The Roman Catholic Controversy Part 9

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The Roman Catholic Controversy Part 9 Date: June 18,, 2023 Teacher: Pastor Brian Garcia

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The Roman Catholic Controversy Part 10

The Roman Catholic Controversy Part 10

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So we left off kind of in the middle after just running a chapter.
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I really think the things we talk about here fill the time.
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So the next week we're going to go over chapter 8 quickly. This is late.
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Now just to recap where we've been. We're all in a kind of instant conversation on the merits of solus scriptura.
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Nowhere in the Bible are you going to find that phrase, solus scriptura. Is that problematic?
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Why not? Is it problematic?
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Well who would say that's a problem?
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Do you know what position that's held? People who deny any doctrine that's outside, that's not specifically spelled out in Scripture.
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It starts with B. A biblicist.
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Now a biblicist sounds kind of funny. It's like a publicist or something. A biblicist is someone who wrongly believes the notion that if it's not word for word spelled out in the
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Bible then you don't accept it. But the problem is that you're not going to find the word biblicist in the
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Bible either. And so just on the outward appearance and basis kind of falls flat immediately.
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But it's an interesting notion. Now Jehovah's Witnesses don't use that term for instance, a biblicist.
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Because they claim to a cure strictly to the Bible and they say that but they don't believe in anything that's not specifically spelled out in the
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Bible. So why do they believe in trading? Why do they don't believe in certain things? Because they don't believe in all those weird things like that Jesus returned and there's a good thing for me even though that's not spelled out in the
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Bible. But groups like Jehovah's Witnesses and others who are biblicists will say hey if it's not spelled out in Scripture then you shouldn't accept it.
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However thanks to our reformed background and our reformed tradition though,
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Scripture alone. Right? So we believe in the authority of Scripture alone.
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So when we talk about soul scripture I understand how we're framing that discussion. We're framing it in this way.
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Scripture alone is our final authority for all things related to faith practice.
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Which means that we don't have public councils which determine things that are extra biblical that are afforded at least in the same way that Scripture is.
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Scripture always expresses it over all other forms of tradition. Though we ourselves do adhere to certain traditions.
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We adhere to the 69 confession. That's a form of tradition. We do certain things in our liturgy that are a form of tradition.
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Maybe we're putting our tradition in our church maybe. Maybe in our liturgy. Remember what that word liturgy means? It's an order of service.
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Maybe we went up to a liturgy or some other tradition.
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It doesn't necessarily give us a positive demand to do what we've got to do.
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I'd say supply. There's no positive demand that we necessarily have to do what we've got to do. We have five
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Psalms. I find them every time.
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Less songs, more preaching. They keep saying more songs. I want less songs.
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If you don't like to sing it, that's fine. Making a joyful noise is important.
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There's no weird description as to if it's five songs or four songs or three songs or two songs. Have I heard correctly when
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I was a child that it's only the two songs? One beginning and one ending. We are seeking people.
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That's true. It's a form of tradition. There's no more Scripture for us than we have anywhere else in our liturgy or church without you seeing a tradition maybe.
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That is specifically called out Scripture. All the
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Epistles kind of close with some form of benediction. It's not a long -winded thing, but I guess there's no positive demand that you have to do.
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The whole service is a form of tradition. In the
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Scripture, it gives us... One of the things about the regular Epistle of Worship, which we're here to, is that there are positive commands that are kind of overarching.
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For instance, public reading of Scripture, prayer, spiritual salvation is, the positive commands that we're told to do, but we're not told to do in any certain order in particular.
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Sunday school started as a regular school for the minor's children in Welsh and developed into our
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Sunday school. There you go. It's another kind of tradition.
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The elements are there. So what are we talking about? Tradition in itself is not a draw of faith necessarily.
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Part of the Reformed tradition, in fact, dictates that we do certain things and include certain elements in our worship.
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But where do those traditions derive from? Where do they receive their source from?
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I would argue, of course, it would be the Scriptures. Like I just indicated to you, the positive commands of Scripture in regard to regular worship is things that we have to have these elements.
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But then there's tradition, which gives us flexibility on how we order and structure in such positive ways.
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So for instance, if we go to the 169 Baptist Church elsewhere in the country, it's going to be a little bit different.
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And what's unique about our church is that we have folks from different churches. We just had Kevin, who was here for several months working on a temporary assignment here.
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But his church in Texas is a Reformed 169 church too. And he was remarking to me how we're very similar, yet we do things a little bit differently.
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And that's to be expected when you have even very similar cultures of churches like we share with others.
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There should be some differences, right? Which is to show you, again, that there's a flexibility in the way in how we interpret the positive commands of regular worship.
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As long as you have these elements, that's what really matters. Everything else is tradition, how we order and structure such things.
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So we don't want an analogic reaction to tradition per se. We want to have it in its right place.
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There are bad traditions, like the altar call. Certainly, we can argue that there are lots of traditions that are not biblical that should be steered away from.
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Altar calls may be a concern with one of them, and I would agree with that. Although I would argue that there's probably a good way of doing it.
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But it's usually ignored, particularly amongst charismatic and Baptist circles.
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There are a lot of Baptists who do altar calls, for instance, especially in the SCC. And the emphasis is on resolve.
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And I've seen, and I've been a member of the SCC for seven years. I remember most pastors just want that number of ministers to be able to raise.
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We had 17 people who raised their hand in church and gave the heart to the Lord today. There's 25 people at the youth group that this would be.
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It's really no follow -up. There's no discipleship. 17 lives were recorded.
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And that's an institution of very little follow -up. It's an easy -to -leave -ism, and I think that makes a lot of Baptists.
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But I also don't think it's unbiblical to press someone to a decision. I think that we should be pressing people, as evangelists, preachers,
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Christians. We ought to be pressing, not trusting, but pressing for a decision before the
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