting high school soon

after that and open -air preaching in the school.

Me and another buddy, we would go from one end to the other, and he would yell at me and say, Hey,

Jim, and I would yell back the answers to him.

We were just radically saved.

He providentially moved me along.

The pastor was calling me to go to the mission field.

I went to Urbana in 1987 and was

freed from that.

I went to Bible college, met my wife.

She and I went to Turkey as missionaries.

I can summarize it this way.

So the Lord has transformed my heart theologically along this path.

I can think five or six times when you are confronted with

the doctrines of grace, it's like, was I ever saved prior to this moment?

But yet, I look back on my life in

that way and just am thankful that the Lord.

Has transformed my life.

Amen.

Well, I want to make sure that people who, I don't know if I mentioned this before, but

if anybody wants to look up more information about Reformation Church in

Shelbyville, Kentucky, go to refchurch

.com, refchurch .com.

That is the church where our guest, Jerry Doris, is the pastor.

Now, I mentioned him earlier.

Jerry, do you know Ed Moore?

I don't recall his name.

I thought that he knew you because it was just a strange text to get.

See, Ed has got a very strange sense of humor.

And some of the things that he says aren't necessarily on their face very funny, but if you know him and if you ever

saw his facial expressions while he was saying a certain thing, you might find him hilarious.

But this will date you if you know who Doris Day is.

He was doing a play on words here because your name is Jerry Doris.

But he says, today is a very special day.

In fact, it's a Doris Day, so que sera, sera, ladies and gentlemen.

And he says, let me start off by asking, do you believe whatever will be will be?

So that was our contribution from the insane Ed Moore of North Shore

Baptist Church in Queens, New York.

And believe it or not, that song actually came up in a sermon by a very powerful

Reformed Baptist preacher years ago.

I don't know if either of you have ever heard of Amresh Simeroth, who is a pastor

in Trinidad.

But I could still remember him in his very thick Trinidadian accent, yelling

very loudly, warning against the que sera, sera of hyper

-Calvinism.

So that's something that we should never believe.

Whatever will be will be, as if we are fatalists.

But the issue today is, as I mentioned before, the key elements

of true evangelism.

And let me start with Ryan.

Ryan, obviously, since we are titling this message, The Key

Elements of True Evangelism, there must be something that is a false version of

that.

In fact, I have a feeling my two guests would agree that in the 21st

century, the majority of evangelism that we hear in Christian media, that

we hear on Christian radio, that we see on Christian television, that we read

in the most popular Christian books, is false evangelism.

And I am not broad -brushing.

Of course, there are many true pastors, true churches, true authors, and

true evangelists that are faithfully and biblically evangelizing, preaching the gospel.

But obviously, in our day and age, the

church has become more and more like the world, and has become more and more concerned

with pleasing the world over God.

But would you agree with that assessment, Ryan?

And if you could, before we go into some of the key elements, perhaps even give us a broad

comparison and contrast the true evangelism with the false.

Yes, I certainly,

naively, have negative reasons

for doing

it.

We all want to see conversions.

But,

you know, in

my

context, I

just heard

some bad

names.

If you need a

crowd,

you

can do

evangelism.

Like

what you just

said

reminds

me of something

that

occurred many years ago.

I believe it was in the 1980s, and it could have been in the early 1990s.

I don't know.

I can't remember which.

I was a young Christian.

I know that.

But my Roman Catholic sister, Mary, said that she wanted to

go to the Billy Graham crusade that came to the Nassau Coliseum on Long

Island.

And I explained to her that my church, where I was a member, Calvary Baptist Church of

Amityville, which later became Grace Reform Baptist Church of Merrick, I

explained to her that we, as a church, did not participate in the Billy Graham crusade

because of compromises that the

crusade ministry and Billy Graham himself were involved in that we believed were very heretical and

very dangerous.

And one of those things was ecumenism that Billy Graham has even

had on the podium with him, Roman Catholics, and even liberal Protestants

that deny the pillars of the faith.

And basically, pragmatism was a key element of the Billy Graham crusade

association and likely still is.

In fact, if someone came forward or someone comes forward

at one of the crusades, I believe they are likely going to continue something in that

fashion, even though Billy Graham has gone home to be with the Lord.

But if someone came forward to receive Christ, you

were told as a counselor, you were forbidden as a counselor to refer that person

to a Bible -believing church or any particular church.

You had to send them back where they came from, which is insanity, in my opinion.

But I told my sister that I would attend this crusade with her since she was

very interested in going and the Catholic church was promoting it.

And I told her I would go with her so I could answer or try to answer any questions she had after it was

over.

And when we were taking a bus there with a local Baptist church,

and I was saying these things to my sister about the ecumenism and so on,

and I said to the pastor of that church that was across the aisle from me, and again, this was not my

own pastor or the church where I was a member, I said to the pastor, Do you

agree with my assessment of the Billy Graham crusade?

And he said, Yes, yes.

I said, Why is your church officially participating?

Souls are getting saved, brother.

Souls are getting saved.

So he was actually a counselor, and he would obey the

rules, not to prefer people to a particular church.

So that's a very tragic and disturbing reality, isn't it?

Right.

And he

would

about

be really...

That was a Joel Osteen title.

Well, yeah, mostly he intentionally did it thinking, Oh,

okay, wonderful plan for your life.

Oh, that's what it's called.

But he mentioned that.

Evan, anything to add, Pastor Jerry?

Just that strike home.

I remember having a young man who I was in high school with,

that we went together at that time to a Billy Graham event

near our area, and he supposedly gave his life to Christ and went through the whole

process of decisionism.

And Facebook reconnects you with these people.

And he's an atheist to this day.

He hates the things of God.

He was so burned on it because he was told something was going to happen, and nothing happened.

And so he was left and blamed that, thinking that

that is the experience of all those that profess Christ, and that it's just a bunch of

charlatans that are out there, never experiencing true regeneration, never being confronted and being

undone by his own sin and being rescued by Christ.

And just very briefly, because we don't want to derail the main topic, but

Ryan, you had mentioned before Pelagianism.

And Pelagius was someone who believed that

humans were born without the taint of original sin.

He did not believe in what the Reformers would later refer to as total depravity.

He believed, basically, a person was born as a clean slate.

And he did not believe in the necessity of grace for someone to come to belief in

Christ.

And even the Roman Catholic Church, which is well known

to be a works righteousness false church,

a church that teaches a false gospel of works righteousness, even they condemn

Pelagius because of his denial of the necessity of grace, and also the denial

of original sin.

But you could barely distinguish today your average Roman Catholic from

a full -blown Pelagianist.

Would you even agree with that statement, that extreme statement?

Sure.

Yeah, no, sure.

Well, you know, aside from the fact that the

Romans

said original

Pelagianism,

human

nature and

its

freedom,

we agree that

the reason

people

go

to

hell...

Well, we have to go to our first break right now.

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And Ryan, perhaps you could start this portion

by giving us some key elements of true evangelism.

I especially want us to cover things that you may know that we did not cover in previous

interviews on related subjects that we ran out of time to discuss and you

were chomping at the bit to bring them up.

So keep that in mind throughout the broadcast.

But why don't you tell our listeners what you believe the Bible teaches about elements that

must be present if evangelism is going to be truly faithful to the scriptures?

So I would say,

actually,

now

granted,

but if it's

not,

is I'm already right.

And you see some of this in Matthew 28, in the great,

and one of the, it begins by Christ saying, all

authority, authority in heaven on earth, in heaven and in earth,

that he says, lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.

And so he begins by saying Christ,

in and end with Jesus Christ.

Now I know that's kind of, I think

we forget that and we try to, our

knowledge, and I see a lot of people from evangelizing because they think, well, I can't evangelize because

I might encounter somebody who's smarter than me, who makes me look dumb.

I might encounter some persecution.

Matthew,

which

is Jesus Christ,

principle of evangelism as

relying

on Christ, knowing this is his.

Now, Pastor Jerry Doris, as you know, being a Reformed Baptist pastor,

I'm sure you have likely heard things from other evangelicals

who are not Reformed.

You have heard them say things that would basically amount to, if

they were to hear the title of today's discussion that we are having,

they would say, you have Calvinists, three Calvinists discussing true

evangelism.

That is the absolute worst source of truth on evangelism because that is

the most aberrant and horrible

element of Calvinism, of Reformed theology.

It's devoid of evangelism.

It's, there is no passion for the lost.

There is no concern for people to believe and repent

because it's all programmed like a computer.

God is just using us all as chess pieces and puppets.

So nothing that we do even matters.

And on and on and on I could go.

But this is, isn't this, Pastor Doris, the antithesis

of what historic Calvinism has always taught and what true

Calvinistic pastors, preachers, evangelists, and missionaries have always believed.

It's the antithesis of that.

Absolutely.

That's on the heritage of Calvinistic evangelism.

And by that, in

what he has, in Ryan's book, Even If None, we

go out because we are worshiping him.

So the Calvinist evangelist, it is an act of worship.

We want to have joy when we explain the gospel, when we are used

to God to minister in whatever way he sees fit to use us.

Effect is there are those that God is going to call

to others

that are hard commanded.

And so going to Ryan's book,

that that's going to happen.

I mean, evangelism is beating it.

I just

kind of all around

evangelism.

And let me go back to Ryan.

And of course, Pastor Jerry, you can chime in as well.

But isn't one of the elements of true

evangelism, the declaration

of the vital truth that we are all sinners deserving

of hell and the one and only cure, our one and

only hope is Jesus Christ and him crucified.

And there is much of modern day evangelism, and it's not just

21st century.

It's been going on for quite a while.

But the way that Christ and the so -called gospel, which

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Well,

in

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She's really in hell.

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Is what we have today.

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And that's chrisarns .com and Ryan, I kind of interrupted you in

mid -sentence before the break because I had to break away.

Do you have anything further to add?

We were discussing right before the break how often, tragically

too often in modern evangelism the whole concept of sin,

the whole concept of repentance, the whole concept about warnings of damnation are absent

from evangelism.

It's not even evangelism at all.

If you could just pick up where we left off.

Sure, yeah.

Oh, I didn't even know

that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So

he

knows

about man.

One thing that I think,

and that's because they're made in God's image.

So in removing every human being

who's doing it, it's God and

pragmatism.

We don't have to rely.

Now you mentioned something that I think

is wrongly used by some who are reformed.

There is an element amongst us, as you are probably fully aware,

where a church or a pastor might

believe that using or expressing emotion in

preaching, the appropriate raising of the voice,

the thundering of the voice from a pulpit, that kind of thing is inappropriate

because it is just another way of manipulating people's emotions.

I wholeheartedly disagree with that.

Spurgeon, who was a thoroughgoing Calvinist, wholeheartedly disagreed with that.

Obviously, George Whitefield disagreed with that.

Why is it that we believe that this is, as far as homiletics, very appropriate?

In fact, I think an element of the best of preaching is when a

preacher evangelist is not just in a dry fashion stating facts in an

impassionate way, in a way that demonstrates

even if it's not true, it gives the picture, the impression, that he does not really love

what he's talking about.

He doesn't think it's very important because he's talking about things like how

he's reading the manual on how to repair a blender or something.

It's just devoid of any true concern for the hearer's

souls, if you could.

When you think of Matthew 28,

where they're worshiping Christ,

even if beside my fireplace and nobody's in the room and I

might not be exclaiming things,

I'm thinking about Christ and I'm reading scripture, there's an element in me that's being drawn away.

It's being drawn into what I'm reading.

It's being drawn into the God that I worship whenever I pray or whenever I speak about God, etc.

And, of course, in a sense, I mean, that's just the way God made

us,

and emotion.

It

might be helpful here.

So, yeah, I'm with you totally.

I mean,

I

think

it

goes

back

to the

way—.

Yes, and we have a listener who happens to be a faithful and generous

listener who supports Iron Trump and Zion Radio financially on a monthly basis.

His name is Grady from Ashboro, North Carolina.

And Grady says, Greetings, brothers.

It's always astonishing when I'm sharing the gospel with someone and they find out I'm a Calvinist and they

say they didn't know we believe in sharing the gospel.

Why wouldn't we?

We don't know who the elect are.

My question, however, is something that I just had happen in the last couple of

weeks.

I've never had a problem sharing with Jehovah's Witnesses when they come to my house, but last week I got a

letter from one.

I know that they are—.

I know that they're told not to read any other literature, but do you think I should send a

letter back with the gospel?

Excellent question, Grady, and guess what?

I got a letter, too.

It's a new tactic or a new thing they're doing, but the address that that person

gives as their return address, I guarantee you if you Google it, it's the local Kingdom Hall.

It's not that person's address.

So if you want to actually send that person and add a tract or

something and just pray that they're not going to throw it out immediately because that's what they're going to be told to do,

I would Google the person's name and the city and state where you live.

You never know.

Or look it up on whitepages .com and you might get an address, and I would mail, and

hopefully it's the same person that sent you the letter, but mail them

something in that way.

But do you have any comments about the idea itself, Ryan,

about—even if he was certain the address was a legitimate one, should you send

literature to them knowing—or send a letter back with the gospel to a person like

this, Jehovah's Witness or anyone else?

Somebody's going to read it, is my thought.

Well, thank you, Grady.

And as far as—see, and of course,

evangelism is a separate thing that is not

always preaching.

There is a unique form of declaration of truth

from a pulpit by a preacher to a congregation that

should include evangelism, but it's not all evangelism.

So what would be the thing that sets apart evangelism from that?

I think that all preaching includes evangelism, but not all evangelism is necessarily

preaching, because evangelism would even include sitting next to a

stranger on a bus and telling them about the Lord, telling them about the need for the cross, etc.

But if you could give your own comments here.

Yeah,

and even

like

the

idea

that—.

One of the things that we have mentioned before, but I think it bears repeating,

is that in history, a lack of belief or denial

of, and even maybe an opposition to, Reformed theology, Calvinism, the doctrines of grace,

it really robs a person of, if they're logically

consistent, that is, it robs a person of persistence and patience in evangelism, doesn't

it?

Because when you rely too much on the understanding

that your oratory capabilities or your knowledge

or your manner of evangelizing, and on top of that,

the person's will and the person's

interests and tastes and circumstances in life,

to whom you are evangelizing, if you have a

worldview and a theology that says those things are the ultimate determiners

of when a person and what person will embrace the gospel,

you're going to be lacking, typically, in the patience to continue and

persevere in trying to win them, because we know, as Reformed people, that His

elect come out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation.

We know that His word shall never return void, and we

have that extra added confidence that

His elect are out there and they will

emerge from the sea of humanity, the sea of the

reprobates.

They will emerge out of that eventually, and they will come to Christ, and we just have to

keep pressing on and moving forward and never becoming weary of our

well -doing, as it were.

Am I making sense here?

Yeah,

yeah,

just we're

not living in a

revival climate right now.

I evangelize primarily to glorify God, and secondly, I know that Christ has sheep out there

who keeps me

going

and continue doing it,

because

I'm something

that God

Himself evangelizes when we do that, right?

Honestly, because the human beings are very fallacious.

They don't always convert it.

I'm looking at converting,

like you mentioned, my oratory, my knowledge, as opposed to saying,

this person

was a

machine,

although I was a medium.

Going back to something that bears repeating, when a non

-Calvinist or an anti -Calvinist says, why do you even waste your time evangelizing?

If God has this thing all rigged, who's going to be saved?

Who's going to be lost?

Well, not only does He command it, but it's the means He uses, as

we've addressed.

And also, we could be deprived of witnessing

those about whom we care, those whom we love, witnessing them come to Christ.

If we do not participate in evangelizing them.

Am I making sense here?

I mean, if they are the elect, they're going to be saved, but they may come

to Christ in some part of the country or world where we don't hear

about it, and they may die without us ever knowing that they came to Christ.

We may be robbing ourselves of that peace.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, sure.

Yeah, and well, that's the other thing.

I mean, you know, God

could have dropped,

you know, I mean, God could have,

because

He's

even

if

none, that

book

is

seeking the

gospel, preaching the gospel, you received it in faith.

You know, when you heard about,

I

mean, this

is the

natural

revelation,

cannot give it to them.

Amen.

We have to go to our final break right now.

It'll be a lot faster than the other ones.

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This is Chris Arnzen and this is our last segment of today's interview with Ryan Denton.

We were originally joined also by Jerry Dorris and now

Ryan is going to be my guest solo for the remaining portion of the show

due to an important appointment that Pastor Dorris had.

But I'd like you, Ryan, to, before we go into any more listener questions, I want you to really

summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today, especially if it might be something

that we didn't have a chance to bring up in other interviews on similar issues.

Well,

yeah,

I

would

go.

I never have regretted anything that I ever wrote on Facebook.

Yeah, yeah, you and me both, Chris.

That's right.

We're the only one.

I have Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania, who has a

comment slash question.

He says, I've been hearing from those ministers of the gospel whom I respect

most that one of the primary causes, they believe in the downfall

of Robbie Zacharias, who has been known as one of the world's greatest

evangelists and has no doubt led many to Christ, is that

he fell into such wickedness because he was not known as a churchman.

He was not known as somebody who believed a local church was a major element in his

life.

There is nothing really all that well known about his connection to a local church.

Don't you think that that is an important aspect that every evangelist has to remind

himself of, that we are not to be just mavericks traveling around, spreading the gospel, thinking

that is sufficient, that we don't need a local body where we are connected,

where we are accountable, where we are faithful members, and that evangelism

is just an important function and a primary role of every Christian in one

extent or another, but the connection to the local church is of primary

importance.

Would you agree with that?

Sure, yeah.

I

think

for

personally,

and yeah, we need to be,

because it's all the body.

I mean, everybody, we as evangelists need to be equipped

in certain areas, and we certainly need accountability, and we certainly, certainly, and here's the other thing, I mean,.

Time, and I want to make sure that I repeat your website and also Pastor Jerry Dorris's

website for Reformation Church or Shelbyville, Kentucky.

First of all, Ryan Denton's ministry, Christ in the Wild Ministries, can be found

at christinthewild .com, christinthewild .com,

and Reformation Church of Shelbyville, Kentucky can be found at refchurch .com, R

-E -F, an abbreviation for Reformation, church .com, refchurch .com.

Thank you so much, Ryan, for being such an excellent guest.

I look forward to your return.

Extend my gratitude to Jerry Dorris the next time you speak.

I hope to have him back on as well, and I want to thank everybody who listened, and I want you all to always remember for the rest

of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.