Noah's Ark and Sodom & Gomorrah Archeological Sites with Pastor Todd Find

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Tonight's speaker is pastor and PhD, Todd Fink.

He's the founder and director of Go Missions to Mexico and the Holy Land Site Ministries.

He has an extensive bio, so I'm just going to hit some highlights.

He holds the following degrees, Bachelor of Theology from Freelandia Bible College,

Master of Divinity Studies at Western Seminary, and Master of Theology from Freedom Bible

College and Seminary, Master of Divinity from Trinity Theological

Seminary, and a PhD in Theology from Trinity Theological

Seminary.

He served as a youth associate pastor for 11 years and at

Evangelical Church in Oregon from 1987 to 1998.

So, Pastor Todd, if you could open us in prayer, and then you're

free to speak for as long as you need to.

Okay.

Thank you.

Well, it's a real honor to be here with you all, so let's go ahead and begin with a word.

Of prayer.

Heavenly Father, we come before you.

We acknowledge, Lord, that you are our creator.

We exist by you and because of you, and Lord, we ask

this evening that you would be with.

Us.

We invite you to be with us.

Pray, God, that you would open our hearts.

Lord, pray that you would give us a hunger for your word, for your truth, Lord.

Pray that you would just grant us grace.

Lord, pray that you would be with each person in their needs and their struggles.

Lord, we just ask that you would speak to us tonight and just give us a real joy as we spend

this precious time together.

We pray these things in your name.

Amen.

Okay.

Well, thank you all for joining, and we're going to be talking about two large

topics, but we're going to do that in a smaller scale because I want to get plenty of time for

Q &A at the end here.

So we're going to break this down into two parts.

The first part is going to be Noah's Ark.

We're going to be talking about that, some of the evidence for the location of it.

Then we're going to be talking about Sodom and Gomorrah.

So we're going to go ahead and roll here.

So the great flood, was it a real event?

The answer is yes, it was a real event.

It wasn't a myth.

It's mentioned 47 times throughout the Bible with references in nine different

books, such as Genesis, Chronicles, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Matthew,

Luke, Hebrews, and 1 and 2 Peter.

Most people don't really realize, I didn't really until I really researched this, how many times that

the flood is mentioned in these nine different books.

So this means Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jesus, the Apostle Peter, the author of

Hebrews, all attest to the truthfulness of this catastrophic event as being

literal and real.

Now what's very notable in all of this is that Jesus referenced Noah and the flood

five times in the Gospel accounts.

And this is weighty evidence of the reality and truthfulness of Noah's Ark and the great

flood because Jesus referred to it as being a literal event, not some myth or

fairy tale as many believe today.

In fact, there is even a growing number among the big camp of evangelicals

that are moving away from a literal six -day creation, a literal flood

account, and these things are becoming mythical, figurative.

In fact, the first eight chapters of Genesis is highly

contested, and like I say, many in the camp of evangelicals are moving away from literal

to figurative.

However, that presents a great problem for them because Jesus spoke about it

as a real event and Jesus is just not any person as we would all

agree.

So in Matthew 24, 36, it says, but about that day, talking about his second coming,

no one knows, pardon me, but about that day and hour, no one knows,

not even the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father alone.

For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah.

For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage

until the day that Noah entered the Ark and they did not understand until the flood came and

took them all away.

So will the coming of the Son of Man be.

And once again, Jesus spoke about Noah five times.

So it is a real event that did happen and it's found all throughout Scripture.

Now, a lot of people would ask, why would God send such a catastrophic flood

upon the earth?

Well, Genesis 6, 5 through 8 tells us exactly why.

It says, then the Lord saw that the wickedness of mankind was

great on the earth.

I'm reading from the NASB version if you would like to follow and that every intent of the

thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually.

So the Lord was sorry that he had made mankind on the earth and he was grieved in his heart.

Then the Lord said, I will wipe out mankind whom I have created from the face of the

land, mankind and animals as well and crawling things and the birds of the

sky.

For I am sorry that I have made them, but Noah found favor in the eyes of the

Lord.

So what we see here is that there was great wickedness on the earth.

So from the time of the creation until the great flood is approximately

about 2 ,000 years.

We know that by following the genealogies.

So during this period, it just continually grew worse and worse and worse so that

the thoughts of all were just continually evil.

And so evil causes great heartache and suffering.

So actually this was an act of mercy because it alleviated

the righteous which were few.

But anyway, it was because of their great wickedness that God sent the flood.

Now, God is a just God.

Did God give the wicked an opportunity to repent before the flood?

The answer is yes.

It says in 2 Peter 2 .5 that Noah is referred to as a preacher of

righteousness.

That means he was a preacher.

And he preached to the people of his day to repent and turn from their wickedness to God.

So he built the ark, simultaneously preached.

And the ark was a tool through which he did preach as well.

Because it was something very unique.

There had never been a flood before and it never rained before.

So this was very, very unique.

So it was a tool that Noah could use inspired by God.

And so we don't know exactly how long Noah preached to the people of his day.

But it could easily have been between around 50 to 100 years.

And then to those who didn't directly hear Noah's preaching, they had a

conscience given to them by God, God's laws written in their hearts, and God's spirit convicting

them of their wickedness as it says in Romans 2.

So everyone, even though they don't hear the verbal message, they have the internal

spirit of God that speaks to them through their conscience, through his laws written in their hearts, and as it says in Romans

1, through creation so that no one is without excuse.

So God gave everyone ample time to repent and to turn to him, but they

chose not to.

Now, where did the water come from that flooded the whole earth?

Some people have a problem with this.

It says in Genesis 7, 11 through 12, in the 600 year of Noah's life in the second month on the

17th day of the month, on that day, all the fountains of the great deep burst open and the floodgates

of the sky were open.

The rain fell upon the earth for 40 days and 40 nights.

So this means that the water came from two sources, came from the fountains of the deep and from the floodgates of the sky.

And so the earth then rapidly filled up with water.

Now, it appears that during this time that the continents were formed and the fountains of the deep opened and the water gushed

out.

So it's believed by many that that's when the continental plates shifted and then because you have

this fountains of the deep opening up.

And then it's also believed that the water canopy that God had created at creation says that there was

the water expanse above that before the flood, the earth

was like a huge greenhouse that was tropical in nature worldwide.

That's why we find tropical fossils in places like the North and South Pole.

So there was this water canopy around the earth, but when the flood came, the canopy came down.

And so this canopy came down, the earth's atmosphere changed drastically because there was no

longer a water canopy to protect the earth and keep the heat in.

Rapid cooling took place at the northern and southern poles in the higher mountains.

And this is evidenced by animals found frozen instantaneously in the poles and higher

mountains.

And also, as we mentioned, we find fossil, we find tropical fossils in the pole

area.

So it seems really like this is what it was.

There was a canopy above the earth.

When the flood came, it came down, exposed the atmosphere.

You had instant freezing simultaneously on the poles.

Now, how long was there water on the earth?

This escapes many of us that we would think, oh, maybe it rained 40 days, 40 nights.

Soon after that, Noah got off the flood.

The reality is, as you can see here in this photo, the water was on the earth up

until about day 278 and then 285 day, Noah

sends out the dove and stuff.

And then day 314, the earth's surface is dried up.

And on day 370, that's when Noah and his family finally leave the ark.

So there was water on the earth for around 285 plus days.

And Noah and his family and the animals were on the ark for

370 days total.

That's well over a year.

That's a long time.

But that's what the Bible says.

Now, we're going to look at some evidence that supports Noah's Ark at the Drupanar site.

Now, there's basically two options at this point.

Well, there's more, but there's two main options that have become popular over the

past years.

One is on top of Mount Ararat.

And then the other is the Drupanar site, which we're going to be talking about today.

And I have to be honest, the research that I have done leads me to believe that

the greatest, the best candidate for the location of Noah's Ark is at the Drupanar

site.

And I'm going to share some of that with you.

And then at the end, if we have time, you might have the question, well, what about Mount Ararat?

Why shouldn't we consider it?

And we can talk about that if you'd like.

So what is the evidence that supports Noah's Ark at the Drupanar site?

And I'm just going to kind of walk through this fairly quickly if I may.

I should say that, once again, we're sharing just a small part of what we could

share.

If you want to watch our videos about this, you can do that, which will be far more extensive.

And you can find those at holylandsite .com.

So the location of the Drupanar site, the Drupanar site was named after

a pilot who was flying for a mission.

And he spotted this.

And so he took pictures of it.

It was named after him.

But this site, this Drupanar site has been venerated for millenniums.

And we're going to be showing you evidence of the way in which it's been venerated or recognized

for thousands and thousands of years.

So it's not a new site.

It's an old site, actually.

So it's in the mountains of Ararat, as the Bible says.

So it says in Genesis 8, 4, then in the seventh month, on the seventh day of the month, the ark

rested upon the mountains of Ararat.

So notice that the ark came to rest in the mountains of Ararat.

It doesn't say that it came to rest on the mountain of Ararat.

So this means it could have come to rest in the region of Ararat.

So it appears that this Ararat was a region.

Okay.

So according to the Encyclopedia Britannica, the name Ararat, as it appears in the Bible, is the

Hebrew equivalent of Uartu, or Uartu, the Assyrio

-Babylonian name of a kingdom that flourished between the Eris and the Upper Tigris Rivers from the ninth to the

seventh century BC.

So this was a kingdom.

The Bible even says it was a kingdom.

I would read that to you, but I won't because of time's sake.

But it was a region, and so it says that the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat,

which seems to be this region area, not necessarily on the mountain.

And here you can see the region of Uartu, or Ararat.

And then here's a map that shows where the location of the Jerubanar site is

in relation to the Black Sea, the Caspian Sea, and East Turkey.

So it's here, as you can see.

And then you can see where Mount Ararat is, and then here's the area in which the evidence,

there's a lot of evidence that has been undercovered, revealed.

Okay, so then you can see here, this is a close -up, somewhat, of an area that has

a lot of evidence, which is called the Arsat, and it has the drogue stones, which we'll be talking

about, what appears to be some evidence for Noah's house ruins, Noah's

altar, and corrals, and things like that, that

someone claimed would be the evidence for Noah's Ark.

So we'll be talking about that a little bit later.

So now let's look at this boat -shaped object.

And right here is this boat -shaped object, and you can see the photos of it

here.

There's substantial evidence that has been found in this

boat -shaped ark, or this boat -shaped object, we'll say.

One, it fits the general ark dimensions of 300 cubits by 50 cubits wide and by 30 cubits

high.

Its length is exactly 30 royal cubits, which is 515 feet long, or

157 meters, its width is larger than the royal cubits.

So anyway, it really seems to fit the size of the

ark.

Now it is a little bit wider, and this has been explained by the belief that as it decomposed,

the walls fell outward.

Now it is unique that this shape is shaped like the ark, and there's a

lot of evidence in this that we'll just look at briefly.

It has three distinct layers that have been discovered by these geophysical scans.

And then Ron Wyatt dug a 6 -inch hole shaft and he found some petrified animal

dung, deer antlers, cat hair, human hair, and other fibers.

Let me just say for the record that just because I quote someone in their discoveries does not

mean that I endorse everything about them or what they claim to discover.

I'm just simply citing just some evidence from this person.

Then there were some metal detector tests taken over the years that revealed a distinct organized pattern of metal beneath the

surface and metal objects as well that seemed quite unique.

And then there's been some scans taken that seem to reveal there's

something underneath here.

You can see some photos here where it looks like there's ribs to this

structure.

Some just, like I said, just discoveries that have been made within it.

There have been found four intact metal rods by the Turkish government.

And once again, some of these objects seem to be man -made and

not just from nature.

So in June of 1991 there was an object that was discovered.

It was a large rivet with a washer around it that appears, and it's believed to have fastened the large

timbers of the ark together.

And the analysis of the object showed that it was made of various metals such as titanium,

aluminum, iron and such.

And these metals, according to the

Encyclopedia Britannica are not found in nature.

They are man -made materials.

Here's a picture of the rivet that you can see here.

Okay, and then there was also found, once again I'm going to kind of just move through this.

You'll be able to see this stuff if you want to go back, or once again if you want to watch these videos on our website.

But there was some petrified wood that appears to have been discovered here as well.

And you can see a piece of that.

It seems to be laminated so it wasn't just like a solid piece of wood.

It seems to have been laminated.

Together.

And then.

Now we're going to talk about these drogue and anchor stones.

Now, this is what I would say.

These drogue and anchor stones fascinate me, and to me, they are the

greatest evidence.

Now the boat -shaped object, we can dispute that.

I know some would.

But these drogue stones and anchor stones, we'll tell you what they are, are really

I think they're the strongest evidence to be with you, and they're really persuasive to me.

So we have around 30 of these stones that have been found in

this area and they are shaped like tombstones, but they have these holes in them and they're not

uncommon.

In fact, we'll show you pictures later on.

They were used in the ancient world when I was in the Mediterranean.

You can see these drogue stones there.

They're found by the Nile.

They're not unique.

They were used to stabilize ships.

They were ship stabilizers that would hang down from the ship.

They were like a sailboat.

They were ballast.

So they're very unique.

And.

I told you about these.

They were attached to the ship so that they weren't driven to and fro.

And there's around 30 of these that have been found scattered from east to west

or west to east pardon me.

And so it appears as the arc was coming down that these drogue stones hit.

That's what they're called, these drogue stones.

That's what the name of them are and so that they kind of just broke loose and then were scattered

along.

Now these drogue stones.

Are.

200 miles from the closest ocean and about 5 ,300 feet

or 1 ,650 meters above sea level.

Why in the world are they there?

They have no business being there other than that a huge ship like the ark dropped

them there.

So why someone would haul them up there is that makes no sense

and they're the largest drogue stones found in the world.

And this would make sense as the ark was massive in size and would need extra large stones

to stabilize it.

Now many of.

These stones have carvings on them from early Christians

visiting the sites in the crusader period.

They carved crosses on them and then several of the stones have been used as grave markers so

there's a lot of ancient carvings on these stones.

So once again this Drupenar site while it's a new name for this site is not

a new site.

It's been venerated for millenniums.

Now one of these stones has an ancient carving that appears to be the tower of Babel and then some other

ancient writings.

So here's just some photos of some of these drogue stones.

Here this one's broken.

Off.

You can see how they were used in ancient ships how they would hang down.

Once again they had a hole through them at the top.

And here's some photos of other drogue stones that were used.

So once again they're not some unique new phenomenon they were common in the ancient world.

But once again why these stones.

These massive drogue stones were at an elevation of 5 ,300 feet 200 miles away from any

ocean any large body of water is very unique.

You can see some more of these drogue stones.

Here's one here that you can see pretty clearly.

So we have these drogue stones that are quite unique and all around the area the names of

the places are very unique and are related.

To.

The Noah's Ark event so we have the village of the eight

that is today is called, it used to be called Kazan, today it's called Goyer.

Some of these names the crocker bird won't land the crow bird won't land.

This Ziret Dogi means to take a voluntary pilgrimage

likely refers to the pilgrimage.

Of Noah.

The Wuzengali town.

This is drawn from the same name as Moses so the root

word is Mosher.

It's not Mosher but.

It seems Moses shares the same word root word

Nasr which means to make a sacrifice.

Like I say you just have these names.

That.

Are very unique and they're old names that have been brought through the languages so they're not something

new and so they just really seem to give greater

evidence that there was, that this area once again has a long

historical.

Background.

To it.

Then of course due to the history of this site the Turkish government designated

the place as Noah's Ark National Park.

Now.

That does seem to give a little bit of weight.

And here's a picture of the visitor center.

They have plans to refurbish it here.

You can see it, you can see in the background Mount Ararat and the smaller and lesser.

Ararat.

I should mention that this boat shaped object is down below the visitor center.

Then also some have claimed that the evidence for Noah's home grave,

gravestone markers in a stream by Noah's home that provided water for crops, vineyards and animal

husbandry can be found and then a large rock where possibly Noah offered

sacrifices and this is in the town of Arsat.

And.

Here you can see this used to be a structure but when word got out

that in the 80s that this was possibly by westerners and places like that that this was

Noah's Ark area then grave diggers and relic hunters came in and just

demolished things looking for relics and things of that nature but we have photos of it

from years past where it's standing anyway.

Here's a photo of Arsat.

And then up here is where Noah's home and stuff like that

someone claimed would be.

Here's some old photos of Noah's home claimed to be standing.

And here's a tomb that was there that has an interesting photo.

On it.

This is a recreation but it was from what was there anyways.

They believe it was a tomb of Noah's wife because right here her head is kind of hanging down

so anyway that's the belief.

There.

There are also many ancient relics that one would expect to find at a site

venerated for thousands of years here this looks like it is.

Maybe some believe that there's three layers here which were the three layers of the Ark someone claimed.

Here you have some Crusader markings on a stone but what's unique is there are eight crosses here for

Noah and his family which were eight in total and you have some carvings.

This is Crusader.

Here.

Here are some writings from.

I believe these are Turkish or UR2 or something dating way back.

Some say they're not decipherable others say that they are.

I don't know I don't speak that language you know.

Here's another stone with just different carvings on it.

Just a.

Unique shape here just things that are just old and ancient

at this place.

And then there are a number of historical supposedly

eyewitness accounts that claim that they had seen the Ark or it could be seen.

Josephus Labius Josephus is one who was a contemporary of Christ during that period

shortly after who claims that the Ark could be seen.

And so that's one one reason just one small reason that would lead me to believe that

the Drubanar site is a better candidate than on top of Mount Ararat because Mount Ararat.

It's.

The claim is that the Ark has been kind of in a glacier and it can be seen on rare occasion.

These people all say it could be seen anyway.

Here's the Mount Ararat.

It's a massive.

It's over 17 ,000 feet high and you can see it here.

And if we have time we can revisit.

And I can tell you some reasons I think are very credible.

Why it doesn't seem like the Ark being on top of the mountain up here is

really a good candidate.

I'll leave it at that so when we're done we can do that.

Okay so now we're going to move into our Sodom and Gomorrah talk once

again.

I know that these are big subjects that we could spend much time on but we're just kind of

reducing these down and we'll give you guys some Q &A at the end.

So Sodom and Gomorrah.

The story begins with God telling Abraham that he's going to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah because of their

wickedness.

So it says in Genesis 18.

And the Lord said the outcry of Sodom and Gomorrah is indeed great and their sin

is not just a little bit.

It is exceedingly great.

That means it's serious.

Huge.

I will go down now and see if they have done entirely according to its outcry which has come to me and if not I will know.

God already knows but he's just speaking here in the sense of language we can understand.

So then during a dialogue between Abraham and God Abraham pleaded with God to spare the cities on

account of the righteous ones living in them.

So Abraham's looking at this from a justice standpoint and God says okay I'm a just God.

If there are ten winds down he starts off with many winds down to ten says if

there's just ten I won't destroy the city.

Now what's interesting is that in this Dead Sea Valley this Dead Sea

region scripture says that it was watered like the garden of the Lord.

That's why Lot shows it.

And there were millions of people that lived in this valley.

It was they had found 500 ,000 graves mass graves there.

So it was it was very very populated.

And so the fact that they couldn't find ten righteous people out of these hundreds and hundreds of

thousands speaks of just how extreme they were.

So it says in Genesis 13 13 now the men of Sodom were wicked once again exceedingly and

sinners against the Lord.

And so now we're going to see.

We're going to read this because I think it's important.

The wickedness of Sodom and Gomorrah revealed.

So why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah.

Well he says it's because of their great wickedness.

Now let's see in detail what that entails.

So in Genesis 19 we pick up the story.

It says now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening and they were angels that met with

Abraham and Lot was sitting at the gate of Sodom.

When Lot saw them he rose to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground and he said now behold my lords

please turn aside into your servants house and spend the night and wash your feet.

Then you may rise and then you may rise and go on your way.

Rise early and go on your way.

They said however no but we shall spend the night in the square.

So in those times people would that would travel would come to a square and it was the obligation

of the townspeople to take them in for the night.

They didn't necessarily have hotels like we did today.

The hotels were other people's houses and they would put them up feed them and things like that.

So.

So they said.

No but.

The angel said no we'll just spend the night in square yet.

He urged them strongly to strongly so they turned aside to him and entered

into his house and he prepared a feast for them and baked bread and they ate.

So.

This is Lot who invites these angels in to the square says hey it's dangerous there don't I'll

feed and take care of you.

Okay.

So he does.

Verse four.

But before they lay down the men of the city the men of Sodom surrounded the house both young and old

all the.

People.

They called to Lot and said to him where are the men who came to you

tonight.

Now.

These angels were in the appeared in the form of men so they didn't know that they were angels.

Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them.

Okay.

So I think we can all understand that.

What kind of relations.

Sexual relations with them.

So men with men.

But Lot went out to them at the doorway and shut the door behind him and said please my brothers

do not act wickedly.

So this sexual relation was wickedly.

Lot recognized that.

Now behold I have two daughters who have not had relations with men with man.

Please let me bring them out to you and do to them whatever you like.

Only do nothing to these men in as much as they have come under the shelter of my roof.

We could spend an hour on that passage right there.

Why Lot did that to me is just utterly foolish.

But anyway he did it.

But they said stand aside.

Furthermore they said this one came in as an alien.

So now we have the townspeople speaking these men to say stand aside.

So they're getting bold.

Furthermore they said this man came in as an alien and already he is acting like a judge.

Now we now we will treat you worse than them.

So they pressed hard against Lot and came near to break the door.

But the men the two angels.

The two angels.

I'm an icon this down.

I can't see exactly what it says because my the boxes are covering but the two angels

said something what they say.

Reached out and okay.

Okay yeah I got.

I need to see if I'm going to icon this down there I go.

Okay now I can see.

Okay reached out their hands and brought Lot and they call Lot and said to him.

No okay so into the house with them.

So back up right here.

But the two but the men these two angels reached out their hands and brought Lot into the

house with them.

And.

Shut the door they struck the men who were at the doorway of the house with blindness both small and great

so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

So these angels executed judgment on the spot here to

some degree.

Okay.

So then God warns Lot and his family to flee and get out to save their lives says in Genesis 19

12.

And the two men said to Lot whom else have you have here.

A son -in -law.

And your sons and your daughters and whomever you have in the city bring them out of the place where we are going to destroy this

about to destroy this place because their outcry has become so great before the Lord that

the Lord has sent us to destroy it.

Now I'll just say here is a footnet footnote.

I think the text is really obvious.

What the big reason is is why God's going to destroy these towns.

Not only are they extremely wicked but one of the manifestations of that that's being brought to light here

is homosexuality.

That is what is standing out and glaring at us in the text here.

So we'll see about that a little bit later.

So then God destroys Sodom and Gomorrah.

So Genesis 19 23 it says.

So I should mention fill in the story a little bit.

So we know that Lot it just is you know he's just not

wanting to go.

He has no sense of urgency.

So finally the angels have to just grab him and drag him out.

Basically tell them not to look back.

His wife looks back and she becomes a pillar of salt.

We'll see that right here.

So it says the sun had risen over the earth when Lot came to Zor, Zor is located south of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Then the Lord rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord.

Now brimstone is the old fashioned word for sulfur out of

heaven.

And he overthrew these cities and all the valley and all the inhabitants of the cities and what grew on the ground.

But his wife from behind him looked back and she became a pillar of salt.

Now Abraham arose early in the morning and went out to the place where he had stood before the Lord.

So Abraham was up on top of the plateau that overlooks the

valley the dead the Dead Sea Valley.

So the geology is it rises steeply up and so Abraham was able to look down and see

this.

And he looked down towards Sodom and Gomorrah and toward all the land of the valley.

He saw and behold the smoke of the land ascended like the smoke of a furnace.

Thus it came about when God destroyed the cities of the valley

that God remembered Abraham and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow and he overthrew the cities

in which Lot lived.

So what you have is this raining down of fire and brimstone upon this whole

valley.

It wasn't just upon Sodom and Gomorrah.

There were five cities in the valley.

I'm going to show you a map of that shortly where in God rained down this fire and these I

will talk about it but these remains of this sulfur this brimstone is found

all over in these five cities to this day.

In fact we just got back from Jerusalem and I found one ball that I'm going to show you so

there were a total of five cities that were destroyed Sodom, Gomorrah, Zorah, Adam and Zebulun.

And this is where they are located.

And you can.

See what's interesting is that the geology the lay of the land the

type of soil if we can call it that is very unique in each of these places.

The soil is just very different than other places around the area

so there's also some eyewitness accounts of.

Of.

Sodom and Gomorrah their location, Josephus said he could see it in his day and as I mentioned

archaeologists have discovered around 500 bodies and graves around Sodom and Gomorrah and there are a lot of

these brimstone.

Old fire, old name for sulfur balls in these cities.

Now this sulfur is unique to any other sulfur around the world it's around 90 -95

pure, other sulfur is more green, it's found in mine, it runs

about 45 -50

This.

Is white, it's like pumice it runs 90 -95 %.

Pure sulfur.

In fact you can light it on fire and it burns a blue flame and it's only found in

these cities and not in between.

So here you can see a little bit of one burning here.

Here's some of these sulfur balls.

Um.

So.

Also I guess I'll just show you real quick if you would like.

Um.

I'll bring this back up so I can.

Okay I'm not seeing myself anyway.

I think you guys can see me fine anyway.

Can you see this?

I see a handful of brimstone.

Okay so is the camera not on me?

Can you see.

Me?

It will depend on how people have their.

Own screen.

Okay well anyway.

Okay so people aren't, that's fine.

So then later if you want to put the camera on me I can show you one.

I found, they're basically the same so it's not necessary.

Okay.

So there's also a lot of ash in these areas as well which fits the biblical narrative it

says in 2 Peter 2 .6.

And if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes having made them an

example to those who would live ungodly lives thereafter.

So there's just a large amount of ash charcoal and calcium sulfate in these areas which

reveal if there was just overwhelming heat.

Here.

And should be mentioned if there's no geothermal activity which means volcanoes or anything like that that would

cause this ash charcoal and this calcium sulfate so very very

interesting.

Here's one of the sulfur balls.

So also in addition to these other evidences there's just a lot of unique shapes

in these areas.

They're just unique like this over here looks like a sphinx.

This over here looks like a pyramid.

So there's just different buildings that just look just unique, you can see the color

of the ground is different than other places around it.

These structures they just seem to have like corners.

And I don't know.

They're 4 ,000 years old, it says they were reduced to ashes.

They just look unique and all these sulfur balls the only way I can explain it.

Others would disagree and say that there's other places but I'm not a hard and fast on this.

I wouldn't pound any stakes or die on any hill for this but it's just unique.

I'll just say that they're just all these cities are very unique and they're the only places where you're going to find these sulfur balls.

Once again you can see some of these shapes.

So we'll wrap up this right here and then we'll go into our Q &A.

We're going to have just a little bit of application here though.

What we find with Sodom and Gomorrah and what we find with Noah and the Ark

if they're repeatedly used throughout Scripture as warnings of

judgment to come.

Judgment is an unpopular topic.

We don't like it sometimes we wrestle with God's justice.

We want to frame God as just a loving God who just kind of winks at everything.

But God is also a just God.

And so we see that everyone will give an account.

They will stand before God.

They will give an account.

And so we see that the Ark Noah's Ark that event the Great Flood and

Sodom and Gomorrah are used more than any other examples as judgments to

come.

So if judgment already happened what would lead me to believe that

what's prophesied to happen is not going to happen.

I would be a fool if I can say it that way to think that God

what he did say happened.

But now what he does say is not going to happen.

That would that would be irresponsible.

So we see Moses use it where the prophets used it.

We see that Jesus used Sodom and Gomorrah as examples of judgment on the ungodly.

We'll just read Luke 17 28 here it says it was the same as happened in the days

of.

Lot.

I've got stuff covering I can't quite see.

That.

Okay Lot they were eating they were drinking they were buying they were selling they were planting and they were building.

But on the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and

destroyed them all.

It will be just the same on the day that the son of man is revealed.

So there's a sense of which everyone's just eating and drinking.

Everything's fine no worries.

Also says that about the flood that they were married giving in marriage marriage everything's fine

no worries.

Even though they've been preached to even though Jesus warns we're not worried about it because we just don't think it's going to happen.

Very foolish.

The apostles also used it as examples of God's judgment on the ungodly.

In Jude 1 5 through 7 it says.

Now I want to remind you although you once fully knew it that

Jesus who saved a people out of the land of Egypt.

Isn't that interesting that Jesus who saved a people out of the land of Egypt afterward destroyed those

who did not believe.

And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority.

Talking about falling angels but left their proper dwelling he has kept in eternal change under gloomy

darkness until the judgment of the great day just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities.

That's why we know it was more than just Sodom and Gomorrah which likewise indulged in what

sexual immorality.

Not in not having a lack of hospitality as some would claim today.

Very clear here why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.

They indulged in sexual immorality and pursued what kind of desire unnatural.

That means men with men women with women pursued unnatural desire.

So very clear why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.

So they serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

So the apostles used it.

But interesting here Jesus was the one who led him out of Egypt and he's the one who destroyed those who didn't believe.

Jesus is God.

We would all agree upon that.

So we see repeatedly throughout scripture talking about the judgment of Sodom and Gomorrah that the sin of

homosexuality is highlighted as the main wickedness for which God destroyed them.

Some who defend homosexuality claim that God destroyed them because of their lack of hospitality.

Right here put this together fast now I'll just say

this.

We we love the sinner but we do not embrace

their sin.

God loves homosexual homosexuals.

We love homosexuals but we don't endorse their sin their activity

according to God according to his word homosexuality is a sin.

It's not what God desires he's desired sex to be between a married man and a woman.

So.

We already read this right here but I just want to highlight it here because of sexual immorality.

So God also interesting uses the same imagery of this fire and

brimstone in the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah as for what hell will be like.

So it's a picture.

So in Revelation 2010 it says that.

And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone brimstone once again a

sulfur where the beast and the false prophet are also and they will be tormented day and night

forever and ever.

So there we go.

So that concludes our talk about these two sites

here.

So I am now more than happy to answer any questions I can to the

best of my ability.

Oh that was go ahead.

Terry well I was just going to say great because we have some questions so Robin did

you want to comment first.

Oh I just wanted to say that was really good and I didn't even think about this coinciding with

coinciding with June and that June friend June but the month of

yes this month yeah.

Timely.

Timely yes it was very timely message so I like that very much.

Now I'm kind of torn between you stopping your presentation because there are some pictures I want to look

back at but I also want to see your your brimstone ball.

Why don't we.

Do a couple of questions first so that you can we can look at those slides and then we'll turn off his slideshow.

So that okay.

Okay.

Well so Robin.

Robin wondered if you could go back in your slideshow to where you have a picture of the two mountains.

Oh.

Yes.

Okay.

That was an amazing picture and I could see that more than them trying to come down

off of the yes back a little bit yet that that's that mountain.

Yeah.

And then where is that one where it had the visitor center.

Oh you didn't see that.

I didn't see those.

Pictures interest these right here.

Okay that one I remember it was the visitor center and it

had the two mountains in the.

Back.

Yeah okay great.

I'll go to that here.

And this I saw.

I saw your presentation on YouTube.

Okay and it made a lot more sense if this picture right here

rather than trying to come down off of that big mountain and where

is the arc in here now or the.

Alleged arc be down below this.

Sorry for not having a better picture of that but it's just.

Can you see my cursor.

Yes.

Uh -huh.

Okay so it would be moving down here.

So it's just down in the valley just a short.

Ways.

Okay but it's not actually in the picture.

No not not in this picture.

Okay all right thank you.

Now let me if I if I may real quick you want me to address briefly why.

I.

Don't think that Mount Ararat is the best candidate.

Yes okay one.

It seems to be a recent volcano not recent in the last thousand years but it seems to be a post

flood volcano because they haven't found on that mountain any sediment.

Any.

Any like depository sediment from water anything like that.

They have found no sea fossils nothing like that of which around this area

here lower down they find tons of sea fossils sediment

from water so they find none of that on Mount Ararat.

That's one two is is that if it is true and I believe it is is that

the earth changed at the flood then you had the poles and the high

mountains instantaneously froze so that would mean that tree line

is here.

That means that their way up here that's where the alleged findings are is up here.

So that means that they're deposited on the top of a mountain that is harsh wherein they

have to rapidly get down or otherwise they're going to freeze to death.

There's no food up there anything like that so they have to rapidly get down.

Also there has been some alleged findings up there as far as like

petrified wood and stuff but it seems that those were fraudulent and that one guy that wrote a book

about it says I found.

The art.

That was placed up there then he went up there and got it brought it down those who knew him and then he to sell

his book anyway.

So it just doesn't seem logical to me that God would drop these

people and all these animals up on top of a harsh mountain where they've got to get down quick.

And I would assume that it's very likely that the art was used for a period for

housing for Noah and his family.

So anyway that's that's some of the reasons why it doesn't seem to me as a good candidate.

Yeah I've just never heard that before.

I've always heard that it was up on the mountain and people climbed up there so this is a very

very plausible explanation for Noah's Ark as opposed to it being

up on that huge mountain.

Yeah the evidence there's there's I'll just say this there's no

other site that has all of as much evidence as this

Drupan Ark area I should say because where the where the the shape of the ark this

object is is 30 or so miles away from some of these drogue stones so

it's the area that we're talking about but like I say the boat -shaped

object let's say we just dismiss that as a freak of nature.

Okay.

Let's say I just can see that these drogue stones and all these names and all this place being

venerated for all these years and their tradition and the locals I can say it's it's.

There's no other place that has as much evidence as this area so I think it's in the

mountains of area.

I mean if it's the biblical location it's within the parameters of the area.

So it's I just the way I say it is it's the best candidate.

I have.

A question and a comment.

I saw.

A documentary several years ago and I think it might have been about

this place and to me it really did make way more sense when I saw it

because they were talking about the the villages around there and their traditions and

their history of you know Noah and his

family living there and so.

I'm wondering if that was probably the same place that you're talking.

About yeah yeah I'm certain it is yeah because like I say all the name locations around there they're just really

connected to affiliated with the Ark.

Yeah wasn't there like a village that was kind of a variant of Noah's name even or.

Something right that.

Mosher Mosher which is.

Yeah that was.

I don't know who made the documentary it was many many years ago I saw it but it really impacted

me.

So this was.

This was good.

Thank you.

And then one of Robin's other questions was would Noah have had the ability to make those

rivets.

Oh absolutely.

I didn't put the text in there.

But.

Who was it.

Nimrod or whatever.

It says that he was skilled in all kind of metal workmanship.

So yes they had metal during those days and it was.

They were very skilled in it.

I could maybe pull that up.

If you go I'll see if I can find that text here.

Okay go ahead and ask away other questions if you

like.

While I'm looking for this text.

Okay.

Robin's next question is who would have carved the Tower of Babel would that have been Noah's family.

Maybe.

Maybe it could have been just someone after because the Tower of Babel

is going to happen you know not a lot not long not long after so it wouldn't have

been Moses or pardon me it wouldn't have been Noah because the Tower of Babel is after Noah

but it would have been some of Noah's descendants if that is indeed the Tower of Babel.

We don't know for certain but it certainly looks like it could be the Tower.

Of Babel.

But it would have been one of Noah's descendants down the line.

Oh yeah you said it was carved down the road stone so I was wondering you know I mean it did.

It happened some 200 years after Noah.

That particular one wasn't I don't believe was on a drug stone but even if it was

yeah it would have been it would have been one of Noah's descendants or it could have been.

I mean like you say that the the Tower of Babel isn't happening until chapter 11

I believe of Exodus right.

Um.

So I mean we're all Noah's descendants right.

But correct one of his recent ones.

Right right.

And then while you're still looking for that we have another question of how heavy are the drug.

Stones.

Oh man they're massive in size they're tons.

Well you here let me uh can you still see the uh just looking at me now or do you.

Can you see the slide presentation.

No we're the main.

The main screen right now is still your slides.

Okay great.

Well let me go up here and you'll be able to see these drug stones in relation to

the best one here right here so you can see that.

So it's as you know that that person is I think roughly about six foot tall.

So yeah they were they were big.

If they were used and now there before you had this picture there was look like there were several of them out.

There.

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

They found they found 30 of them some of them are broken.

The holes are like right here.

You see the holes broken on this one because they're ancient.

Because I'm wondering if they were going to be balanced.

We shouldn't they be some in similar size.

Okay so those were similar in size.

Yeah some some of.

These are just they're not drug stones.

Some of these out here they're just they're not drug stones.

They're just stones that they've stood up.

I believe that when there's a drug stone I

had those look like right here.

Yeah there.

You have a drug stone there.

Yeah a lot of.

Them are.

Similar.

It might be that they had them dispersed you know.

Different sizes.

A little bit different.

Yeah maybe bigger ones more centered.

Here's this verse if you want to hear it go ahead.

So Genesis 422 it says.

As for Zilla she also gave birth to two ball cane the

forger you know what a forger is right of all implements all implements

of bronze and iron.

So this is Genesis 422.

So yes.

The answer is yes.

Noah had access to.

Oh before the flood.

Okay yeah yeah.

Genesis 4 is before the flood sometime before the flood so you know sometimes we forget

there's 2000 years from the time of Noah to the flood is believed by many.

You know they lived a lot longer so skills could be fine tuned better knowledge could be passed

on better.

There's some believe that they were more astute their brains were

more more better capabilities than we have today

so they were sophisticated.

People.

Just following along along and I remember hearing Dr. Morris talking about that

before too.

How sophisticated that they probably were that we can't we don't know for sure but that's interesting

to think about.

Next question is when was Sodom and Gomorrah discovered in modern times and were people

living there.

There are a couple candidates for Sodom and Gomorrah.

One is on the north east side of the

Dead Sea.

Another one is on the south east side.

There have been on the south east side.

I have a colleague who believes that's the site.

You can find ash and stuff.

There you can find some blocks stuff like that stones.

So.

Those discoveries are happening mainly in from

like the 1950s on.

Those.

Discoveries.

The I have to confess the Sodom the location that I have proposed

these five cities that's more recent and they

really haven't been excavated is the truth.

I mean basically they're open.

You just have like you say you have these sulfur balls you have these distinct

type of topography or soil.

I was wondering about I mean that site's been there for like 2000 years nobody

ever thought hey what is this.

And in just since the 1950s people have been questioning hey what is this.

Or do you think that people knew what it was and they stayed away from it.

I I guess if I saw a place with a bunch of sulfur stones laying around. I would be.

Investigating.

Yeah yeah I don't know to be honest with you what what those people were thinking

it most people I mean I don't know if you've ever been to Masada but there's a

hundred thousand people or half million people that go to Masada every year and basically they're driving right

through the middle of Gomorrah which would is believed to be Gomorrah.

Oh wow.

Yeah a lot of people would say they're just just unique.

Shapes.

And that's what they would leave it at.

The sulfur balls are harder to explain.

Why do you have these unique sulfur balls.

And and I can say they're like pumice.

And we know that when volcanoes go off that there's different kinds of

products that are delivered or disseminated.

When we have hard lava rock we have pumice and stuff like that.

So these are.

And I say there's no there's been no volcanoes in that area.

So how you're going to explain these sulfur balls is I don't know how you do that

unless you just say it's just unique.

Yeah I don't know.

I guess part of it is.

We're talking 4000 years which is a long time scriptures very clear that God reduced these cities to ashes.

And this was this was.

No just partial destruction this was a total destruction and it appears

that the whole climate was changed as well because scriptures clear that when lot was there was

water was like the garden of the Lord was like the garden of Eden was well watered it was beautiful that's why it

was so richly inhabited.

Today there's no one that lives there virtually because it's just a barren wasteland where nothing will grow.

So it appears that he changed the climate and he just totally just

demolished thoroughly.

Well there's other places in scripture where it says it you know not nothing would even grow there so that's what you have.

So I guess coming back to the to the question is is why it hasn't this been you know

researched earlier than just recently is I guess people just thought it was just a

natural type of land just a wasteland.

And of course I don't want to rob more questions but briefly it's scripture speaks

very clearly that during the millennial reign and I believe it's a literal millennial reign

after the Christ comes back that the there will be a fountain of water that comes between the

Mount of Olives.

It says part will go to the Mediterranean Sea and part will go down to the Dead Sea and it says that people will fish

on Engedi which is one of the kind of a small city or small town

on the west side of the Dead Sea.

It's kind of an oasis right now but anyway it's going to be flourishing with with fish and it'll be.

Totally changed.

Well there's.

Our climate change.

Question.

Next question what has kept more extensive financed and academic excavation

and study like like National Geographic from taking place at this site.

I the question came in while you were talking about the tower.

That's what the question is referring to.

Do you expect research to increase.

At Sodom and Gomorrah.

I'm not sure maybe Todd and Tina asked this question.

Maybe you guys can clarify which site you were talking about.

They.

They posted the question while you were talking about the tower of Babel.

About the site of

the Ark.

Of the Ark.

Well there is a substantial renewed energy now in Noah's Ark the

Turkish.

Government.

There's other entities they are planning to do core drilling.

I didn't have it in my presentation you can see it online but a company from Bend

Oregon did a serious scan there a few years back.

Yeah there is renewed energy in that site.

The boat shape object.

So I would.

Yeah I would fully expect for substantial

studies or research to spring forth with over the next five ten years if that should.

The Lord Terry.

Yeah it's actively being pursued.

As we speak okay.

If you want.

Stop sharing your slideshow so that okay then people can see if you want to go ahead and show

show your sulfur.

Rocks okay.

Okay all right.

So let's see all right.

So I'm not okay.

So I stopped it for you.

So we.

Okay great.

Okay so can you see me then.

Yes okay so.

Here's it's not that big but I have a colleague who's found big ones the size of his hand.

Can you light it on fire.

I could.

But I don't want to I want to I want to keep.

It.

I'll tell you real briefly so we were there.

We spent seven weeks in Israel and we were seeing three or so sites.

Today we were just we're putting in the hours and going hard and so on that particular day we did

Masada I think we did getty and then we did Sodom and Gomorrah.

I wish we could have spent more time at Sodom or Gomorrah anyway.

So we were there probably for two hours and so we were walking around there and

I walked up this ravine and was doing some filming and stuff and I turned around on my

way back.

I said Lord I said wouldn't it be nice if you could allow me to find one of these silver

balls and.

I.

No more than I said this prayer.

I didn't close my eyes when I prayed.

I was just talking and looked down and bang saw this silver ball.

I said wow silver ball.

So I picked it up.

Was very careful with it.

It's pretty fragile I mean it.

I'm going to rub it a little if you saw that falling off.

Yeah.

Don't do it too much because it'll just disappear.

Right so but we'll be back over there and we'll get some more.

But yeah I wanted to keep it to display but I have colleagues that have lit them on fire

and yeah they I mean I could light a corner on fire I guess.

But anyway but yeah they burn just burn right up.

They just kind of burn into a liquid.

In fact if you look at our video you can see where we have one that kind of burns.

Up.

Yeah I saw that I saw that one.

Well it seems like maybe that's the end of our questions on Facebook we did get a comment from somebody

named.

Faye Fink.

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Great information son.

Okay.

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So if you like to go ahead and share how people can find you find your

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I want to.

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Maybe you can do it if you.

More.

I am just.

Hit your escape button and that'll take you out of the up in the escape key up in the left hand

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You can see what I'm doing right.

That's.

Where is that.

Where was that that lake.

That.

On your screensaver what are your.

That's that's the sea of Galilee that's what I have.

Is my screensaver.

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So all right.

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So I'm going to go to home here.

All right.

So this is our website holylandsite .com and we have

probably 125 to 30 sites that we have covered.

Okay so they're listed by area by Jerusalem.

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One is they're basically the same.

This is just a travel guide but this covers all of the sites and what is unique about it is it's

biblically based in that you can see at each site all the things that happen in the Bible from that place.

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Okay and we offer trips to Israel but yeah.

Holylandsite .com.

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You can.

See here's the Noah's Ark.

We have two videos at this point on the Noah's Ark.

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We've taken some of the Noah's Ark and broken them down into smaller videos that answer

specific questions.

But we have a lot of videos a lot a lot of videos.

Half of them.

Yeah oh bless your heart thank you and we will be doing a lot more.

I say my son is.

Is.

On board we both have very high powered computers and so we spend a lot

of time producing videos and I say we just got back from Israel.

We have a lot of content to do a lot more video so we're say God's really blessing the

this ministry and we're reaching a lot of people so we continue.

We have plans to continue on serving the Lord in this capacity.

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We thank you for pastor Todd and his ministry and we just ask for a blessing over his family and over

the work that he continues to do.

Thank you for the great findings that he's had so far for blessing him with the sulfur ball so that he could have that as

a resource.

And we just pray for more blessings like that in the days and weeks and years to come

as as you choose to Terry.

And we pray that pastor Todd's messages reach many people so that they can

learn about the truth of you and of your word and of the need to have a relationship

with you.

We know that you love us and that's our whole goal here is to be able to

share your love and your plan of salvation with as many people as we can.

So we thank you for this opportunity and we ask for a blessing over our friends for the week to come

until next time in Jesus.

Name amen alright.

So I'm going to stop recording and I'm going to.

Sign off.